Post: #351

That OkC chick doesn't like my lifestyle one bit

We'll see if she accepts it!

Post: #352

So far, I haven't hit my summer dry spell. The opposite is happening. I've been hitting eights lately.

I still can't get over that last night's tall Danish model type told me that she always has people buying her stuff because she's tall and pretty. That's disgusting to me. Zombie beta guys really need to stop putting women on pedestals.

She told me I was the first guy that she had ever bought a drink for.

I literally did this last night to her and she fucking loved it.

Post: #353

Feel bad for this one guy from a different town. I hooked up with this girl he was in love with a few years back and now his current girlfriend wants me.

Sorry dude. It's not personal, it's just business.

Post: #354

A couple of white lies here and there and that chick decided to stick around.

I just took apart my bed to move it to my new place. Looks like my power slams have destroyed the support beams under the box springs. I need some new planks

Post: #355

Too many Kaijus out in Brooklyn tonight.

Post: #356

Fuck bitches, get money.

Post: #357

I had another failure tonight on my zero-date-bang quest. My record for the past 1.5 months = 9 girls direct to my place from Tinder/OKC, 6 bangs, 3 no-bangs. This one followed the same path as the other 2 failures - I wish I could better express how, but it's a series of subtle actions by the girl that clues me in to whether or not she is DTF. I knew after about 45 minutes that it probably wasn't going to happen. I'm sure you guys have all experienced this same thing. And again tonight, as soon as I went for the make out, she played along for a minute, then she said she had to get going home.

I wonder why this is? I think it's because her hamster goes into overdrive as soon as we start kissing, and she knows that if she sticks around, she's going to end up sleeping with me. I could tell this girl wanted to stick around and have some fun, but I didn't do a good enough job of calming her hamster.

The most interesting thing about the zero-date-bang approach is how black & white the process becomes. It's all or nothing - I either bang her, or she goes home and I never hear from her again. It's very abrasive on my ego, since having a semi-drunk girl already in my place should be like taking candy from a baby. The bang is there for the taking, since I've eliminated 99% of other dating issues that come up in the game. When it works it's great, when I let her walk out the door, it's depressing as all hell and I start second guessing everything.

I feel like I need to go back and analyze these "first dates" that happen in my place. I need to work in a venue change style move to get her moving and not thinking so much, and perhaps even some physical activity like playing a board game. That way, after I go for the first kiss, we can "go back" to playing the board game, which would give her hamster time to cool down. Right now when I go for the kiss, it's kind of like putting her on the spot and making her decide if she wants to stay and bang or leave and not bang. I don't know if this shit is making sense to anyone else, or if I'm talking out of my ass??

Or, perhaps like anything else in the game, I need to stop looking at anything as a sure thing. Even if the girl comes to my place, it's still a numbers game, and sometimes it just doesn't work out.

addendum: this girl was from Tinder, and drove over 60 miles to come seem me. She hooked super hard on the app and via text, so I really thought it was a sure thing. Fuck. Talk about a confidence killer.

Post: #358

(07-22-2013 12:47 AM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  I had another failure tonight on my zero-date-bang quest. My record for the past 1.5 months = 9 girls direct to my place from Tinder/OKC, 6 bangs, 3 no-bangs. This one followed the same path as the other 2 failures - I wish I could better express how, but it's a series of subtle actions by the girl that clues me in to whether or not she is DTF. I knew after about 45 minutes that it probably wasn't going to happen. I'm sure you guys have all experienced this same thing. And again tonight, as soon as I went for the make out, she played along for a minute, then she said she had to get going home.

I wonder why this is? I think it's because her hamster goes into overdrive as soon as we start kissing, and she knows that if she sticks around, she's going to end up sleeping with me. I could tell this girl wanted to stick around and have some fun, but I didn't do a good enough job of calming her hamster.

The most interesting thing about the zero-date-bang approach is how black & white the process becomes. It's all or nothing - I either bang her, or she goes home and I never hear from her again. It's very abrasive on my ego, since having a semi-drunk girl already in my place should be like taking candy from a baby. The bang is there for the taking, since I've eliminated 99% of other dating issues that come up in the game. When it works it's great, when I let her walk out the door, it's depressing as all hell and I start second guessing everything.

