Post: #151

(05-28-2013 06:14 AM)bojangles Wrote:  that french newsreader is proper hot. Forget her name, married to the north african descended actor with a disability, that guy has game.

I am reading the previous posts in this thread and found this comment.

That guy is Jamel Debbouze and is everything but a player, he used to do stand up comedy and in my opinion wasn’t talented, his main audience were banlieusards and his humor wasn’t refined at all, he later showed some acting skills (he was playing a retard in Amelie Poulain, perfect role for him?). Not sure how he ended up with that woman but I would say that luck played a bigger part than game, some women have a lot of empathy and like being nurses.

Post: #152

(05-29-2018 12:42 PM)jcardial Wrote:  Flab factor
I was just in Paris and I went with a very open mind regarding the attractiveness of the women since I like the accent and have met some cute French girls over the years. Sadly, most of the locals are flabby even though they're not outright overweight. A diet heavy with cheese, bread, butter, wine and topped off with chain smoking clearly takes its toll much more than popular culture would have you believe.

French women have very wide hips on average so the prevalent soft flabby glutes look particularly unappealing. Of course there are some beautiful women here and there but too low of a volume to justify the rent and cost of living if the women are your primary objective.

Their English is pretty weak on average, so I believe the advice that French is pretty essential to do well. It sounds like even with French the situation isn't great. It's a cool looking city but it's very expensive and the women need some gym memberships stat.

Cliff notes: If you're into healthy girls and tight butts, move along. Paris is full of flab assed chain smokers.

Your observation is unfortunately accurate

I've been gaming in this city for quite a while and unfortunately, the best looking girls you will find in Paris will be from scandinavia or eastern europe.
The locals are mostly flabby 6s, with bad proportions, they smoke, ... i don't do this kind of shit. That's why french girls only account for 15% of my lays after 30 years spent in this city


There are a few french 9s that you will notice once in a blue moon and most of the time they are very difficult to game and have boyfriends from their social circles. These girls are never single. They have been hardened by years of harassement from uneducated migrants and all kind of weirdos and will be hard to open.

For the past 2 days i approached 6 girls while running errands though the city
the result talks for itself:

- girl 1. French 9 (a real beauty)
- girl 2. Ukrainian / American 8
- girl 3. Swedish 8
- girl 4. Russian 9
- girl 5. Polish 8
- gilr 6. from an unkown EE shit hole 9.5 (model)

As you can see, almost anything above 8 is foreign. I'm not especially looking for blonds or slavic type of girls, just tall (1.75min), skinny, long legs, pretty face, classy. I had no idea they were strangers prior talking to them and always started opening in french

Hunting these foreigners living in Paris is fun, but it's like looking to buy some french cheese in Texas; it will be overpriced, the quality probably still low. and chances are that it will be expired by the time you eat it. But it's better than nothing i guess.

I know NYC and LA and i think it is WAY easier to game there than in France (at least for a french dude)
People there are generally way more open socially and the girls are really DTF. For real
Even the language and culture make it easier to pull. In major US cities, girls also intensively work out, which is very important to me

Following my observations in Paris, the reason would tell me to go east to bang girls and eventually find a valuable gf.
However, the problem with all these eastern girls is that for 99% of the time they are gold diggers. I had many EE girlfriends and my 3 best girl friends in Paris, are belarussian, russian, and ukrainian. I also have good experience and connections in Moscow which is by far the richest city in EE.
7-8 are usually DTF and pretty easy, but anything above 8-9 will be hard to game if you are not ready to pull the provider game. I can get the same results at home so what’s the point?. ALL the girls above 8/9 have instagram accounts will thousands of followers. This is their work. They only bank on their beauty for their future which is kind of pathetic given the multiple options they have to make their own money nowadays. I have no intention to sponsor anybody. I want a girl who’s going to be with me because i give her amazing sex and humor, not because i pay her rent and travels.
If it is about money anybody can have top notches babes from EE (total 9s or 10s) at your place in Paris for 250 bucks anyday of the week. No need to waste your precious time and money in some shithole countries running after numbers. See what i’m saying?

