Sometimes I think I'm too harsh with some of these broads. Other times Im too laid back. So throwing this out there to get a feel for how ya'll handle a response like:
"Oh that's none of your business"
In conversation I asked her if she voted for Obama previously. I let her have it after that.

Chick I haven't banged yet

Was on "business". They put us in a hotel. As im at front desk I opened a chick I work with but never seen or talked to her. We talked, Got her number in the elevator. Was to tired to follow through that same day. Got to my room and passed out.

I'll save this for next week

Toe, I don't bother bringing up politics or any kind of philosophical discussion with women, unless she truly is intelligent.

I have RVF and my friends for that.

If a girl says it's none of mybusiness about anyting - I automatically swat that shit down.

You flip the script on her.

(07-17-2016 01:58 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Toe, I don't bother bringing up politics or any kind of philosophical discussion with women, unless she truly is intelligent.

Agreed - I actually think I lost myself a solid plate because I brought up ethical ideological discussion with her about something that was on my mind. We disagreed on the topic and I think that got her hamster spinning about how our "core values" are so different that it just "won't work out in the long run" so she didn't want to see me anymore.

She was a typical crunchy vegetarian type chick who was all into organic locally sourced food and probably fully into ethical treatment of animals type shit. I was a brazen meat and dairy eater and didn't care where the fuck it came from and the last time we hung out while at her house I brought up all this hippie bullshit that has been going on about people thinking drinking cow's milk is "wrong" and this and that. She obviously was on the other side of the fence of that discussion.

Keep things light, simple, and fun with chicks; especially when you barely know them beyond just a few dates or a few bangs. She will look for reasons to disqualify you if you haven't got her "hooked" on you. after that, she will look for reasons not to disqualify you.

(07-17-2016 02:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  She will look for reasons to disqualify you if you haven't got her "hooked" on you. after that, she will look for reasons not to disqualify you.

I had one girl I hadn't even met, who was into me, explain how we "were SO different" all because of one picture

I had another girl on a date talk about guns, how she things guys shooting paper targets is lame, then asks what I like to do for fun, "I like shooting paper targets" -grins-, 1 drink later, I cut the date off.

I always let a girl ramble, even if it's about shit I don't care for, the only time I ever stop them if we're on the subject of sex and male/female relations. Then I'll light them up with red pill facts, I always win, I always get the bang.

Other than that, like you said, keep that shit light and fun.

No reason to go into worldly topics about gun control, ISIS, or any of that shit.

Besides they'll ALWAYS have a hamster about SOMETHING.

(07-17-2016 02:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 01:58 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Toe, I don't bother bringing up politics or any kind of philosophical discussion with women, unless she truly is intelligent.

Keep things light, simple, and fun with chicks; especially when you barely know them beyond just a few dates or a few bangs. She will look for reasons to disqualify you if you haven't got her "hooked" on you. after that, she will look for reasons not to disqualify you.

100% cosign this.

(07-17-2016 06:06 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 02:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 01:58 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Toe, I don't bother bringing up politics or any kind of philosophical discussion with women, unless she truly is intelligent.

Keep things light, simple, and fun with chicks; especially when you barely know them beyond just a few dates or a few bangs. She will look for reasons to disqualify you if you haven't got her "hooked" on you. after that, she will look for reasons not to disqualify you.

100% cosign this.

Just like work, don't discuss religion or politics with a woman. Like the comments above, it will give her every reason to disqualify you.

I second the keeping it light and simple; fun and witty banter is what works.

I did my usual. Took her to a spot where they love me. Cool atmosphere, great drinks, social.
Kept things fun, touchy feely on and off. SHE brought up religion and politics.
First, religion: I wasn't stepping on that minefield. I treated it like a fly and swatted that conversation to oblivion. She laughed but now knows not to ask me anything about religion.

Later, she brings up trump and politics. She IS intelligent, well traveled, cultural, and I figure I want to take her political temperature.....so to speak.

