Post: #6501

Daygame has been brutal lately. I must have gotten something like 10 numbers in the past couple weeks and all have fizzled out. Some result in same day return of texts, but when I go for the re text a few days later to initiate a date, it's no response. Frustrating to say the least.

The numbers seem solid as a high number of these girls have shown attraction in the approach practically throwing their numbers at me when I asked and saying things like "yeah sure" "I'd love to" " Absolutely" with a smile when I say we should get together again. Then as mentioned, it's usually one friendly obligatory text and no more...

I guess we can just chalk it up to either the era of "peak flake" we're living through, coupled with the fact that I'm strictly approaching quite attractive young women ....at least on my picky scale.

I'm seriously considering changing my approach to not so much asking for the number as just setting a date that day when I approach....preferably for that evening. I'm thinking this may help combat the very short attention span and the amount time of girl remains interested these days, which I'm guessing is somewhere from 5 minutes to a few hours after a good approach.

I have to do something as, I'll admit, it wears on a guy's mind; You have a good, seemingly solid interaction with a girl at the grocery or bookstore...or wherever. There's eye contact, smiling, she "hooks" by asking multiple questions and readily agrees to a meet up and then, goes cold. I know it's a number's game, but damn, when that cliche' meets real life, it gets a little rough. When it starts to be 0 dates for 10 numbers....to more like, 1 date every 20 or 25 numbers, a change is called for.

Enough of a rant, but here's been my usual MO:

1. Approach with indirect opener.
2. Transition about something about her.
3. Tease (push and pull )
4. Drop bait - girls usually eventually bite ( more than 50% of approaches)
5. "by the way what's your name?"....she tells and I say nice to meet you and she, almost always asks my name.
6. A little more chat and wrap up with "I'd like to invite you out sometime" to which many, as mentioned, readily agree. Then, number close.
7. A few hours later send a follow up "thanks for the tips on --------- at the grocery" type text.
8. She usually responds to this ( 60% response to first text )
9. Two days or so later, send something like "hey how's your week going?"
10. --- no response --- ( dead lead)

This has pretty much been the result on my last 10 to 20 numbers. Like I said, a bit rough.

I'm open to ideas about tweaks someone here may have made to their day game techique to convert more numbers into successful meet ups.

On a brighter note, online game is still producing bangs to the tune of one or two a month.

Funny how girls in movies are portrayed as their 'ideal' way of meeting a man being a serendipitous encounter with a man during the day, bumping heads both reaching for cucumbers at the grocery store, or grabbing the same bouquet of tulips at the street flower stand, yet in real life, they'd just rather you just meet over OK Cupid, meet up for vodka cocktails, and have you bait them back to your apartment for a BJ and bang.

Someone ought to make a red pill movie about that...

Post: #6502

^Yea, I remember my last approach was more interested in reading old text on her phone then having a conversation with a real person. Looks wise, she was about a 7, but her personality was a 4 at best. Its rather unfortunate.

Post: #6503

(10-31-2015 07:59 PM)Agastya Wrote:  What do you guys do to build stronger emotional connections with women?

My advice would be : don't do anything special.

If you have to try hard to connect with a woman, it means that she is simply not right (not interesting, smart, whatever is your thing) enough for you.

Therefore I suggest you keep looking for new girls, and hopefully you'll meet one that you know you want to keep around for more than just sex, without forcing anything.

Post: #6504

(11-01-2015 03:02 PM)robreke Wrote:  Daygame has been brutal lately. I must have gotten something like 10 numbers in the past couple weeks and all have fizzled out. Some result in same day return of texts, but when I go for the re text a few days later to initiate a date, it's no response. Frustrating to say the least.

The numbers seem solid as a high number of these girls have shown attraction in the approach practically throwing their numbers at me when I asked and saying things like "yeah sure" "I'd love to" " Absolutely" with a smile when I say we should get together again. Then as mentioned, it's usually one friendly obligatory text and no more...

I guess we can just chalk it up to either the era of "peak flake" we're living through, coupled with the fact that I'm strictly approaching quite attractive young women ....at least on my picky scale.

I'm seriously considering changing my approach to not so much asking for the number as just setting a date that day when I approach....preferably for that evening. I'm thinking this may help combat the very short attention span and the amount time of girl remains interested these days, which I'm guessing is somewhere from 5 minutes to a few hours after a good approach.