I feel like I need to go back and analyze these "first dates" that happen in my place. I need to work in a venue change style move to get her moving and not thinking so much, and perhaps even some physical activity like playing a board game. That way, after I go for the first kiss, we can "go back" to playing the board game, which would give her hamster time to cool down. Right now when I go for the kiss, it's kind of like putting her on the spot and making her decide if she wants to stay and bang or leave and not bang. I don't know if this shit is making sense to anyone else, or if I'm talking out of my ass??

Or, perhaps like anything else in the game, I need to stop looking at anything as a sure thing. Even if the girl comes to my place, it's still a numbers game, and sometimes it just doesn't work out.

addendum: this girl was from Tinder, and drove over 60 miles to come seem me. She hooked super hard on the app and via text, so I really thought it was a sure thing. Fuck. Talk about a confidence killer.

Where are you operating?

My experience in NYC so far has been that if a girl comes "Fresh Direct" to my house, the bang is on.

Depending on how drunk she is, you do have to display some formality or at the very least let her know that you have in enough social intelligence to try to support her plausible deniability.

For example, if it's in the middle of the day, I'll at least offer her some Tequilla.

You also have to be careful not to treat it like a regular and date to not wait too long to go for the kiss.

Most of the "game" in these experiences happens on that first kiss. You can't just lunge at her like a caveman. You have to go through all the kino stages in that first kiss.

I go in very gentle and pull my lips away from them before they can. Then I hover my lips in front of her to see if she will reciprocate. She wants to, but she's waiting to see if you are going to go caveman. It's like a staring contest.

Be patient in these first moments.

When I get the greenlight, which usually entails her getting more in to it, then I escalate by putting her hand on my cock.

"We're not having sex" she might say.

"That's ok, I don't have any expectations" is a good reply. And keep on escalating.

If you are escalating a lot and she's still acting if-y, make sure you preface the reach for the condom with "I'm getting something just in case."

Also, it's really important that when you first meet her at your door that you are super relaxed about the whole thing. Act as if she's an old friend who's dropped by to smoke a blunt or something (this could be a good idea as well).

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I'm noticing that guys in the field are using some of the openers I'm posting on the forum.

This is funny.

I've also noticed that almost all my interactions, be it day or night, use the elderly chat and baiting technique that Roosh outlines in Day Bang.

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I've been using girls' Iphone against them. Girls are always going to check their iphones, so you might as well be the one commanding them to do it.

I drop a lot of bait about the art and music that I make, and tell a girl to look up these demonstrations of high value on the spot.

If you haven't done this already, I suggest you create online demonstrations of high value (yay a new "pua" term- "ODHV"s!). You can very quickly build yourself up in a matter of minutes to a girl by showing her these, and it's discreet.

It could be anything cool that you've done- maybe a tumbler of your photos from a recent scuba diving trip, or pictures of you working with starving kids in Africa, or pictures of you at a party surrounded by hotter "friend" girls than her (be careful not to make this try hard), etc.

The point is that you can use her own iphone to show her your world.

So, now the iphone is a tool for us.

If she balks about using her iphone and asks about using yours, you can tell her that yours is acting weird or something.

Post: #359

Soup you are awesome I swear.

Booked a hotel in my local area and I'm taking the chick with the world of warcraft playing fiance there tomorrow night. Hotel is pretty cheap on cost me £50 which isn't bad.
The bar I usually take chicks to is down the road from it as well in Clapham south.
I think I might have a comfy spot of being able to take chicks to this bar and then back to this hotel from now on if the hotel is decent enough.
I'm gonna get a flat later on this year with some friends in maybe East London or somewhere similar this will be the first time in ages I've had my own place (living with fam atm) I can see my notch count rising.

13 this year so far at the age of 24.. Not bad seeming I don't have my own place

Post: #360

(07-22-2013 07:02 AM)soup Wrote:  Where are you operating?

My experience in NYC so far has been that if a girl comes "Fresh Direct" to my house, the bang is on.

Depending on how drunk she is, you do have to display some formality or at the very least let her know that you have in enough social intelligence to try to support her plausible deniability.

For example, if it's in the middle of the day, I'll at least offer her some Tequilla.

