Post: #301

Could it be university brainwashing? Back in 2002 in Kiev universities were brainwashing girls to date thiervown kind.

Post: #302

(08-03-2013 05:43 PM)slubu Wrote:  Back from another night. This place is scam central. I can't recommend Tomsk, I've never seen shadiness in such high levels in my life. At least in Novosibirsk as horrible, ugly and boring of a town it was, the girls were genuinely interested in us. Here, we are just novelties for their pleasure. Tonight was a different version of the night before, instead of involving money it was basically the opportunity cost of having a Saturday night out trying to hit on different girls.

Too tired to do the whole story, I'll do it after some sleep. Shady, shady bitches here in Tomsk. These girls deserve fucking oscars.

Slubu, don't feel bad. Looks like the Intransit guys also had a better time in Novosibirsk:




Good stuff starts around 4:50 mark, they end up in Rock City? club and talent looks awesome especially the blonde at the 5:18mark. What's the info on that place?

Post: #303

(08-03-2013 10:56 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Some points:
A. Most fsu girls , especially province girls will not offer to pay. That's a mans job. Your few experiences where they chipped in has clouded you a bit. Heck even fsu immigrants in NYC making six figures won't pay. In a capital city things will be a bit different.
B. Guy touching girls thigh means nothing. Haven't you admitted to being an octopus? Guys go caveman even if they are social circle friends. Also remember they take fuckbuddies from social circle. So technically he wasn't a boyfriend.
C. You interpretation of the scheme might be correct. But this isn't un common. After all what else is a guy good for?doozy covers the extraction process in bang Ukraine. You probably right buddies girl felt bad.
D. Forget c and realize other crazy possibilitesxexist. For example the guy screaming at them maybe was there pimp?in fsu any crazy scenario is possible.
E. Stop drinking so much. Maybe you missed something? Clue in the background like the crying game. (besides the way you drink you will age alot at one point lol).
F. Did you take a pic of the crying girl?that's insane

All in all great story,sorry about ending.

I have no problem with paying whatsoever. It's the deception I don't like. If I'm paying for you, I don't expect you to ditch me for another guy at your convenience.

The touching thing is interesting. I do it too but there is just something off about it here.

No pic of the crying girl. And unfortunately I like drinking, that night was isolated though - haven't been that hammered the entire 3 month trip not sure how I got like that.

(08-03-2013 01:51 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  Hey slubu, here's a little Russian lesson for you. What those chicks did to you is called dynamo in Russian (динамо, pronounced dee-nA-mo). Basically it's when a girl takes you for a ride, makes you pay for her and then doesn't fuck. The verb is динамить (dee-nA-mit). The girl who does it is динамщица (dee-nAm-shit-sa), a dynamo girl.

Next time you bump into these chicks or anybody else who tries to take you for a ride like that, you can say something like this:

Иди на хуй, динамщица (ee-di nA hui, dee-nAm-shit-sa). It means "Fuck off, dynamo girl".

The problem is when they are touching you, dancing with you, rubbbing you, MAKING OUT with you, how can you tell?

(08-03-2013 02:51 PM)Roosh Wrote:  It's not hard to construct your game in a way to minimize this behavior.

-Don't date via the internet
-Don't do meets-ups with her friend(s) in clubs before banging
-Don't do first dates in expensive restaurants

If you find yourself paying for her friends, in the hope to create a positive impression on the girl you want to bang, you're in the danger zone. My friend got burned bad because of that this week.

I've abided by 1 and 3, but have not abided by 2. Several times we've met up with girls at a club, and every time has resulted in failure. In Tomsk anyway...that tactic worked for me in a minor way in Novosibirsk (no bang, but some action).

But I fully agree with #2 now, especially after last night again which I'll write about shortly.

(08-03-2013 03:01 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  ^^^Slubu's wing-man/double date game puts him at risk. They tend to back each other up and approach groups of women above a 2 set. If he was alone at least he could try isolate the chick but since its a group thing he and his buddy(why not give us a make up name for that dude already?) are on the hook for the whole group. Roosh since you game alone you avoid the risk of buying drinks for everyone,etc. But his advantage is that a group of girls are more brave to go back to his flat and that has gotten him the bang, while if I remember you were forced to go on dates(less SNL),

I think that's an accurate assessment. Definitely have girls more likely to come back in pairs because they are with their friends.

