Post: #26

You unnecessarily antagonized her twice, slut-shaming her when you don't know how desperate she was for money in her past or why she's a hooker, and then when you already knew there was serious conflict happening, giving her the finger when you thought you were free. You mostly brought this on yourself

Post: #27

Wow, a textbook example of what NOT to do in a poor Asian country. At least this serves as a warning to others.

First of all, I really don't understand why you would act all drama with the hooker girl? You laid her for free first and then you suddenly decide that she is not worthy of you when you find out she is a hooker? Why in the world would you not just be friendly with her and leave it at that? No one would ask you to carry on a relationship with ther. Hell hath no fury like a hooker scorned.

Second of all, big mistake in getting all angry and stuff. Why didn't you just give her a bit of money and keep calm. Problem solved right there.

Third, don't stay in dodgy hostels with no security.

Post: #28

If it's not true it's a crazy story and if it is true it's a crazy story.

Entertaining nevertheless.

From personal experience I've always found it best to diffuse any type of altercation with a woman in public and disappear.

In this day and age, regardless of where you're at, the public will take the woman's side first.

Post: #29

(09-04-2013 09:16 PM)20Nation Wrote:  I'm on the skeptical side too. I spent about 3 weeks in Phnom Penh, and I just find it hard to see all this going down. She's a prostitute she gets rejected for a living. Why would she put in all that work to find one of the 5-10 guys that rejected her that night?

I'm not entirely sure. But I'm looking at my phone now; I still have the texts from that night.

The first two texts she sent me after discovering my disappearance were:

"I'm crying now" and "Why come back honey I'm sorry"

Maybe she just got attached to me for some strange reason? I can only speculate; There aren't many tourists there who go to a club in PP dressed in a white shirt, black tie, shirt suspenders and Mystery-style guy-liner. Maybe I just seemed unique or something? Or maybe I seemed wealthy? The latter is probably more unlikely due to me staying in a hostel.

But this is purely just speculation, there's no real reason why a prostitute would become so attached to one guy when her profession has made her so 'de-conditioned'.

I think her initial motivation for chasing me was to try and get me to go back with her again that night. Even after I head-butted the wooden panel she said "You're drunk, just come back and we can talk". It genuinely sounded like she was being sincere and this wasn't just to find a quiet place to cut my cock off, though I could be wrong. It seemed like she didn't like that I was rejecting her and that's when she got frustrated.

For majority of the time it seemed like she was trying to get me to change my mind about her. Maybe a completely amplified example of showing disinterest in a girl and consequently making her more interested? I don't know.

But yeah, I slut-shamed her so it was probably much more about saving face. Either way, it was my fault.

Also in response to a few comments; I offered money on several occasions. I probably should have included this in the original post. I offered money when she caught me after the second motorcycle came. In addition, when we were outside the bar, I offered 100 dollars, which is probably a lot of money to her. I just wanted the situation to be over, but she didn't want it. Maybe this suggests that she wasn't just interested in money?

Again, I have no idea. My motivations for replying are to try and give as much information as I can about this situation, in the name of accuracy.

Post: #30

(09-05-2013 01:13 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 09:16 PM)20Nation Wrote:  I'm on the skeptical side too. I spent about 3 weeks in Phnom Penh, and I just find it hard to see all this going down. She's a prostitute she gets rejected for a living. Why would she put in all that work to find one of the 5-10 guys that rejected her that night?

I'm not entirely sure. But I'm looking at my phone now; I still have the texts from that night.

The first two texts she sent me after discovering my disappearance were:

"I'm crying now" and "Why come back honey I'm sorry"

Maybe she just got attached to me for some strange reason? I can only speculate; There aren't many tourists there who go to a club in PP dressed in a white shirt, black tie, shirt suspenders and Mystery-style guy-liner. Maybe I just seemed unique or something? Or maybe I seemed wealthy? The latter is probably more unlikely due to me staying in a hostel.

But this is purely just speculation, there's no real reason why a prostitute would become so attached to one guy when her profession has made her so 'de-conditioned'.

I think her initial motivation for chasing me was to try and get me to go back with her again that night. Even after I head-butted the wooden panel she said "You're drunk, just come back and we can talk". It genuinely sounded like she was being sincere and this wasn't just to find a quiet place to cut my cock off, though I could be wrong. It seemed like she didn't like that I was rejecting her and that's when she got frustrated.