You also have to be careful not to treat it like a regular and date to not wait too long to go for the kiss.

Most of the "game" in these experiences happens on that first kiss. You can't just lunge at her like a caveman. You have to go through all the kino stages in that first kiss.

I go in very gentle and pull my lips away from them before they can. Then I hover my lips in front of her to see if she will reciprocate. She wants to, but she's waiting to see if you are going to go caveman. It's like a staring contest.

Be patient in these first moments.

When I get the greenlight, which usually entails her getting more in to it, then I escalate by putting her hand on my cock.

"We're not having sex" she might say.

"That's ok, I don't have any expectations" is a good reply. And keep on escalating.

If you are escalating a lot and she's still acting if-y, make sure you preface the reach for the condom with "I'm getting something just in case."

Also, it's really important that when you first meet her at your door that you are super relaxed about the whole thing. Act as if she's an old friend who's dropped by to smoke a blunt or something (this could be a good idea as well).

This is really great advice, thanks for taking the time to reply. Come to think of it, I have been going a bit too much caveman, which I'm sure is a turn off to some girls. It sounds like I need to go for the kiss quicker, but with more grace and patience when I move in, and a bit more build up/kino leading up to it.

Post: #361

(07-22-2013 11:07 AM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  This is really great advice, thanks for taking the time to reply. Come to think of it, I have been going a bit too much caveman, which I'm sure is a turn off to some girls. It sounds like I need to go for the kiss quicker, but with more grace and patience when I move in, and a bit more build up/kino leading up to it.

I didn't read through your other posts, but I do agree in that going caveman all the time is probably too much, and may put out some good prospects.

I do like caveman game myself, and it's when I do best. But if you are one on one with a girl, isolated, she is receptive and maybe both of you are a drink or two in, its best to just sit back sometimes.

Let her start to wonder if you'll make a move. Just be relaxed and laid back, have a comfortable and strong frame and build up sexual tension.

Sometimes she'll give an overly obvious sign she wants you to kiss/start a makeout. You can take it there if you want, and having waited until here ensures you avoid going too caveman from the start.

I used to think waiting too long as a result of nervousness and her giving me signs was a bad thing, since it seemed I was waiting for a perfect moment. And it was, except once you're more comfortable and escalating isn't an issue, your mentality can change.

Now it's fun to hold out and play with the tension and test waiting things out. I see two things she could be thinking:

Either she thinks you might be inexperienced with girls, nervous, unsure of yourself etc.

Or that you might be deciding whether you're attracted to her, contemplating if she is cool enough, trying to qualify her in your head etc.

The difference is the frame and confidence you project around her. Aim for her to be thinking what is obviously better about you.

This is even stronger when you have isolated her in a spot sex can happen (at your place). Sometimes they will even make the move and go cavewoman on you.

Post: #362

Post: #363

Would you guys hang out with a girl and her friends after you already banged? I really don't give a damn about her friends but they are important to her. I've met her BFF 2 times already but she wants me to hang out with her and her BFF's boyfriend.

Post: #364

That depends.

It sounds like she likes you enough to be her boyfriend - take that as a compliment.

But you have to decide: do you want something more with this girl, or do you just want to bang her a few more times and move on?

Post: #365

Okay, I met this girl a week ago.

Cliffnotes on the whole thing:

• She told me that she picked me to date because she thought we would make cute babies.
• She's a super-Christian who is a virgin that wants to wait until she is "madly in love" with me to have sex.
• She hinted at me through a roundabout story that in her dream scenario we move to Hawaii ten years from now to have kids.
• She is texting me everyday to hang out now.
• She also knows where I live.
  

I think I might have a stalker on my hands.

Post: #366

Does anyone here who has LTR side with the girl's parents as a way of antagonizing her?

Like telling her to call her mom. It could be a way of making yourself higher in status than her.

The beta might side with everything she says "my mom is so annoying blah blah"

Post: #367

(07-22-2013 07:31 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  Okay, I met this girl a week ago.

Cliffnotes on the whole thing:

• She told me that she picked me to date because she thought we would make cute babies.
• She's a super-Christian who is a virgin that wants to wait until she is "madly in love" with me to have sex.
• She hinted at me through a roundabout story that in her dream scenario we move to Hawaii ten years from now to have kids.
• She is texting me everyday to hang out now.
• She also knows where I live.
  

