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Post: #27

(06-19-2013 08:54 AM)bacon Wrote:  I think white people in America can have questions about what their culture is which is logical because they are usually a mix of several backrounds be it Irish, German, Italian, etc. with generations between them and their family from Europe. I dont know how much a white student group would help in that effort to try and figure out white culture in America is but obviously some people feel like they need it. Personally I am slightly envious of my Italian cousins in Italy because they never have to question what culture they are or come from because they have lived in the same place as their family before them for hundreds of years. To be white in America is to have no clear cut culture as we are melting pot of many different European cultures and while there are many benefits to this but I can see why it could create an cultural identity issue for some white Americans.

I'm a white American and the last of my ancestors came to the US before the Civil War. They were mainly British and German. At this point I have zero connection to either of those places. I don't seek to identify with those cultures. I already have a culture that I identify with. My culture: American culture. I don't question where I'm from. I already know the answer. I don't need some hyphenated title to make me feel unique and special.

Post: #28

Stop talking about culture. This has nothing to do with culture.

It is a very simple issue:

Minorities organizing on the basis of race = socially conscious and progressive. YAY!!!!

White people organizing on the basis of race = Ku Klux Klan as a previous poster neatly put it. BOOO!!!

Post: #29

(06-19-2013 05:43 PM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  Stop talking about culture. This has nothing to do with culture.

It is a very simple issue:

Minorities organizing on the basis of race = socially conscious and progressive. YAY!!!!

White people organizing on the basis of race = Ku Klux Klan as a previous poster neatly put it. BOOO!!!

It's because we have no history of whites organizing around their race without it being hate driven. Blacks organized around their race and it produced Martin Luther King. Whites organized around their race and it produced Hitler.

Until there are visible examples of whites organizing around their race that is entirely divorced from neo-nazism then it will continue to be stigmatized. Thank the Klan and Nazis for giving white racial consciousness/organization a bad name.

Post: #30

While following the link to the OP's vid I found another video on Vice that is actually more interesting than the gay ass white student union one:

Post: #31

Absurd...but I will play along.

You said, "Until there are visible examples of whites organizing around their race that is entirely divorced from neo-nazism then it will continue to be stigmatized."

Please describe a potential example of white people organizing on the basis of race that is divorced from neo-nazism, so us non nazi's can get it started with the approval of the PC police.

By that logic, this very forum is a vehicle to suppress women's rights. Jezebel could use your own words to say something like, "Until there are visible examples of men organizing around their gender that is entirely divorced from misogyny, it will continue to be stigmatized."

Your predicted reply of men organizing around father's rights etc... would be dismissed by women, or "the suppressed class," because by your logic, for the stigma to be removed, the suppressed class must give their approval for it to be ok, and for the PC police to be satisfied.


Side note...Talking politics is an exercise in futility. People are married to their political beliefs and seldom their minds. If they do, it's usually because of something that happened to them, not because they reached an epiphany from a group discussion. Some of us think starting a white student union is racist, some of us don't give a fuck, and some of us think those who think it's racist are racist themselves. I venture those opinions will not change no matter how much we talk about it. In fact, talking about it is more likely to cement our positions than open our thinking.

Post: #32

Racial groups require a unifying symbol to sustain themselves as a homogenous block. If a racial or ethnic group is going to maintain solidarity its members must have something to rally around. For Jews, it is unquestionably the Holocaust, and to a lesser extent (these days) their covenant with God as chosen people. For American blacks, it is the legacy of slavery and the civil rights era. For Mexicans, it is their great migration, their status as being "strangers in a strange land".

Whites in America have no such unifying symbol, which is the major reason they are so susceptible to being divided and denied racial consciousness. This is largely due to the fact that whites have not experienced any sort of traumatizing racial event in several hundred years. In fact, you basically have to go all the way back to the the Battle of Tours in 732 A.D. (where Charles Martel defeated Muslim armies and drove them out of modern day France) to find the last time that white people truly faced an existential threat from another racial group.