You may think it is cool because EE wasn’t westernized etc, yeah it’s cool, they are feminine yadda yadda, but personaly i’m not interested in baby sitting a woman whom only ambition is to take care of a home, and man this is what 95% of them want to do with their life. Even one of my very good friends in Moscow who has a top executive job in fashion edition wants a man to provide for her and stop working. Lazy slobs. They all want to do nothing and stay at home. And a 9 will never do your laundry, you can be certain of that.
They just want to do nothing, spend your hard earned money and hang with their trophywives GF in fancy cafes. Very unattractive to me. That’s the life rich russian dudes offer them, which is super beta imho.
I’m attracted by alpha women, i want to see some fucking passion and drive in a woman, i want to see her strive and achieve greater goals than just dusting the furnitures and raising a couple of kids

Maybe girls in scandinavia, holland, germany are at the end of the day a much better deal. You dont want a gf from a poor ass country.
Then there is the language barriere and honestly, speaking in broken english for months with a girl really wears you down
Bottom line, i’m still looking for that french speaking, low key down to earth, independent, driven, euro smoking 10

Post: #153

If parisiennes are trash, what about the provinceaux ones from small towns not in the area? Also dumpy sub-7s? Parisiennes sound like Portland Oregon hipsters

Post: #154

(05-31-2018 02:48 AM)scrambled Wrote:  If parisiennes are trash, what about the provinceaux ones from small towns not in the area? Also dumpy sub-7s? Parisiennes sound like Portland Oregon hipsters

Parisians are just very average looking and quite difficult to pull in their native environment. I mean yes you can bang a 5 tomorrow if it is what you are after, but any decent girl will require a huge amount of work.

The ROI is generally bad.
Very similar to italian / spanish women

That being said, when they move abroad in cities like NYC, Sydney, etc.. they become hungry whores, like most other women moving elsewhere

French girls from small town won't be any different beside a poorer sense of fashion and redneck mentality

Post: #155

(05-31-2018 08:23 AM)tzar Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:48 AM)scrambled Wrote:  If parisiennes are trash, what about the provinceaux ones from small towns not in the area? Also dumpy sub-7s? Parisiennes sound like Portland Oregon hipsters

Parisians are just very average looking and quite difficult to pull in their native environment. I mean yes you can bang a 5 tomorrow if it is what you are after, but any decent girl will require a huge amount of work.

The ROI is generally bad.
Very similar to italian / spanish women

That being said, when they move abroad in cities like NYC, Sydney, etc.. they become hungry whores, like most other women moving elsewhere

French girls from small town won't be any different beside a poorer sense of fashion and redneck mentality

Actually girls from the north-east are the better looking in France, they have more influences from Germany and Flemish belgium, which translate in taller, blonder and more beautiful women, opposed to the skinny dark haired, small mediterranean looking women who is addicted to smoke, which sadly prevails in most areas of France.

Post: #156

(06-01-2018 01:27 PM)TigerTim Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 08:23 AM)tzar Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:48 AM)scrambled Wrote:  If parisiennes are trash, what about the provinceaux ones from small towns not in the area? Also dumpy sub-7s? Parisiennes sound like Portland Oregon hipsters

Parisians are just very average looking and quite difficult to pull in their native environment. I mean yes you can bang a 5 tomorrow if it is what you are after, but any decent girl will require a huge amount of work.

The ROI is generally bad.
Very similar to italian / spanish women

That being said, when they move abroad in cities like NYC, Sydney, etc.. they become hungry whores, like most other women moving elsewhere

French girls from small town won't be any different beside a poorer sense of fashion and redneck mentality

Actually girls from the north-east are the better looking in France, they have more influences from Germany and Flemish belgium, which translate in taller, blonder and more beautiful women, opposed to the skinny dark haired, small mediterranean looking women who is addicted to smoke, which sadly prevails in most areas of France.

According to who? Only you? I would be curious to know your knowledge about France to declare such things. There are gorgeous mediterranean women, don’t spit on them just because you sacralise blondes.

Post: #157

(06-01-2018 02:46 PM)Lino Wrote:  

(06-01-2018 01:27 PM)TigerTim Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 08:23 AM)tzar Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:48 AM)scrambled Wrote:  If parisiennes are trash, what about the provinceaux ones from small towns not in the area? Also dumpy sub-7s? Parisiennes sound like Portland Oregon hipsters

Parisians are just very average looking and quite difficult to pull in their native environment. I mean yes you can bang a 5 tomorrow if it is what you are after, but any decent girl will require a huge amount of work.

The ROI is generally bad.
Very similar to italian / spanish women

That being said, when they move abroad in cities like NYC, Sydney, etc.. they become hungry whores, like most other women moving elsewhere

French girls from small town won't be any different beside a poorer sense of fashion and redneck mentality

Actually girls from the north-east are the better looking in France, they have more influences from Germany and Flemish belgium, which translate in taller, blonder and more beautiful women, opposed to the skinny dark haired, small mediterranean looking women who is addicted to smoke, which sadly prevails in most areas of France.

According to who? Only you? I would be curious to know your knowledge about France to declare such things. There are gorgeous mediterranean women, don’t spit on them just because you sacralise blondes.

There are a few; but lets be real, the percentage of native hot girls is really low, and this is a from a guy who was born in paris and day game a lot.