Didn't go so well. We made out later, she wants to go out again but was curious how yall handle a basic 'nonya business.' In all honesty there were times when I thought she had been reading Roosh threads... hence the thread. She tossed a few landmines my way but I saw them coming. Not sure if this response was one of them.

In hindsight maybe biting into it wasn't a good idea as said in posts above

Nice to see this thread still going strong and Gio and Kaotic still dropping knowledge.

Not discussing, politics, religion and feminism is a universal rule; women, workplace, places where you are trying to get ahead.

I outright will not discuss these pre-bang. The bang gives you leverage to be real on your opinion and she is already invested. Pre-bang, no-no.

In situations where you are ahead, it's already framed in a powerful manner (you are higher up the social totem pole), you can get away with it but this is rare pre-bang.

I banged plenty of girls by discussing deep, intellectual matters (read: attraction and society) as long as they were sober and it was related. Always brought on with questions to fish out where they stand and then bring it out.

Just avoid feminism but again, if she brings it up, it reveals her character.

This applies to any sort of attraction discussion.

Relationships are like Venn Diagrams, see where you intersect and amplify such values, discussions and ideas.

You will never agree 100% so when you disagree, you get to bring out the playfulness; when you agree, amplify.

I am quite facetious about certain topics (I like to push buttons) and this acts as a litmus test occasionally to know how close or far I am from banging.



- If they outright argue - workable if I direct that energy and lead the interaction to something sexual. Better than vanilla stoic interactions. This is where you gotta be diplomatic and segue into something else.

Frame it properly, tease and move on.

"I don't know if we will get along". -> Whenever I pull this one out of the bag, they lose their shit as it comes from a place of power, you are deciding if she is compatible, not the other way around.

"It's ok, we can still be friends... On Facebook." -> Playful deflection to change conversation.

With any of these situations, remember to touch her. Adapt your body language and tonality. Shit like this seems to be understated on the forum.


- If attracted to you already, she will rationalize it as you being you and congruent (future projection in her mind: he will challenge me and I will grow).

If she isn't, she will think you are incompatible (future: I cannot see myself with this guy, my friends won't like him etc.).

If they react playfully to my facetiousness, hit me, laugh etc, it's on. Then I just direct once again and tone it down as too much of anything kills the vibe.

For most hardcore discussions such as this, I always have my get out of jail card where I just mention, "This is my culture and what I am used to" (I am Greek, patriarchal as fuck).

It also saves time and weeds out shit, chicks get an idea of what I expect from a woman and how I am.

Most of the girls also have a fantasy about this though so whatever, find whatever works for you and leverage that shit.




@toejam, you did everything by the book and that is fine.

You wanted to take her political temperature, unless you are a quantitative political scientist using SPSS/r and doing polling, there really is no place for that pre-bang, trying to get your dick wet etc.

It's like a game, depending on your status, attractiveness, authenticity and vibe, you are granted lives to pass the level (the next level is getting laid).

They grant you lives.

You just lost a life.

You managed a make-out and should have directed that shit into a bang instead of being curious about nonya business.

This tells me:

- you don't meet a lot of women who are thought provoking. She also figured this and where this puts her in the zero sum power struggle (this is how chicks see it hence they are.)

- you don't care about directing the energy correctly.

In old-school game theory we used to call this buying temperature (not like political temperature ha).

Be a cat, they got 9 lives for a reason.

Gents, I did it.

At the beginning of July 2016, I had a goal to sleep with three new women. I wrote this goal down.

Broad #1 was on a 2nd date on July 1st.
Broad #2 was from a night game approach on July 9th. Lots of LMR there.
Broad #3 was on a 1st date on July 15th.

We're just past halfway through this month, and it's done.

SET GOALS FOR YOURSELF THAT ARE DIFFICULT BUT WITHIN REACH. Set one for next month. Set ones to complete by the end of the year. Then, watch as they manifest.

It’s awesome and bizarre for how simply writing down your goals, making sure they are specific, can align your whole world to making them happen.

