Post: #26

Bad ratios exist, its called a challenge.

You can't win in a sausage fest unless your game is tight as fuck, so tighten up and get in the pit. You always lose when you don't play.

Post: #27

I was drunkenly dancing with my f buddy (now gf? I dont care) at City Night Club in toronto. After a little while she says i feel like all these asian guys are staring at me (no offense to any asian guys since my best frd is azn). It just made her uncomfortable in a bad way and threw off the vibe. So i pulled her in a dark corner, made out, went to her apt for bang.

I wanted to stay longer so i could meet other girls but the "sausage fest" on the dance floor didnt make it possible. G is right, these problems can go away by the venue u choose

Post: #28

In most of the America's regular cities that aren't frequented by tourists like South Beach, Vegas, or Hollywood, it's like this after college.

Let's say you have a 100 people in a bar/club here (one of better places), just for example.

60 are men, 40 are women (this is being generous)

Out of those 40 women, maybe half are average, the other half are not. 10 would be considered semi-attractive to attractive. Regardless of how attractive they are, most women in the US (whether they've been married or not) have had kids by their early or mid 20s already.

So, you always have 60 guys after that top 10%, although most of them won't be taken seriously. Also, the US is within standard deviation of China in terms of sex ratio during the dating ages. There's only more women because of elderly women.

Post: #29

If there's consistent bad ratios at night there MUST something employing LOTS of young men close by. It costs money to go out. Even when I pregame I spend a lot at night.

If you live near such a place you have to listen to G and focus on high end venues. The higher the drink prices the better. Avoid bar districts that every dick knows about.

-High end lounges
-High end restaurants
-Hotel bars

Basically all the places that large groups of guys HATE to go to.

Post: #30

(08-08-2013 09:23 PM)rakishness Wrote:  Basically all the places that large groups of guys HATE to go to.

That's what it boils down to. Most men would be intimidated to be in a pilates class surrounded with hot women with the potential of looking more unfit than them.

In the bar scene, most men would avoid going to a cocktail bar with a male bar staff and a dress code because of the perceived expense. This is where I have seen more women than men.

It is far easier and cheaper to sit in an pub watching sports messaging women on Plenty of Fish but the ratio and quality here means that if you're an 8 most of your interest will come from 5s and 6s.

Post: #31

(08-08-2013 04:31 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  hey let's go to salsa class
hey let's go to cooking class
hey let's go to art galleries
hey let's go to wine lounge place
hey let's go to home decor stores
hey let's go to fancy restaurants
hey let's go to farmers market
...
Which is more 'Gay'? hanging out in a sports bar with your dudes throwing bean bags OR
hanging out in an art gallery surrounded by classy ladies?

Stealing that, so true.

What's more manly than going somewhere that's usually (at least here) open with nothing but a fan and the hot sun, out away from it all, to get food hand-grown by a man who works long hours in the hot sun in a field, surviving by his own sweat and toil, to go home and cook it up by hand, with fire and steel? Farmers markets are perfectly manly to me.
Or salsa classes? Hot dancing grinding up against girls. Cooking classes are manly too. Just ask any old-school Italian. Wine lounge--where else can you drink something, spit it out, and NOT GET YELLED AT? I mean, I haven't gotten to do that since I was like four! Besides, that's a perfect response to "oh you go to wine lounges?" Guys will laugh because they can empathize. Girls will laugh because they're dumb and think it's "cute", especially if delivered with a good wink.

Post: #32

Actually, looking back at my attempts to put game theory into practice in nightclubs with women, I kind of forced myself to like at the time, I think that I would have been better off learning salsa or tango.

Post: #33

I think there are two kinds of sausage fests:

1. Structural sausage fest. This is when the city has military bases or IT hubs where there really are a lot more dudes. Even trying to hack at it by doing day game or restaurant game may not produce decent results..

2. Venue sausage fest. G mentioned this... when you're going to places that guys love (sports bars, etc). I'm in a city where the ratio is good, but there are a couple venues that have bad ratios, and men consistently go to them. Why? Because it's easy to go to the fancy club that everyone talks about and drink as opposed to approaching girls during the day in Russian.

