(08-08-2014 08:18 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 07:05 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  tell her you're not going to be exclusive, she can be exclusive to you take it or leave it.

This isn't even in my reality, have you actually pulled off having one agree to something as up front as this before?

Well, women generally don't like to deal in the logical, so I don't recall if I've ever had it laid out there quite as cold/calculated, but this is a hiroshima type situation. He doesn't care about keeping her around other than maybe to get his dick wet, so a hail mary type move isn't completely out of the question.

You should definitely word it a bit better. I've had multiple girls know that they were not the only one and they were exclusive to me. I can't recall if any of them specifically agreed to that, but they were exclusive to me just because they were so enthralled with me. I'm not saying they were a 9 or a 10 but if you get in a girl's head, you've got her.

When you realize that a girl can taste another girl's pussy on your dick but keep on blowing you because she's enamored with you, you'll know that women's nature is very far removed from men's. I'm not saying all women are like this, but a surprising number are.

My mom told me that she read that girls these days are going away from the hookup culture and that they want to be romanced again "They want you to woo them now"

I just had a sweet, hot girl tell me that "no matter what people say, genders are not equal and the man should be the head of the household and the woman should submit to him", along with many other nice things in the same vein. I almost melted!

(08-12-2014 08:55 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I just had a sweet, hot girl tell me that "no matter what people say, genders are not equal and the man should be the head of the household and the woman should submit to him", along with many other nice things in the same vein. I almost melted!

It's nice to know there is a sliver of hope in the world.

I've had many young girls tell me "Men and women are equal, but entirely different.' I.e. they admit to liking men leading them, telling them what to wear, how they can turn you on more.

I think a hoped for change is coming.

(08-11-2014 01:47 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  Having problems getting girls on dates. I double book and that still results in double flakes. I will have to go as hard as possible on our first encounter. It may get to a point where if I cannot bang her on the spot, I won't even holler at her. The flakiness is out of control.

My guess is you haven't done enough comfort game before the amplification and fixing a date.

Or, maybe they were just being polite from the jump. Did you get IOIs from them?

And, some girls are just flakes. They'd flake on Brad Pitt because they would honestly forget what day it is.

So it's been 8 months with this main HB 8 (still banging on the side)

She has a feminist fist with the female symbol tatted on the top of her back. She helped create women's studies at a school she went to.

.....yet she does what I say, let's me be completely dominant, there has been no discussion of feminism at all. No drama or arguments. She admits she likes being guided and being told what to do, she grabs me beer, and pays for stuff once in awhile. We've fucked in quite a few different places, she blows me on command. She's quiet, conservative, but is very lady like, long hair, skinny and modelesque.

I'm waiting for the catch here.....

I have a feeling it was just a "phase" she went through in college and she's reversed course.

I'm very weary of girls, but given the fact she's complementing my life so far, she can stay around.

This is a total 180 from my last HB 7.5 who hit the wall recently, being complete drama, princess syndrome, money hungry, and completely insecure.

I think having abundance mentality has helped grounded me in my confidence, knowing I can get girls and have a harem.

Life is fucking weird, the red pill prescription has saved my life.

Yeah, it's weird they are def like that in my humble experience. I've actually been on a run of those - grad deg in fem theory, and the one before that a typical college, white, check yo privilege, hear me rawr! type girl, is HB 8.5.

Both wanted me to tie them up, order them around, act submissive, long hair, love giving BJs 24/7, spanking, choking. I think they are dying for red pill guys to lead them. I tell them what to wear, perfume, stilettos, lingerie, and say how and where we spend evenings. They agreed to everything I told them to do in the bedroom. One said she wanted a golden shower, which def shocked me.

You said it right, life is fucking weird.

tl/dr; Watch what they do, not what they say [not ever that!]

Need some advise. Some beta-ness follows, but this doesn't happen often to me so please bear.

Went for D1 with this tall french girl. She looked ok in the pictures but I was blown away in person. I am not talking just about looks, but as a person, she was so feminine, happy, funny, sometimes awkward, we vibe very well and she is touching me and we have lots of moments.