I have to do something as, I'll admit, it wears on a guy's mind; You have a good, seemingly solid interaction with a girl at the grocery or bookstore...or wherever. There's eye contact, smiling, she "hooks" by asking multiple questions and readily agrees to a meet up and then, goes cold. I know it's a number's game, but damn, when that cliche' meets real life, it gets a little rough. When it starts to be 0 dates for 10 numbers....to more like, 1 date every 20 or 25 numbers, a change is called for.

Enough of a rant, but here's been my usual MO:

1. Approach with indirect opener.
2. Transition about something about her.
3. Tease (push and pull )
4. Drop bait - girls usually eventually bite ( more than 50% of approaches)
5. "by the way what's your name?"....she tells and I say nice to meet you and she, almost always asks my name.
6. A little more chat and wrap up with "I'd like to invite you out sometime" to which many, as mentioned, readily agree. Then, number close.
7. A few hours later send a follow up "thanks for the tips on --------- at the grocery" type text.
8. She usually responds to this ( 60% response to first text )
9. Two days or so later, send something like "hey how's your week going?"
10. --- no response --- ( dead lead)

This has pretty much been the result on my last 10 to 20 numbers. Like I said, a bit rough.

I'm open to ideas about tweaks someone here may have made to their day game techique to convert more numbers into successful meet ups.

On a brighter note, online game is still producing bangs to the tune of one or two a month.

Funny how girls in movies are portrayed as their 'ideal' way of meeting a man being a serendipitous encounter with a man during the day, bumping heads both reaching for cucumbers at the grocery store, or grabbing the same bouquet of tulips at the street flower stand, yet in real life, they'd just rather you just meet over OK Cupid, meet up for vodka cocktails, and have you bait them back to your apartment for a BJ and bang.

Someone ought to make a red pill movie about that...

Fair warning: I'm not expert on daygame. But here's my 2 cents:

Your sample size is so small that this could just be a random rough patch. There's variance in our game just like there is in poker. Just like a poker player has to play thousands of hands to approach his real winrate, we have to approach girls by the hundreds to know ours. In other words, your previous results with hundreds or thousands of girls are likely a better indicator of how successful your game is than just looking at the last 10 or 20. It's seems you're used to doing well, so you're probably fine.

As for your MO, I'm probably not the best person to assess this, but I have three minor comments/questions:
1. Do you ever go for the instadate?
2. Why ask for her name early on? I'm not sure why, but it seems to me that it's better to keep names out of it as long as possible. I just take the name when I get the number, but maybe I'm the one who's doing it wrong.
3. I think "I'd like to invite you out some time" is a little weak. You are not stating that you are going to take her out, that the two of you should go out, or even inviting her out. You would like, hypothetically, to invite her out if she would only kindly pick up her precious little phone. Maybe you could experiment with being a little bit more aggressive here, will probably get fewer numbers but possibly more dates, which is the goal. Always better if you DON'T get the number of some girl who's just gonna flake on you anyway.

Post: #6505

@robreke, I'm not a day game expert but I think your approach is solid. However one thing jumped out to me. You have a positive interaction, hook them, follow up over text and usually get positive replies and then you....drop it and reinitiate days later? We all know momentum is a foundation in successful game so why aren't you just closing for the date after they reply to your first text?

Post: #6506

(11-01-2015 03:02 PM)robreke Wrote:  1. Approach with indirect opener.
2. Transition about something about her.
3. Tease (push and pull )
4. Drop bait - girls usually eventually bite ( more than 50% of approaches)
5. "by the way what's your name?"....she tells and I say nice to meet you and she, almost always asks my name.
6. A little more chat and wrap up with "I'd like to invite you out sometime" to which many, as mentioned, readily agree. Then, number close.
7. A few hours later send a follow up "thanks for the tips on --------- at the grocery" type text.
8. She usually responds to this ( 60% response to first text )
9. Two days or so later, send something like "hey how's your week going?"
10. --- no response --- ( dead lead)

This has pretty much been the result on my last 10 to 20 numbers. Like I said, a bit rough.

I'm open to ideas about tweaks someone here may have made to their day game techique to convert more numbers into successful meet ups.

Couple things you could try:

Don't ask if you can invite her out some time, I think the end of the conversation is actually a great place for you to go direct. Be like "hey, you're actually pretty cute, I'd like to get your number." It's very congruent with your intentions. The rest of your conversation sounds completely fine, but you might want to be a little more obvious with your intent at the finish.