Poosy paradise game would be going to a city that structurally has more women than men and avoiding popular clubs, hipster bars (always tons of guys), and internet sites like badoo. In many EE cities, if you do 2 or 3 day game approaches a day, consistently, you really never have to step foot inside a club again. After a couple weeks you'll have more options than you know what to do with.

Moving to day game is the best way to counter bad ratios. My mistake in DC was living in the suburbs (close to my job).

Post: #34

I have made the same mistake. I live in a suburb near my job so my commute is 10 mins, but such location all but prevents game day. Online dating and the seldom girl I know from a friend are my main source.

Post: #35

(08-08-2013 05:37 PM)Ensam Wrote:  There are a few things I can think of:
First, I think guys tend to change their habits a lot more slowly than girls do. I used to do a lot of social dancing. When I started it was a poosy paradise. Lots of attractive, fit, single girls. Then dudes started to pick up on that and eventually there were about even numbers of guys and girls. Once that happened the girls stopped going and pretty soon the dances were sausage fests. Same thing with yoga classes, gyms, bars, etc. It only takes a few thirsty dudes to turn off chicks to a place and then dudes keep on going back for a long time because it used to be good.

Yeah I took Lindy Hop a few years ago thinking there'd be a lot more women, plus Lindy Hop had been featured one night on DWTS. Class turned out to be about 50/50 and the classes toward the end of the course had more dudes. And the women were mostly unattractive/older except for a few who were there with their boyfriends in tow. That experience turned me off to dance classes. Maybe they used to be good.

(08-08-2013 05:37 PM)Ensam Wrote:  Second, remember that it's the ratio of all men to girls between the ages of 18-28 that matters. That throws the ratio off considerably. You're not just competing for girls with guys in her generation, you've also got to include the guys from a generation (or two) before her.

Yup, there are a lot of women who are invisible to guys. Its funny, particularly when Im drinking, that I there are a lot of women I don't even notice around me due to their lack of attractiveness.

(08-08-2013 05:37 PM)Ensam Wrote:  Thirdly, some dudes lock down more than one chick at a time. It only takes a relatively small percentage of guys locking down more than one girl to seriously throw off the dynamics. A baller 38 yd probably has a wife, a serious mistress and a few flings - none of whom consider themselves on the open market. He's out at the club trying to pick up another girl and they're all at home waiting for his call. When girls have multiple men they don't tend to lock them down in the same way because they prefer to date men who have options.

Indeed, a woman can be getting dick once every week or so from a FB and considers herself taken.

Post: #36

Because anglosphere culture, and more so the US and Anglo Canada are the pinnacle of capitalism, Extreme capitalism leads to extreme competitiveness which is by default always a more masculine feature rather than femenine, men are more likely to be highly competitive due to testosterone production levels. For all the previously mentioned reasons the Anglo world (more so the US) cultures dictate that Its the men who competes for the women, as the men are by default more competitive, in a society where you have to be highly competitive to have the better job, the better house, the better looking partner it will be the male who leads in terms of highly competitiveness.

Now as the men compiter for women, the women act as if they dont need to approach as much men as they would in a different scenario, hence they are less pushed to go out to places where many men go, because they have the feeling that there are already many guys who they could have by default , without doing a minimum effort.

Also there is an important point, the fact that most men tend to go to places that are more male-friendly , and most of nightlife culture in the states is more male-friendly rather than female-friendly, hence going to a bar where drinking is the most important or following activities that gather more men attention will lead to a much higher crowd of males compared to females.

Anglosphere (the pinnacle of capitalism) is no place for femenine qualities, that's why there is also ocuuring a sort of masculinization process in anglo women ( more so in the US and anglophone canada).

Post: #37

This is the type of 'gay' event I was talking about. (magazine launching party)
can you imagine they are utahns? I don't see 'typical guys' here.

their pants might be tighter and their cars might be smaller (no pickup trucks) but look what kind of women they are hanging out with.
I would love to be in a such environment. (women, interior and other guys)

If you are not comfortable in a such environment and prefer a Pub setting, then don't expect quality women there.