Before D1 we texted for 2 days and I kept the text game very tight e.g. leading to her panic if she made a joke/tease and I didn't reply soon, sending me kisses and all those sorts. She even texted me a morning before about how shes looking forward to the day.

So D1, at the end, when elevator door closes, we start making out. She keeps saying we have to do this again since she has to go home now. But she stood hugging and kissing me like a baby while waiting for a cab.

Goes home and texts me all the usual about meeting again.

Few days after D1 now, still texting but the texts are not very frequent like before. I scheduled D2, but she over boozed on her brunch that day and couldn't do it. I sensed a flake. But next morning she texts me about sorry she was and how she doesn't want me to be mad etc. I say she has to make up for it and she agrees.

The beta thing here is, I havn't felt about any girl in recent times the way I think about her. I can't say why exactly, but the way she talks, looks, laughs, it has got into my mind. This is after D1, just the way things were that day. I don't care if we have sex or not, I want to steal her heart. This is not just to get a new notch.

I have thought about using the same rules as everybody else, i.e. let her come back since she messed up last time, but is there a better way ? Out of all these females, if one is special, how do you deal with it ? How do I ask her for D2 ?

Or am I overthinking ?

(08-07-2014 06:34 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Here's my question..

I get numbers. I suck at text game. I have screwed it up all the time.

Unless, of course I call her after text messaging game goes to hell.

I just got a number from this 7.5 and as much as I want to text her, may end up calling her instead.

Thoughts on texting vs calling? I'll also do a search but currently enjoying the high from getting another number from a sweet one I'd like to rail.

I've been able to restart cold leads by calling them. I send a text saying, "pick up the phone." They'll respond saying that I didn't call and I'll just call them right then and there, sort of like how you would do if you were to call a business owner, call right when they respond to your email. Why call? So, she can hear your confidence and witness your wittiness on the spot via telephone. If she doesn't pick up then come back in a few days with the same routine.

(08-12-2014 06:26 PM)horn Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 01:47 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  Having problems getting girls on dates. I double book and that still results in double flakes. I will have to go as hard as possible on our first encounter. It may get to a point where if I cannot bang her on the spot, I won't even holler at her. The flakiness is out of control.

My guess is you haven't done enough comfort game before the amplification and fixing a date.

Or, maybe they were just being polite from the jump. Did you get IOIs from them?

And, some girls are just flakes. They'd flake on Brad Pitt because they would honestly forget what day it is.

Break down your comfort game. I only go for the number after there is no possibility that we can continue the interaction. I've gotten makeouts and kino with hands on ass to never hear from them again. Most of the time it is a few texts or a call or two to make plans. Then radio silence. These women (8s - 10s) really have too many options. I witness them texting 3 different guys at once who's numbers they haven't even saved on their phones. Getting them out on dates has become a monumental task. Any ideas?

Last night I went out, and the nightlife was probably better on a Tuesday than a Saturday/ Friday It was a lot less crowded (making it easier to speak to girls and more enjoyable in general).

I made out with a girl inside the club, but she wasn't that hot and didn't seem keen for more, so I bounced outside and talked to a friend for the ten minuted before closing time. After closing time I approached a bunch of girls in the street, and started talking to this hot girl. She seemed keen, and after speaking to her for like 15 minutes, I made out with her. She wasn't down to come back to mine though, so I said bye to her and got her number when she went home.

At this point most everyone had gone home, and the streets were emptying, but one of my friends was talking to two girls, so I went over and introduce myself. Neither of them were that hot, and there was a gay guy doing his best to cockblock, but I was still drunk and pretty horny so I started taking to the one he wasn't going for.

About 10 minutes after approaching, the two girls invited us back to their house (which one of them shared with the gay guy). I guess they were pretty keen. On the walk to their house I tried to win the gay guy over so he wouldn't cockblock, but he took this as an invitation to insert himself further into events and get in the way. When we got to the girls' house, (which was a two bedroom), my friend went into one of the bedrooms and started banging one of the girls. The other bedroom belonged to the gay guy and he wouldn't let us in their, whilst also insisting that we leave the sofa open so he can watch a film. At this point I was sobering up and couldn't be bothered to deal with all the stress for a mediocre girl. I waited like 10 minutes for my friend to nut, and we got a taxi home.