(08-03-2013 07:36 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  Could it be university brainwashing? Back in 2002 in Kiev universities were brainwashing girls to date thiervown kind.

I don't know what it is, but it feels like in Tomsk there is a big secret and we are the only ones that don't know about it.

(08-03-2013 07:51 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  Good stuff starts around 4:50 mark, they end up in Rock City? club and talent looks awesome especially the blonde at the 5:18mark. What's the info on that place?

Yes we went there twice, it was empty both times. It is probably better in the school season is my guess.

Post: #304

So about last night... My buddy's tier 1 girl (I will call her T1 from now on), even the night where they all ditched us kept texting him, saying she didn't want to go, apparently she got kicked out for being too drunk, etc. As we were getting ready to go out last night, she texted him that she wanted to see him and we should meet them out. She said she was with different friends tonight.

Given our experiences the night before, our guards were up. After some discussion, we decided to go and meet them for a bit and gauge their receptiveness and if it seems like a scheme/shady we leave. The logic behind this was we would go out all night to try to meet/bang some girls that were not going to be as attractive as T1 (and hopefully her friends), she was the only one not wanting to ditch us the night before, and she kept texting my buddy, so there's a decent chance she's not part of any scheme.

We go there, and she is with 4 other friends, all bangable. It's funny how desensitized you get to beauty out here, a few of them if they were our girlfriends back in the US you'd consider yourself as doing very well. Anyway, knowing what happened last night, we don't get rounds of drinks, we just get a bottle of Russian Standard for what we thought was ourselves since the girls are drinking wine. Wrong, they go and get cups and ice and pour themselves a drink. Ha, so their goes that strategy.

Now I will say T1 was extremely overly nice to my buddy, and one of her friends took an immediate interest in me so I focused on her. We drink the vodka and go to the dancefloor, where my buddy and I only order drinks for ourselves. So this negated any efforts by them to order tons of rounds or anything like that. At most, my buddy would let T1 sip from his drink, and I'd do the same with my girl.

Now her friend, mind you a different one from the other night, is also all over me again. However, my guards are up. She's holding my hand, comes to find me if I walk away, etc. T1 is all over my buddy, even texting him if he leaves for 5 minutes to see where he went. At one point my buddy and I talk for a brief moment to two girls at the bar, they love the fact that we are from LA, but that dies quickly as our girls are right next to us.

Now the girls want to go to another club (sound familiar?) but this one is dying out and we can't convince them to do anything else, so we go. It was T1, my girl and one of the other friends (the hottest one actually). On the taxi ride there, T1 is sitting in the front and openly flirting with the taxi driver, despite my buddy being right there. My ability to understand Russian has skyrocketed since coming to Siberia where barely anyone speaks English. So she was asking him if he's married, how old he was, and then openly has her hand/arm on top of his hand/arm. When we get to the next club, she gives her # to the taxi driver.

I tell my buddy this and tell him enough is enough, go hit on other girls. So we get there, T1 tries to be friendly and my buddy tells her to basically fuck off. Now T1 and her other friend go into overt attention mode, it was almost funny. They start making out with each other, somehow order bananas from the bar and start deep throating them, and licking whip cream off their lips/faces. Now they have a crowd of guys around them.

Meanwhile, my girl is still with me, hugging me, we are making out, she is rubbing ice on my face (it was very hot in the club), I'm massaging her, everything is going well. I ask her about why T1 would hit on other guys, and tell her she is nicer than her friends. This is when she replies that "It is because I am honest." Interesting, as she is implying that her friends are deceitful.

I try to get her back, she is teetering but won't go. She says she doesn't trust me, even though I say I just want to relax, no sex, etc. At one point T1 comes over to me and says let's just all go back to her place, which I was fine with. They run off to attention whore again, and I'm still with my girl. Then we start walking to the exit, and the girls are sitting on some couch with some guys. And then it happened, this invisible switch flipped once more and everything went awry.

All of a sudden, T1 keeps telling me to go home and go to sleep. I tell her no, I don't want to why are you telling me this. She keeps yelling this to me and starts grabbing my hand to drag me out of the club. I sit back down, and ask my girl why they hell they want me to leave you. She keeps saying I don't know but doesn't argue with them, and just sits there in silence. Now I'm arguing with T1, and she says I should go because my buddy had already left. He hadn't by the way, he was just upstairs. I tell her that, she keeps saying where? where? So I say fine, I'll show you.

