(06-30-2016 08:31 PM)toejam Wrote:  How do you guys tell a chick you haven't banged that you'd rather meet at her place than a bar?
Ive been on a hot streak but I just can't afford hotels anymore.

Met a chick, went for drinks, made out day 1. Logistics was off, mistake on my part.
This was months ago she's been trying to connect but I've been away for work. She travels too.

She just messaged me asking if I want to go to a show and I'm in a lazy mood I really want to sit on a couch and finger bang her rather than go to a loud show. she's 15 years younger than me.

Ive read some of the reports and it seems like a good idea to choose venue close to her house so we can bounce there. .. but im a bit too tired for that too. Any general text script for just inserting yourself into the chicks crib before the first bang?

I've never been so tired and all I wanna do is be indoors, not out. Not looking forward to 40

I would invite myself for dinner she cooked. Tell her to cook it for you.

I'll start using that moving forward.
But in this case she shut that idea down. She still wants to hang out though

(06-30-2016 08:31 PM)toejam Wrote:  How do you guys tell a chick you haven't banged that you'd rather meet at her place than a bar?
Ive been on a hot streak but I just can't afford hotels anymore.

Met a chick, went for drinks, made out day 1. Logistics was off, mistake on my part.
This was months ago she's been trying to connect but I've been away for work. She travels too.

She just messaged me asking if I want to go to a show and I'm in a lazy mood I really want to sit on a couch and finger bang her rather than go to a loud show. she's 15 years younger than me.

Ive read some of the reports and it seems like a good idea to choose venue close to her house so we can bounce there. .. but im a bit too tired for that too. Any general text script for just inserting yourself into the chicks crib before the first bang?

I've never been so tired and all I wanna do is be indoors, not out. Not looking forward to 40

Don't go for the bang until you've got the logistics situated.

So figure out where she lives and who she lives with.

If you aren't running real text game, then this will fuck you over.

Stage 1 - gathering the intel

- "I'm over by such and such, what neighborhood are you in"

- "Got that place to yourself, nice! With this economy lot of folks have roommates - one of the guys I work with..."

- "I love that neighborhood, have you been to Bar X?"

- "We should totally do drinks there"

So that puts you in her hood.

Stage 2 - After she agrees to meet at her local bar

Run your game at the bar in her hood. If she picked the bar that she goes to all the time, get her to go to a quieter one. You have to minimize her distractions from social ties in order to run proper game.

So re-open, re-attract, re-qualify, all the while you're flirting. A drink or two. Heavy eye contact. Break the touch barrier to make sure she's receptive. Standard game.

Stage 3 - After she's on the hook, and really digging you

"Oh you're into Mexican earthenware, I totally gotta check that out. But no funny business, I gotta get to work early"

"oh you've got a weiner dog, I love weiner dogs...I gotta meet em"

"Or lemme walk you home, give you a lift home..."

Or, "can I sober up a little at your place"

or

"you've got any wine at home? Or let's grab a bottle and finish this conversation" (If you want to be more bold)

As long as you haven't said out loud "I'm trying to fuck you at your house" and the vibe is good, and she's digging you -she'll offer up her place.

You're giving her plausible deniability. And you're getting isolation.

From there it's keeping it cool before you slide into home plate.

But the biggest keys to fucking at her place
- giving her a reason to meet you close to her place
- giving her a natural reason for you to check out her place.
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Also

The younger a chick is, the more you'll be able to tap into her crazy side and bang her in the car/at the bar bathroom, et cetera. This is irrespective of YOUR age.

You can bang a 20 year old @ 3pm behind the merry go round at the amusement park.

WIA

kaotic Wrote:The next time you see her, you better get her to your house and ravage her. Otherwise this girl is a bust.

Next step, setup the next date.

Texted her last night and she agreed to a night hike near my place on Saturday night.

On another note, the stuff I read here really does help. Had an occasional fuck buddy over the other night, she's somewhat kinky and let's me do pretty much whatever I want including some BDSM submissive aspects. After I fucked her good we were chilling on my front porch talking before she left, she's telling me "You're so good at fucking my body and my mind!" She knows we're not exclusive and blurts out "So how many are you having sex with?"

Me:<smirk> eleventy-two
Her: Huh? What's that?
Me: An imaginary number. <Pat her on the head, kiss her cheek> You're so cute.
Her: blah blah <distracted and subject changed>

RunsWithScissors Wrote:Had a second date scheduled with my the dental assistant for Saturday, she's been texting me every day all week showing lots of interest. I text her mid-day Saturday to talk about plans and she flakes saying her female friend is going through a hard time and said we could meet another night next week.