Essentially, whites as a group are victims of their own success. Other racial groups have traumatic events in their recent histories which they can rally around to promote group solidarity. Whites have nothing to rally around except the fact that they've utterly dominated the world for the past 500 years. To use an analogy, it's sort of like the difference between being a die-hard fan of a team that's been undefeated for several decades, versus one that's hard-luck and never has a winning season. Who can take pride in cheering for a team that always wins? It's not even sporting. Anyone who labeled himself a rabid fan of a team that always wins would be seen in a negative light, and perhaps not a little crazy. This is the commonly held view of anyone who advocates for white nationalism.

This is also the reason that any kind of white racial consciousness is always labeled as "white supremacy" right off the bat. It's because whites as a group have no unifying commonality except their dominance and supremacy in the modern era. The Nazi movement was so powerful because it combined this latent feeling of racial supremacy (which usually goes unexpressed) with genuine feelings of national trauma stemming from the defeat in WWI and the subsequent humiliation of the Treaty of Versailles.

In the United States, there are historically only two rallying points for white people (both minor compared to the rallying symbols of other races): the Constitution and the historical founding of the United States in general, and the traditional Christian church. It is no surprise, then to see that these are exactly the two pillars which have been most savaged by cultural Marxism over the past several decades. Not coincidentally, these are also the two most unifying symbols and beliefs behind the Tea Party movement, which is best understand not as a political movement but as an unconscious reactionary movement by whites to voice their racial discontent and frustration.

As the U.S. and Europe become increasingly non-white in the decades to come, whites will be forced to recognize their own racial consciousness whether they like it or not. The survival mechanism inherent to all racial groups will then start to kick in, and whites will once again self-identify as a homogenous cultural and racial in-group. By then it will simply be a matter of survival.

If whites do not wake up to this fact, the white race will become extinct as a distinct phenotypic sub-group of homo sapiens within a century due to race mixing and simply being out-bred by more fertile races.

Post: #33

One of the big problems with the white nationalists hopes of a white racial awakening is that left-wing, urban whites don't really get along with or agree politically with right-wing, rural/suburban whites. I see it all the time even in Texas. The left-leaning whites of Austin make fun of and look down on the right-leaning whites of rural/suburban Texas, and vice versa. That type of division doesn't really exist in other racial groups in the USA, and that is the reason I am highly skeptical of a "white awakening" happening, other than in isolated parts of the country.

Post: #34

(06-19-2013 05:56 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  It's because we have no history of whites organizing around their race without it being hate driven. Blacks organized around their race and it produced Martin Luther King. Whites organized around their race and it produced Hitler.

Until there are visible examples of whites organizing around their race that is entirely divorced from neo-nazism then it will continue to be stigmatized. Thank the Klan and Nazis for giving white racial consciousness/organization a bad name.

Wow lol tell us how you really feel.

White people havn't had the need to produce a figure like MLK in quite some time as Scorpion mentioned. Even if they produced that type of figure how would he gain a platform? If people are content so they aren't going to go out of their way to follow somebody fighting for their rights.

Post: #35

Whites in America can't be clumped together. Acadians in Canada have no issues preserving their heritage nor do (non radical) French Canadians, or the Mennonites in Ontario. Until I get specific examples of real united heritage amongst "white America" it's all utopian speak.

The eastern class of Canada still have vibrant white ethnic groups whom largely share ALOT of similarities to the early eastern settlers in America.

You see barley any of this in current America today.

Post: #36

(06-19-2013 04:12 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 02:08 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Racial minority groups in the U.S. find it very unsettling when white people demonstrate racial consciousness. If white people begin to see themselves as a homogenous ethnic and cultural group the way that Jews, American blacks and Mexicans do, the fear is that whites will re-awaken their largely dormant racist feelings. In a society that has become as multicultural and ethnically diverse as the modern United States, any such resurgence of white racial animosity towards minority groups would obviously have the potential to be enormously disruptive to the status quo.

This is the reason that white racial identity is essentially a taboo in American culture, while racial minority groups are encouraged to identify ethnically and form support networks base on their racial background.

The idea is that white people do not need any ethnic or racial solidarity, because they are already the dominant racial group in the country, while other ethnic groups, having smaller numbers and being more vulnerable to discrimination from the white majority have the necessity of falling back on racial and ethnic support.

The fear of white racial consciousness by minority groups is somewhat understandable given the history of the past century and further back into the slave era (After all, the last time a white nation became animated with racial consciousness it took practically the entirety of Europe as well as two superpowers to put them down).