I know the language, i work here, my logistic is excellent, and i prefer the company of a like minded french girl over any foreigner, hence i keep pursuing the low yielding parisian game, but i sometime wish i was born in Denmark sweden or norway. The quality of my notches would be way better and girls there seem way more dtf.

What i actually like here is that parisian girls are usually very down to earth and low key. They usually pay for their own shits, are reliable and make great girlfriends.
Yes EE girls have vastly superior genetics, but i would never consider a long term relationship with them. I've already tried several times and their gold digging and housewife mentality really wears me down. They make great FWB though

Post: #158

French girls are incredibly snobby and bitchy in my opinion. And they are not easy.

Even the French girls who are visiting New York City (my home base) still keep their pretentious vibe with them. Generally, European women who come to visit/live in the USA turn into huge sluts, but not French women.

I have banged quite a few European women who have visited NYC, but rarely any of them were from France.

Post: #159

Last couple days I saw a few groups of French girls, talked to a 2 set as well. My stereotype is shattered - no style, just like most girls, wearing Topman/HM or Zara at best. Mostly unattractive and overweight. Nothing to salivate about, it seems.

Post: #160

Depends which of part of France you go. If you are judging girls purely from visiting Paris you will have bad opinions on them.

Post: #161

(06-03-2018 03:29 AM)ksbms Wrote:  Last couple days I saw a few groups of French girls, talked to a 2 set as well. My stereotype is shattered - no style, just like most girls, wearing Topman/HM or Zara at best. Mostly unattractive and overweight. Nothing to salivate about, it seems.

French girls that you see in the UK are like most european girls you see in the uk, students or girls working on low paid jobs, renting small rooms, usually in east London.

Of course these girls have nothing special, same goes for italian and spanish girls you see in London...

Post: #162

Candidly, I suspect few of us have enough of a sample size to make a large generalization, but nevertheless, I'll share my own experience with a Parisienne woman here in California.

Fairly Attractive - 7ish
Well formed and shaped - not via exercise but just because
Can be fun, especially in an irresponsible sort of manner
Claims to be "feminist"
Claims to be "creative" and "counterculture" although really seems rather typical
Sex is good, not great. Claims there are no taboos but easily frustrated as can't bring me to orgasm via her oral methods.
Regularly striving for emotional dominance, taking verbal jabs, basic shit tests. Its fucking exhausting after a while.
Always telling me that she "loves" me but doesn't understand why...
Threatens or breaks up with me regularly at the worst possible moments - gets little reaction from me, frustrates her even more.

Altogether, this sounds pretty much in line with what others are stating here. So yes, based upon my experience, there are overrated.

Post: #163

I remember when France won the World Cup and Central London streets were full of French girls.
Well, I didn't see anything over 5. The average was 2 or 3, maybe couple of 5s. Maybe. The sample was 1000s of girls. Nothing bangable. I couldn't believe it.

Post: #164

2 or 3 seems extremely low.

Post: #165

Not kidding, SS. The average was extremely low. Makes sense why guys like Lino move to the UK to get better quality.

Post: #166

(06-01-2018 01:27 PM)TigerTim Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 08:23 AM)tzar Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 02:48 AM)scrambled Wrote:  If parisiennes are trash, what about the provinceaux ones from small towns not in the area? Also dumpy sub-7s? Parisiennes sound like Portland Oregon hipsters

Parisians are just very average looking and quite difficult to pull in their native environment. I mean yes you can bang a 5 tomorrow if it is what you are after, but any decent girl will require a huge amount of work.

The ROI is generally bad.
Very similar to italian / spanish women

That being said, when they move abroad in cities like NYC, Sydney, etc.. they become hungry whores, like most other women moving elsewhere

French girls from small town won't be any different beside a poorer sense of fashion and redneck mentality

Actually girls from the north-east are the better looking in France, they have more influences from Germany and Flemish belgium, which translate in taller, blonder and more beautiful women, opposed to the skinny dark haired, small mediterranean looking women who is addicted to smoke, which sadly prevails in most areas of France.

(09-10-2018 04:35 AM)weallbang5s Wrote:  Not kidding, SS. The average was extremely low. Makes sense why guys like Lino move to the UK to get better quality.

I"ve spent a lot of time in Paris. I think you can say that it is an efficient market. Like in Finance where there is a theory that says that with perfect communication the stock market would be perfectly priced and you would never be able to get a good deal. It's the same with French girls in Paris.

