Guys, a Ukrainian 8.5 would be an American 9.5! I would stay for a chick like that an extra week, and see if I can change my plane ticket to a later date even if there is a fine(will couple hundred dollars or so really make your life that much harder?), and then if things progress well go to Poland at a later date and invite her to visit you in the future.

It's funny, I just wanted to do a live update of trying to get a ONS, and instead I've shared an 8,000 word drama that is still ongoing.

Do you think you're capable of a long-term relationship?

Or to conform more to the more´s of the forum:

Are you capable of being strong and not getting one-itis?

The most romantic Russian girl I fucked things up with was quite assertive that she wanted children with me. This was pre-Facewhore though.

Also, an old school metric for how solid her reliability is look at the professions of her parents. Solid, reliable parents in mean her character may have more reliability and integrity. That's why people in shitholes like India brag about doctor/engineer fathers when marketing their kids.

(09-04-2013 07:50 AM)Prosal Wrote:  Just a few lines from Zaporojie. It s a great place. Girls are really impressive (IMO better than Kiev), amazingly approachable and nice nice nice. As a refined foreigner dressed with style, you are a rarety and you are literally eye-fucked everywhere you go. I mean eye-fucked by girls and women of James Bond girls level. In Rozmarine and Aristokrat, the two "in" cafes in town, it takes all your willpower to not drool on your shirt. But what strickes me the most is how nice are the devushki here. In fact, I find all people here genuinly nice and honest. Taxis never try to overcharge you, service in restaurants and cafes is awesome, ect.

Also, prices are a steal. A three courses dinner for two with many drinks costs only 20€, the apartment I rent (a nice 50 square meters in the center) costs only 22€/day, a mojito in the most trendy cafes costs only 3€, a Corona in the best club only 2€, ect.

About girls, of course I know that many guys here have had completely opposite and often negative experiences in provincial Ukraine, but i guess that the reason is that if you come purely for sex with no intention of offering anything in return like emotional and intellectual connection, women you ll meet will sense it immediatly and will write you off. But be cool and calm, show some cultural knowledge/understanding, be nice and refined, don t see things solely from a "what can i get from her" perspective, and it s adventures with amazingly sweet, nice and hot girls guaranteed.

Just had to look on the map, where this city is - never heard about it before. But thats maybe the reason, why it is still good. No foreigners go there and maybe most important it doesnt have a strong presence of marriage agencies.
Good friend of mine lived in Kherson and Nikolaev for more than a year and just relocated to Kiev. He was so surprised how nice and friendly girls are here.

Although he had a reason to live there, speaks russian, he constantly faced the wife hunter issue. He said, as girls are quite simple minded there, for them every foreigner is just a wife hunter= looser.

Furthermore many scammers around, they were much more rude and agressive, with even girls fighting in the nightclubs.

So maybe going to province is just a question of choosing the right city - it seems you found a good one.

What are u telling girls, why you are there?

I think a lot of guys on this forum are missing out on this epic tale that is happening with Roosh right now because they don't follow the Ukraine thread. I feel like you should start a new thread and post everything you have written so far about these last few days.

(09-04-2013 06:41 PM)Roosh Wrote:  It's funny, I just wanted to do a live update of trying to get a ONS, and instead I've shared an 8,000 word drama that is still ongoing.

Yeah I'll probably post it on my blog at some point.

Actually I'll have another installment tomorrow afternoon.

(09-04-2013 07:11 PM)Thailand_Veteran Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 07:50 AM)Prosal Wrote:  Just a few lines from Zaporojie. It s a great place. Girls are really impressive (IMO better than Kiev), amazingly approachable and nice nice nice. As a refined foreigner dressed with style, you are a rarety and you are literally eye-fucked everywhere you go. I mean eye-fucked by girls and women of James Bond girls level. In Rozmarine and Aristokrat, the two "in" cafes in town, it takes all your willpower to not drool on your shirt. But what strickes me the most is how nice are the devushki here. In fact, I find all people here genuinly nice and honest. Taxis never try to overcharge you, service in restaurants and cafes is awesome, ect.

Also, prices are a steal. A three courses dinner for two with many drinks costs only 20€, the apartment I rent (a nice 50 square meters in the center) costs only 22€/day, a mojito in the most trendy cafes costs only 3€, a Corona in the best club only 2€, ect.

About girls, of course I know that many guys here have had completely opposite and often negative experiences in provincial Ukraine, but i guess that the reason is that if you come purely for sex with no intention of offering anything in return like emotional and intellectual connection, women you ll meet will sense it immediatly and will write you off. But be cool and calm, show some cultural knowledge/understanding, be nice and refined, don t see things solely from a "what can i get from her" perspective, and it s adventures with amazingly sweet, nice and hot girls guaranteed.

Just had to look on the map, where this city is - never heard about it before. But thats maybe the reason, why it is still good. No foreigners go there and maybe most important it doesnt have a strong presence of marriage agencies.
Good friend of mine lived in Kherson and Nikolaev for more than a year and just relocated to Kiev. He was so surprised how nice and friendly girls are here.