However, just because it is understandable doesn't mean whites will tolerate it forever. I predict the next few decades will see a resurgence of white racial consciousness, as more whites in both the U.S. and Europe wake up to the realization that they are being displaced from their own country by fast-breeding immigrants. When that happens, you'll have decades' worth of simmering racial resentment boiling over all at once. It won't be pretty.

With the global desegregation movement of the 60s too many people today are mixed and few will invest time and resources to fight some race war that's been touted for the past 60 years by the 'race conscious' folks.

Canada has become intermixed racially and culturally, there are so many mixed race/ethnic unions that I'm not sure how anyone can pick allegiances in 50 years time. America is getting there, they had a bit more of a rough history intergrating their non white minorities but they've more or less gotten there, even if many were kicking and screaming in the process.

People will be too busy making money, figuring how to fuck each other, and watching sports to become race conscious.

Remember Trayvon Martin? Barely right? Some people were saying there was going to be race riots? Fuck that. People nowadays are busy working, fucking, and keeping up with social media, they don't have time to start race riots over a dead black kid. Or a white one for that matter.

White student union? Good for them. A good place to pick up women.

I'm half white, where do i join?

Canada, intermixed? you must be talking about Urban Canada right? Northern Canada has intense racial animosity between whites and first nations (americans call them indians, thats considered racist in canada). The whole 'idle no more' movement, caledon, ipperwash, oka that is all over the top racial conflict that people in Toronto, Vancouver on Montreal don't get to see.

Post: #37

(06-19-2013 06:36 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Racial groups require a unifying symbol to sustain themselves as a homogenous block. If a racial or ethnic group is going to maintain solidarity its members must have something to rally around. For Jews, it is unquestionably the Holocaust, and to a lesser extent (these days) their covenant with God as chosen people. For American blacks, it is the legacy of slavery and the civil rights era. For Mexicans, it is their great migration, their status as being "strangers in a strange land".

I am Mexican-American, and this is not what unifies us.

I am not even sure if there is anything that unifies us other than our Mexican culture, and that is slowly dissolving away an being replaced with mainstream American culture.

As for strangers in a strange land...dude the Southwest was once Mexico's.

Post: #38

I'm not sure the changing demographics of America are going to awaken some sleeping white giant. After all, Obama was reelected, so his presidency can hardly be considered a fluke. That doesn't seem like something you'd expect from a country headed toward a racial meltdown. While there may be more white republicans than white democrats, it still took a large bloc of liberal whites to make a black man president. Conservative groups are becoming increasingly disenfranchised due to racial attitudes.

There really are two white Americas, the conservative heartland, and the liberals on the coasts. I think their political and cultural differences are too great to be united under a racial umbrella. The white coastals pining for gay marriage want nothing to do with those fighting gun control. You could even say they might as we be two different countries.

I doubt there will be race riots or anything like that. America will simply start to look more like Brazil. Whites exist there as a minority, but they coexist with black and brown people without any racial violence or movement to breakaway. Nor is there much of any white consciousness movement amongst white Latin Americans.

Post: #39

Documentary was made by a bunch of fags. Nothing to see here.

Post: #40

(06-19-2013 07:17 PM)wiscanada Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 04:12 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 02:08 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Racial minority groups in the U.S. find it very unsettling when white people demonstrate racial consciousness. If white people begin to see themselves as a homogenous ethnic and cultural group the way that Jews, American blacks and Mexicans do, the fear is that whites will re-awaken their largely dormant racist feelings. In a society that has become as multicultural and ethnically diverse as the modern United States, any such resurgence of white racial animosity towards minority groups would obviously have the potential to be enormously disruptive to the status quo.

This is the reason that white racial identity is essentially a taboo in American culture, while racial minority groups are encouraged to identify ethnically and form support networks base on their racial background.

The idea is that white people do not need any ethnic or racial solidarity, because they are already the dominant racial group in the country, while other ethnic groups, having smaller numbers and being more vulnerable to discrimination from the white majority have the necessity of falling back on racial and ethnic support.

The fear of white racial consciousness by minority groups is somewhat understandable given the history of the past century and further back into the slave era (After all, the last time a white nation became animated with racial consciousness it took practically the entirety of Europe as well as two superpowers to put them down).

