Post: #1

Just finished watching this Vice mini documentary:





The reactions to this confused me. I seriously don't see any problem with what these guys are doing; they don't sponsor any evident racial hate, nor do they advocate white supremacy or violence. This genuinely just seems like a white iteration of an Asian, Black, or Hispanic student association. Furthermore, the arguments put forward by the union's black opponents were borderline retarded, especially the whole bit about how "white people invented genocide"...the fuck?

I don't get exposed to this due to my location, but damn...the amount of furor over the whole affair is idiotic. My prayers to the poor souls stuck in PC shitholes like this.

Post: #2

Personally, I really don't care about white people coming together for a "White Union." Let them commit social suicide. Further, what the hell do they have to talk about? You need another qualifier to have any real discussion - like gay whites or poor whites. Then, it really isn't about whiteness so much as being gay or poor.

As far as the hatred is concerned it seems to situated around certain people needing to remain victims in order to bolster their self-identity. I just talked about this on RoK.

However, the idea of unions for ethnic minorities is a good idea in theory, but the problem is the execution. Often times, the community becomes a hotbed for narcissistic self-delusion - along the lines of my most recent RoK post.

Nobody should feel guilty for their ethnicity or race. However, the healthiest way of viewing yourself positively is to value yourself for your mutable qualities (your decisions as a person) rather than immutable ones (race or sexual orientation).

Take pride in starting a successful business as a person who worked hard and achieved. I could be butchering the psychology here, but understand the mutable qualities of your life should come before your immutable ones.

Post: #3

Well, so, an interesting question would be - why would they require a separate qualifier to talk about their experiences? What makes the white experience any less worthwhile to talk about than the black or Asian experience?

Post: #4

(06-19-2013 02:59 AM)aphelion Wrote:  Well, so, an interesting question would be - why would they require a separate qualifier to talk about their experiences? What makes the white experience any less worthwhile to talk about than the black or Asian experience?

Exactly. I too don't really see the need for racially-based student unions--I think grouping based on race is typically a stupid idea--but castigating white unions based on some dumbass connotation of racism is idiotic. It's a stupid double standard and one that will bite American society in the ass if it isn't fixed.

Post: #5

When I watched this video I noticed he was wearing a t-shirt with Ian Smith (PM of Rhodesia) on it. I said to myself: "Is he wearing a shirt of Ian Smith", then chuckled and thought "Shit, the fact I know right away that's Ian Smith says a shitload more about me than it does of him".

This guy almost looks like a doppelganger of me, which is funny because many people think I look Jewish, creating this weird situation where Jews think I'm a racist while Anti-semites and White Nationalists think I am a Jew.

Post: #6

"White American" is a broad fucking brush. You really have to be specific with the culture and ethnicity, while also having sizable or noticeable numbers to work. A 'Jewish-American' group works for obvious reasons, so would 'African-American', 'Chinese-American', or a 'Italian-American'. American traits and culture (for the most part) are dominate throughout race (not class though) so having a 'White-American' group sounds dumb to me.

What is your dominate culture? Are your rachet like rural whites in Montana? What things can you say are uniquely white American?

Post: #7

There is already a white people's organization. It is called the Ku Klux Klan.

Post: #8

I think white people in America can have questions about what their culture is which is logical because they are usually a mix of several backrounds be it Irish, German, Italian, etc. with generations between them and their family from Europe. I dont know how much a white student group would help in that effort to try and figure out white culture in America is but obviously some people feel like they need it. Personally I am slightly envious of my Italian cousins in Italy because they never have to question what culture they are or come from because they have lived in the same place as their family before them for hundreds of years. To be white in America is to have no clear cut culture as we are melting pot of many different European cultures and while there are many benefits to this but I can see why it could create an cultural identity issue for some white Americans.

Post: #9

Why shouldn't black students have the same problem, given the several generations since their parents came from varied African countries?

Post: #10

I've never been to a campus where white people needed a specific group for them to get together. Most university students are white, which means most of the teams and student organisations are white. Just about every campus activity is a majority white activity.

I was a member of 2 student groups at my school, the black student group and the Muslim student group. The black student group was just somewhere I went to so I could have a normal conversation and get away from the usual questions I was asked on a routine basis - did I know I was accepted just because of affirmative action/basketball/football, what was it like to grow up "in da hood", have I ever been arrested, could I sell somebody some weed... Somehow I don't feel like a white student would need that escape.

Though to be fair, I was a member of the Muslim student group because they always had damn good food at their meetings. If this white student group had a decent meal involved, I'd probably show up (and confuse everybody while I'm at it).

Post: #11

(06-19-2013 09:11 AM)lurker Wrote:  Why shouldn't black students have the same problem, given the several generations since their parents came from varied African countries?

