Post: #351

(07-06-2013 07:00 AM)slubu Wrote:  Well I can once again confirm that ONS are possible in Kiev, as my buddy and I did that again last night with a pair of 20yo cousins. However, it was after a bottle of vodka, a bottle of champagne, some absinthe shots, and at the end of the club night, so let's just say the quality could have been much better. I don't know how it's possible but I don't even feel hungover this morning.

See, that is what I was saying the whole time.

Plow them full of booze on a first date. It worked.

Why don't you do this all the time?

(07-06-2013 05:29 AM)The Duke Wrote:  This is what I was going to say. I know the stereotype of Ukrainian women is that they are cold, but in my experience, which is limited to one LTR, I found a girl who became very warm and affectionate after a couple months of dating.

Ha. Damn. A "couple months"?

Hell, even Icebergs melt in summertime.

Post: #352

(07-06-2013 10:02 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-06-2013 07:00 AM)slubu Wrote:  Well I can once again confirm that ONS are possible in Kiev, as my buddy and I did that again last night with a pair of 20yo cousins. However, it was after a bottle of vodka, a bottle of champagne, some absinthe shots, and at the end of the club night, so let's just say the quality could have been much better. I don't know how it's possible but I don't even feel hungover this morning.

See, that is what I was saying the whole time.

Plow them full of booze on a first date. It worked.

Why don't you do this all the time?

It wasn't a date, we met them at the club. These girls were pretty slutty. Way too good at sex for their ages..

Post: #353

(07-06-2013 10:27 AM)slubu Wrote:  

(07-06-2013 10:02 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-06-2013 07:00 AM)slubu Wrote:  Well I can once again confirm that ONS are possible in Kiev, as my buddy and I did that again last night with a pair of 20yo cousins. However, it was after a bottle of vodka, a bottle of champagne, some absinthe shots, and at the end of the club night, so let's just say the quality could have been much better. I don't know how it's possible but I don't even feel hungover this morning.

See, that is what I was saying the whole time.

Plow them full of booze on a first date. It worked.

Why don't you do this all the time?

It wasn't a date, we met them at the club. These girls were pretty slutty. Way too good at sex for their ages..

Same premise applies.

Post: #354

(07-06-2013 10:27 AM)slubu Wrote:  These girls were pretty slutty. Way too good at sex for their ages..

Another great bumper sticker/t-shirt line.

I think I need to start a thread for these.

Post: #355

(07-06-2013 10:37 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-06-2013 10:27 AM)slubu Wrote:  

(07-06-2013 10:02 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-06-2013 07:00 AM)slubu Wrote:  Well I can once again confirm that ONS are possible in Kiev, as my buddy and I did that again last night with a pair of 20yo cousins. However, it was after a bottle of vodka, a bottle of champagne, some absinthe shots, and at the end of the club night, so let's just say the quality could have been much better. I don't know how it's possible but I don't even feel hungover this morning.

See, that is what I was saying the whole time.

Plow them full of booze on a first date. It worked.

Why don't you do this all the time?

It wasn't a date, we met them at the club. These girls were pretty slutty. Way too good at sex for their ages..

Same premise applies.

Wouldn't work in my opinion. I've been on countless dates since here...not one had more than 2 drinks. I've ordered bottles of wine several times too, and I drink all of it besides 2 glasses or just let the rest go to waste. It's just like Roosh said, on dates they nurse the shit out of it. There are of course exceptions but that is the general rule.

I've tried dive bars, high end lounges, clubs, cafes, etc. Also the girls last night are not the type of girls that I would take out on a date...they were the type of girls that were down to fuck and I was drunk and it was 4am. It was just a pleasant surprise they both banged like champions.

Post: #356

(07-06-2013 05:37 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:Roosh do you find kiev worst than Kharkov?
Tell us stories.

I'm not as anonymous as I was last time I was here. I suspect one girl I'm dating to be reading this right now, or on the verge of finding out.