However, just because it is understandable doesn't mean whites will tolerate it forever. I predict the next few decades will see a resurgence of white racial consciousness, as more whites in both the U.S. and Europe wake up to the realization that they are being displaced from their own country by fast-breeding immigrants. When that happens, you'll have decades' worth of simmering racial resentment boiling over all at once. It won't be pretty.

With the global desegregation movement of the 60s too many people today are mixed and few will invest time and resources to fight some race war that's been touted for the past 60 years by the 'race conscious' folks.

Canada has become intermixed racially and culturally, there are so many mixed race/ethnic unions that I'm not sure how anyone can pick allegiances in 50 years time. America is getting there, they had a bit more of a rough history intergrating their non white minorities but they've more or less gotten there, even if many were kicking and screaming in the process.

People will be too busy making money, figuring how to fuck each other, and watching sports to become race conscious.

Remember Trayvon Martin? Barely right? Some people were saying there was going to be race riots? Fuck that. People nowadays are busy working, fucking, and keeping up with social media, they don't have time to start race riots over a dead black kid. Or a white one for that matter.

White student union? Good for them. A good place to pick up women.

I'm half white, where do i join?

Canada, intermixed? you must be talking about Urban Canada right? Northern Canada has intense racial animosity between whites and first nations (americans call them indians, thats considered racist in canada). The whole 'idle no more' movement, caledon, ipperwash, oka that is all over the top racial conflict that people in Toronto, Vancouver on Montreal don't get to see.

I know the deal with the White/Native racial animosity.

But for every angry 'pure' native, there's at least 2 intermixed metis that are totally integrated into mainstream culture.

That's pretty much the global future. It'll be a Brazilian world. Racism won't disappear at all but that's life. There will be money to be made, pussy to be fucked, a world to be globe-trotted. Race war? The Gods Must be Crazy.

Post: #41

(06-19-2013 03:48 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 01:37 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 01:11 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 12:18 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:37 AM)bacon Wrote:  I can only speculate cause I am not black but I think maybe those black student groups could provide a place for black students to have a cultural identity. I personally believe part of the reason black people in America value the role of church in their lives is because it provides a cultural idenity to black Americans which maybe they dont find easily in other places.

There is a much more parsimonious, empirically verifiable explanation. Religosity has been seen to be negatively correlated with IQ across a variety of stratifications (e.g. both across and within nations); American blacks have lower average IQ compared to other population groups.

Absolute rubbish. White Americans are far more religious than Europeans. Both have mean IQs of 100.

Unless the correlation is -1 or +1, you can always cherry pick individual data points that buck the trend (by definition) but the relationship still holds.

Europe is heterogenous for IQ across countries.

You can fact check this via Google instead of reacting knee-jerkedly.

Who is giving knee-jerk answers? I think you are oversimplying what is a complex sociological issue. I'm well aware that irreligiosity is often correlated with intelligence, but correlation of course is not causation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_...ted_States

In the U.S., 20% of whites identify as irreligious, and 15% of blacks do. I don't see a 5 percentage point difference as all that significant. Not to the point that you can "blame" black religious belief on low intelligence.

The number of French that are atheists is 33%. Do the French have a higher average IQ than Americans? No.

There are other factors that influence religiosity. Intelligence is hardly the only one. For example, irreligiosity is elevated in countries that were former communist nations, such as E. Germany. Are East Germans more likely to be atheists because they are more intelligent than W. Germans? Or because there is a history of deliberate government policies of suppressing religious thought? You could say the same with China or Cuba. America has always been fervently relgious compared to the rest of the West. This was even noted by De Toqueville in the 1800s. And it was most likely due to the ideology of its founding stock and their culture. Intelligence differences between white Americans and white Europeans has little to do with the differences in religiosity. And rates of religious identification between black Americans and white Americans is still pretty comparable.

No doubt there are more drivers behind religosity than IQ, but that's a strawman.

My point, and it's a generalized one, is that when one is seeking an explanation for a phenomenon--Occam's razor and empirical findings take precedence over unfalsifiable "just-so" stories.

Thus, in returning to the particular discussion at hand, if we are going to turn to an explanation for high black American religosity, the parsimonious and empirical explanation would be the IQ-Religion correlation, not a just-so story about venue-provisioning for cultural identity.