SET GOALS FOR YOURSELF THAT ARE DIFFICULT BUT WITHIN REACH.

Roosh wrote something like this in Day Bang. It’s been one of the most helpful things for me to set and achieve goals since starting game two years ago.

I’ve never slept with three new girls in a single month before. Now it’s done.

The decision
On a Thursday night, I’m walking between date one with a 20-year old at a coffee shop, and date two with a 24-year old I’m taking dancing.

I’m walking down the street and pass one woman that I thought I should have approached. I kick myself for not approaching her, but keep walking.

No less than three minutes later, I’m walking down the street and this broad walks by. Cute face, nice hair, wearing very tight yoga like pants, good legs. She gives me “the look”, a stare for a solid two seconds, I pick up on it and look back at her and flash a smile. She’s bashful, and turns her head away.

I walk a little further, and then stop. I turn around to look back at her. She’s about 30 feet away, but I see for a split second she’s looking back at me, then a moment later she’s turned away from me and continuing her fast walk away from me.

I stand there and contemplate for a few seconds. I see she’s walking fast. I have to run if I want to reach her. I decide I’m going to do it.

The approach
She turns a corner and goes down a quiet street. It’s just before 10 pm, and dark out. I cross this quiet street to get in position to make my approach, but before I can do so, she turns to the left and notices me crossing the street. She stops.

She looks at me and with a huge smile says,

“Hi.” And then she laughs and reaches out her hand.

I open her. And she tells me how happy she is that I ran after her and she thinks I’m cute too.

We talk for a bit, honestly this woman can’t stop smiling.

I bluff on my age a bit, and then tease her about it.

“3 years. Wow that’s a big difference. You think we can make this work? I mean it’s going to take a lot of effort.”

She loves it. It’s a Thursday night. I ask her for her schedule for the next few days. Tell her we’re going to get a drink.

I get her name and ask her about her last name. She says she’s Irish. I love Irish girls.

We leave by saying we’ll meet up soon.

I felt like kissing her right there. I think I could have because that’s the vibe we had. But I’m playing the long game and I think I’d run the risk of sparking her emotions too much.

The texting
About 20 mins after I met her Thursday:

Me: Hey it’s your future husband Jagnum. Was nice meeting you earlier.
Her: You’re absolutely delightful. What’s my future last name? Looking forward to our first date :-)
Me: It's Jagnum's last name. Pronounced this way. You were walking so fast, I had to jog over to come talk to you.
Her: :-) I’m glad you did!
Her: Have a great night. I look forward to seeing you soon.

Then she texts me Friday morning
Her: I have a huge smile on my face as I’m walking by the place that you and I made our first eye contact. Happy Friday :-)

My Friday night date rescheduled, so I suddenly had Friday night available.

Me: You did have a cute smile I noticed. Let’s grab a drink tonight. How’s 9 pm?
Her: That sounds great!

Me: Cool. How about we meet at (coffee shop).
Her: I’m a public transit girl so I don’t think I’ll be able to get there by 9. Could we a) push it back or b) meet downtown or somewhere ½ way?
Me: I hear you. 9:30 will be good.
Her: I’ll let you know if I can get there soon. I assume you live nearby?
Me: (Neighborhood I live) is surprisingly small. Meeting a friend for dinner close by texting works. See you then.

Just before our date
Her: I should be there at 9:30 on the dot if there isn’t any crazy traffic.
Her: A block away!

She was extremely interested. "I assume you live close by...". This isn’t typical, but I hope meeting girls like this will soon be the norm for me.

The date
Before the date, I went out to grab Thai food with my friend. The topic of girls came up. I told him it’s generally been good policy for me to not try to sleep with a girl on the first date, for reasons I’ve detailed here on this forum.

He gave his two cents.

“I do what it seems like they’re after. I give them the choice. ‘hey we should go back to my place’. They can either agree, or say no, I don’t force them either way.”

While I still think playing it slow is the better long term strategy to maximize bangs and not scaring the cat; he’s right. If she’s giving you that strong vibe, and accepts your offer back to your place, then go for it.

