Post: #26

I think they weren't expecting "alphaness" or whatever you wanna call it from you since you befriended them for some time, and when you did, they instinctively tested if you were alpha or orbiter/beta/whatever. I would try to push or schedule another date, and if this happens again I'd drop them.

About your game, just follow the advices above: bang first, friendship second. In short, the traits that you need to work on are persistence and aloofness, but remember: persistence is key as long as it doesn't turn into neediness (basically, if you feel like you are "selling out" or becoming a "pussy beggar" it's time to stop pursuing), and aloofness is only useful when it makes a girl lust for you (ie. ignoring her constantly AND never making a move before bang can be bad but it can be good to ignore her post-bang); if you still wanna bang those girls you should try to schedule another date with them and act unapologetic about those "incidents" - you are a man who is following one of the prime directives of manhood: bang as much as possible. Why should you apologize for being a man to them?

Post: #27

(09-09-2013 12:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  You're not touching girls.

I think this is important, and where I foul up.

If I understand him correctly, Roosh means touching them early enough to establish initially -- with her body, so her body knows--that you are a sexual male-- differentiating you from the mass of guys she deals with in the sterilized, sexless world of rich countries.

To contrast, I watched a video of GG Allin, a punk rock musician who died about 20 years ago. He was aggressively crazy, playing gigs naked, spreading feces on himself. To highlight how powerful fame is, his music was really mundane and boring punk as well. He wasn't real good looking. All he had was true don't-give-a-fuck balls.

There is a video of him the day he overdosed and died and he's walking around Manhattan with people following him around after a chaotic gig.

At first he's strutting around downtown Manhattan buck naked causing a stir, then the cops come and he hides in a doorway putting on some shorts. He's really was a fucking wildman. He said he wanted to make rock dangerous again.

He's not ripped, he's very dirty looking, but very pretty 8s seem to want to talk to him

With each one, I noticed as soon as she would approach him, he would do the common gesture where he raises his hand toward her at waist level and gently holds her forearm in her hand. Within 1 second.

He had a sort of small-scale negative fame-- would fight with members of the audience who were mostly guys-- but he would indicate his interest in women right away. Touching early also shows you're not scared of them.

Post: #28

GG Allin lol, link to the vid?

Post: #29

Touching early on is hugely important.

Some interesting studies show that someone who touches gets more compliance, is more likely to be liked, and being touched by a man raises a woman's heartbeat, while being touched by a woman doesn't.

By touching a woman, a guy can immediately set himself apart from the great mass of guys who won't touch a woman he doesn't know well and who he feels hasn't given him permission

I had to train myself to overcome this, but now I touch a women right away in a night approach by tapping her or putting my hand on her forearm and continue from there.


I also suspect the OP isn't giving off a sexual vibe. By that I don't mean talking explicitly about sex- I mean looking at a woman and talking to her in such a way that she knows you're thinking about fucking her. Woman are very good at picking up on this or on its absence

Post: #30

(09-09-2013 04:07 PM)MrXY Wrote:  Touching early on is hugely important.

Some interesting studies show that someone who touches gets more compliance, is more likely to be liked, and being touched by a man raises a woman's heartbeat, while being touched by a woman doesn't.

By touching a woman, a guy can immediately set himself apart from the great mass of guys who won't touch a woman he doesn't know well and who he feels hasn't given him permission

I had to train myself to overcome this, but now I touch a women right away in a night approach by tapping her or putting my hand on her forearm and continue from there.

But what do you do when you initiate a conversation with touching and then, when you end up not escalating quickly enough or when you don't build attractive fast enough, you're suddenly stuck with the same level of light touching?

It's like you're stuck on the escalation ladder. Sometimes when I'm feeling off and am just in a too sober, serious, non-playful frame of mind I end up in this position. I've touched her shoulder, arm, or back, but because things aren't moving fast enough, it feels like things are going backwards. And usually they are.

I suppose I'm just describing a 20 minute set to nowhere, except in terms of touching.

Post: #31

(09-09-2013 04:40 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 04:07 PM)MrXY Wrote:  Touching early on is hugely important.

Some interesting studies show that someone who touches gets more compliance, is more likely to be liked, and being touched by a man raises a woman's heartbeat, while being touched by a woman doesn't.

By touching a woman, a guy can immediately set himself apart from the great mass of guys who won't touch a woman he doesn't know well and who he feels hasn't given him permission

I had to train myself to overcome this, but now I touch a women right away in a night approach by tapping her or putting my hand on her forearm and continue from there.

But what do you do when you initiate a conversation with touching and then, when you end up not escalating quickly enough or when you don't build attractive fast enough, you're suddenly stuck with the same level of light touching?

It's like you're stuck on the escalation ladder. Sometimes when I'm feeling off and am just in a too sober, serious, non-playful frame of mind I end up in this position. I've touched her shoulder, arm, or back, but because things aren't moving fast enough, it feels like things are going backwards. And usually they are.

I suppose I'm just describing a 20 minute set to nowhere, except in terms of touching.

Sure -that's going to happen frequently.

Even if you don't get blown out, plenty of approaches just don't take off for a variety of reasons-sometimes your game wasn't tight but other times it's factors beyond your control. Better screening will give you a higher success ratio, though you might get fewer total notches than an approach machine guy.

I calibrate my kino to how the attraction is proceeding-I try to keep it just slightly ahead- I want to feel like I'm being a little aggressive but not too much.