Quote:who became very warm and affectionate after a couple months of dating

!!! My average relationship is a couple months. I need the good stuff within a couple weeks max. Romania, Colombia, Brazil, Poland has that. Croatia and Baltics to a lesser extent.

I have been to Moscow and will suggest it as an alternative... the wealth and population density of NYC, magnet to all the most talented and many of the most attractive women in Russia - similar to NYC in open attitudes and quite open to international men. You may be surprised at the difference between Kiev, Odessa and Ukraine in general compared to Moscow...

Post: #357

Problem with Moscow might be bankroll.

Post: #358

Surprisingly, but the most beautiful girls I've seen in Russia were in Rostov. In Ukraine, Lviv provides the most attractive girls. Although, many of them prefer to move to Kyiv over time.

Post: #359

(07-05-2013 08:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I've almost been here one month and I'm starting to miss Romania. The girls there were so warm and affectionate compared to Ukrainian girls that now I'm a bit torn about how to proceed. Even the warmest Ukrainian girl can't really compare with an average warmth Romanian, and I really like my girls affectionate and sweet.

Wow, wish I hadn't read this, not after going back and forth choosing between Kiev and Bucharest for the past 6 months.

Post: #360

(07-05-2013 08:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I've almost been here one month and I'm starting to miss Romania. The girls there were so warm and affectionate compared to Ukrainian girls that now I'm a bit torn about how to proceed. Even the warmest Ukrainian girl can't really compare with an average warmth Romanian, and I really like my girls affectionate and sweet.

I know someone will say "It takes time with a Ukrainian," but even with time, she won't reach the level of Romanian or even Polish. I don't know.

RUSSIA

Post: #361

(07-06-2013 10:16 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  I have been to Moscow and will suggest it as an alternative... the wealth and population density of NYC, magnet to all the most talented and many of the most attractive women in Russia -

+1. Every dump from Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky to Krasnodar sends its finest and hottest to Moscow for a chance at Bright Lights Big City.

Post: #362

I am not sure how you sponsor your travels.Everyday in Kiev costs 150 euro at least so staying there for a month has to cost 5000 euro if you include tickets as well.

Post: #363

Plus accommodation (minimum 1200€/month for a semi-decent one room apartment).

The lifestyle of dating girls, eating in restaurants, going out a lot and paying drinks (even if it s sometimes just to self) costs and adds up quickly. In a city as Kiev, which is definitely not cheap if you want to live by western standarts and if you go out in trendy venues, 150 €/day for the running costs (on average, sometimes you spend less, and sometimes you spend more) is IMO a minimum. As a side note, with this budget you live like a rockstar in Tashkent.

Post: #364

It is worth in my opinion only if you can fuck a new girl every two maximum 3 days.Otherwise province is better,

Post: #365

Slubu, can you give us an approximate idea of what you are spending every week in the Ukraine?

Post: #366

(07-07-2013 02:04 PM)speeddemon Wrote:  Slubu, can you give us an approximate idea of what you are spending every week in the Ukraine?

Hard to give a very accurate accounting, but...

280/week in housing (my portion of a very nice 2 bedroom apartment in a prime area)
100/week in dates
250/week in going out for night game (drinks, taxis, cover)
150/week in food (overestimated, I have no idea on this)

So maybe 780/week US Dollars max? One note is I am here with a friend, so there is probably a cost savings in doing everything for 2 (housing, food, tables at clubs, taxis, etc.). But I don't see the need to spend 150 Euro/day to have fun here.

For instance tonight I know my cost will be about 80 bucks for the whole night, drinks and taxi included. The night we brought back the cousins my cost was 55 bucks all inclusive.

I did the super high end club (D'lux) table once last time. Cost us 700 or so total, so 350/each. Plus cover of whatever it was. Only thing it got me was a trickster prostitute that didn't disclose herself until two hours after hanging out and making out with me. By then I had given up on all other girls and it was late and I went home alone. With my limited sample I can't say if this is a trend or not, just my observation. I've been to two of the other higher end places here (actually "ranked" above D'lux) and wasn't able to do much in either. I will say though the girls were pretty fucking hot.