Regarding texting, there's no real need to thank her for directions either. Just send her a text saying "this is robreke, that guy who asked you for directions(devil emoji), save my number". I also don't believe in waiting a couple days to text, I've had success with just following up later that day. I would space the texts out so you're only texting her once or twice a day, but you don't need to wait two days to send that initial text. Strike while the iron is hot. In those two days four other guys could have approached her, an old fuck buddy could have hit her up, or some master player could have same day laid her. Not to mention the onslaught of online attention she's probably getting.

Also, I'd recommend specifically focusing on girls you know you're successful with...if you do well with hipsters, target hipsters, if you do well with Asian girls, target Asian girls etc. Always helps me get out of a rut.

Post: #6507

(11-01-2015 04:02 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  @robreke, I'm not a day game expert but I think your approach is solid. However one thing jumped out to me. You have a positive interaction, hook them, follow up over text and usually get positive replies and then you....drop it and reinitiate days later? We all know momentum is a foundation in successful game so why aren't you just closing for the date after they reply to your first text?

I think I may need to do this, that is, text later that same day and close on the date, especially with the younger girls.

The reason I have been waiting a few days to go for the date is I don't want to appear to thirsty and needy. I'm an older guy who used to game girls in the 90s. Back then, you'd wait like 2 or 3 days to even call after getting them to write their number on a napkin at a bar. The thinking was, don't call too soon as it looks desperate so that's my mindset still.

Maybe I need to rethink that because the waiting a few days, obviously isn't working.

^ @Agastya wrote : you don't need to wait two days to send that initial text.

I don't wait two days to send the initial text. I send the initial text a few hours after the conversation, the same day. Then, once they respond positively to that, I wait a few days to open again with something like "hey, how's your week going" Hoping they will respond to that, then I can ask them for the date then.

Like I mentioned above, I'm rethinking that policy.

Post: #6508

If you're not comfortable trying to close over text the same day you can always experiment with flipping it and waiting until the next day to send your opening text and then immediately close when they reply.

I think you're getting into trouble by opening them and then essentially walking away and then opening them days later with a 'how's your week going?'

If you put yourself in their shoes (dangerous I know!) they could be attracted to you initially and excited to hear from you later that day and then you disappear...They're left thinking 'why the hell hasn't this guy asked me out yet?' They put you into the beta category and you're pretty much done.

Post: #6509

(10-31-2015 07:59 PM)Agastya Wrote:  The girls I've hooked up with recently have been physically attractive, but they haven't been fun to simply hang around.

Screen better, if possible.

- If you're doing club one night stands, this might not be possible. Not enough time, too much distraction on your part, too much of her "game" on her part.

- Netflix and Chill/Zero Date Bangs, the Tuthmoses formula - might be better, but usually the share the same night game problems

I might actually suggest *gasp* going on a date with a chick, doing something that you like to do- not something to impress her, or get her into bed.

More intermediate questions
- What are you looking for
- Can you uncover that in a series of 2-4 hour dates?

The first part of the equation is hard enough.
The second part is even more challenging.

Usually, you don't really have a full grasp on what sort of personality you're looking for.

Bubbly, easy, compliant, nice, sweet - all of that shit is fakeable. Just go to Chick Fil A, or any high quality chain restaurant, or any

Uncovering that?

There's a great scene in Mad Men where Don Draper is out with his secretary and his children. His daughter spills a milkshake. At this point in the series, every chick that Don has married or banged seriously was horrible with children. (yadda * 3 - he's got issues with his Mom)

Anyway, the secretary, knows how to handle a little mistake like that, and comes in like super mom.

That's the moment it becomes clear that he has to marry her.

Don didn't know that's what he was looking for.
But when he saw it, he jumped on it.

Much like real life that relationship would unravel because Don lost direction, and Megan (the secretary) realized her own. And they both grew, and grew apart.

How to do this in practice?

You want to see what the girl is like, take her out of her environment.

That's more time and money you have to invest.

And after you uncover that rough diamond, you have to polish her.

Cats talk about getting a girl to swallow or deep throat, but that's shit she secretly wants to do.

How about getting a girl to want to do your laundry?

(10-31-2015 07:59 PM)Agastya Wrote:  What do you guys do to build stronger emotional connections with women?

You have to have some emotional connection to her.
The more game you have, typically the less emotion for women, the less you care about any one woman.

It plays right into the fantasy, man with heart of ice eventually melts for the woman who is his match.

He gets a carrot.
She gets a horse and a whip.