I met her. The vibe was great. We met at a coffee shop and told her we’re going to walk somewhere else nearby. She asked me where, and I told her we’re going to Vegas, and how we’re basically already married. She laughs.

We get to the bar. Sit down. Order drinks. And the vibe was just on. Some things I remember her saying.

“I like how affectionate you are. That’s not common these days, and I appreciate it.”
“You know, you are very good at holding eye contact.”

She’s also running her hands up and down my forearms.

Gents in my two years experience, if a girl is running her fingers up and down your forearms continuously on a date, that is one of the strongest signs I've seen that she is down to bang.

Previously, on first dates (or second dates) where I try to go for the bang, I’d end drinks by saying,

“Hey how about after this we go check out some of those photos I was telling you about from my last trip.” (bachelor-pad bait)

Here’s the problem with bachelor pad bait in the bar. This gives a girl the option to refuse in the bar, and then you’re working at a disadvantage to try to convince her while you’re at the end of your date. You're in a weak spot.

Instead, what I do now, is a two-step process.

First, tell her: “Let’s grab the check.”

You don’t specify where you are going. You just split the bill, walk out, and lead her out the door by cupping your hand on the small of her back.

Second, once you get outside, walk a couple steps and say,

“Hey how about we head to my place for a bit. I live about ten minutes from here. Not for very long though, I have to get up kind of early tomorrow.”

At this point, she could accept or refuse the offer. But you're already beginning to walk in a direction towards your house. The momentum is there.

This girl was down, and she said sure. She also told me she has to get up early tomorrow too.

When we got back to my house, and then into my room, this was one of those dates where we could barely stop ourselves from going at it.

I barely got a movie on my computer going before we started making out. on my bed.

The last time I remember this happening was in December, also on a first date where I got the bang after a fair amount of LMR.

The Bang
She was wearing a little black dress. Took that off quite easily. Went for biting her neck, than sucking on her tits. Wasn’t getting any resistance. Went to pull off her panties and got the token resistance.

“We’re not having sex tonight. Maybe next time.” Agreed with her, “Yes, we’re not having sex tonight.”

A little bit after, she pulled my dick out of my pants and put it in her mouth. This girl was down to bang.

And bang we did.

She was a SJW, and had worked in higher education.

She loved getting dominated and being manhandled in the bedroom.

“You are filling me up, I love how good your dick feels inside me.”
“I wish your roommates were home so they could hear how much I’m enjoying this.”

She must have a public fucking fantasy. Been a while since I've been with a girl who has been so vocal, and so submissive. Felt great.

The results
+1 First date bang. Last first date bang was eight months ago.
+1 A one-day difference between day approach and bang. Never done before. (Only thing would top is a same-night date and bang off a day approach).
+3 for the month (first time!)

Gents—thanks for allowing me to post my long date reports and to keep you updated on my July goal. It’s now complete.

Hope to see her again, but if there’s one thing you know with a girl, it’s that you never know.

Onward.

@Jagnum

Congrats man, nice to see everything coming together nicely.

To add to your goals part, from 4 hour workweek;


Parkinson's Law

Bring goals forward to add urgency to completing them, similar to deadlines.

This way you can maximize the input and output from them.


Pareto Principle

80/20 rule - 20% of your work will give you 80% of your results.

Combine this with the above to achieve maximum efficiency.


Apply this in a game context so 20% of approaches for 80% of bangs and bring your game goals forward for you to improve at a faster level.

Similar to playing sports, when you play with those better than you, your improvement will flourish. Surround yourself with the best and set deadlines to match their standards. Urgency can be a tool when used optimally.

Was In the city this weekend, and the Pokemon Go was in full effect. I actually opened a few chicks with these openers just for the laughs. Blew right open.

Good weekend overall.

Had a fair amount of warm approaches and lots of good reaction. I had not so great logistics, but if had my head more into the bang...

So here's the conundrum,

I think I talked about my favorite plate and having lost her for good. Guess who wants to see me when I roll into town?