In a big city with not so many beautiful girls, they know their value and are easily able to meet guys that match their value. It's also harder to find them because they try to avoid getting into situations where guys can hit on them because that can happen all day long in Mediterranean countries (france included). So if you are an 8 guy, you'll get girls that are 7-9 depending on other factors like money, social standing, etc. If you are a 6 guy you'll get maybe up to a 7. If you have a lot of money and want to use it, you'll bat higher but not so much because in France social standing is important and money alone doesn't buy it. With the immigrant girls from Scandinavia, EE etc, the market is not efficient. They don't know where to go to meet the guys they want, they don't really know their value and sometimes they don't know many people so are more open to the first acceptable guy they meet. But as time goes by, even those girls get harder to meet because the market is starting to price them more efficiently.

Post: #167

Long story short, John. They are not reasonably attractive and very very arrogant, even the fugly ones.

Post: #168

@John: ^I would say that assessment was correct 5 years ago when I first moved here as a student. It was easy to meet cute girls to pair up with if you are yourself in the 7-8 range male wise.

Now with Tinder exploding in France the market has turned into the same shitshow in other Anglo countries. Tons of low 6s who had to rely on social circles to get a guy now have a steady supply of suitors to monkey branch and their values are inflated way over the top. Mind you that it is the 5-7 who determine the flow of the sexual market because the 8+ would be worshipped anywhere.

French girls are also quite matter-of-factly about the whole seeking arrangement thing, so if that's your thing knock yourself out.

In conclusion unless you fit into a certain image/niche in France, and you also happen to like a certain kind of high drama high passion girls, French girls are worth it. Otherwise don't bother. They are just your typical homely looking brunette that every Tom and Paul used to have as girlfriends.

Post: #169

Especially in North France, where I've been 6 times, many overweight women as well. No wonder if they have a baguette in hand late in the evening.

Post: #170

In conclusion unless you fit into a certain image/niche in France, and you also happen to like a certain kind of high drama high passion girls, French girls are worth it. Otherwise don't bother. They are just your typical homely looking brunette that every Tom and Paul used to have as girlfriends.
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This is pretty much what I am finding. High drama, high passion, high arrogance, moderate to low yield.

Post: #171

(09-11-2018 04:35 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  In conclusion unless you fit into a certain image/niche in France, and you also happen to like a certain kind of high drama high passion girls, French girls are worth it. Otherwise don't bother. They are just your typical homely looking brunette that every Tom and Paul used to have as girlfriends.

Yes, so be that image. When I first got to Paris I met some French guys from high level social circles who told me how to dress what to do etc. That's what I still do. I always put on a sharp sport coat and nice shoes when I go out and if I open every girl stops to listen.

One "peculiar" thing about Paris is how it seems really segregated among whites too. You have taller blonder French living in the wealthiest areas (7,16,etc) and the more often smoking, more brunette living in places like the 11, 12, 13. When I say blonder I'm not talking about Arab or black, just comparing the whites. Most tourists don't see those areas unless they have local friends who take them there so that explains a lot of the complaints. But for French guys it doesn't.

So it seems like the hotter, blonder style girls that people here complain they don't see, are hidden behind a wall of money. When I hear French guys complaining that there are no babes, I just understand they are not going into the right areas or I hear them saying, the hot girls won't give me the time of day.

Post: #172

That s the same in pretty much any western country.
Hot girls gravitate where status is.
However i dislike the parisian environement. It is made of 2 extreme, ghetto monkeys and pussified white guys.
Maybe if you are in between both you can have good success

Post: #173

(09-12-2018 04:36 AM)Sleek2b Wrote:  However i dislike the parisian environement. It is made of 2 extreme, ghetto monkeys and pussified white guys.
Maybe if you are in between both you can have good success

You summarized it perfectly.

Post: #174

(09-12-2018 03:09 AM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 04:35 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  In conclusion unless you fit into a certain image/niche in France, and you also happen to like a certain kind of high drama high passion girls, French girls are worth it. Otherwise don't bother. They are just your typical homely looking brunette that every Tom and Paul used to have as girlfriends.

One "peculiar" thing about Paris is how it seems really segregated among whites too. You have taller blonder French living in the wealthiest areas (7,16,etc) and the more often smoking, more brunette living in places like the 11, 12, 13. When I say blonder I'm not talking about Arab or black, just comparing the whites. Most tourists don't see those areas unless they have local friends who take them there so that explains a lot of the complaints. But for French guys it doesn't.

So it seems like the hotter, blonder style girls that people here complain they don't see, are hidden behind a wall of money. When I hear French guys complaining that there are no babes, I just understand they are not going into the right areas or I hear them saying, the hot girls won't give me the time of day.

That's a good observation and a there's a likely explanation for that in the following article. Generally, the research regarding segregation of agents has been started by Thomas Schelling with his Segregation Model, which explanation a cornucopia of segregations that can happen among people according to particular variable, e.g., skin colour.

Post: #175

Let's be honest. Nobody likes the French for some reasons, except Russian hoes and gold diggers.
It's a stereotype that makes sense.