Takeaways: I need to get better at dealing with gay guys. I read somewhere on here that if you are cool with them, they can help you bang girls in their circle. I tried this, but he just took it as an invitation to insert himself more and more between me and the girl. Anyone got any advice?

Some of the New Orleans Saints hit on my girlfriend at work the other day an tried to get her #. She didn't give it to them.

Haha, that's awesome, such a good feeling. This millionaire poker player tried the same thing on one of my girls in Vegas, I had gone to the bar and watched the interaction from afar. He kept getting shot down, but I give him credit for trying, lol. I finally rolled up with the drinks to say "Hi" to him and so he'd disappear.

I am seeing 8's and 9's freshmen confused and talking to them is almost too easy, they can't hide their excitement

(08-12-2014 09:50 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

(08-12-2014 06:26 PM)horn Wrote:  My guess is you haven't done enough comfort game before the amplification and fixing a date.

Break down your comfort game.... I've gotten makeouts and kino with hands on ass to never hear from them again. Most of the time it is a few texts or a call or two to make plans. Then radio silence. These women (8s - 10s) really have too many options.... Any ideas?

Let's start with the ez part: some 8-10s are like that and always will be until they hit the wall.
My advice, which has def been true in 95% of the times your situation has happened to me, is that you went too sexual too early. She was hot, you started talking, had some drinks, started kinoing, then escalated to kissing and grinding in the club, maybe even hand down your pants or fingering her and kissing her tits in a stairwell. Then a few texts and radio silence, right? Fool's Mate as Mystery called it.

Basically, at some point while you're escalating from light banter/flirting to kino and escalating, you have to establish comfort.
How do you do this? Tell stories based on what you've discovered about her:
Establish a genuine rapport with her before sexually escalating. Think attraction --> comfort --> closing [which can be just kissing & digits because she has to leave with her friends, or sex obvs]
Ever notice how ALL girls online and IRL say 'I want a guy who gets me!' This is what they mean.

Think of the comfort phase as the physical distance between meeting her, and heavy kino. You meet at a bar, sitting/standing maybe 2-3 feet apart, get her invested and talking to you. Then you go in for light kino and move closer into her personal space at some point, right? This is when/where you build comfort. If she seems stiff or uncomfortable at all, you haven't gotten her comfortable enough with you physically/emotionally.

Or think of it another way: she wants a guy, she's out drinking, she thinks you're hot, maybe she even is DTF you that night, but -- you're a strange guy to her, possibly much bigger!
At a bar, it's a 'safe' environment where she can call for help if need be so you can get heated up there, but it's not 'real' yet. You're trying to dismiss all her concerns - with your clothes, your conversations, your slightly escalating kino, voice, attitude, etc.

One reason my success skyrocketed last year is going out all suited up, and would run comfort game on college girls-24 yr olds for 2-3 hours if need be on a hot girl I liked.
Start bantering, order drinks [I already have a tab open] bartender knows me so I'm 'safe', talk about whatever topics - art, travel, movies, sports, her degree, jobs, fashion, why the boys on campus suck, anything you can find-- favorite drinks/tv/movie never fails as a starter. Create that 'bubble' with her.

All that time I am leading her, escalating slowly but surely, just like all the classic books tell you - move closer, light kino, sit real close, comfort, heavy kino, comfort more if need be, until she is willing to exit with you. I'm not after ONS, I'm after longer-term if I like her after hanging out.
If she gets in your car, comes to your place or takes you to hers, you know she is very comfortable with you. She will call you, she wants to be with you.

I've even had girls in my car saying, 'I just met you, you could be a killer' in between passionately making out with me at red lights, and putting my hand up their skirt/top, it's hilarious. The comfort game overruled her rational thoughts.

{And finally, if they are too drunk I put them to bed on my couch with a sofa and blanket and I go sleep. the next morning, they are even more comfortable with me and motivated to get naked and 'reward' me}

This is not the game you run if you want to leave in 15 mins and fuck in 60. But it's been working very well for me both with getting lays and getting them to come back, over and over, when I text to meet or just come over to fuck.