I go get my buddy and I tell him something's up, let's call them out on it. We go back to the club and I tell T1 see, here's my friend. The look on her face was priceless. She basically just threw a hissy fit and went and sat on the other side of the bar. Meanwhile, the girl I was with, that was holding my hand, making out with me, etc. now was was sitting next to a guy, wearing his blazer, with his hand on her thigh and her hand on his hand. I just started laughing, this was the "honest" one supposedly. We made eye contact a few times, I started laughing, and although I could tell she was somewhat uncomfortable at getting caught, it didn't phase her that much. She was laughing, talking with that guy as if I didn't exist.

So then it made sense, whoever this guy was, she wanted to be with or something, and that's why her friends all of a sudden kept telling me to leave the club. So I go from making out with a girl and potentially taking her home to her ignoring my existence within 5 minutes.

The other issue is you have to tread carefully with these guys. When my buddy was upstairs, he said he saw a fight where a guy just got pummeled UFC style to the point he was knocked unconscious. And since these guys travel in packs, and trust me they are not weak guys whatsoever, I have to mute my usual diffusion strategy. I rather not inquire what's going on, who are you, do you know this girl, and so on.

Tomsk is a mindfuck cocktease. In all my travels, I've never had such high reception (for both of us) from such quality. Yet despite the high reception, very little conversion. Even the one I banged required ungodly efforts. So much shadiness going on over here:

- More than half the girls completely flake on you, this is despite spending 1+ hour with them upon meeting
- One girl went out with my friend and told him she had a boyfriend during the date
- Our Friday night sponsoring drinks then getting ditched
- T1 giving her # to the taxi driver in front of all of us, then trying to pretend like nothing happened
- Last night walking out with a girl then 5 minutes later her friends are trying to get me to leave, she tells me she has no idea why, then when I return 5 minutes later she is attached to another guy

You know the saying, fool me once... We're done, Moscow here we come.

Post: #305

- in russia he who scams is king not he who works, watch any russian soap i mean anyone its always some mafia guys calling shots and scaming, a bit like rio = russia

- so u have three options (i learned this after having bombed much worse than u guys ie loss of cash etc)

- beat them at their own game ie show up to date and say oh shit left my wallet at home lets get go get it

- going super caveman with all connected risks and benifits

- go deeeeeper into russia where the whores are gaming at all star levels yet

Others may have additional strategies, but nothing easy and nothing better about fucking the hottest tail on our planet

Post: #306

I can't imagine how you guy deal with this kind of shit! I've been telling for a long time : Russian women are the most deceitful, dangerous,mindfucking creatures on this planet! They age like dogs and reach their pick at around 24. They will use you for anything they can while giving no value in return. They use foreigners for money and status only! Being Russian myself and knowing the culture I can tell you one thing: Only when she stops using you, paying her own way and even paying for you - that's when she starts having genuine feelings for you!
I think Most Russian women believe they can't have a long lasting relationship with a foreigner because they think a non Russian person is not capable of truly understanding them.
You guys here hate on the attitude of entitled American women, yet you either don't see or plainly ignore the rotten attitude of Russian women. It is a norm for them to use a guy for money or anything else they can squeeze out of you! The bitches got NO class!
They were born to take care of ugly Russian drunkards - so let them be and leave them alone!
If you find them outside of their natural habitat ( like in the US) - fuck them quickly and disappear!

Post: #307

(08-04-2013 02:30 AM)Wayout Wrote:  I can't imagine how you guy deal with this kind of shit! I've been telling for a long time : Russian women are the most deceitful, dangerous,mindfucking creatures on this planet! They age like dogs and reach their pick at around 24. They will use you for anything they can while giving no value in return. They use foreigners for money and status only! Being Russian myself and knowing the culture I can tell you one thing: Only when she stops using you, paying her own way and even paying for you - that's when she starts having genuine feelings for you!
I think Most Russian women believe they can't have a long lasting relationship with a foreigner because they think a non Russian person is not capable of truly understanding them.
You guys here hate on the attitude of entitled American women, yet you either don't see or plainly ignore the rotten attitude of Russian women. It is a norm for them to use a guy for money or anything else they can squeeze out of you! The bitches got NO class!
They were born to take care of ugly Russian drunkards - so let them be and leave them alone!
If you find them outside of their natural habitat ( like in the US) - fuck them quickly and disappear!