What guys really mean when they say "emotion" is really a lack of logic. They want to go back to a time prior to game, when they were young, and those deep uncontrollable urges ran their lives.

Now that they have game, now that they see chicks for the simpletons that they are....it's hard to build that up again.

So they shoot for hotter girls or more impossible situations.

The climb up the mountain is great, the view not what you think it will be.

(10-31-2015 07:59 PM)Agastya Wrote:  I fuck the shit out of these girls and they are definitely physically attracted to me, but I am trying to make the whole process a little less soulless.

Because sex means more to you than it will ever to them.
A girl can get sex whenever she wants.
She can get great sex fairly regularly.

I think Scorpion said something like this

- great sex for a girl is sex with a *great* man.

Mindblowing, toe curling sex, can come from
- a big dick
- great motion in the ocean
- technique
or something more psychological....

Is it really the same thing as sex with a girl who's in love with you?

And then there's sex with a girl who's in love with sex....

Rabbit hole my friend.

WIA

Post: #6510

^Thanks for the reply. I've pretty much exclusively been running Netflix and Chill style game here. For some reason it only seems to attract black girls, which I'm fine with, and it definitely does yield better quality than night game. I might try actual dating just to try and find girls who I like.

When I say I want a deeper connection, I don't really want a return to my pre-game days. I'm not shooting for some high school crush at all. But I used to have slightly more emotional relationships with girls...now I feel like I'm degenerating into mindless fucking. It's still fun, but not quite the same as it used to be.

How do you get a girl to want to do your laundry? I've been with girls who were naturally pretty submissive and feminine offering to make me food and take care of me when I was sick. You ever converted a girl who was kind of quiet and standoffish into absolutely loving you? Some of the girls I've recently banged were fairly cold even six or seven bangs in.

Post: #6511

(11-01-2015 10:07 PM)Agastya Wrote:  How do you get a girl to want to do your laundry? I've been with girls who were naturally pretty submissive and feminine offering to make me food and take care of me when I was sick. You ever converted a girl who was kind of quiet and standoffish into absolutely loving you? Some of the girls I've recently banged were fairly cold even six or seven bangs in.

That should tell you something about the power of "great" sex.
Lotta dudes are convinced that they need better sex, more technique, bigger dick, more muscles or even more psycho-sexual stuff during the foreplay, act, and the cement/pillow talk stage.

In my experience, naturally submissive, a chick that takes your orders - still requires you to give the damn orders. It's like having a child or a dog.

If you want her to take the initiative, you basically have to put her in situations where she takes the initiative, she does good, and you reward her.

From a game/psych pov, this is classic operant conditioning.

Two problems
1) Is this a rabbit hole you want to go down
2) How do you reward a chick for doing things you want her to do

And a third problem is that before you wanted an emotional connection, not a Stepford wife willing to conform to your every desire.

Which is it?
Can you have both?

You're not even asking yourself these questions.

What is it that you want?
Can you describe it?
Can you figure out what the day to day looks like?
What if there's some snafu?

Her best friend is in a crisis, but God Damned it, you need your fucking steak and kale caesar salad.

Most dudes are only thinking of the broad strokes and the good times, but they don't deal with the eventualities of having a chick in their lives.

And then you get into discussions like, can you maintain your alpha if she chooses to do something other than please you?..

That's sort of the problem with game teaching.
Now that you have a chick, what are you going to do with her.

The way that we as players typically think about this shit is either
- keep her in the rotation
- go into a monogamous mode with her, and put everyone else on the B-team.

I can't answer this for you. That's something you need to think about.
It's bigger than a message board.

WIA

Post: #6512

This should be a lay report but no:

1st date quick drink, weird about the kiss.
2nd date - madeout, choked, pulled hair, wouldn't let me touch her titties but let me rub her pussy over her pants.

3rd date (last night) - she left church, headed over, shows up, wore a thin dress. Always a good sign.

Tried teaching her about sports, I'll never do that again. I had given her shit jokingly about her not letting her grab tits last time and told her my biceps are off limits.

Of course she tried grabbing my arms so I grabbed her tits and she giggled.

After about 10 minutes I had her tits out and were sucking them. Rub her pussy over her undies - no hands. Finger blasted her and her clit, her legs were spread wide.

I pull her undies off and pull her dress up to her tits - interesting she has a tattoo - looks like one of those basic bitch sayings.

Go time, I get naked also - she turns her legs away and says no. I play it cool start making out with her again.