Obviously you can spend a lot if you want. I went to dinner a few nights ago and it was $100 for 2 people. But we usually cook ourselves and do grocery shopping. I just bought a bottle of my favorite Ukrainian vodka for $7, 0.7L. The most expensive 10 eggs costs $1.80. Meat is pretty cheap here, hovers at $1/100g in the supermarket.

Post: #367

Only 100 per week on dates? With this spending it is very difficult to have results.I guess that guys like prosal spend 100-200 per day on dates.
You also save by spending half on apartment and taxis.This is not true for guys who go solo.(apartment costs 60 euro per day minimum and taxi to any club if you cross the river is over 8 euro).

Post: #368

Let's say 4-5 dates a week. I take them to Arena or a cafe near my place. I get a beer (55 hrivnas max), they get coffee or a drink (50 hrivnas), I will maybe have a salmon tartar or she will have a pastry (50-99 hrivnas). So 150-200 hrvinas, or about $20-25/date. The odd thing is I don't even mind spending more. But that's the usual cost. I've had 4 girls come back after such dates to my apartment, I've banged 1, 1 made out with, 1 fingered, 1 breast grab/makeout. Of the 3 I haven't banged, 2 went to their home cities and 1 is still in the works.

Admittedly, I am relatively new to Ukraine. I've been in Kiev a total of 40 days now. Are you stating and/or implying spending more means they will all fuck? I'm not doubting you, I'm curious. There are places that the prices of everything are maybe 1.5 - 2x as much, but Arena is 5 min walk to my flat so I like that area.

Post: #369

4-5 dates in the week are very few.You need 3 dates at least per day to see results.One dinner date and 2 coffee dates.

Post: #370

(07-07-2013 02:23 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  Only 100 per week on dates? With this spending it is very difficult to have results.I guess that guys like prosal spend 100-200 per day on dates.

Not exactly. I'm not stingy, but unless I have a girl who really needs this type of courtship, I usually don't take my first dates in money-obliterating places.

That said, for a thirsty party-goer, 250 $ on entrances and drinks in clubs per week sounds ridiculously low in a city which tries hard to be a little Moscow. A mojito in Sorry Babushka costs about 10 € (which means a minimum of 150 € spent if you are with an equally heavy drinking girl). In Carribean, a Black Label bottle costs some 180 €. And this is mid-level venues, I am not even talking about expensive glam clubs.

As a side note, a Filet Mignon costs some 40 € in Meat & Wine .... I don't mean that you have to necessarily take your dates in this kind of place, but it gives an idea of the prices in Kiev when you want to treat a girl worth it (and treat yourself) in a nice place. Good wines are also outrageously expensive. Kiev is definitely an expensive city. You can spend "budget vacations" there, but you'll live about like a backpacker - and score correspondingly girls. Nothing wrong with that, and as usual, to each its own, but it's very unlikely that you'll have success with high value targets if you don't have at least 150 € to spend on running costs.

Post: #371

(07-06-2013 10:27 AM)slubu Wrote:  

(07-06-2013 10:02 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-06-2013 07:00 AM)slubu Wrote:  Well I can once again confirm that ONS are possible in Kiev, as my buddy and I did that again last night with a pair of 20yo cousins. However, it was after a bottle of vodka, a bottle of champagne, some absinthe shots, and at the end of the club night, so let's just say the quality could have been much better. I don't know how it's possible but I don't even feel hungover this morning.

See, that is what I was saying the whole time.

Plow them full of booze on a first date. It worked.

Why don't you do this all the time?

It wasn't a date, we met them at the club. These girls were pretty slutty. Way too good at sex for their ages..

Welcome to the world of the English language/foreigner groupies. Came across a feisty one on one of my previous travels to Kiev back in 2011.