Back and forth texting, but she's torn. Ends up not coming out. There were some tweaks I could have made in the texts.

I said "with my boy"

Should have said, "with my boy, but he's way hype ...probably stay out all night, gave me a key for when I crash"

Even by signalling that I had a spot and privacy, i wanted to hang out more than hookup.

Anyway, next day, catch her at her job to see where her head was at. I'm in the city enough that I could schedule a "lunch". If she's not just yanking my chain I could still tell, though seeing at a chick at her job is not for rookies or for chicks you haven't banged.

So i roll up, chat her up at the job. She's into it, all up on me...and then her dude shows up.

Of course she didn't tell me he was in the neighborhood....lol.

And she's still pawing me. It's uncomfortable for everyone but her.

I'm like a magnitude more exciting than him. So it's understandable. But I'm not trying to make an issue for either.

He needs her, and she probably needs him. Never break up a happy home.

Rolled out, but she's still blowing up my text.

Definite ego stroke, but I'm trying to figure out how to get her to invest over text so when I roll through again I don't get the hesitation I got this time.

Or just set the situation for earlier.

Good weekend

WIA

(07-18-2016 02:13 AM)Noir Wrote:  @Jagnum

Apply this in a game context so 20% of approaches for 80% of bangs and bring your game goals forward for you to improve at a faster level.

One goal in 2016 is to bang three 8.0s. Haven't slept with any yet this year. Or ever. Been in that 5 - 7 range.

It's rare enough to find an 8 where I live. And when I do, then closing the number, getting them on a date, building attraction on the date, sealing the deal.

I don't think 8's require any difference with my game, although my game still has room to improve, but there are less of them out period, and less of them out there who are single.

I estimate out of the 75 phone numbers I've closed this year, only four girls have been 8.0s or higher. Out of these four, two of them didn't get a first date, one of them had a first date but no second. The most recent 8.0 I've been on two dates, very slow to warm up, we'll see where it goes. This is no different than my conversions from number-to-date and date-to-bang across all girls.

I agree in theory, 20% of my approaches will lead to 80% of bangs, but the remaining 20% of bangs, which is the 8.0s I want to bang, will take 80% of my effort. Maybe that's not an accurate characterization, it's more like cycling through a lot of numbers of 5s, 6s, and 7s for the occasional 8.

(07-18-2016 02:13 AM)Noir Wrote:  Similar to playing sports, when you play with those better than you, your improvement will flourish. Surround yourself with the best and set deadlines to match their standards. Urgency can be a tool when used optimally.

I'm curious about how you do this. I have my mentors for career stuff, I see them/call them just once every 6 weeks. I'd definitely like to work more closely with them on side projects, but they all have full-time jobs.

For game, it'd be nice to surround myself with more like-minded people in person. Not many in my city. The closest guy on this forum, who is active and serious about his game lives in the next big city, about an hour away by public transit.

I am going to SF this week through the weekend. Who are the heavy hitters down there?

(07-18-2016 12:23 PM)Jagnum Wrote:  I am going to SF this week through the weekend. Who are the heavy hitters down there?

A legendary man who goes by the name Gio.

An absolute approach monster who loves women.

I'm pretty sure he's in SF and/or around the bay area.

I always love seeing him write in this thread.

Def Gio for sure!

I believe, personally, more in having audacious goals at this point in my game. That can be: sleeping with the hottest girl relative to past bangs, finding 2 new plates who are up for a threesome and don't know each other, banging 3 girls in a 24-hr period, or inviting 3-4 girls on the same date.

Hard but attainable is a good strategy also.

Sent Gio a PM, but haven't heard back yet. I'm sure he's a busy guy.

Thanks Kaotic, Donny.

May post to the Meetups section, less interested going out, more interested meeting up with RVF members. People always saying how much they enjoy this about the forum.

About ten days ago, I was maintaining a harem of 8 girls. Of those 8, 5 were models/promogirls. 3 Venezuelan, 2 Colombian and 3 Ecuadorian.