For majority of the time it seemed like she was trying to get me to change my mind about her. Maybe a completely amplified example of showing disinterest in a girl and consequently making her more interested? I don't know.

But yeah, I slut-shamed her so it was probably much more about saving face. Either way, it was my fault.

Also in response to a few comments; I offered money on several occasions. I probably should have included this in the original post. I offered money when she caught me after the second motorcycle came. In addition, when we were outside the bar, I offered 100 dollars, which is probably a lot of money to her. I just wanted the situation to be over, but she didn't want it. Maybe this suggests that she wasn't just interested in money?

Again, I have no idea. My motivations for replying are to try and give as much information as I can about this situation, in the name of accuracy.

First of all I do believe you completely.

And I think when you get people mad in South East Asia, they are just mad full stop. They aren't going to stop and you are not going to be able to calm the situation down. They won't go away and to be honest I think after a while they even forget themselves why they are so mad and what they actually want.

Post: #31

(09-05-2013 01:13 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 09:16 PM)20Nation Wrote:  I'm on the skeptical side too. I spent about 3 weeks in Phnom Penh, and I just find it hard to see all this going down. She's a prostitute she gets rejected for a living. Why would she put in all that work to find one of the 5-10 guys that rejected her that night?

I'm not entirely sure. But I'm looking at my phone now; I still have the texts from that night.

The first two texts she sent me after discovering my disappearance were:

"I'm crying now" and "Why come back honey I'm sorry"

Maybe she just got attached to me for some strange reason? I can only speculate; There aren't many tourists there who go to a club in PP dressed in a white shirt, black tie, shirt suspenders and Mystery-style guy-liner. Maybe I just seemed unique or something? Or maybe I seemed wealthy? The latter is probably more unlikely due to me staying in a hostel.

Not uncommon for hookers to get hooked on guys that bang them out here, believe it or not. Or especially regular girls for that matter. Those texts look extremely familiar to me - and I imagine many others who've come out this direction.

Anyways, Bro, I wouldn't put too much effort into trying to make sense of it or convince everyone. We all make mistakes in Southeast Asia and we all get caught up in a crazy situation from time to time. Live and learn.

None of us are perfect when boozing, that's for sure. Certainly not me.

Quote: In addition, when we were outside the bar, I offered 100 dollars, which is probably a lot of money to her.

She even turned down the hundo? Cool...

Do you still have her phone number, by chance?

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #32

[/quote]Do you still have her phone number, by chance?

Quote:Dude, if you followed up on this it would be hilarious. Ask her why she so mad. I bet it's something stupid like she was trying to return his watch.

Post: #33

I mostly believe this story.

Dont have much sympathy though. Slut-shaming a third world girl that banged you for free when she tries to make some money.

Karma is a bitch huh?

Post: #34

You are lucky you did not get your ass kicked.

I feel bad for these girls mainly because there are zero options
for most of them in these countries.

Agree with the other poster...shaming her was ridiculous.

Be the bigger man.

Post: #35

I always have a lot of sympathy for these girls. Maybe it's beta, but I'll give them the equivalent of $10 or $20 even though I'm not going to bang them.

It goes back to that quote attributed to Plato about being kind to people, because everyone's in a hard struggle.

Post: #36

(09-06-2013 02:47 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  I always have a lot of sympathy for these girls. Maybe it's beta, but I'll give them the equivalent of $10 or $20 even though I'm not going to bang them.

I understood you until the end. Can you clarify? You give prostitutes cash even if you're not having sex with them? What do you mean by that?

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass here; I actually am asking for clarification. You could go broke out here pretty quick if you walked around giving cash to everyone who "needed it."

On another note, for a lot of us, shoring isn't about wanting to stiff a hooker for $30. For me anyhow, it's about not wanting to sleep with women who don't actually want to sleep with me. Maybe I'm the beta, but I just don't enjoy banging women unless I turn them on too, and I don't want any woman to feel she needs to sleep with me to get cash in her pocket. Just robs the whole situation of sexual energy for me.

On top of that, when a suspected freelancer says no charge and then wakes up asking for money, she's essentially just scammed you. It's my opinion that playing along with that encourages these women to continue targeting clueless foreigners.

So I set rules and try to stick with them to avoid the issue completely. I could just pay and convince myself they were into me, but that seems like a slippery slope into just becoming a whoremonger and lying to myself. Like guys who always give "taxi money" in the morning, ignoring the fact that taxis don't cost $30 out here.