Although he had a reason to live there, speaks russian, he constantly faced the wife hunter issue. He said, as girls are quite simple minded there, for them every foreigner is just a wife hunter= looser.

Furthermore many scammers around, they were much more rude and agressive, with even girls fighting in the nightclubs.

So maybe going to province is just a question of choosing the right city - it seems you found a good one.

What are u telling girls, why you are there?

Those 2 cities have an inferiority complex with Odessa so thier attitude is quite bad. But I imagine any city is good for Prosal since he actually isn't looking for club sluts. Kherson has a direct ferry to Turkey , so I imagine its gotta be pretty bad. Nikoliev has a commuter population that works in Odessa.
As for wife hunters they are in EVERY province city but your loser term is far from the truth. The girls prefer wife hunters before sex tourists and PUA's. For a simple gal marrying and having family is number 1. What ends up happening in provinces is those same anti foreign chicks age , get pass 25, and are too OLD to find a guy for marriage. Sure when young they think Ukrainian guys are decent but they get bitter a few years later.In many Ukraine provinces you will actually see a shortage of women over 23 due to MOST getting married.

(09-04-2013 06:41 PM)BCZalgyris Wrote:  Guys, a Ukrainian 8.5 would be an American 9.5!

What would a Ukrainian 8.5 be if she was in America?

What would a American 9.5 be in Ukraine?

Bonus question:

What would a Zanesville, OH 4.5 be in Sheboygan, WI?

Extra Bonus Question:

What would a Kiev, Ukraine 7.565756 be in Kiev, KY while eating Chicken Kiev?

^ your finger is hovering over sky scanner for a one way ticket to Kiev and Moscow isn't it? (messing with you)

Roosh, I'm going to say what a lot of guys are probably thinking.

You've been all over the world, no doubt banged hundreds of women. You're easily in the top .1% of the world's men that have such a broad experience with foreign pussy.

And here you're telling us about a girl who, by all accounts, is the best girl you've ever met. That early on, you're already developing feelings that you've only felt towards 2 other women, in Brazil and Poland, and this girl might even have those two beat. And this girl is falling in love with you.

Speaking plainly, you'd be a fool not to pursue something with this girl. A girl of her stripe would probably turn a blind eye to your extra-curricular bangs anyway. I'm not sure how much your ticket is to Poland, but I imagine under $1000. There are millions of men who would give up much of their fortune for a girl like what you've described. There are millions, hell, billions of men that have settled for much lesser women and paid much more for it than a simple plane ticket.

I know around these parts you're a hero and an inspiration to us all, but as someone that's roughly your age, I know that values change. I know that it's more about quality over quantity at this point in the game. I know how hard it is to turn down a girl that wants to take care of you and make you happy, and sometimes you should let her.

Are the extra bangs in Poland really worth it?

(09-04-2013 08:51 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Roosh, I'm going to say what a lot of guys are probably thinking.

You've been all over the world, no doubt banged hundreds of women. You're easily in the top .1% of the world's men that have such a broad experience with foreign pussy.

And here you're telling us about a girl who, by all accounts, is the best girl you've ever met. That early on, you're already developing feelings that you've only felt towards 2 other women, in Brazil and Poland, and this girl might even have those two beat. And this girl is falling in love with you.

Speaking plainly, you'd be a fool not to pursue something with this girl. A girl of her stripe would probably turn a blind eye to your extra-curricular bangs anyway. I'm not sure how much your ticket is to Poland, but I imagine under $1000. There are millions of men who would give up much of their fortune for a girl like what you've described. There are millions, hell, billions of men that have settled for much lesser women and paid much more for it than a simple plane ticket.

I know around these parts you're a hero and an inspiration to us all, but as someone that's roughly your age, I know that values change. I know that it's more about quality over quantity at this point in the game. I know how hard it is to turn down a girl that wants to take care of you and make you happy, and sometimes you should let her.

Are the extra bangs in Poland really worth it?

One way Ukraine to Poland is probably $150. I would have stayed if she was really all that and you had a chance at it.

(09-04-2013 08:51 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Are the extra bangs in Poland really worth it?

Maybe. Maybe not.

But Freedom is priceless.

(09-04-2013 06:24 PM)GameTheory Wrote:  

(08-30-2013 01:42 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  [...]

I was coughing up blood yesterday. Just another day at the office. I was out again last night.[...]

get that checked out. ASAP

Sh*t.

You only die once.

What is it going to do? Kill me twice?

I agree with thedude, not to sound corny or cliche but women like Anna may only come around once or twice in your life, if you really hit it off it will probably be worth it to change your travel plans. That's the virtue of Roosh's lifestyle, the freedom and flexibility to change plans on the drop of a dime. It won't be worth a lifetime of "what ifs" you hook up with her, there are fire works, it's magical, and then you hop a plane and leave for Poland the next day. Stick around for a while give the relationship a chance, and maybe she'll be down to leave and travel the world with you, while serving as your personal assistant.

(09-05-2013 01:24 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 08:51 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Are the extra bangs in Poland really worth it?

Maybe. Maybe not.

But Freedom is priceless.