We go through the cycle 3 times, I can tell she's a bit uncomfortable, she I ask her with a big grin "are you a virgin" - she doesn't say anything. I ask her again, she says "yes".

Son of a bitch, I haven't fucked with a virgin since I was 21, I've only taken one V card back when I was 18.

So what do I do ? Put my dick in her face and tell her to come here.

She obliges and starts sucking, eventually I lay on back as she blows me - albeit it wasn't the greatest, but sure alot better than some of the others I've had.

I'm about to come and I'm trying keep my dick in her mouth, as soon as I bust she moves my dick onto my blanket.

Fucker got my load all over blanket and it was a big load. So here I am using a towel to my load off my blanket bare ass naked, laughing my ass off, then throwing it in the washer.

Honestly, this blowjob and the orgasm that accompanied it felt better than some orgasms I've had fucking some regulars.

There's just something about a girl blowing me that gets me off way harder than banging.

We lay there for a bit, then I go downstairs to finish prepping my food, I come back into the room and have her leave.

I walk her and she hugs me. You know those hugs where a girl doesn't want to leave or let go ? Yeah I got one of those. I felt a bit bad.


She's a 23 year old VIRGIN that came straight from church and sucked my dick.


I'm not sure that I'll continue talking to her - I don't want to be that guy that takes it. I know she'll be falling in love and all that jazz.

I know she wants to fuck, her body language was there.


The last thing I want to do is jade another girl who gave her virginity away to a player and I don't want her attached to me.

This is a soft next and disappearing, the good thing is she's only in town and free 1-2 days a week, since she has to fly to the east coast every week.

That should make things easy.

Post: #6513

Got this weird text from one of my plates yesterday. I've been banging her for over 6 months now and she's never verbalised trying to lock me down. I haven't been seeing her as much lately as I've been busy with other stuff.
I'm not quite sure how I should respond.

Me: I've got training tomorrow night, lets grab dinner afterwards (This is our usual routine, I have jiu jitsu training near her house and I go round after, we eat and bang then I leave)
Her: Would love to but I'm not free
Her: But I'm sure your "girlfriend" can keep you entertained, like she has all this while. This sidechick game has become boring and doesn't interest me anymore to be honest.
But maybe next time we can skip dinner and just have sex? ;-)

For the record I don't have a girlfriend.

Post: #6514

So I've got a chick I've been on a couple dates with, no bang yet and I'm not sure how I should proceed

First date went pretty well got a good makeout but she wouldn’t come back to my place.

Next date we were supposed to grab drinks somewhere else but she said she was feeling a little under the weather so I convinced her to let me come over and we'd just chill and watch a movie. After the movie we start making out on her couch and I get us to move into her room “in case of your roommates comes back” and when we’re on the way she says she’s not gonna sleep with me tonight. I just smile and ignore it and get us onto the bed. I get her shirt off but she kept shutting down any attempt I tried to move things ahead. I just kept easing off and ramping things back up trying to get her horny enough to go along with it. And that part was working she was getting super horny, she was moaning like crazy just from grabbing her tits and dry humping. But I guess she knew she was closing to giving in because things ended up moving backwards, she kept stopping me from doing what I had been earlier, eventually wouldn’t even let me fondle her fun bags.

She ends up telling me that some guy in the summer did a number on her emotionally and claimed to be dealing with that still, hasn’t been with anyone since apparently. She said that she’s still not “emotionally ready” for sex with me yet. We talk a little more but I can clearly see nothing is happening that night so I head out. Now I’m not sure how I should approach things next time I see her. Should I try and get her to open up about this crap so she feels like she can feel comfortable and trust me or something? This seems like a terrible idea to me but I’m not sure what else to do because she’s definitely attracted to me but wouldn’t act on it. Maybe I just need to game her better next time, I don’t know.

I really want this one because 1) It’d be my first notch with a black chick and
2) She’s never given head or received it before so it’ll be fun introducing her to that

How do you guys think I should approach this?

(Side question) How forceful are you guys in trying to overcome LMR? Is it just on a case by case basis? Last week I had a date where the chick came back to my place and she ended up leaving in a huff because I let my hand wander to her nether regions when we were making out after she had already said we weren’t having sex. But I was much rougher with the girl this post was about and even though I was ultimately unsuccessful she seemed like she was loving it. I need to get better at dealing with this silliness

Post: #6515

This weekend felt like it was my best weekend in months, since I wrote an explicit post about my last three days in June. This post, for better or worse, is PG-13.