What a venomous diatribe.

All of the russian girls/women I have fucked or had relationships with (and some of them I know since years) are intelligent, witty, challenging, passionate, emotional (very very emotional, much more so than Americans or most Europeans who look at life in a logical fashion), learned, classy, cultured, selfless, honest, loving and loyal (but maybe not faithful). I also really adore their passionate, unpredictable nature, and their belief in fate and tragedy which, combined with their emotional generosity, make them wonderful lovers. I also love the fact that way deep down inside her russkaya dusha, a russian woman yearns for a real man who will dominate her and will keep her in line. And they love sex ....ladies in the streets and a freak in bed. I couldn't find any better women elsewhere.

As for "using foreigners for money", sorry but this is simply ludicrous. It's very easy to meet honest girls and women whose primary interest is not money ...honest girls who prefer romantic quiet cafes to expensive restaurants and prefer to spend evenings at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to glam money-obliterating clubs to show off to their friends. Of course, it depends of your target group. Personally I am not attracted to ditzy 18 yo party girls. Russia is swarming with honest girls and women who feel that the one thing they miss out in life is romance and adventures. And they don't expect the relationship to last forever or to get a financial benefit from it, but just to enjoy the ride.

Nonetheless, to score this type of women, you need to develop other skills than the simple fact of having money or being a foreigner. Intelligence, cultural knowledge/awareness, empathy, ect come to mind.

To come back to Slubu's experiences, IMHO he makes it too obvious that he is solely there to fuck girls. Most girls/women (and especially in provinces, where they have a stronger morality than in Moscow) stay away from this kind of foreigners. Particularly the hottest ones who already have dozens of local guys at their feet begging to please them, and for who to be seen making out or holding hands with a sex-hungry foreigner would be a loss of status. When you only deal with ditzy party girls, expect to be fooled and manipulated over and over again - and most often to come back empty-handed. That said, as usual, to each its own.

Post: #308

While there are sweet charming girls in Russia, most are out there to hunt one for their money. Those who aren't is due to 1 - having their own money or 2 - don't have the nouveau riche mentality.

As the saying goes, "don't look for marriage material (or normal girl in this case) in clubs". Try online gaming, I've met some girls through VK who look good, like to have a nice time, but dislike being club whores.

Slubu, the incidents with the T1 are unfortunate. Have you considered to do something to get back at her? She's perfect hate-fuck material, since she's not willing to put out you will have to be creative on how get revenge.

Post: #309

No most aren't there to scam you. The foreignness are in there view trying to scam them. You need to think like they think!
That being said, night game in the provinces is going to bring out the worst. This is the same in America if you think about it. The party girls worldwide are prone to deception, un faithfulness and bitchiness. It's multiplied in a foreign country where prices is out of reach of locals and language block. I am pretty sure Slubu would have caught the direction of the wind if he understood what they were speaking among themselves.
As for the self loathing Russian above lol. Russian men have created some of the mentality displayed. They are great for ltr just not so good for western style pick up. They view it as getting over on them and will put up defenses that make napoleon back track.
Modern Russian media and pop isn't helping. The young folks today are not much higher than Americans trailer trash who end up on Jerry springer. But aren't most young urban kids today worldwide becoming like that?

Post: #310

@Chrisgambi - Now that I think about it, I've been on very few dates in Russia. Compare that with Kiev where I had one or two daily. Most girls are flaking after giving me their #'s. It's funny you mention going more caveman, I'm thinking of doing that rather than what Prosal said.

@Wayout - I wouldn't go that far, lol. The girls I met in Moscow and Novosibirsk were pretty sweet to be honest. I'm only finding this in Tomsk.

@Prosal - I've heard that from many people before, including some acquaintances who have wifed up Russians. Then again I've heard what Wayout has said too. Here's my issue, I am attracted to these young party girls. 18-22 is my preferred demographic, and I enjoy going out at night, so they blend together. With respect to making it too obvious, well I'm not sure what I could do differently. Why the hell am I in Tomsk with a friend? Nobody comes here to see the museums, etc. The most I can say is I've always wanted to see real Russia, Siberia, etc. Plus, as my experiences have shaped me so far, 1) I can bang a girl the same night and quickly, and 2) even going the nice guy route which I did for example last night, gets me only more headache. I've had girls here hugging me with a lover's embrace, resting their head on my chest, begging me to take their # and making me call them so they had my #, stressing to make sure I call them, only to never hear from them again. So now that I face western levels of flakiness, my natural reaction is to push for the same night bang.