I don't actively target hookers, but if it's there on a platter, I'm not going to judge - if she likes me, I'll hit. And of course, over the years, the ease of it all has led me to wandering over to that side of town a little to often for shoring purposes, but that's usually the alcohol acting, as it tends to happen late night when other options are exhausted. I have realized over the years that this open-mindedness is becoming a bit risky.

Now, if you're saying you give $20 - $30 to non-hookers, I also find that pretty confusing. Most mainstream women would be extremely offended if you woke up in the morning and handed them cash, even if they're poor. Many will insist on splitting bills just to show you they're not that type of girl.

One last note - I think it's important to point out that having too much sympathy for Southeast Asian bargirls is not always a good idea. Many of the ones (in Thailand at least) do what they do because they like the lifestyle - not because they don't have other options (regardless of their well-crafted stories). They do it for the fun, because it's easy money, and because it's exciting. Some start because they see it as a path to landing a wealthy sap to support them, and then they get hooked on the nice clothes, smartphones, and 24/7 partying.

Try to give a bargirl a steady income with no sexual strings attached and I can almost guarantee if you show up to surprise her she'll still be working the bars while lying to you and saying she's not. Hence a lot of the horror stories from broken-hearted guys who come out here trying to save women.

It's essentially about materialism and habit. I mean they could always get a job at the 7/11 - sure, it's not glamorous, but it's enough to get by and preserve dignity. This may sound like hypberbole but there's a lot of truth to this reality of the industry, as much as the feminist crusaders and the bargirls themselves would have us believe otherwise.

Are these really the type of choices we should feel an obligation to support?

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #37

You should have just headbutted one of the dudes talking shit.

Post: #38

I don't know this whole story sounds kind of odd and possibly embellished, just doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, I've been to Cambodia, but never hooked up with a Khmer chick, never went to Pnomh Penh or "hooker bars." I just don't understand why this chick would flip and go crazy then start stalking this guy around the streets of the capital city. Then other random shit like the story of him head butting a post, WTF? Also I don't get why he's running around scared of some chick like he's being hunted by Freddy Kruger.

Then the thought of him being chased by an enraged mob of 8 random Cambodians who don't even know him, and having to flee at the last second to go straight to the airport... It's not out of the realm of possibilities, but just seems too odd, random, and bizarre, something seems fishy to me.

Post: #39

When I read the story, my first instinct was to call bullshit. Upon reading it again, it's more likely that some things did happen but the OP is embellishing or just overreacting. The part about this chick chasing you all over Phnom Penh makes it sound like you were being chased by some kind of hooker Terminator, but maybe this was just an area of a few blocks where it was easy to find you. And maybe you weren't chased out of the country by an angry torch-wielding mob, but just freaked out and decided that you had to leave.

Maybe you're just one of those people who attract drama. And it may not be that you start shit, but that when shit starts to happen you react to it instead of trying to defuse it.

Do you normally find yourself in unusual situations?

Post: #40

(09-05-2013 01:13 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  There aren't many tourists there who go to a club in PP dressed in [...] Mystery-style guy-liner.

Surprised no-one has mentioned this yet.

Post: #41

I would say he did a hooker. Didn't pay her in the morning. He didn't think he would see her in that club. He was with a group of people from the hostel. She wanted her money. He slipped out the back door and she went to find him. Don't play with pros and their money.

Post: #42

(09-04-2013 01:26 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I looked into that city..2.3 million people.. How can one hooker find you if you just changed hotels?

It's called coconut communication.

Amateur is a good way of putting it. First, I don't buy your story 100%. Either because you were drunk or you're just being melodramatic...you must have done something and are totally oblivious. I've been to Cambodia more than 50 times and know the place very, very well. Even emotional Cambodian women do not simply go crazy and want to kill you simply because you "don't want to be with a whore" after one night together. She may go crazy because you didn't pay her, but that's neither here nor there.

Also, so what if she's whore? I just got back from Cambodia a couple of weeks ago BTW...it is such a dirt-poor country and despite what you may think, some of the whores are working to survive or paycheck to paycheck so to speak. You boned her for free, she may have expected payment. Or she might have thought you could contribute long-term. Nevertheless, even if she just wanted some company or to get laid, you didn't have to diss her for being a ho. This shows your ineptness at the P4P game. Why on earth would you diss some ho who had given you free puss the night before? I don't get it.