I can only speculate cause I am not black but I think maybe those black student groups could provide a place for black students to have a cultural identity. I personally believe part of the reason black people in America value the role of church in their lives is because it provides a cultural idenity to black Americans which maybe they dont find easily in other places.

Post: #12

(06-19-2013 09:37 AM)bacon Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:11 AM)lurker Wrote:  Why shouldn't black students have the same problem, given the several generations since their parents came from varied African countries?

I can only speculate cause I am not black but I think maybe those black student groups could provide a place for black students to have a cultural identity. I personally believe part of the reason black people in America value the role of church in their lives is because it provides a cultural idenity to black Americans which maybe they dont find easily in other places.

There is a much more parsimonious, empirically verifiable explanation. Religosity has been seen to be negatively correlated with IQ across a variety of stratifications (e.g. both across and within nations); American blacks have lower average IQ compared to other population groups.

Post: #13

All of these student unions are fucking retarded and divisive. They serve no purpose whatsoever. They are just by-products of the 60's generation when students thought it would be cool to be political, and started making tons of activist groups.

It's a leftover idea from a failed age.

Post: #14

I don't care about this.

If they want a white students union, then so be it. As long as the white student union is not advocating violence or other illegal acts, who cares. It seems like the people who formed the white student union in the vid the OP embedded want attention, and the people outraged by this are just giving them what they want.

Post: #15

(06-19-2013 12:18 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:37 AM)bacon Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:11 AM)lurker Wrote:  Why shouldn't black students have the same problem, given the several generations since their parents came from varied African countries?

I can only speculate cause I am not black but I think maybe those black student groups could provide a place for black students to have a cultural identity. I personally believe part of the reason black people in America value the role of church in their lives is because it provides a cultural idenity to black Americans which maybe they dont find easily in other places.

There is a much more parsimonious, empirically verifiable explanation. Religosity has been seen to be negatively correlated with IQ across a variety of stratifications (e.g. both across and within nations); American blacks have lower average IQ compared to other population groups.

Absolute rubbish. White Americans are far more religious than Europeans. Both have mean IQs of 100.

Post: #16

No Irish need apply.

Post: #17

(06-19-2013 01:11 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 12:18 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:37 AM)bacon Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:11 AM)lurker Wrote:  Why shouldn't black students have the same problem, given the several generations since their parents came from varied African countries?

I can only speculate cause I am not black but I think maybe those black student groups could provide a place for black students to have a cultural identity. I personally believe part of the reason black people in America value the role of church in their lives is because it provides a cultural idenity to black Americans which maybe they dont find easily in other places.

There is a much more parsimonious, empirically verifiable explanation. Religosity has been seen to be negatively correlated with IQ across a variety of stratifications (e.g. both across and within nations); American blacks have lower average IQ compared to other population groups.

Absolute rubbish. White Americans are far more religious than Europeans. Both have mean IQs of 100.

Unless the correlation is -1 or +1, you can always cherry pick individual data points that buck the trend (by definition) but the relationship still holds.

Europe is heterogenous for IQ across countries.

You can fact check this via Google instead of reacting knee-jerkedly.

Post: #18

Racial minority groups in the U.S. find it very unsettling when white people demonstrate racial consciousness. If white people begin to see themselves as a homogenous ethnic and cultural group the way that Jews, American blacks and Mexicans do, the fear is that whites will re-awaken their largely dormant racist feelings. In a society that has become as multicultural and ethnically diverse as the modern United States, any such resurgence of white racial animosity towards minority groups would obviously have the potential to be enormously disruptive to the status quo.

This is the reason that white racial identity is essentially a taboo in American culture, while racial minority groups are encouraged to identify ethnically and form support networks base on their racial background.

The idea is that white people do not need any ethnic or racial solidarity, because they are already the dominant racial group in the country, while other ethnic groups, having smaller numbers and being more vulnerable to discrimination from the white majority have the necessity of falling back on racial and ethnic support.

The fear of white racial consciousness by minority groups is somewhat understandable given the history of the past century and further back into the slave era (After all, the last time a white nation became animated with racial consciousness it took practically the entirety of Europe as well as two superpowers to put them down).

However, just because it is understandable doesn't mean whites will tolerate it forever. I predict the next few decades will see a resurgence of white racial consciousness, as more whites in both the U.S. and Europe wake up to the realization that they are being displaced from their own country by fast-breeding immigrants. When that happens, you'll have decades' worth of simmering racial resentment boiling over all at once. It won't be pretty.

Post: #19

I turned it off after a minute because the guy seemed like a loser.