If it were anyone else, I'd agree. But it seems like Roosh has a pretty good idea of what's waiting for him in Poland. The fact that this girl is causing him this kind of turmoil is a pretty good indicator that she's worth it.

Freedom is priceless.

Top quality women are rare.

Unfortunately you can't have 100% of both, unless you're content with banging top quality and then ditching her by the wayside for the next thing, which in all likelihood will pale in comparison. Frankly, that's not my steez but to each their own.

Roosh, are you really going to leave Anna to go to Poland, someplace you have already been no less, to grind it out for some cheap SNLs and ONS?

Dream girls are rare.

I say give yourself another month in Ukeville, keep honing your Russian, and see how it goes with Anna.

Who knows, maybe Mark Minter, Neil Strauss, and you can coordinate your honeymoons together. Haha!

FSU is filled with wonderful, emotionally generous, learned, intelligent, passionate, modest, indulgent and charming women with honest feelings and goals. It is by no means a "rarity". You won t find this type of girls in clubs nonetheless.

(09-04-2013 07:11 PM)Thailand_Veteran Wrote:  Although he had a reason to live there, speaks russian, he constantly faced the wife hunter issue. He said, as girls are quite simple minded there, for them every foreigner is just a wife hunter= looser.

After seeing a lot of those videos about the Ukraine Bride business, I'd say it's the other way around and by that I mean that it's just that most of those guys ARE hopeless dudes who don't really know a thing about women, consistently put them on a pedestal for no reason, have zero game (or ability to show value) and really don't know what they want either (other than to finally get married and/or find 'the one').

That doesn't mean there aren't a few decent dudes on these 'marriage tours' who would make great husbands though. In any case, as jimukr104 said the wife-seekers seem to do all right as at least there intentions are honest/straightforward. But I for the life of me can't figure out why the hell some western guy would want to bring one of these girls back and subject them to Western culture and, worse, US/UK/Canadian divorce laws.....I mean it's a very risky strategy

(09-05-2013 07:22 AM)Prosal Wrote:  FSU is filled with wonderful, emotionally generous, learned, intelligent, passionate, modest, indulgent and charming women with honest feelings and goals. It is by no means a "rarity". You won t find this type of girls in clubs nonetheless.

Even here in Moscow I tend to agree with this. The best girls I have dated and even had relationships with here don't go to clubs all that often, only on occasion. When I really think about it, every single one of them has been better than almost EVERY girl I dated in the US and by that I mean they were not only prettier, more feminine, modest and lower maintenance, but that they were also really smarter about most things, spoke multiple languages, played musical instruments, etc.

^^^from the bride hunters I met there were 2 kinds with no middle. Type 1 were not good candidates at All. Like Akula said. Hopeless. They often weren't of high standArd. Then there were the other half. Very successful guys. I mean in the top 10% of American society both financially and prOfessionally. They were shy maybe or often had a divOrce and in no way wanted a westerner again. The reason I say the girls don't look so down on them is because the hopeless guys are still better than local guys. The girls also know that American chicks are FAT so they understand. That being said the under 25 crowd still things Ivan is the BOMB and really is brainwashed. But after a certain age Nothing good comes out of there mouth about Ivan. But they still have there brainwashing to stick with thier own. But Ivan is clever. He knows every gal under 25 wants to marry him. It's rinse and repeat. I think guys cause most divorces tbh. I still say 16-17 the girls are the sweetest.
Yeah it's pretty stupid to bring them back to western world. Unless you have an escApe plan. With me my wife Always worrying I was going to run back to my flat in Ukraine. The only gal in USA a guy should consider marrying has got to have much more money than himself.

Thanks thedude, OG, and durango. One thing I love about the forum is that advice you get from men you haven't met means as much as coming from a friend.

Hypothetically speaking, if I were to eat my Poland plans, it would cost me $500 (flight plus apartment deposit). It's not an insignificant amount, but not one that at this time would put a strain on my finances.

Talking about Ivan, I m in Zaporojie since one week now, go out every night in trendy venues, and I haven t seen only ONE decent looking local guy (nor any decent looking foreigner for that matter, for the simple reason that I haven t seen one foreigner). And I don t mean handsome or even good-looking, but just decent looking. And for dressing style/refinment, better not even talk about it.

Hopefully Anna isn't an RVF reader and is using all of her game knowledge against old Roosh. If she slips into calling you Burt at some point....

Anyways, great story. Reminds me of some of the prose that you've put on the blog or bundled into short stories.

Love the updates Roosh. Can you attach a picture of Anna's body? Blur out her face if you wish... but we gotta see

Ok maybe I'm just an idiot but who is Ivan?

(09-04-2013 04:54 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I will go to Poland. There’s no way I could stay in a city just because of a girl.

Roosh you are always very congruent and you are one of the
very few people who really lives what he describes and in what he believes.

Many men went through exactly the same emotions
that you were feeling with Anna.

You wrote clearly in your posts on Facebook and Twitter what you think
about men who change their plans because of a girl:

http://twitter.com/rooshv/status/374634336706121728

Next year I also plan to see Ukraine for few weeks and this thread is very helpful