I went out with my buddy to shoot some pool that night and guess who walks into the pool hall with another dude and sits within 10 feet of me? She pretended to not see me but I saw him eyeball me a few times. I managed to not get too rattled and as my second drink kicked in my pool game improved massively as it always does. They left after an hour or so, I had a good time with my buddy and moved onto another to the local Irish bar hotspot where we chatted with a bachelorette party and several other drunk women. It was a fun night, and I'll get a kick out of her reaction the next time I go to the dentist.

WTF, she just texted me as if everything was fine chatting about what she's been up to. Could she possibly think I didn't see her at the bar? I'm not sure what to do here. Part of me thinks I should never speak to her again for lying to me. But I would like to fuck her. Do I just not bring it up, invite her over one evening next week and try my best to escalate quickly?

(07-01-2016 11:03 AM)RunsWithScissors Wrote:  

RunsWithScissors Wrote:Had a second date scheduled with my the dental assistant for Saturday, she's been texting me every day all week showing lots of interest. I text her mid-day Saturday to talk about plans and she flakes saying her female friend is going through a hard time and said we could meet another night next week.

I went out with my buddy to shoot some pool that night and guess who walks into the pool hall with another dude and sits within 10 feet of me? She pretended to not see me but I saw him eyeball me a few times. I managed to not get too rattled and as my second drink kicked in my pool game improved massively as it always does. They left after an hour or so, I had a good time with my buddy and moved onto another to the local Irish bar hotspot where we chatted with a bachelorette party and several other drunk women. It was a fun night, and I'll get a kick out of her reaction the next time I go to the dentist.

WTF, she just texted me as if everything was fine chatting about what she's been up to. Could she possibly think I didn't see her at the bar? I'm not sure what to do here. Part of me thinks I should never speak to her again for lying to me. But I would like to fuck her. Do I just not bring it up, invite her over one evening next week and try my best to escalate quickly?

I wouldn't get too worked up about this. When in doubt, girls always notice/see/observe whatever you're questioning. I'm sure she saw you in the bar. Sounds like you did something right if she's reaching out to you now. Maybe her date was a dud in comparison, maybe she likes the competition arising. Also, she probably doesn't think she lied at all. Her friend probably had a small issue a month ago, which allows her to anchor her excuse in some vestige of reality. Girls brains work in funny ways.

Anyways, I leave you with some Blurredsevens wisdom. Come back to us Blurred <3

(06-01-2015 08:40 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 08:36 PM)Ausguy Wrote:  She sent a couple more message but I didn't bother replying.

You can continue to stroke your ego, or you can get these girls to stroke your cock.

Choose wisely.

I need to start going out more to game girls dancing. My dance floor game is so tight it's literally effortless to pull numbers and get at least one date and bang out of it. It's like riding a bike. Never forget how to do it.

First date in a long time.

Lessons Learned:
* Coming late is king
* Girls will shit test but don't be afraid
* Don't be afraid to go on dates

(07-02-2016 01:39 AM)realologist Wrote:  I need to start going out more to game girls dancing. My dance floor game is so tight it's literally effortless to pull numbers and get at least one date and bang out of it. It's like riding a bike. Never forget how to do it.

I'm very interested in dancefloor game, did you take any particular lessons? any youtube tutorials ? where do you think a stiff 6ft1 dude like me should start?
samseaus here suggested to take swing lessons
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-5002.html

Yesterday:
Was walking together with a forum member heading for a out door bar, saw a girl crossing the street and got that really strong feeling in my stomach.
Hesitated a bit then ran after her and opened her direct.

Very fast introduce and then hold her hand through the whole conversation, she called out on it and said she liked it.
Kept talking for a minute or two then said I had to go back to my friend and that we should go out drink beer together, she started talking about facebook but i said No i dont want that, you have to come up with something else so she gave me her email hehe, will send something tomorrow.
The reason i didnt get her number is she got home from a long abroad the day before and didnt have a local number yet, at least that what she said.

My other, old leads feels somewhat cold but i am still talking with two of them so you never know.

(07-02-2016 05:04 AM)Il Sorpasso Wrote:  

(07-02-2016 01:39 AM)realologist Wrote:  I need to start going out more to game girls dancing. My dance floor game is so tight it's literally effortless to pull numbers and get at least one date and bang out of it. It's like riding a bike. Never forget how to do it.