In the last ten days, I lost 5 of em and ditched one of them myself. And you know what? I'm completely fine with it. My mindstate is not dependent on one girl, nor on 5. I might have made some small mistakes here and there, but in general I maintained my frame. Sometimes these things happen I've learned. The stars align or their menstrual cycle and things change. It's not my fault.

I even welcome the time freed up, because to be honest it's been hectic and I haven't been focusing enough on gym, reading, developing ideas and so forth. This is an opportunity for me. And I'm also sure some of these girls will come back to me. They will notice the lack of impact it has on me, their pussy will get wet and they will start to wonder. Some of them are gone forever, some are fucking another guy already, maybe those are the smart ones. But some will be looking to get back with me in the coming weeks.

It's all good. These things work in cycles, the important thing is that you yourself don't go in cycles. You remain the same, you maintain your clear mind and you act upon it, in a rational and coherent way, always going forward.

Just thought I'd share this with you guys and I hope no one is seeing this as bragging. I'm just a decent guy playing to his strengths in a country where I have all the advantages, like many of you are doing as well.

Finally, a strategy I use: This is just for a few of you, depending how you play the social media angle. Me, I maintain my facebook profile with a lot of detail. I have a lot of pics with hot looking girls on there. Whenever a girl I'm with or I see potential in adds me, I put her in a category so she just sees my pics doing cool stuff, talking about interesting shit etc. Nothing or few things girl related. Whenever one of those girls decides to leave me, I give her about two weeks. If nothing happened, I remove her from 'the group', allowing her to see everything or at least a lot more (girl specific). Some won't see it immediately, but eventually they will. And what have I noticed? As soon as they see you with some class girls (never kissing or anything like that, just providing the suggestion, you have to be able to maintain the doubt), it will spark their interest. They will think "damn, now I know why this guy was not too upset about what happened, he got a lot of options and some even hotter than me". Pussy gets wet, they re-initiate contact, the cycle repeats itself.

Game on brothers!

(07-16-2016 07:25 PM)robreke Wrote:  On another note - do you guys ever do things with girls without having sex?

The traditional thinking is that when you don't bang her but still hang, you're sending boyfriend signals and not lover man signals.

Plate/fuck buddy status is typically unstable, and friends with benefits even more so.

You have to help the girl compartmentalize her romantic feelings as well as figure out how to deal with your own need for companionship and affection.

Players typically build
1) harem for sex
2) social circle for everything else

Getting everything from one person puts you in a position of weakness.

My current thought on the subject is that to get the best/most out of her, you really have to hold back. In the alternative, if you give it all, you have to realize the consequences and be okay with that.

It's the same calculus for getting into an LTR.

WIA

(07-17-2016 02:08 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Keep things light, simple, and fun with chicks; especially when you barely know them beyond just a few dates or a few bangs. She will look for reasons to disqualify you if you haven't got her "hooked" on you. after that, she will look for reasons not to disqualify you.

That's the standard red pill advice, avoid conflict so as to keep the pussy in play.

Old school PUA would just consider this a frame battle.

You can play this the other way by being outcome independent, figuring out her true intent, and giving her options.

"Baby I'm a Neanderthal, and you've totally got me figured out"

Don't agree and amplify, just agree and let the implications sit there. Because amplification is part of the dance that she is familiar and comfortable with.

You could go real player with it and disqualify yourself

"Them other dudes you fucked and left are going to change themselves just to be around you."

If you're willing to let her and her pussy walk away, means your frame is unshakeable.

Continue with.

"You'd better run now, because fucking with me, you're gonna end up barefoot and making me a steak. Medium rare please"

But by making your belief system a challenge, that's giving her an angle that she can live with. She needs to feel like she can influence you, because that's how women are. She's sleeping with a guy that can strangle her to death.

Too many guys that play it hard, typical red pill mouth breather, purposefully stay ignorant about how women feel, think, and process. They don't give the girl options on how to think. They try to force her to see the light. Isis style religious conversion will not result in true submission.