Why does it feel like my game has improved?

1. Going out more. I used to go out once a week on Saturday. It is not enough.
2. New venues. I went to a bunch of new venues. I also went out on Sunday night. If you change venues, you'll change the people you meet and open new opportunities.
3. Number harvesting. Sometimes it’s better keep interaction really short, just go for the number at a high point, and then bounce to another set. A player I met recently does this, and he has much, much rates of success compared to my previous style of staying in set with one girl the whole night.
4. Most importantly, I got some help crafting answers to those questions girls ask without fail to build interest and convey standards. I have much more solid answers than I did a few weeks ago, which makes the initial part of the conversation just that much easier.
5. Holiday mentality. Halloween was on a Saturday this year and people are in a holiday mentality. They are more fun.
6. Luck. Honestly, a lot of this weekend was just luck. A beautiful woman approached me at a nightclub. A girl in a bar told me how much she wanted me to stay with her that night. This doesn’t usually happen.
   

I went out Thursday, Saturday (Halloween), Sunday, and had one date on Friday.

Thursday: I decided to go out for the first time on a Thursday in months. While waiting for the bus, I open two very cute girls at the bus stop just before the bus was about to arrive. One was a tall brunette, and the other a shorter blond who just graduated college. They were in the same sorority. “Excuse me, do you know what bars are good to go to on a Thursday?” I spoke with them some more on the bus, then I told them, "Come with me for a drink." They pondered it, then decided to join me. The three of us got off the bus. I had a drink at the bar with both of them. Got the blonde’s number, then they went home.

Later on, I followed a different group of girls and one guy to a second bar. At second bar/club, I met a girl from California who was very, very touchy upon meeting. We talked for a bit, went over to dance. She was very into grinding. Made me very hard. every time she’d turn away from me she’d run her hand across my pants. When I went in to kiss her, she would keep the kiss very short. Lo and behold, she was married, I found out from her friend a bit later. She was okay with grinding and flirting, but not okay kissing. It was a fun night though.

Biggest changes: Went out on a Thursday night, to bars I’d never been before on a Thursday.


Friday: I had a date with a Mexican girl who’s working as an au pair here. I met her at a bar a few weeks prior. We chat for a bit at a coffee shop, then move to a lounge-style bar I like. We got close physically close in the lounge bar, after she gave me some initial resistance to sitting right next to me. I didn’t feel like the mood was right to go for a kiss there. When I offer to have a drink at my place, she hesitates, “I don’t know yet if you’re a good person.” I tell her, “We’ll just have one drink, it’s only thirty minutes because I have to get up kind of early tomorrow.” I also joke with her that, “my mom tells me I’m a good person.”

She decides to come and we walk up the hill to my place. It’s raining lightly, and it feels very romantic. I stop her on the sidewalk face her, and get physically close. I go in for the kiss, but she turns her face down and away. Later on our walk, she’s tired. I lean over a bit and she jumps on me. I grab her legs, and carry her a bit. It was fun. See, going to the gym these last few months has some practical benefits.

While I was lying next to her on my bed and she was resting her head on my shoulder, she wouldn’t kiss me. In fact, she covered her mouth with my blanket to protect it from being kissed. Kind of childish, kind of fun, but I didn’t lose my cool at all. “It’s your job to resist; it’s my job to try. I understand.” I knew sex wasn’t going to happen and I didn’t want her to be the first one to tell me she was leaving. Soon thereafter I told her, “I have to be up early tomorrow, time for you to go.” While we’re waiting on my porch for her Uber, she puts both of her hands on my triceps and pulls me ever so slightly towards her, like she’s saying, “I want you.” We kiss twice and she leaves.

Biggest changes: Utilized Tom Torero’s date as a "clock" model, and one or two of his routines.


Saturday: Halloween. I go out with my roommate to his friend’s party, where it’s a bunch of dudes playing drinking games. We go to the bars. In the second bar we go to, I meet this red-haired girl. She’s really into me. When I tell her I’m going downtown soon to another party, she says to stay with her. But I have to go to this rave.

At this rave, a beautiful woman who looks Asian approaches me. We chat for a minute. Then she goes off to her friends. I see her an hour later, around 3 AM. We dance. I find out she’s Native American. That's one I hadn't heard before...She’s strong, with a solid body. She tells me she loves how powerful my gaze is, and how beautiful my eyes look. We’re holding hands constantly. Unlike most girls who say, “I’m going back to my friends” and will leave you, she tells me she’s going back to her friends and invites me along.