Post: #20

(06-19-2013 02:08 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Racial minority groups in the U.S. find it very unsettling when white people demonstrate racial consciousness. If white people begin to see themselves as a homogenous ethnic and cultural group the way that Jews, American blacks and Mexicans do, the fear is that whites will re-awaken their largely dormant racist feelings. In a society that has become as multicultural and ethnically diverse as the modern United States, any such resurgence of white racial animosity towards minority groups would obviously have the potential to be enormously disruptive to the status quo.

This is the reason that white racial identity is essentially a taboo in American culture, while racial minority groups are encouraged to identify ethnically and form support networks base on their racial background.

The idea is that white people do not need any ethnic or racial solidarity, because they are already the dominant racial group in the country, while other ethnic groups, having smaller numbers and being more vulnerable to discrimination from the white majority have the necessity of falling back on racial and ethnic support.

The fear of white racial consciousness by minority groups is somewhat understandable given the history of the past century and further back into the slave era (After all, the last time a white nation became animated with racial consciousness it took practically the entirety of Europe as well as two superpowers to put them down).

However, just because it is understandable doesn't mean whites will tolerate it forever. I predict the next few decades will see a resurgence of white racial consciousness, as more whites in both the U.S. and Europe wake up to the realization that they are being displaced from their own country by fast-breeding immigrants. When that happens, you'll have decades' worth of simmering racial resentment boiling over all at once. It won't be pretty.

American blacks are not all the same. I don't buy into this thing that all white Americans are the same. My cousins in the states have little in common with African-Americans and aren't delusional in thinking they are the same.

White American culture that was the norm in the old days when America was 90% white is long gone and marginalized to rural and generally poorer parts of the country. SWPLs want nothing to do with it as its low class so instead perpetuate a 'white American' meme they can't define.

Jewish Americas for instance can clearly define cultural and ethnic quirks, rituals, religon, symbols, and stylings that persist within the culture. African-American can still do this as well even though many of the classic thugs have been run into the ground.

This is no dominate cohesive White American culture. There is a classic Ameican culture that was white but that has largey disappeard.

At my school there are to many groups. But a good chunk of them do a good job and basically hold the group to projecting and teaching thier cultural styles and keeping a open pipeline for networking which IMO is the best part of it. The Filipino groups big thing is holding cooking classes to teach people about thier cuisines with the end thing being a big pot luck supper and party. The Black student group since its so large and full of folks from evrey corner where you have anybody whom identifys as Black simply focus on development and networking. Keeping a pipeline of successfully black students in the Rolodex to help out the new crop of students. They just have pub nights and parties they leave culture out of it all because there is really no point in doing so.

This can work in Canada because your expected to keep your cultural quirks instead of leaving them at the door in America (this is a good thing and bad thing in Canada, far from perfect). I have a hard time believing many could give a detailed list of uniquely 'White American' culture.

Americans struggle to pick race and culture apart like that though. You couldn't have either of those groups i detailed be successful in America since Americnans are barley better with race then a toddler in shock from seeing a person of colour for the first time.

Post: #21

Quote:This is no dominate cohesive White American culture. There is a classic Ameican culture that was white but that has largey disappeard.

Simply untrue. I know the rules of white culture and I can go anywhere in the US, as a white man, where there are white people and I know how to act/behave in order to get what I want.

The only significant difference in whites today are the division between SWPL and prole types, other than that it's shockingly easy to anticipate how a white person will act.

Post: #22

(06-19-2013 01:37 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 01:11 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 12:18 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:37 AM)bacon Wrote:  

(06-19-2013 09:11 AM)lurker Wrote:  Why shouldn't black students have the same problem, given the several generations since their parents came from varied African countries?

I can only speculate cause I am not black but I think maybe those black student groups could provide a place for black students to have a cultural identity. I personally believe part of the reason black people in America value the role of church in their lives is because it provides a cultural idenity to black Americans which maybe they dont find easily in other places.

There is a much more parsimonious, empirically verifiable explanation. Religosity has been seen to be negatively correlated with IQ across a variety of stratifications (e.g. both across and within nations); American blacks have lower average IQ compared to other population groups.

Absolute rubbish. White Americans are far more religious than Europeans. Both have mean IQs of 100.

Unless the correlation is -1 or +1, you can always cherry pick individual data points that buck the trend (by definition) but the relationship still holds.

Europe is heterogenous for IQ across countries.

You can fact check this via Google instead of reacting knee-jerkedly.

Who is giving knee-jerk answers? I think you are oversimplying what is a complex sociological issue. I'm well aware that irreligiosity is often correlated with intelligence, but correlation of course is not causation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_...ted_States

In the U.S., 20% of whites identify as irreligious, and 15% of blacks do. I don't see a 5 percentage point difference as all that significant. Not to the point that you can "blame" black religious belief on low intelligence.