That said I'm big enough to admit defeat. I played Tomsk wrong and got chewed up in the process. However, there is no way to know. I come from Novo where I had a threesome, girls are going absolutely bezerk upon finding out I'm from LA, and my buddy bangs a very attractive girl on the first date. We come here, have many girls into us immediately, I bang a girl first meeting a week ago, so we follow the same APPARENT productive path. Now we know that was not the way to go.

Also I'm not sure about the being seen with a foreigner thing. Both of us have made out with girls at the club and almost nightly I have one holding my hand as we walk through the clubs. If that was a concern I'm sure they wouldn't be doing that in public.

@Cattle - No motivation for any revenge type stuff. Rather focus efforts on new girls tonight for example.

@jimukr - Definitely the more Russian you know the more you can protect themselves. It's funny when they speak in Russian and I actually understand something, and translate it for my buddy they look at each other like "how the hell did he know what we said".

Post: #311

Prosal, how do you go about meeting Russian girls when you are out here in one of the cities? Online, day time? I really wouldn't mind meeting one of those girls you described...

Post: #312

(08-04-2013 08:26 AM)jimukr104 Wrote:  No most aren't there to scam you. The foreignness are in there view trying to scam them. You need to think like they think!
That being said, night game in the provinces is going to bring out the worst. This is the same in America if you think about it. The party girls worldwide are prone to deception, un faithfulness and bitchiness. It's multiplied in a foreign country where prices is out of reach of locals and language block. I am pretty sure Slubu would have caught the direction of the wind if he understood what they were speaking among themselves.
As for the self loathing Russian above lol. Russian men have created some of the mentality displayed. They are great for ltr just not so good for western style pick up. They view it as getting over on them and will put up defenses that make napoleon back track.
Modern Russian media and pop isn't helping. The young folks today are not much higher than Americans trailer trash who end up on Jerry springer. But aren't most young urban kids today worldwide becoming like that?

+1

Most of these girls here aren't trying to scam you and in fact are worried that you are a married foreigner who's gonna scam them - that you'll make promises you could never keep and pump 'n dump them. The Russian guys are better at doing this that most foreigners so they are on alert.

I've had 2 pretty great Russian girlfriends here who've been really fun to be with. And all the others I'm dating now are pretty good compared to any American girl I dated - more feminine, interesting, fun etc.

Sure there are plenty of scammers too. As jimukr104 said party girls worldwide are accustomed to getting away with bad behavior bc guys let them do it. If you're chasing hot club rats at 3am then yeah I think a lot of them are gonna try to suck money out of you - that's what they do, especially at the higher end clubs here. The high end clubs here are full of 8s and 9s with expensive purses and other goods from their previous sponsors, and are there solely looking for more rich dudes to feed their ravenous appetite for the 'good life.' They can easily due this due to the number of realllllly rich Russian guys who throw money around like it's nothing - that included trips to the Cote d'Azure or wherever too, not just bottle service. At least that's what happens in Moscow and I think Peter too...maybe not as much in the provinces.

I 'dated' an 8+ here who was totally like that girl Slubu mentioned. And I mean almost exactly...when I read his story it was like deja vu all over again. Every time we'd meet up she'd bring her friend along (who was a really hot brunette who had just had a kid and who left her boyfriend at home while she went out to the clubs to find rich guys!!), often unannounced, then ply me and the buddy I called to 'wing' for drinks. They'd try to angle us to the most trendy & expensive places in town, which we largely were able to maneuver around, but not always. Later they would take us to their favorite club to buy them drinks. At the club they would disappear for awhile and I"m sure meet up with some other dude they were playing (or new potential sponsor targets!). I knew sort of what was going on but wanted to bang this one real bad and frankly it was a very interesting learning experience for me. Found out later this girl had a kid and her hot friend was dating like 2-3 separate really rich dudes who were buying her just tons of high end stuff - like Vertu phones, $1500 purses, etc. Anyway, after a few bangs I got tired of the gold-digging and just dropped her once I found better ladies. But it was a real learning experience for me for sure.