I'm very interested in dancefloor game, did you take any particular lessons? any youtube tutorials ? where do you think a stiff 6ft1 dude like me should start?
samseaus here suggested to take swing lessons
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-5002.html

I'm just as tall as you are. It plays a big advantage once you can dance because most guys let alone big guys can't dance. This thread details what I did to get good at dancing.

(07-02-2016 06:56 AM)Burn Wrote:  Yesterday:
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The reason i didnt get her number is she got home from a long abroad the day before and didnt have a local number yet, at least that what she said.
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Sounds like bullshit - more like she just didn't want to give out her number to you. Either way, shoot the email in a day or two and see what happens.

(06-30-2016 06:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I usually pull hair teasingly, slap asses, and subtly suggest she probably likes more. Gauge, then up the ante, more hair pulling, bit harder, slap harder, with light rubbing of the neck slowly grasp harder and harder.

If this is nothing for her, once again subtly suggest she likes other shit like whips and cuffs.

I push as far as I can go every time.

Agreed. Although I think grabbing her during the venue bounce and making out is still an A+ move, but WIA move of continually building tension is good too. I've noticed some girls will just kiss you in public but as soon as you get them home they are ripping your clothes off anyway, esp the less jaded ones.

If she loves being choked and manhandled I usually show her the cuffs and toys or simply ask if she likes being tied up. Then I move on to the level above simply using handcuffs or etc. Again, show them what else you have if she agrees to be tied up but go slow never ever get them to do something they don't want to do/willing to try once. You can escalate all the B+D moves later...if she's willing to let you handcuff and fuck her, she'll let you do a lot more next time imho. And a lot of girls are into being totally restricted but not into pain other than spanking or light choking. But the ones that squeeze your hand harder around their neck are the most fun.

Went to a local backyard bbq. There now. Everyone here is a hippo. Cot damn I didn't realize how fat people are. Gonna eat and bounce home from this fat convention.
Spoke to one of the neighbors but kept it moving.
Nobody even remotely close to being worth kicking it to.

Im full though and the dj they hired is on point.
I may go to ny later to try some approaches. I need to start approaching

Damn.
Since my breakup 2 months ago I was at the chicks desert and could find some in anyway, I thought I was cursed. Yesterday I arranged date with really beautyful girl and everything went smoothly. I let her wait for me on rain, then hit some coffeteria. She was entertaining, we had a lot to talk about and drank some alcohol. I drank beer and she ordered me vodka (she wanted me to be drunk?). We had a lot of common, she looks to be quality girl and enjoys active way of life as I do and has good opinions, the same as me. We found out, that we trained MMA in same gym few years ago. Coffeteria was closing at midnight. She wanted to go her home by taxi, but I put some struggle in and even though, there was not any good opportunity to physicaly escalate, we went to my place. On the way, she mentioned that I won´t get what I want, but I didn´t pay attention to that.
When we were at my place, I started to undress her but she stopped me. Don´t care, continue. Stopped me probably another one thousand times. Biggest achievment was putting down bra. She said that she has strong principles and doesn´t bang on first date. Don´t care, continue... but she was still resisting. When I stopped and just lied on the bed, she always started to tease me (started kissing me all over my body, sat on me,...), so I always started again, with different approach. I tried to be naturally dominant, then changed to be soft, then changed to hardcore domination (that was really crazy, because she knows BJJ, it was real fight).... nothing worked. She was still paying me compliments about my body, how good am I and so on. But also asking me shitty questions through which she wanted to know, that I don´t want only ONS. And she was still saying, that she doesn´t bang on first date. After 3 hours long (!!!!) struggle, she said, that cannot sleep there. Not because of me trying to fuck her, but because of inner power in her trying to fuck me. And called taxi.
I got really mad and started to act insulted and stopped talking to her. So she went away, I was expecting message from her while in taxi, but nothing happened.

So what are my options? Nexting is not an option at the moment, I must bang her.
Am I supposed to wait until she writes (she definitely has some kind of womans abundance mentality) and risk that she won´t? OR is this just shit test, that is supposed to prove, that I don´t have only ONS intention?
Nice celebration of 2 months anniversary of not having sex

-Dont act insulted. Thats beta.

-Next her.

-Stop keeping track of your dry spells. (Stop counting the days since you last had sex)

I decided that this weekend I will maintain radio silence. Come Tuesday or Wednesday I will send out photo texts of some fun things I did this weekend. Maybe pictures of boats to throw into the mix

Dolly Parton on Jolene.