Post: #372

(07-07-2013 03:09 PM)slubu Wrote:  Let's say 4-5 dates a week. I take them to Arena or a cafe near my place. I get a beer (55 hrivnas max), they get coffee or a drink (50 hrivnas), I will maybe have a salmon tartar or she will have a pastry (50-99 hrivnas). So 150-200 hrvinas, or about $20-25/date. The odd thing is I don't even mind spending more. But that's the usual cost. I've had 4 girls come back after such dates to my apartment, I've banged 1, 1 made out with, 1 fingered, 1 breast grab/makeout. Of the 3 I haven't banged, 2 went to their home cities and 1 is still in the works.

Admittedly, I am relatively new to Ukraine. I've been in Kiev a total of 40 days now. Are you stating and/or implying spending more means they will all fuck? I'm not doubting you, I'm curious. There are places that the prices of everything are maybe 1.5 - 2x as much, but Arena is 5 min walk to my flat so I like that area.

Wow, 40 days straight and you still haven't gotten tired of the daily grind? That's a lot of time to spend in one place just for dating. I feel someone with decent grasp of a foreign language and the finances to indulge in their hobbies, i.e., travel should need no more than 3 weeks in a place for dating and to start understanding the culture, no?

Btw, I am in Yalta right now winding down my UA trip of 12 days. 1.5 of those days met with a forum member RulerK, blanked out/passed out on both of them after going hard and also made the "obligatory" jump into club Ibiza pool with my cell phone so lost UA girls numbers I had gathered and multiple photo's but nevertheless an awesome time had especially doing stuff off the beaten path...Seeing RulerK do every type of game imaginable and number close girls in front of their jealous boyfriends (some of our street approaches he filmed might be posted here) and almost instant kino escalation was truly a spectacular sight. Mostly though the act of partying with "a local", who has mastered both local & foreign game, made the last couple days of my trip a blast! If you guys want to have a great time with a solid wing feel free to PM him.

Post: #373

(07-09-2013 04:57 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  .... also made the "obligatory" jump into club Ibiza pool with my cell phone so lost UA girls numbers I had gathered and multiple photo's but nevertheless an awesome time had especially doing stuff off the beaten path..

Any possibility your numbers and/or photos are saved on your memory card or on your google account?

Post: #374

I am the only here who fails to see the appeal of Ukraine. What I learned from reading this thread: The whole country is an industrial shit hole. The food sucks. Its not that cheap. The women aren't easy and they want to be wined and dined constantly. Many are gold diggers who would marry a bald midget 3x their age with the right bank account balance. Am I missing something? The FSU is a big area and it seems to me like there are greener pastures...

Post: #375

(07-07-2013 02:19 PM)slubu Wrote:  

(07-07-2013 02:04 PM)speeddemon Wrote:  Slubu, can you give us an approximate idea of what you are spending every week in the Ukraine?

I did the super high end club (D'lux) table once last time. Cost us 700 or so total, so 350/each. Plus cover of whatever it was. Only thing it got me was a trickster prostitute that didn't disclose herself until two hours after hanging out and making out with me. By then I had given up on all other girls and it was late and I went home alone. With my limited sample I can't say if this is a trend or not, just my observation. I've been to two of the other higher end places here (actually "ranked" above D'lux) and wasn't able to do much in either. I will say though the girls were pretty fucking hot.

i would say your experience is ACCURATE. Most women don't have money to go out. The higher paid working girls can afford t oonce i na while go out local cafe and regular club. The high end is going to be full of girls:
1. mafia girlfriends
2. foreigner took girl there.
3. prostitutes..non pro ones as well. Ukrainian hookers make a lot with the sex tourism. But the clubs often let them in and they give part of their earnings to bouncer, management,etc.
In a country of such contrasts it literally makes NO sense for a PUA to go high end. Sure, a local guy has the show off mentality but what does a foreign guy have to prove?
Remember every time you see a women of expensive clothing and tastes...you are seeing a women who has wrapped some beta around her fingers.