Post: #313

A little devils about the taxi cab number exchange. In that case it is obvious she is a flirt who is trying to lay the ground work for free or cheap future rides.
5 years ago in Ukraine when peole need a ride they hitch a ride. I am sure it still is the same. For example we stand o the road and negotiate a price forca private driver. You keep mentioning calling taxis. That has got to be a new thing. Taxi companies can not compete with locals who drive folks for a fee. You should try the hitching it's easy. Because of this most women learn to be flirty with drivers. Sometimes they offer sex. Having a car is a great way pick up chicks btw. When I had a motorbike literally a few times a got girl jumped on the back lol.
If you guys are using real cabs it makes sense that locals will be friendly to make a relationship where they can phone a driver when needed. Tbh I would have I the car asked WTF? Touching in front of you guys shows she s a flirt cocktease.
I really don't think those girls are actually going to like those local guys better than you. They are using them. Cab drivers are like tier 20 guys lol.
You guys should just wing when needed but slow down the group thing. It's much easier to be in control when there isn't a group of girls socializing within your own group. If you get clockblocked by the xtra girls than just number close and move on.
Don't be afraid to ask the girl directly"who is this guy?are you with kefir him?". In most cases actions speak louder than words.
Nothing is more dangerous than a pack of skinny gopniks. Those are the ones to worry about. Most Russians get courage from the group. Hate to say it but they remind me of the gang bangers we arrest in the hood. By themselves harmless but when drunk they are fearless and will think it MANLY to kick your ass even if they outnumber you.
Americans are bought up to love the underdog. Fsu they worship strength,even if it means outnumbering you. Suffice it to say,if it ever comes down to it really take out the biggest one first and as many as you can.

Post: #314

O touch auto correct sucks. I meant devil advocate lol.

Post: #315

Very educational thread. I think slubu deserves a commendation for sharing stories where he got burned, because it's definitely not easy to do. This type of honesty and authenticity is rare in men.

Post: #316

Hats off to you Sir.



Keep it coming Slubu, hottest thread on RVF currently .........

Post: #317

(08-04-2013 11:11 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Very educational thread. I think slubu deserves a commendation for sharing stories where he got burned, because it's definitely not easy to do. This type of honesty and authenticity is rare in men.

Post: #318

Fantastic thread. +1 from me, Slubu. Rooting for you to turn it around.

Post: #319

"You guys here hate on the attitude of entitled American women, yet you either don't see or plainly ignore the rotten attitude of Russian women. It is a norm for them to use a guy for money or anything else they can squeeze out of you! The bitches got NO class!"

That's tends to be a gender trait with no borders. But a lesson I learned with FSU women(actually it was a French expat in Kiev) is that for some reason they actually act like foreigners OWE them and deserve what we get. My wife admits to this mentality but she might be joking. I am not sure if it is related to some post cold war defeat defense mechanism. Kind of like how I hear people in Iraq often are passive aggressive against Americans, even ones who helped them. In the ghetto law enforcement gets it all the time. I can see how it is very possible in FSU where babushka's dream of the return of super power status.heck my mom in law thinks Putin is awesome and she is Ukrainian!After all its our fault they lost and their economy doesn't work and that they all lost money in their own banks. Like my wife says its easier to lie to herself than to take responsibility for her actions or lack of action.
Compare this to the so called sweet Polish chicks. Poland is very pro American-UK. Something to think about.

p.s. are we can just blame the foreigners who tell the women they deserve expensive restaurants(bride hunters) and that padaracks(gifts) should be given to all women(G.K.) lol

Post: #320

(08-04-2013 11:11 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Very educational thread. I think slubu deserves a commendation for sharing stories where he got burned, because it's definitely not easy to do. This type of honesty and authenticity is rare in men.

Thanks, I don't mind sharing. It helps me learn along the way too to recount what I did, what I should have done, etc. Have to do some work quickly but will put up a post on last night, which turned out interesting.

Post: #321

Great thread, slubu and the raw honesty is commendable. I am a big Russophile and obviously the women are hot, but don't you find the rampant gold-digging to be a boner killer? I mean looks can only take a women so far. At least in the U.S, if you go clubbing, there are a fair share of sluts to be had that just want sex. This seems to be much rarer in FSU. I am starting to wonder why guys travel to Russia(just for women) when you are going to be taken for a ride so often. These are usually the same guys that went through an expensive divorce in the U.S.