Sports bar is like a hardcore gym. You think women like to be in a place filled with high testosterone 'real men'? LOL

(08-09-2013 05:15 AM)Anon-A-Moose Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 04:31 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  hey let's go to salsa class
hey let's go to cooking class
hey let's go to art galleries
hey let's go to wine lounge place
hey let's go to home decor stores
hey let's go to fancy restaurants
hey let's go to farmers market
...
Which is more 'Gay'? hanging out in a sports bar with your dudes throwing bean bags OR
hanging out in an art gallery surrounded by classy ladies?

Stealing that, so true.

What's more manly than going somewhere that's usually (at least here) open with nothing but a fan and the hot sun, out away from it all, to get food hand-grown by a man who works long hours in the hot sun in a field, surviving by his own sweat and toil, to go home and cook it up by hand, with fire and steel? Farmers markets are perfectly manly to me.
Or salsa classes? Hot dancing grinding up against girls. Cooking classes are manly too. Just ask any old-school Italian. Wine lounge--where else can you drink something, spit it out, and NOT GET YELLED AT? I mean, I haven't gotten to do that since I was like four! Besides, that's a perfect response to "oh you go to wine lounges?" Guys will laugh because they can empathize. Girls will laugh because they're dumb and think it's "cute", especially if delivered with a good wink.

Post: #38

(08-09-2013 07:52 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Poosy paradise game would be going to a city that structurally has more women than men and avoiding popular clubs, hipster bars (always tons of guys), and internet sites like badoo. In many EE cities, if you do 2 or 3 day game approaches a day, consistently, you really never have to step foot inside a club again. After a couple weeks you'll have more options than you know what to do with.

This makes me believe for the common player a lifestyle of mastering day game and living in a city with a good ratio is paramount over night game. Bagging 7's consistently and the odd 8 is very doable.

To lock down clubs and become king of a city with the $, time, and health costs to bag 8's consistently and the odd 9 seems like it may not be worth the pay off. If you can master day game you can be banging for less time, less money, more health, more genuine experiences.

Night game has that in the trenches feel that gives you more of a player high. Day game feels like a PG-13 movie most of the time.

Post: #39

(08-09-2013 06:40 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  This is the type of 'gay' event I was talking about. (magazine launching party)
can you imagine they are utahns? I don't see 'typical guys' here.

their pants might be tighter and their cars might be smaller (no pickup trucks) but look what kind of women they are hanging out with.
I would love to be in a such environment. (women, interior and other guys)

If you are not comfortable in a such environment and prefer a Pub setting, then don't expect quality women there.

Sports bar is like a hardcore gym. You think women like to be in a place filled with high testosterone 'real men'? LOL

The beauty is these type of events are so easy to chop up.

If you roll in Custom Suited, you are by default the #1 guy there. The rest is up to you to win or lose.

I love events like this.

Wait, is this really in Utah?

Post: #40

There used to be a really good blog called The Ratio Factor that went into great detail about why there are more men than women in the West during peak ages(18-30). I don't know what happened but the blog was installed pulled down one day. The fucked up ratios are a confluence of many factors including changing sex ratios, delaying marriage, fewer children.

Males had a naturally higher mortality rate than women, thus evolution has adjusted by making somewhat more males born than women. However there are fewer wars now and fewer people actually die in wars due to precision weaponry(look what WWII did to Russia, turned it into a poosy paradise by exterminating a huge number of guys, Are GIs were also inseminating German women like there was no tomorrow). Better medical technology means fewer fatalities from injuries, motorcycle accidents or premature births. So more men are being born than women, yet men at their most prime ages aren't dying at the same rate that they used to due to accidents and wars.

Also factor in that marriage is being delayed, so you have 37 year old cats like me still chasing 25 year old women, as well as cats in their 20s and 40s all going after the same women in their prime ages. A few generations ago, guys like me would've been married by age 26 and been off the market thus reducing competition for prime women.