In addition to the 20%/15% numbers you mentioned, other indicators of high black American religosity include:

Quote:...nearly eight-in-ten African-Americans (79%) say religion is very important in their lives, compared with 56% among all U.S. adults. In fact, even a large majority (72%) of African-Americans who are unaffiliated with any particular faith say religion plays at least a somewhat important role in their lives; nearly half (45%) of unaffiliated African-Americans say religion is very important in their lives, roughly three times the percentage who says this among the religiously unaffiliated population overall (16%). Indeed, on this measure, unaffiliated African-Americans more closely resemble the overall population of Catholics (56% say religion is very important) and mainline Protestants (52%).

...While the U.S. is generally considered a highly religious nation, African-Americans are markedly more religious on a variety of measures than the U.S. population as a whole, including level of affiliation with a religion, attendance at religious services, frequency of prayer and religion's importance in life.

Correlation not being causation is its own hackneyed cliche nowadays. Correlation does not conclude causation, but it's the ultimate smoking gun.

All the handwringing over individual examples doesn't change the general trend, one example of which would be:


Of course, all of this does not prove that high black American religosity is explained by IQ, but parsimony and its empirical grounding would suggest that it should be a top candidate as an explicator until/unless better ones are found, and is a reasonable one in and of itself without alternative explicators.

As an aside, I think religosity, all else equal, is a net benevolent influence on society. The pathologies of secular white Americans are well-skewered on this forum.

Post: #42

why do they need a white union when they have fraternities? seriously... one of the traditions at my college's top tier fraternities was that they were all notoriously ALL rich and white.

Post: #43

(06-19-2013 07:43 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  [...]
I am Mexican-American, and this is not what unifies us. [...]
As for strangers in a strange land...dude the Southwest was once Mexico's.

this. your grand Unifying Force

Post: #44

(06-19-2013 08:55 PM)the chef Wrote:  why do they need a white union when they have fraternities? seriously... one of the traditions at my college's top tier fraternities was that they were all notoriously ALL rich and white.

Fraternities are one of the last bastions in this country where white men can assemble and socialize as a group, for better or worse. It's no surprise, then, that they are being increasingly attacked and vilified.

This story is a good example: http://www.alternet.org/culture/fraterni...ggot-ngger

The gist of the story: a fraternity was mailed dozens of boxes addressed to "Reggin Toggaf" ("Faggot Nigger" spelled backwards). The fraternity realized that they did not order these boxes, and requested the postman to stop delivering them. He refused, saying he needed to get them out of his truck. A fraternity member then told him that it was a prank. The postman, who was black, took this to mean that the prank was on HIM. In actuality, the prank was on the fraternity. The boxes had been mailed by an unknown party to them.

However, fraternities are so vilified by anti-white, anti-male activists (cultural Marxists) that somehow being mailed a package with the words "Faggot Nigger" spelled backwards makes you guilty of the worst sort of bigotry.

Look at some of the comments from that story:

Quote:"First, the national fraternity should close down that house and make all its members homeless (at least til they can tap their trust funds). The owner should sell the house to the university for $1 and it should become the home of the university's student cultural center -- the exact opposite of the uncultured homophobes now living there."

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"Take their freaking Phi Delta Theta charter away NOW and then expel / prosecute the punk assed pricks. So the KKK has a chapter at University of Chicago within the Phi Delta Theta frat, dismantle them! There is no place for this garbage in society yet alone from students at a major university, a place of higher learning, this is despicable."

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"These asshats should at the very least be expelled from the University of Chicago and the Fraternity shutdown permanently. This is inexcusable. If we had proper anti-racism laws in this nation like in Europe, stupid college kids would think twice about conducting themselves in this idiotic matter or face fines and jail time, which they royally deserve. They've stepped beyond what is civil in terms of freedom of expression."

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"I love this. These people actually think they're superior because they are white and male. The 'new demographics' can't move fast enough for me."

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"WOW! I can't believe that the U of Chgo is admitting such "white trash"! The US Postal Service should press criminal charges! Then watch and see how these spineless cowards cry like babies when faced with a felony record!"

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"This is a perfect example of the elitist mentality of t-baggers. Similar to what romney did cutting the kids hair, all under the guise of a joke.

Pathetic. I hope they are all charged and the frat is closed."