College girls are often the best for this as they don't even want to sleep over since the sex is always on the DL as I'm ~20 yrs older. They go back to their roommate and say they were at the library for 2 hours...

(08-13-2014 11:40 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  Some of the New Orleans Saints hit on my girlfriend at work the other day an tried to get her #. She didn't give it to them.

At least not in front of you.....


Jk

(08-12-2014 07:01 PM)kaotic Wrote:  So it's been 8 months with this main HB 8 (still banging on the side)

She has a feminist fist with the female symbol tatted on the top of her back. She helped create women's studies at a school she went to.

The fear of feminism is overblown in my experience.

That being said, 8 months is still the honey moon.

WIA

(08-12-2014 08:16 PM)dancingjohn Wrote:  The beta thing here is, I havn't felt about any girl in recent times the way I think about her. I can't say why exactly, but the way she talks, looks, laughs, it has got into my mind. This is after D1, just the way things were that day. I don't care if we have sex or not, I want to steal her heart. This is not just to get a new notch.

I have thought about using the same rules as everybody else, i.e. let her come back since she messed up last time, but is there a better way ? Out of all these females, if one is special, how do you deal with it ? How do I ask her for D2 ?

Or am I overthinking ?

1) over thinking
2) ball is in her court

3) for a chick that "isn't just a notch" - means you need to treat her like a notch. That's how you pulled her, getting all beta and thinking long term is how you lose her.

She still needs to invest.
She still needs to comply.
She still has to give in to you.

There's a tendency to go all Hollywood, theme music, grand gestures - but this broad hasn't EARNED THAT YET.

You don't get to be sweet until after your hard.

4) Go out and meet other chicks. Don't wait by the phone for her. Now's the perfect time to run through some bitches - when you've tasted some real shit.

Dudes backslide all the time. Finally meet a chick that might be worth something, and then go back to their old ways when a chicks wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

She likes the new confident, arrogant, cocky, brash dude that she's dating. She can find flowers and chocolates with any dude.

Now don't go all Stoic Terminator, let her "sense" something "underneath".
Get cute with a dog or a little kid and then switch back.

But don't break character, Really breath in and become the new you.

WIA

Hmm, got a restart text from a girl from a month or so ago that went nowhere (mostly my fault, since I was busy)... but it started, "Hey friend"

I think this is good, but that's a weird opener. She's super patient though apparently.

There's a couple old topics on "screening" but nothing really definitive... I'm working on one now. Anything you fellas feel I should include? I've already got quite a bit written down, but I'm always welcome to ideas, especially things that "MUST" be in this guide.

Hoping to put this one up before I go on my trip to Tennessee next week!

All my lays recently have been in hostel bathrooms

(08-13-2014 08:48 PM)CJ Wrote:  There's a couple old topics on "screening" but nothing really definitive... I'm working on one now. Anything you fellas feel I should include? I've already got quite a bit written down, but I'm always welcome to ideas, especially things that "MUST" be in this guide.

Hoping to put this one up before I go on my trip to Tennessee next week!

The pushing her away, when she says something dumb.
She will come back if she's dtf
Ex:
Her- (She says something dumb but she's hot)
Me- (stone cold face) "you should go to that group instead, maybe you'll fit in better"
This usually gets a kick out of the hot ones cause:

1) Pussy is not in the pedestal
2) Asshole move with a hint of dry sarcasm that women love
3) Makes her chase you and likes you

I used to be such a shy guy and now I can't coexist with an attractive women without at least trying to fuck her.

(08-13-2014 08:48 PM)CJ Wrote:  There's a couple old topics on "screening" but nothing really definitive... I'm working on one now. Anything you fellas feel I should include? I've already got quite a bit written down, but I'm always welcome to ideas, especially things that "MUST" be in this guide.

Hoping to put this one up before I go on my trip to Tennessee next week!

I'd be interesting in reading it.

For me, there's screening for the first encounter, and screening for additional encounters

First Encounter
- obvious big time red flags

Subsequent Hook Ups
- traits and habits that are against what I want.

The #2 is vital, cause you want to figure out what her long term behavior has been w.o having to spend a long time with her.

WIA

Thanks WIA. Breathe in, breathe out and be the man.