The number of French that are atheists is 33%. Do the French have a higher average IQ than Americans? No.

There are other factors that influence religiosity. Intelligence is hardly the only one. For example, irreligiosity is elevated in countries that were former communist nations, such as E. Germany. Are East Germans more likely to be atheists because they are more intelligent than W. Germans? Or because there is a history of deliberate government policies of suppressing religious thought? You could say the same with China or Cuba. America has always been fervently relgious compared to the rest of the West. This was even noted by De Toqueville in the 1800s. And it was most likely due to the ideology of its founding stock and their culture. Intelligence differences between white Americans and white Europeans has little to do with the differences in religiosity. And rates of religious identification between black Americans and white Americans is still pretty comparable.

Post: #23

While I support the idea of participating in a white student union, or rather, I wouldn't try to stop anyone from taking part in one (really don't give a fuck), this guy in the video is a reactionary dildo.

"Oh 90 percent of crime is committed by black males so I'm gonna go patrol campus with the rest of my dildo friends"

As the NYC radio personality Charlamagne Tha God would say, what a waste of good white skin.

Post: #24

(06-19-2013 02:08 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Racial minority groups in the U.S. find it very unsettling when white people demonstrate racial consciousness. If white people begin to see themselves as a homogenous ethnic and cultural group the way that Jews, American blacks and Mexicans do, the fear is that whites will re-awaken their largely dormant racist feelings. In a society that has become as multicultural and ethnically diverse as the modern United States, any such resurgence of white racial animosity towards minority groups would obviously have the potential to be enormously disruptive to the status quo.

This is the reason that white racial identity is essentially a taboo in American culture, while racial minority groups are encouraged to identify ethnically and form support networks base on their racial background.

The idea is that white people do not need any ethnic or racial solidarity, because they are already the dominant racial group in the country, while other ethnic groups, having smaller numbers and being more vulnerable to discrimination from the white majority have the necessity of falling back on racial and ethnic support.

The fear of white racial consciousness by minority groups is somewhat understandable given the history of the past century and further back into the slave era (After all, the last time a white nation became animated with racial consciousness it took practically the entirety of Europe as well as two superpowers to put them down).

However, just because it is understandable doesn't mean whites will tolerate it forever. I predict the next few decades will see a resurgence of white racial consciousness, as more whites in both the U.S. and Europe wake up to the realization that they are being displaced from their own country by fast-breeding immigrants. When that happens, you'll have decades' worth of simmering racial resentment boiling over all at once. It won't be pretty.

With the global desegregation movement of the 60s too many people today are mixed and few will invest time and resources to fight some race war that's been touted for the past 60 years by the 'race conscious' folks.

Canada has become intermixed racially and culturally, there are so many mixed race/ethnic unions that I'm not sure how anyone can pick allegiances in 50 years time. America is getting there, they had a bit more of a rough history intergrating their non white minorities but they've more or less gotten there, even if many were kicking and screaming in the process.

People will be too busy making money, figuring how to fuck each other, and watching sports to become race conscious.

Remember Trayvon Martin? Barely right? Some people were saying there was going to be race riots? Fuck that. People nowadays are busy working, fucking, and keeping up with social media, they don't have time to start race riots over a dead black kid. Or a white one for that matter.

White student union? Good for them. A good place to pick up women.

I'm half white, where do i join?

Post: #25

(06-19-2013 02:34 PM)kosko Wrote:  White American culture that was the norm in the old days when America was 90% white is long gone and marginalized to rural and generally poorer parts of the country. SWPLs want nothing to do with it as its low class so instead perpetuate a 'white American' meme they can't define.
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This is no dominate cohesive White American culture. There is a classic Ameican culture that was white but that has largey disappeard.

Utter bullshit. You're simply repeating anti-white propaganda from Cultural Marxists whose purpose is to convince whites that they don't have a racial identity and it would be shameful for them to do so, while at the same time encouraging every other group that they should have racial solidarity and push for their interests on an explicitly racial platform.

The purpose is obvious- to prevent whites from organizing as whites and protecting their interests, thus weakening them with the ultimate goal of disempowering them

Quote:This can work in Canada because your expected to keep your cultural quirks instead of leaving them at the door in America (this is a good thing and bad thing in Canada, far from perfect). I have a hard time believing many could give a detailed list of uniquely 'White American' culture.

Americans struggle to pick race and culture apart like that though. You couldn't have either of those groups i detailed be successful in America since Americnans are barley better with race then a toddler in shock from seeing a person of colour for the first time.

Your ignorance, bigotry and hostility to white people is showing.