Look at the hatred coming from those quotes, then realize that is all being generated from a fraternity being mailed a package. They didn't even do anything. If you're a fraternity these days, all it takes you smear you in the media is your address. I mail you a package addressed to Faggot Nigger, and suddenly you're the racist homophobe who deserves to burn in hell. That's how out of control the anti-fraternity (which as I pointed out earlier, is simply anti-white, anti-male) cultural Marxist culture is at the moment, and it's only getting worse. I honestly would not be surprised if fraternities are banned outright within the next two decades, or else neutered into some unrecognizable form that turns them into little more than multicultural student clubs with fancy names.

Post: #45

(06-19-2013 07:43 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  I am Mexican-American, and this is not what unifies us.

I am not even sure if there is anything that unifies us other than our Mexican culture, and that is slowly dissolving away an being replaced with mainstream American culture.

As for strangers in a strange land...dude the Southwest was once Mexico's.

You just proved my point.

Your culture alone is not a sufficient unifying symbol, which is why Mexicans and Latinos are becoming increasingly Americanized and intermarrying with Whites and Blacks.

Your unifying symbol was the migration, which is exactly why it is not holding up for subsequent generations born in the United States. They don't share the immigrant experience as a racial and cultural symbol, and they aren't beaten over the head with it in their youth the same way that Jews are with the Holocaust and blacks are with slavery and civil rights discrimination.

Post: #46

I think the important underlying point is we can't reach a well-functioning world based on finding groups to hate and killing each other.

Nothing wrong with liking some cultural achievement like Italian Opera or American Black Jazz.

It's when people start ranting about the "bad guys" and how we have to kill them you end with horrific slaughters like WW2.

Post: #47

Quote:If whites do not wake up to this fact, the white race will become extinct as a distinct phenotypic sub-group of homo sapiens within a century due to race mixing and simply being out-bred by more fertile races.

Great post. But on this final point, not necessarily.

It is extremely unlikely that whites will die out completely, since white women mostly prefer white men. The thing that is causing a die-off of white populations today is that most white women are filthy whores who slut it up, abort all their kids, and die with no offspring or just one child.

In fact, if white women were having more children, even with men of other races, it would help keep the white race going for a lot longer because the descendants of white-mixed couples could still procreate with other whites and then those children would be 75% white (and they will look completely white).

But the way things are going right now, white women prefer white men; and if they do not get a white man of their dreams (i.e. extreme hypergamy) then they just die cat-ladies. Currently, the white population is dying off for the same reason the Japanese population is dying off.

Even if the whites form some sort of racial solidarity in the next 50 years, it will not matter unless it is accompanied by some sort of strong "Family first" value.

Post: #48

^^^ I agree with Samseau here. Feminism and all the demographic ills that flow from it is the number one existential threat to white people. If there were some white consciousness movement and it launched an assault on feminist values without any hate toward non-whites then that would be fine by me.

I do have to wonder though, why is fertility rate so low in Russia if feminism has not taken hold there.

Post: #49

(06-19-2013 11:18 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  ^^^ I agree with Samseau here. Feminism and all the demographic ills that flow from it is the number one existential threat to white people. If there were some white consciousness movement and it launched an assault on feminist values without any hate toward non-whites then that would be fine by me.

I do have to wonder though, why is fertility rate so low in Russia if feminism has not taken hold there.

From the chart below rate has gone up since 1998 when there was a financial crisis.

Also, I think it's not so simple as "feminism or not"; the female friends I had in Ukraine were still feminine, but their standards for men had gone up in a way similar to feminists-- I think that's due to improved economy making the competition tougher amongst males, more of whom have more money.

Post: #50

(06-19-2013 11:18 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  ^^^ I agree with Samseau here. Feminism and all the demographic ills that flow from it is the number one existential threat to white people. If there were some white consciousness movement and it launched an assault on feminist values without any hate toward non-whites then that would be fine by me.

I do have to wonder though, why is fertility rate so low in Russia if feminism has not taken hold there.

Low birth rate in Russia is b/c of the collapse of USSR. Economic depression, a depressing life and a shift away from religion which are not conducive to making people want to have kids.

However birth rates in Russia have been on the rise in recent years, TFR still below 2.1, but it is growing. Some credit Putin and his polices for this increase and others think its because of the increasing presence of high-fecund muslim populations.