You always want a chick to do things out of her volition, or her self interest.

Chicks do not run into guys that don't pedestalize them. Putting her on defense, giving her a challenge, giving her a role to play, and be willing to let her walk - that will drive her insane and give her the feels and sub communication she needs.

Further, your own ability to not be swayed by a pretty face and healthy BMI makes your effect on other chicks stronger.

Often times when you're really running a mind game, she'll want to do shit for you that's out of character for her.

A chick will mold herself around a guy, become who she thinks he wants her to be.

WIA

Sitting on a bench outside my gym after workout. Next to me is a decently cute very young blonde, probably 16-17- with her feet up on the bench. Her Dominican looking BF comes up while she's staring at her phone and sneaks in quickly, slips his arms under her legs and pulls her forward so she kinda ends up on her back for a second. The kid was like 18 and it was like a wedgie/pantsing type prank.
She loved it. Great dominance display.

Latin dudes often have such solid natural game.

(07-19-2016 04:29 PM)Chetthebaker Wrote:  Sitting on a bench outside my gym after workout. Next to me is a decently cute very young blonde, probably 16-17- with her feet up on the bench. Her Dominican looking BF comes up while she's staring at her phone and sneaks in quickly, slips his arms under her legs and pulls her forward so she kinda ends up on her back for a second. The kid was like 18 and it was like a wedgie/pantsing type prank.
She loved it. Great dominance display.

Latin dudes often have such solid natural game.

When I was a teen, I picked up some game just by watching some of my latin boys interact with women and seeing how they treated the ones they dated.

That Machismo they have absolutely kills it.

(07-16-2016 07:25 PM)robreke Wrote:  On another note - do you guys ever do things with girls without having sex?

Yes. Examples:

Cook dinner while drinking a couple glasses of wine. Then sex.

Bike ride along the beach, then lunch, then bike ride back. Then sex.

Sex, then sleep overnight, cook or grab some breakfast. Cool.

Catch up for a bit, walk her dog, hit the hot tub. Then sex. Sometimes sex in the hot tub.

Watch half a movie. Blowjob in the middle...then sex. Then yeah I'd actually finish the movie.

Cool hike? Sure. May not have sex during it, but if we find a nice spot, that's good exercise.

The point is that there were times when I hung out with plates without having sex, but that there's usually sex at some point in the activity. It doesn't have to be always, but if you start removing the sex from it, you're now losing the benefits part of the equation...and who wants that?

There's a lot of them teens at my gym if I go in the late afternoon- since it's a city facility. The guys who are getting chicks at that age are usually very natural alphas.
There was one today though who wasn't. Both he and his GF were wearing jeans and had no clue how to workout. The girl was cute, but all she did was take duck-face selfies in the mirror. He had a good deal of tattoos, including one on his face.
He was probably hopeless, but I could tell the chick was sweet and not bitchy - she could probably be trained.
Too bad she's underage and I'm not anywhere close.

Went running yesterday. Trying to increase my runs from 2 to 5 miles. After mile 1 saw this MILF preparing to run. I was into my run so didn't want to stop. Soon as I stopped 15 minutes later I noticed that she was running. Told myself ill ask her number/segue into seeing the if she wants to run together.

I started my pushups/crunches routine which is not long at all. Soon as I was done she was gone. Weird because she barely put any time into her run.

I think don't of these women get intimated when they see other people who can run longer/faster. The only women who stick around are ones that can outrun me. And I've been coming to this park for years to walk, run, chill on and off. The "newbies" run one lap then dissappear. Wtf
I can usually tell because they hesitate before runnning, always have phone/headphones and their outfits are new and bright.

I feel like im missing out. To be honest all I really need is a good run partner that can help get me to 5 miles. The bang would be secondary

My final run was 3.31 miles and that's cause there was another dude there and we motivated each other to run. He ran the opposite direction

What to answer to girl when she says she loves/likes me (considering her LTR)? Is it possible to answer the same and maintain the frame?