Sorry, but I call bullshit. Like one poster wrote, he probably nailed her and didn't pay, then when she saw him, she got pissed. For many guys, this is a game, but for most of these hos, this garnering money from westerners is their lifeblood and serious, serious business. You fucked up, period and if half of what you wrote is true, not only are you an idiot but extremely fortunate.

BTW - I've been with Cambodian pros and non-pros running 15-20 years ago. It used to be the girls were very trusting and sweet. This is changing. And as one other poster wrote, a decent Khmer girl would be totally offended if you offered her money. I've had two Cambo GF's and they weren't in the habit of asking for money. Once in a while I'd break em off a piece but this was after we were in a more serious stage...

Post: #43

(09-06-2013 06:03 PM)Soma Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 01:13 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  There aren't many tourists there who go to a club in PP dressed in [...] Mystery-style guy-liner.

Surprised no-one has mentioned this yet.

This. You motherfuckers must be blind.

Troll or not, he wears eyeliner.

Ban.

Post: #44

(09-06-2013 11:55 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 06:03 PM)Soma Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 01:13 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  There aren't many tourists there who go to a club in PP dressed in [...] Mystery-style guy-liner.

Surprised no-one has mentioned this yet.

This. You motherfuckers must be blind.

Troll or not, he wears eyeliner.

Ban.

HAHA I actually caught that shit but chose to ignore it. To each his own, as far as I'm concerned.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #45

(09-06-2013 11:55 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 06:03 PM)Soma Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 01:13 AM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  There aren't many tourists there who go to a club in PP dressed in [...] Mystery-style guy-liner.

Surprised no-one has mentioned this yet.

This. You motherfuckers must be blind.

Troll or not, he wears eyeliner.

Ban.

I'm actually more bothered by the phrase "guy-liner" than I am by a man actually wearing eye-liner.

Post: #46

It makes Taiwanese girls get a wet front bum. I get opened regularly for it.

Sure, Cambodian prostitutes angrily chase me through the city for it......

But in Taipei, it's FABULOUS!

Post: #47

(09-06-2013 03:03 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 02:47 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  I always have a lot of sympathy for these girls. Maybe it's beta, but I'll give them the equivalent of $10 or $20 even though I'm not going to bang them.

I understood you until the end. Can you clarify? You give prostitutes cash even if you're not having sex with them? What do you mean by that?

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass here; I actually am asking for clarification. You could go broke out here pretty quick if you walked around giving cash to everyone who "needed it."

Well, I don't want to bang them because they're hookers, but I am entertained by them. I ask them about their work, what kind of things happen to them, what the good and bad men do, where their kids are. It's more a matter of hanging out with them for an hour or more and getting their stories. And being drunk and sentimental. I don't do it often. And it's $10 or $20, not more.

Post: #48

(09-07-2013 05:02 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 03:03 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 02:47 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  I always have a lot of sympathy for these girls. Maybe it's beta, but I'll give them the equivalent of $10 or $20 even though I'm not going to bang them.

I understood you until the end. Can you clarify? You give prostitutes cash even if you're not having sex with them? What do you mean by that?

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass here; I actually am asking for clarification. You could go broke out here pretty quick if you walked around giving cash to everyone who "needed it."

Well, I don't want to bang them because they're hookers, but I am entertained by them. I ask them about their work, what kind of things happen to them, what the good and bad men do, where their kids are. It's more a matter of hanging out with them for an hour or more and getting their stories. And being drunk and sentimental. I don't do it often. And it's $10 or $20, not more.

Fair enough. I often find sitting in a hooker bar is rewarding just for the social observations as well.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #49

(09-07-2013 05:24 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Fair enough. I often find sitting in a hooker bar is rewarding just for the social observations as well.

I was fond of sitting in the street bars on Sukumvit - great places to hang out.

Post: #50

I feel for you. We want to believe that we are the one that have the game to pick-up the trust fund chick, however unlikely it is. And you are 100% entitled to feel cheated by her, i would have reacted in a similar fasion, people here claim to be jonny cools but what she did to you is akin to you picking up a hooker in a brothel and and in the am stating, hey, i'm not paying, we never discussed money. You might guess what her reaction would be..

You did the right thing in running, even if you would have probably been able to work or pay it off, why take the risk.

Are other areas of cambodia better or is it all hookers all the time?