Post: #322

(08-05-2013 12:42 AM)RussianSoul Wrote:  Great thread, slubu and the raw honesty is commendable. I am a big Russophile and obviously the women are hot, but don't you find the rampant gold-digging to be a boner killer? I mean looks can only take a women so far. At least in the U.S, if you go clubbing, there are a fair share of sluts to be had that just want sex. This seems to be much rarer in FSU. I am starting to wonder why guys travel to Russia(just for women) when you are going to be taken for a ride so often. These are usually the same guys that went through an expensive divorce in the U.S.

Thanks. It's not all girls that are gold diggers here, as you will see in my next post. But as much as the burning kills the boner, the flip side is we are hanging out with very attractive, youthful girls that sometimes we end up banging.

Yes girls in the US are easier, way way easier. But at some point it is not desirable. I rather take a chance at a twenty year old Russian 8, and maybe bone maybe get burned, then fuck another 26yo American 6.

Post: #323

Last night was interesting. Here we go....

It's Sunday night, so we are grasping at straws as to what to do. We look up what is advertised, and plan was to hit each one until we find one with some girls there. First place was a karaoke bar, dead. Second place was a bit of a trashy club, bingo.

This was the place where we hung out with the bartenders and she gave me the fake number at first, etc. Go inside, somewhat lively for a Sunday night, about 50 people, and 70% girls. So far so good. We go inside the karaoke room where the bartender was, arm all over a guy (of course), she sees me and comes over and gives me a big hug. She is completely strung out on some drug - I've been around people on drugs before, but she was just gone. Get some shots, head to the main area.

Oh before we go two blondes walk in that side karaoke room, I start speaking to them and they start giggling once they realize we are American. But they leave and head back to the dancefloor.

We go there, table of 3 girls smoking cigarettes so I go there and pretend I don't know how to ask for a light in Russian, eventually the girl gives me some matches and I ask her if she speaks English. She blurts out laughing, says yes, then we chat for a second before I move to her hotter friend. Let me describe the three girls first:

- Megan Fox clone, 20, hottest one. Let's call her MF.
- Curvier girl, 21, amazing breasts (seriously couldn't stop staring), tounge ring, belly ring, tattoos over her breasts. Still skinny. Let's call her Tits. However, she has this type of face I hate. I can't describe it, and most people will find it fine and even cute, but it looks like a family member of mine's face that I don't like very much, so I hate it. But...good body and tits!
- Matches girl, superb body (had those v-lines going to her crotch), dressed like 80s girl with thong hanging out and bra exposed, but...smelled so so so bad. The best way I could describe it is take a Burger King trash can that hasn't been emptied in hours (half eaten, old whoppers), take a bucket of black peppercorns, somehow explode said peppercorns and mix it with the aforementioned trash. I've never been so visually attracted to a girl while at the same time being so olfactorily (is that a word?) repulsed. Smelly will be her name.

So Smelly despite her looks and body is just completely out of the picture. When she walked within 5 feet of me I knew she was there because I got punched in the face with that smell. She looked super horny too, so that's a shame.

Anyway, I talk to MF for a bit, she is not very responsive to me so I go over to Tits, who is very responsive. My buddy leaves smelly and goes to MF, and I later learn she is just shy not cold. Should have not given up so easily, but no harm as my buddy started to work on her. Anyway, everything is going well, we are talking, no drinks are purchased for them, and we go to the side room so Smelly can sing. Before that however, one of the two blondes from the karaoke room earlier is at the table next to us, and keeps looking at me, smiling and sticking her tongue out. I decide not to leave Tits because she was already receptive and given equal looks, I will always go with younger and more receptive, which she was.

Or course, Smelly despite her rank is one of the best singers I've ever heard. She does a rendition of Whitney Houston's I will always love you and it's American Idol worthy. We get shots of vodka there ($2.50 each!), have some drinks then go back to the dance floor. By now we are paired up with the girls, dancing, rubbing them, etc. Nobody goes near Smelly.

Tits asks me what me what my plan was after, and I retorted "cooking you breakfast." She suggested we all go back to her place. I told her let's go to ours (assuming she doesn't have a 2 bedroom), but she wouldn't because she had to be at work at 7am. She tells Smelly we are leaving, Smelly starts licking Tits' tits and for a second threesome pops in my mind again, but honestly I would have declined - THAT'S how bad Smelly smelled.