In addition, men in their 30s that are single go out as much as single men in their 20s, however single women in their 30s don't go out as much as single women in their 20s. I'm guessing this is because of the reason I mentioned above. Even if 35 year old women went out, nobody is going to be looking at them over the 25 year old girls, so they don't even bother trying to compete.

Post: #41

(08-09-2013 08:11 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  In addition, men in their 30s that are single go out as much as single men in their 20s, however single women in their 30s don't go out as much as single women in their 20s. I'm guessing this is because of the reason I mentioned above. Even if 35 year old women went out, nobody is going to be looking at them over the 25 year old girls, so they don't even bother trying to compete.

Women slow down already by their late 20's, and definitely by their 30's. Cougars are the exception to the rule. Western Anglophone culture is trying to resist this tendency, but it's a losing battle. It's not just that a single 35 year old woman feels like she shouldn't bother because she can't compete, but that in general they're inherently not as thirsty as men. In the end, going out to bars and clubs is going to skew to the sex more consistently interested in short, low-investment sexual relationships. That's why the venues guys are talking about to find quality girls are precisely those which are not overtly oriented towards what used to be called the singles scene.

Post: #42

(08-09-2013 08:11 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  In addition, men in their 30s that are single go out as much as single men in their 20s, however single women in their 30s don't go out as much as single women in their 20s. I'm guessing this is because of the reason I mentioned above. Even if 35 year old women went out, nobody is going to be looking at them over the 25 year old girls, so they don't even bother trying to compete.

I see those women crawling out at night all over LA.

I actually think they are out more than guys that age.

Post: #43

(08-09-2013 06:40 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  This is the type of 'gay' event I was talking about. (magazine launching party)
can you imagine they are utahns? I don't see 'typical guys' here.

their pants might be tighter and their cars might be smaller (no pickup trucks) but look what kind of women they are hanging out with.
I would love to be in a such environment. (women, interior and other guys)

If you are not comfortable in a such environment and prefer a Pub setting, then don't expect quality women there.

Sports bar is like a hardcore gym. You think women like to be in a place filled with high testosterone 'real men'? LOL

(08-09-2013 05:15 AM)Anon-A-Moose Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 04:31 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  hey let's go to salsa class
hey let's go to cooking class
hey let's go to art galleries
hey let's go to wine lounge place
hey let's go to home decor stores
hey let's go to fancy restaurants
hey let's go to farmers market
...
Which is more 'Gay'? hanging out in a sports bar with your dudes throwing bean bags OR
hanging out in an art gallery surrounded by classy ladies?

Stealing that, so true.

What's more manly than going somewhere that's usually (at least here) open with nothing but a fan and the hot sun, out away from it all, to get food hand-grown by a man who works long hours in the hot sun in a field, surviving by his own sweat and toil, to go home and cook it up by hand, with fire and steel? Farmers markets are perfectly manly to me.
Or salsa classes? Hot dancing grinding up against girls. Cooking classes are manly too. Just ask any old-school Italian. Wine lounge--where else can you drink something, spit it out, and NOT GET YELLED AT? I mean, I haven't gotten to do that since I was like four! Besides, that's a perfect response to "oh you go to wine lounges?" Guys will laugh because they can empathize. Girls will laugh because they're dumb and think it's "cute", especially if delivered with a good wink.

I see nightclub ratios of sausage in the pictures that show the whole room.

Post: #44

After reading the above posts, 3 things seem consistent with sausage fests, with #1 not being given nearly as much emphasis as it should.
1) Because most guys are scared shitless of rolling solo to anything.
2) Guys pick the wrong venues or events.. and when they do get the event or venue right, its often at wrong time of day. i.e. They come to an event like the Utah pics too late, or with a date, or get there and still blow it and never approach.
3) Not day gaming enough. Good day game can open a network of the types of people you see in these pics.

Post: #45

(08-08-2013 04:59 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 04:52 PM)Laner Wrote:  Most men wouldn't feel comfortable in a place with lots of high quality women. They talk the big talk about how this place has no women, or is a "sausagefest" but if they were suddenly dropped into a bar with classy fly women they would form a protective circle around their beers and either get drunk or get bitter (these women are snobby b*tches).