We dance with each other for another two hours, until about 5 AM. It’s a lot of fun. She leans the back of her body against me, cocks her head back and I run my hands up along her body and hold her breasts. Later on, she jumps me from the front and wraps her legs around me. I dirty talk her a bit. She dirty talks back. There’s a great energy. But I couldn’t get her to get back to my place, as she tells me she has to drive her friends back to where they're staying. We make tentative plans to meet the following night, as she’s heading home Monday. But I feel like I've already missed my chance.

Biggest changes: Placed my hands on her hips more sensually, with forefingers on one side and thumb on the other, and the thumb points towards her vagina. Matched this girl's energy and movement while dancing. Used two pieces of dirty talk I learned to escalate after kissing but before bouncing home.


Sunday: BANG. Met the Native American girl from the previous night. She came again with her friends to a Sunday nightclub. But her energy is much cooler. Feels like nothing's going to happen. When she goes outside to smoke, I walk around the club. I see three girls sitting on a long bench abutting the dance floor. I sit down next to one of the girls, a blonde with short hair, and I’m not sure whether I should open. They don't look that friendly. I send off a few text messages from my phone, and open the blonde. We talk for ten minutes, she is friendly. Then we get up and go to the dance floor. We dance, then kiss for the first time and it’s a long, strong kiss. Then, she won't stop kissing me. After this goes on for a couple minutes, I tell her, “We need to go some place where we can be alone.” She wholeheartedly agrees. We go to my place. She has a nice curvy body. Oh and gave the best blow job I’ve ever had. When she first did it, I told her to get her lips off of me, because I thought I was going to cum right there. I’ve never experienced anything close to that with a BJ before. The sex was okay, but the blowjob was amazing.

Biggest changes: Knowing what to say when you’re kissing on dance floor and want to gauge whether she’s down to move somewhere else. Opening her even though part of you might want to be silent.


Anyway, learned a bunch. I feel great.

Post: #6516

How do you guys approach the hotter white sorority girls? I'm typically not into white girls, but these girls are objectively pretty attractive, and while I hate talking to them, I do want to fuck one for the experience. I feel like it's difficult to talk to these girls if you aren't in a frat with a good reputation. My day approaches fall completely flat with them, but I'll frequently see them around with pretty average-looking guys who happen to be in the right fraternity. What can I do to circumvent this? I'm already in a fraternity, but unfortunately it's bottom-mid tier, which is almost as bad as not being in fraternity at all.

My current approach consists of a basic directions opener, then a netflix and chill routine where I caveman the girl once she's in my room. This works fantastic with black girls and fairly well with Indians and Filipinas, but I have yet to get at one of the blond sorority queen types. I wonder if I'm a little too relaxed and laid-back in my approach...from what I've seen, these girls seem to like super loud life-of-the-party types. I have no doubt that I could pull one with consistent effort, but I could use some tips.

Post: #6517

Public service announcement:

Roissy/CH has a twitter account again: @ChateauEmissary

Post: #6518

(11-01-2015 11:08 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  You're not even asking yourself these questions.

What is it that you want?
Can you describe it?
Can you figure out what the day to day looks like?
What if there's some snafu?

These are great questions to ask yourself not just for game purposes, but for overall quality of life. It's a good self exercise to sit down and write your answers to these questions, maybe as specific as 'What is it that I want from the next girl that I meet?'. Yes writing down. Read http://cdn5.sidsavara.com/wp-content/upl...mmary2.pdf

Quote:The positive effect of written goals was supported: Those who wrote their goals
accomplished significantly more than those who did not write their goals.

Also,

Quote:There was support for the role of public commitment: those who sent their
commitments to a friend accomplished significantly more than those who wrote
action commitments or did not write their goals.

So keep posting here lol.

Post: #6519

I have a new theory.

College girls who are former plates or plate-wannabes started all blowing up my phone in the same 48-hr period last week. Coincidental timing, maybe, but I think all these girls wanted to see me again for 1 of 2 reasons:

1- They didn't find a new guy they wanted to sleep with, so are begging for some male attention from a guy who knows Game instead of thirsty beta boys chasing them around and acting clingy.

2- They did find a new guy, she dumped him after 6-8 weeks or he did the same. Now, she's on the rebound and wants to feel good about herself by going out and getting laid with an older guy she knows is good at sex.