So now off we go, and I'm just thinking about how wonderful those mammaries will look exposed, how we will fuck them, how big her apartment is, etc. We get to her place and its a dinky dilapidated studio apartment. Great what now. She puts down some blankets for my buddy and MF, and I get in bed with her. She refuses all my damn advances. Not even a makeout. I try three times to initiate, she keeps slapping my hand away.

Meanwhile, my buddy is 5 feet away from me going at it with MF. Tits hears the kissing and starts making "ooooh!" sounds and I put my hand over her mouth and tell her to shutup, as I know that some girls are shy about hooking up in front of their friends, so the last thing I want this girl on my left doing is making sounds to interrupt the flow of my buddy's progression. Finally Tits falls asleep, and I'm trying very hard not to move so MF thinks I'm asleep too so she'll fuck my buddy. Problem is I'm on my back and I can't fall asleep that way, and if I turn to my side the bed will squeek. So I hold position and have to listen to all this heavy breathing. I'm just hoping she either starts moaning and they bone, or she says nyet or whatever so I know the advances are over and I can turn and go to sleep.

Finally he gets the nyet, after some light fingering (he told me later, I wasn't watching). I turn, go to sleep. Wake up at 8am to some sound, Tits had overslept her work. She gets up and changes and runs out of the house, I go back to sleep.

On a funny note, I started taking zinc this week and I believe one of the side effects are more vivid dreams. Well being blueballed that night I guess led me to having a sex dream, and without going into details it was very lucid and I was about to nut, when I got woken up by MF making some random sounds. That would have a very funny present to leave Tits on her bed.

Of course, we ask MF to call a taxi for us, and she "has no credits on her phone." This is despite making about 6 calls immediately preceding this request to god knows who. When we left the club, Tits used my phone to call the taxi too. Are these girls really that hard up for what probably amounts to a 10c call?

We leave, get back, and after looking up MF on vk.com or whatever, my buddy finds her instagram and she has several pictures of her with a guy, kissing, holding hands, going out. He says it was the same guy on her phone. So yup, MF likely has a boyfriend. Which is fine, we don't care but just adds to the shadiness of these girls.

Important side story... While Smelly is singing in the karaoke room, around 2:30 a.m., I get a text from a random number (translated from Russian):

Her: Hi, how are you?
Me: Good, you?
Her: Also good, what are you doing?
Me: At a club. Who's this?
Her: Anastasia )
Me: Where are you?
Her: Home
Me: Is that an invitation?
Her: I want to see you tomorrow.
Me: Ok, I will cook for you.
Her: When? Where?
Me: My home, 9pm.
Her: Ok

However, I am not sure who Anastasia is. I changed the name for privacy purposes, but I think it's the cute 18yo scam artist from Friday night. Interesting. I say I think because I thought her name was something else, and it is another phone number not the one she gave me. However I know one of the girls from Friday was named Anastasia, the name she gave me was close, and why would one of the other girls text me and not her?

Not sure what to make of this situation. First, I don't even know for sure it is her. I'm 90% sure it was her, but again, it was a random #. Yet several times we've had girls have multiple phones for some reason. Second, given the burn last time, should I even see her tonight? I guess I have nothing to lose if she's just coming over here, plow her with drinks, make some food and go for the bang. Only cost is I was supposed to see the girl I banged again tonight, but maybe it's worth it to take the risk. We'll see, she could easily have just been hammered last night and will flake tonight.

Super shady, this girl completely ditches me on Friday night now agrees to come over directly to my house. Last night the girl with the tongue ring, belly ring, tats over her tits turns out to be the prude, whereas the shy, cute one takes a good fingering a few feet from two other people. Spend 5 hours with a girl in a night? I'll never see her again. Spend less than an hour with two girls? Threesome. I thought Ukraine made no sense, Russia's on another level.

I hate it, yet cannot turn away. Each night is a new surprise.

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slubu, awesome report. Great last line "I hate it, yet cannot turn away. Each night is a new surprise."

It made me think of that expression - there is a fine line between pleasure and pain.

Thanks for all the fantastic posts.

S

Edit: used great in each sentence needed some variety