Nothing is broken nor wants to be fixed. Its just nature.

Funny that you say that.

I have even noticed that guys who usually use the term "sausagefest" and complain about them are the guys that never step up when the odds are good.

But yeah, there are plenty of good places to go.

High end restaurant bars can be a goddamn goldmine. Again, ask guys if they want to go eat at a high end restaurant or go to a sh*t low-end happy hour.

They will pick the low-end happy hour 9 out of 10.

And I have yet to do a Pilates class, but also, I have yet to see one with less than 90% women.

g, happy hours aren't even that bad in ratio compared to middle-tier bar scene.

Though high-end restaurant scene is the way to go for ratio - why is it that these women never make it out to the bars afterward? They stick around drinking til late then at most venue change to another high-end restaurant for a nightcap.

Post: #46

(08-10-2013 03:06 AM)Ingocnito Wrote:  After reading the above posts, 3 things seem consistent with sausage fests, with #1 not being given nearly as much emphasis as it should.
1) Because most guys are scared shitless of rolling solo to anything.
2) Guys pick the wrong venues or events.. and when they do get the event or venue right, its often at wrong time of day. i.e. They come to an event like the Utah pics too late, or with a date, or get there and still blow it and never approach.
3) Not day gaming enough. Good day game can open a network of the types of people you see in these pics.

This! Most guys prefer doing things where they feel less uncomfortable and which usually involves more guys.

LOL at guys complaining at sausagefest and they arrive in groups of 5-10 guys at the party, they are at the start create gender imbalance themselves by bringining so many dicks. If you dont want to complain about sausagefest go out alone, focus on places that attract girls (the same which usually attract the less guys), grow balls and approach no matter uncomfortable you might feel doing that.

Post: #47

Another reason why sausagesfests exist is because guys don't day game. They wait until Friday and Saturday night to approach girls. This is when all the guys go out = sausagefest.

Day game is a "taco fest". Which means a pussyfest. Especially where I do it at colleges and universities. These places are often 60% women. And, I hang around the psychology and dance departments which are like 70% girls.

I'm starting to wonder...

Why do you guys go out at night?

I mean, I know some guys are able to get laid occasionally, but, it sounds like most guys are just frustrated and not getting results.

Post: #48

^^ You are right in that guys wait until Friday and Saturday to go out to approach girl. A lot of it has to do with popular culture as well where the weekend is seen as the time of week where you go out, get drunk, and try to get laid. As you said, what happens instead is that all the guys come out and it becomes a sausagefest instead.

Day game is tough, Gio. Even I haven't practiced much day game and hell, I understand the benefits of day game. I know it is more reliable, better, and you are not competing against shitty male-female ratios, thirsty betas, and bitch shields etc. I still mostly rely on night game to approach and get laid.

Most guys don't even think about day game. Add in the fact that most of the guys are working during the week, their brain is not even close to thinking about day game and its benefits over night game. When the weekend rolls around most guys are looking to blow steam off from their stressful work weeks and they want to get drunk and approach. The result is that you get these sausagefests where you have drunks guys with no game and raising the bitch shields for the very few guys that do know how to approach.

My short-term goal right now is to get more into day game.

Post: #49

(08-10-2013 03:06 AM)Ingocnito Wrote:  1) Because most guys are scared shitless of rolling solo to anything.[/b]

It's funny how I feel like one of the few people in a nightclub going around and trying to talk to random broads. I meet up with people when I go out, but often I go walk around solo for a little bit at a time. I too need to actually start gaming more during the day. Things really need to be shaken up.

Post: #50

Most guys would be happy to do day game if there was alcohol involved. Have a Cinco de Mayo party outside, at a tiki bar, on Spring break, or on a cruise ship, the same guys who normally only show up on Friday and Saturday nights will be hitting on girls. I'll say it again - guys like alcohol more than most women. Add the liquid courage they need, or think they need, to face rejection to the mix and it's no mystery why guys don't do day game.