Another plate just started her first job recently, and I think the same thing happened. In this case I bet she didn't find someone new in a new town yet, and is dying to get fucked hard.

Maybe this is a corollary to Getting Girls in the Fall. Or it could just be me. Anyone else notice this mid-semester behavior?

None of this was Halloween oriented, they all just wanted to fuck me again. I felt like a god.

Post: #6520

I had a nice first date last night. I have high-sex drive and want to bang her. I progressed all the way to feeling pussy outside the pants. Does anyone just invite for Netflix and Chill for date 2 or for me to cook in luring her over to my place? If she rejects, do I counter-offer a spot close to my crib?

Post: #6521

Maybe my date idea was a bit to average. For me I don't like to give away the entire outline of a date, it takes the spontaneity out of it. I've found the thing about 18 year olds being flakey to be quite true *especially if met online*. I'm curious if this was girl was more DTF and wanted something a bit more direct.

Either way I haven't heard back since asking her out Wednesday night. Back to the drawing board.

Post: #6522

(11-05-2015 12:32 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  I had a nice first date last night. I have high-sex drive and want to bang her. I progressed all the way to feeling pussy outside the pants. Does anyone just invite for Netflix and Chill for date 2 or for me to cook in luring her over to my place? If she rejects, do I counter-offer a spot close to my crib?

My go to Date 2 option is inviting a girl over to my place for a glass of wine and to watch a movie.
If she says no or makes an objection then step back to a venue close to your place so you can pull her back easily.

Another option is to make like you're going to go somewhere but tell her to meet you at your place and you'll walk/travel from there. Then when she arrives giver her a tour and end up never leaving.

Post: #6523

Girl who ghosted on me after we had sex a few times just asked me out for drinks. This is like the 4th one in 9 days that hit me up to meet again. And she has the best body of all. Thinking sex is definitely on tonite but wish me luck anyway!!

Post: #6524

(11-05-2015 04:47 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 12:32 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  I had a nice first date last night. I have high-sex drive and want to bang her. I progressed all the way to feeling pussy outside the pants. Does anyone just invite for Netflix and Chill for date 2 or for me to cook in luring her over to my place? If she rejects, do I counter-offer a spot close to my crib?

My go to Date 2 option is inviting a girl over to my place for a glass of wine and to watch a movie.
If she says no or makes an objection then step back to a venue close to your place so you can pull her back easily.

Another option is to make like you're going to go somewhere but tell her to meet you at your place and you'll walk/travel from there. Then when she arrives giver her a tour and end up never leaving.

Second dates, if you haven't banged, are a tough play call.

If you built up sexual tension, had some adventure, and made a connection, you should be able to say "hey come over and split a bottle of wine." Believe it or not, there are girls who don't want to be known as a girl who puts out on the first night, especially if they see you as boyfriend potential. These are the girls that will give you green lights all night, but dry out when you suggest going to a bedroom. After a formal first date, they will be more conducive to coming straight to your house.

Start the bidding low. If she is not being responsive, you might have to go on another date. This would be a good opportunity for "hey I'm at xyz bar yada yada come hang out." Because you've already been on a date, there isn't as much pressure, and she should be looking forward to seeing you.

Cooking game is only for girls who I've banged. But, if you have some other fun bait at your house, definitely try to use that. "Hey I got a new painting and need a woman's advice on where to put it." Simple shit like that.

Don't say the words "netflix & chill" within the same sentence (unless you're 15).

Hell - the "netflix & chill" phenomenon has pushed me farther away from getting a TV. With tight game, there are countless other excuses to get a girl over to your house.

Post: #6525

Met a 19 year old girl online. She was smitten by me and wanted to see me and drove over 100 miles to see me, made out touched her boobs and butt and she kept saying how she "wanted to be a lady" after the date she kept saying we didn't spend enough time together that the date was too short and made plans to see me the following week.

I had a very busy week so I didn't reply to a lot of her snaps or texts or it would be delayed. I'm not good at keeping in touch with people and I'm usually out doing things.

I texted her on snapchat about tmr and she told me she couldn't make it. Cool. I went to text her on her phone to chat and simply said "hey" The message delivered. Then the next message shows she blocked my number because the message wouldn't say "delivered" I don't understand why she would even block me. That's fucked up. I'm just so confused...why? Why would she do that?

I feel pretty rejected and broken over it. I'm not sure how I constantly fuck it up with girls who like me and are attracted to me.