"She had everything I didn't, like legs — you know, she was about 6 feet tall. And had all that stuff that some little short, sawed-off honky like me don't have," Parton says. "So no matter how beautiful a woman might be, you're always threatened by certain... You're always threatened by other women, period.""

http://www.npr.org/2008/10/09/95520570/d...ts-singers

Game is everywhere.

WIA

From her wikipedia page:

Quote:On May 30, 1966, Parton and Carl Thomas Dean (born July 20, 1942 in Nashville, Tennessee) were married in Ringgold, Georgia.[94][95] Although Parton does not use Dean's surname professionally, she has stated that her passport says "Dolly Parton Dean" and that she sometimes uses Dean when signing contracts.[96]

Dean, who is retired from running an asphalt road-paving business in Nashville, has always shunned publicity and rarely accompanies his wife to any events. According to Parton, he has seen her perform only once. However, she has also commented in interviews that, although it appears they spend little time together, it is simply that nobody sees him publicly. She has commented on Dean's romantic side, saying that he does spontaneous things to surprise her and sometimes even writes poems for her.[97]

Parton and Dean helped raise several of Parton's younger siblings in Nashville, leading her nieces and nephews to refer to her as "Aunt Granny", a moniker that later lent its name to one of Parton's Dollywood restaurants. The couple have no children of their own but Parton is the godmother of performer Miley Cyrus.[98]

In 2011, the couple celebrated their 45th anniversary. Later, Parton said, "We're really proud of our marriage. It's the first for both of us. And the last."[99]

On May 6, 2016 Parton announced that she and her husband would renew their vows in honor of their fiftieth wedding anniversary later in the month.[100]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_Part...sonal_life

Hard to know what really goes on in a marriage but I have to assume he has to have a certain amount of game to have kept her interest when she was an A-list sex symbol.

Girl with the moles flaked a couple hours before the date on Saturday. I'm inclined to let it go unless she reaches out to me since she didn't offer a reschedule.

Dental assistant that flaked on me last week for another dude invited me to a local bar Fri night to hang with her coworkers, wonder if she's trying to set me up with one of them. I have my kids so didn't go, gonna let that one go too unless I hear from her.

Am I wrong with my thinking here? Feels like pursuing them, especially after flaky behavior, is soft and needy. But at the same time I know they want to be pursued. I suppose I just need to be busy with the fun stuff I want to do and invite them to join me if I would enjoy their company.

Reminder: it never hurts to hit up previously stale leads.

I sent out a mass happy-4th-text and ended up on a date today with this body builder chick (nothing special really a soft 6/10 but I want to bang a chick with bigger traps and shoulder than me for some reason...) Went to the gym together (lol) sje wants to go out again Fri.

Also restarted crazy shittest hot chick from last week that straight told me she was "not interested in pursuing any further" Ended up getting a date with her this weekend.

Turned down sex tonight with a regular of mine simply because she was giving girly non-commital/bait-y answers to straight forward questions.

Me: so you want a late night visit
Her: if u want to

F that S. Ate ribs, taught myself how to play star spangled banner on guitar, and now going to bed.

The game goes on.

(07-04-2016 12:42 PM)RunsWithScissors Wrote:  Girl with the moles flaked a couple hours before the date on Saturday. I'm inclined to let it go unless she reaches out to me since she didn't offer a reschedule.

Smart play

(07-04-2016 12:42 PM)RunsWithScissors Wrote:  Dental assistant that flaked on me last week for another dude invited me to a local bar Fri night to hang with her coworkers, wonder if she's trying to set me up with one of them. I have my kids so didn't go, gonna let that one go too unless I hear from her.

Am I wrong with my thinking here? Feels like pursuing them, especially after flaky behavior, is soft and needy. But at the same time I know they want to be pursued. I suppose I just need to be busy with the fun stuff I want to do and invite them to join me if I would enjoy their company.

At your level of game avoid the "meet my network" trap.

In both of these cases, the chicks have all of the power. Basically you aren't valuable enough to them right now in order for them to change their plans. This suggests that the real problem was the initial pull.

The 2nd one in particular is being a bit cunty by flaunting the other date and then inviting you to an impossible situation. She probably doesn't see it as impossible, but it took me a while to figure out how to turn that situation to my advantage. It's not for freshman players

As for continuing to pursue them, you're letting your ego creep into the picture. Your self doubt and your idea of what an alpha/man does poison effectiveness.

Of course you should go after them.

Back in the day, we'd call doing anything for a girl "supplication." You can't just do nothing.

So to manage this you need a change in mindset.