I think I might have a stalker on my hands.

Sounds like it's all or nothing, man.

Went on a date with a brazilian girl earlier. Hard as hell to converse. Not the most interesting girl, but she was alright. Got a short make-out, nothing more at that. See if it turns out into anything. Server girl let me down last week telling me her relationship status changed - and now is texting me and invited me to a party in a week or so. Not sure what's goin' on, but I don't do the whole friends thing, so I want to clarify that quick. Hanging out with a cute 18 y/o blondie tomorrow, so that should be entertaining.

Post: #368

(07-20-2013 10:09 PM)kickboxer Wrote:  A couple of white lies here and there and that chick decided to stick around.

I just took apart my bed to move it to my new place. Looks like my power slams have destroyed the support beams under the box springs. I need some new planks

We laugh, but I wonder how many of us have destroyed beds compared to the average guy.

I bent the fuck out of a futon bed, and the final deathblows came during the same night my girl's roommate walked in me dominating her from behind in the living room.

At first I thought the girl I rocked would get self-conscious, but she was actually more annoyed that her roommate stared at my ass the whole time she was walking by to get past us.

Post: #369

(07-22-2013 11:24 PM)soup Wrote:  Does anyone here who has LTR side with the girl's parents as a way of antagonizing her?

Like telling her to call her mom. It could be a way of making yourself higher in status than her.

The beta might side with everything she says "my mom is so annoying blah blah"

Hell yeah.

Gaming parents can be really key to setting expectations for the future and squashing potential arguments.

Dad: Don't want to come off overconfident, but also show you can provide and protect. Downplay any player/sexual traits.

Mom: Light flirting, if she's foreign, learn a few phrases in her language, it impresses the aunts too. Compliment her on the things you want her daughter to improve on (i.e. for cooking: "you have to teach ___ more of your recipes!"). This can create a "I told you so" attitude from Mom, and also makes some girls think twice about rejecting traditional feminine skills/roles.

And in terms of taking the parents side, it's good because it establishes you as the authority figure. I've had multiple girls argue with me about stuff, then admit later that I was completely right, similar to their parents, and that they were just being stubborn or overly emotional.

You want to be rock hard with her in more areas than just the bedroom.

Post: #370

I broke my box spring last summer and most recently broke the bed of an old fb a few months ago. I think it's due to the whole back and forth movement rather than slamming a Ho down. Either way it sucks ass sleeping on an incline afterwards.

Post: #371

(07-23-2013 04:56 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  I broke my box spring last summer and most recently broke the bed of an old fb a few months ago. I think it's due to the whole back and forth movement rather than slamming a Ho down. Either way it sucks ass sleeping on an incline afterwards.

You better be careful sleeping on a messed up bed. I might have gotten a herniated disc from that.

Post: #372

(07-23-2013 10:41 AM)soup Wrote:  

(07-23-2013 04:56 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  I broke my box spring last summer and most recently broke the bed of an old fb a few months ago. I think it's due to the whole back and forth movement rather than slamming a Ho down. Either way it sucks ass sleeping on an incline afterwards.

You better be careful sleeping on a messed up bed. I might have gotten a herniated disc from that.

I have my bed on risers. I can slide flat storage bins underneath and it's the perfect height to stand and fuck a girl either on her back on the bed or with her standing up against the side of the bed and her stomach flat on the top of the bed (or her propped up on her arms). The risers make some crazy noises sometimes, but I've not managed to bust them, yet. I try to not hump land whales too, though.

Post: #373

About to head out to OKC date.

Hoping she's not a secret-internet-kaiju.

Maybe I should get in my Jaeger

Post: #374

Got Kaijued..

Realized that the hot girls want you to ignore them and fuck them.

Un-attractive girls want the attention of hot girls, but are too ashamed to open up in a sexual way.

Verdict- go for hotter girls.

Post: #375

Finally get to hangout with this girl without her friend being there.

Movie night at her place. Me gusta . I don't have to worry about her spending the night or getting her Taquitos from Whataburger in the morning.

I do want to try out my new beds support beams. It feels much more sturdy than it used to.