Post: #1

Long-time lurker. Have good experience with girls but I've been noticing that I get a lot of "good girls" rejecting/flaking on me because they think I'm a player or too physical/sexual.


For example, I get a lot of scenarios that play out like this:

At a bar/club, see girl giving me eye contact, so I approach. We talk for a bit and after 5-10 minutes, I start to get physical. Start with touching, rubbing arms, then kiss them and make out. After making out for a bit, bring them to a spot where we can sit, we kiss a bit more, touch her body, etc. At this point, she is pretty riled up so I try to bounce her out of there and this is what ends up happening:

She tells me she is not a hook up type of girl or that she is not into having sex with random guys. I tell her that's cool, ow about we hang out during the week and grab something to eat. She says that sounds good. We make out more and I try to escalate again but it usually goes nowhere. After the night ends, I usually get flaked on by these girls or they don't ever respond to my texts despite the physical attraction being there. Anyone else have experience with good girls and these kind of situations? This always happens with the more conservative cute girls and rarely with the slutty types.

Post: #2

Push-Pull Method: 2 steps forward, 1 step back.

Learn how to dial up the sexual tension, then back off and let her chase. Then dial up again, then lean back to the point she's begging for you to take her clothes off.

Post: #3

My experience is if you move fast unless she is willing to sleep with you that night most will flake. Like CMQ said my success is when I know I have built the tension long enough that it is 100% in the bag meaning her body language says it, or many times she suggests or even demands we are having sex that night.

Only time I have success with night girls where I don't get laid that night and them not flaking to meet up later is if it is a slow burn interaction 1hr+ where the girl is not drunk at all and there is little physical escalation, meaning we had a deeper conversation and got to know each other almost like a first date.

Making heavy moves quickly with a drunk girl that won't leave with you is just flake territory in my experience. No man's land. I am sure other posters have different experiences.

Post: #4

(07-12-2014 07:51 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  Push-Pull Method: 2 steps forward, 1 step back.

Learn how to dial up the sexual tension, then back off and let her chase. Then dial up again, then lean back to the point she's begging for you to take her clothes off.

You have to learn how to pull away from a kiss moments before they do.

If you wait to long she will pull away and it makes you look like a needy horny tool.

If you do it too soon, it makes you look scared.

One sign that she's about to pull away is that she'll start smiling. Trust me, that's not a smile of happiness.. it's slut-anxiety defense kicking in.

Ideally you want to pull away right before she starts smiling.

Post: #5

(07-12-2014 07:48 PM)Newbietdot Wrote:  After making out for a bit, bring them to a spot where we can sit, we kiss a bit more, touch her body, etc. At this point, she is pretty riled up so I try to bounce her out of there and this is what ends up happening:

So she's ok with hooking up in public and her friends don't do anything to "save her".
Attention whore.

(07-12-2014 07:48 PM)Newbietdot Wrote:  She tells me she is not a hook up type of girl or that she is not into having sex with random guys. I tell her that's cool, ow about we hang out during the week and grab something to eat.

She controls the frame and you buy into it and offer dinner. Wrong move. You should have got up and said "I don't have time for this little girl shit".

(07-12-2014 07:48 PM)Newbietdot Wrote:  This always happens with the more conservative cute girls and rarely with the slutty types.

Your perception of women is off. All girls are slutty when no one is watching.

Post: #6

(07-12-2014 08:11 PM)soup Wrote:  You have to learn how to pull away from a kiss moments before they do.

If you wait to long she will pull away and it makes you look like a needy horny tool.

If you do it too soon, it makes you look scared.

One sign that she's about to pull away is that she'll start smiling. Trust me, that's not a smile of happiness.. it's slut-anxiety defense kicking in.

Ideally you want to pull away right before she starts smiling.

My experience exactly. You know you pulled away from a makeout at the right time when you stop and she does a closed-eye expression like a fat kid that just had a bite of the best food ever and she wants more. Meanwhile you relax and take a drag or sip and act like it's no big thing. Her body language is pointed at you anxiously waiting. She many times even preens herself and improves her posture as she is getting horny and ready for sex.

Always end on a high note.

Post: #7

(07-12-2014 07:48 PM)Newbietdot Wrote:  She tells me she is not a hook up type of girl or that she is not into having sex with random guys.

Translation: "I don't want you to think I'm easy." Despite making out with you within 10 minutes of meeting you.

If she tries to qualify herself as not being 'that type of girl', you're doing it right. She thinks you're high enough value that she doesn't want you writing her off as a slut. You're just blowing your response by taking her seriously and backing down.

There are no good girls. Get that out of your head. Every good girl is a bad girl who just hasn't met the guy who pushes her buttons enough to degrade herself to extremes attempting to win his approval.

Post: #8

The collective has spoken

WIA

Post: #9

You don't check girl's availability before trying to pull. More.. /thread-24453-...#pid460756

Post: #10

(07-13-2014 05:38 AM)XXL Wrote:  You don't check girl's availability before trying to pull. More.. /thread-24453-...#pid460756

i suppose that the pattern is.. you talk to a girl. she's receptive so it looks like it's going 'well'. but in fact she's classic yellow light: unavailable girl who still enjoys your game a lot and prolongs the "no" as much as she can to keep the fun alive until you cross her personal line and bye bye. don't get fooled by those good reactions. find out what's what.