These aren't the only attractive women you're ever going to meet. There are hundreds of millions, with brand new ones becoming available to you daily.

More importantly, you need to pull your ego from this entire endeavor.

These are data points. And now you're going to be a scientist of poon. Stop caring whether or not you fuck either of these bitches. Start asking yourself

What if I...
- sent this chick a text that said " r u up" at 12:23 a.m..
- what if I see this chick at her bar and totally have a ball with everyone else but her

You're in the learning stage of game, so you should be trying to figure out where the social boundaries are and what your misconceptions are.

Both of these bitches are giving you great opportunities to try new things and change how you think about the world.

Red pill or not, you're still in the matrix.

WIA

Great 4th of July Weekend and fat confidence booster gamewise.

Went out to a Jersey Shore beach bar yesterday with a girl I started smashing last weekend along with a couple of her friends. She's 23, very cute and fun to be around, but is a confirmed sloot and super flirtatious. She has a real hard time "being mean" or making a firm rejection on virtually any dude, and she couldn't walk 10 feet in any direction without being approached by another drunk, roided-up caveman that was twice my size. I was letting her play because I'm not taking her seriously, but the shit testing was relentless and I can't deny she got under my skin. She was running around in a tiny bikini letting dudes grind up on her, handing out her number to anyone who asked, and only pushing dudes away (passively) when they inevitably thought it was time to make out - all within five feet of me. I was having fun lightly flirting with girls and chatting a few guys up, but it was impossible to ignore.

I reached my boiling point when another 6'3" motherfucker started chatting her up and kept his arm around the top of her ass for five minutes with zero resistance. Very frustrating and disrespectful, but I didn't want to act butthurt. Two can play this game bitch.

To take my mind off it, I channeled my anger, picked out the hottest girl in the bathroom line nearby, and approached her direct. She was a beautiful fit black girl, big fake tits, about 5'11" (I'm a little under 5'9"). She was definitely surprised I came up to her, but she didn't really reject me.

20 minutes later when my crew of girls went to the bathroom, I was just as surprised when the black girl approached ME to give me her number. She told me she wanted to go dancing later and that I should join her. I told her I'd call her later.

I gathered my group of drunk hoes and took them back to one of the girls parents' house a couple towns away. I drove back to my apartment, got changed, and met up with the black girl at a club that happened to be right down the street from my house.

The bar ended up being pretty lame, but she showed up looking absolutely stunning. A random girl interrupted our conversation just to compliment her on how hot she was. Turns out my girl doesn't drink or party at all due to a heart defect. Amazingly, this doesn't stop her from working as a go-go dancer in Atlantic City.

She was going out of her way to touch me, laughing at my jokes, and was all-around great to hang out with. I knew it wasn't going anywhere that night and I had work early, so we parted ways after only 45 minutes with plans to go sober clubbing later this week.

When I got home, I texted the flirty 23 year old to come over and she quickly obliged. I absolutely pummeled her until the wee hours of the morning. Both girls are enthusiastically texting me at work right now.

WestIndianArchie Wrote:In both of these cases, the chicks have all of the power. Basically you aren't valuable enough to them right now in order for them to change their plans. This suggests that the real problem was the initial pull.

I agree, I don't escalate and communicate attraction quickly enough, especially if girls aren't positively responsive when I go to make out with them. When they are receptive it works out well, but I'm seeing that's the easy(er) part.

WestIndianArchie Wrote:As for continuing to pursue them, you're letting your ego creep into the picture. Your self doubt and your idea of what an alpha/man does poison effectiveness.
...
More importantly, you need to pull your ego from this entire endeavor.

My ego doesn't just creep, it's always in the way. I talk about this in my post in the Newbie forum. I want help letting go of this.

WestIndianArchie Wrote:These are data points. And now you're going to be a scientist of poon. Stop caring whether or not you fuck either of these bitches. Start asking yourself

What if I...
- sent this chick a text that said " r u up" at 12:23 a.m..
- what if I see this chick at her bar and totally have a ball with everyone else but her

You're in the learning stage of game, so you should be trying to figure out where the social boundaries are and what your misconceptions are.

Both of these bitches are giving you great opportunities to try new things and change how you think about the world.

Red pill or not, you're still in the matrix.

This is helpful. Trial and error to learn and grow, while participating here for tips and advice. I particularly like your second suggestion about having a blast with everyone else but her, that's brilliant.

Thank you.

(07-03-2016 01:57 AM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  Nexting is not an option at the moment, I must bang her.