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I started daytime approaching for the first time in my life this June at age 40. It's cold and dark out out now, so my attempts have declined sharply.
I was looking through my phone contacts, and I gathered more than 200 numbers from the summer. From those I got about eight bangs, and only two of those were legit 7+.
Are these considered normal-ish numbers? I guess eight bangs is a lot for the average guy, but it feels like nothing considering the effort that went into it. They were almost all ONS.
It's kind of depressing that I went through all that work (approaching is very tough for me) and now I'm heading into winter with no gf and zero prospects, which is exactly where I didn't want to be.
(10-31-2018 08:10 PM)Cavorite Wrote: I started daytime approaching for the first time in my life this June at age 40. It's cold and dark out out now, so my attempts have declined sharply.
I was looking through my phone contacts, and I gathered more than 200 numbers from the summer. From those I got about eight bangs, and only two of those were legit 7+.
Are these considered normal-ish numbers? I guess eight bangs is a lot for the average guy, but it feels like nothing considering the effort that went into it. They were almost all ONS.
It's kind of depressing that I went through all that work (approaching is very tough for me) and now I'm heading into winter with no gf and zero prospects, which is exactly where I didn't want to be.
8 bangs out of 200 approaches, that's 4% number to bang ratio.
Check out this thread:
Two Months In The Life Of The G Manifesto: Approach-Number-Conversion Rates.
Putting aside the "is Gmanifesto real?!" discussion, he claims a 15% number to bang ratio. There are other guys in the thread who put up similar numbers.
However, that thread was posted years ago, and times have definitely changed.
In GAME (which I highly recommend you read), Roosh shares the following estimates:
Quote:It would be great if you met a pretty girl in a bar, had a long conversation with her that ended with a kiss, got her phone number, and then arranged a date for a few days later. Unfortunately, the likelihood of this scenario is shrinking, resulting in huge amounts of frustration for just about every man who meets girls at night. Here is the worst-case reality: if you get phone numbers from girls you don’t kiss, you’ll need ten to eighteen numbers to get one date. If you’re getting numbers from girls you kissed, you’ll need between five and ten. If you’re banging girls on the same night, you’ll need between two and six. I guarantee you will go through periods where you see worst-case numbers.
Considering that you're not kissing these girls, you should expect a 5-10% number to date ratio using Roosh's numbers.
My suggestion: just keep going. If these are your first 200 approaches ever, you've got a long way to go, and your numbers should improve over next few hundred.
(10-31-2018 08:10 PM)Cavorite Wrote: I started daytime approaching for the first time in my life this June at age 40. It's cold and dark out out now, so my attempts have declined sharply.
I was looking through my phone contacts, and I gathered more than 200 numbers from the summer. From those I got about eight bangs, and only two of those were legit 7+.
Are these considered normal-ish numbers? I guess eight bangs is a lot for the average guy, but it feels like nothing considering the effort that went into it. They were almost all ONS.
It's kind of depressing that I went through all that work (approaching is very tough for me) and now I'm heading into winter with no gf and zero prospects, which is exactly where I didn't want to be.
If you banged 8 out of 200 phone numbers, all from the street, it means essentially you fucked the "strong yes" girls. The good news is you have some serious room for improvement somewhere in your funnel - clearly you're putting in the grind, so tweaking a few things should make conversion shoot up significantly. Black Caesar dropped a nice little diagnostic above, would be interested to hear your analysis.
If your street approach is tight you should be able to get between one quarter and one half of your numbers out for a date, depending on city/country. From there the close percentage depends on your date game and to some extent your logistics.
Street phone numbers (assuming your approach is good) are generally a lot more reliable than bar/club numbers, so I wouldn't read too much into figures in the above posts since they are based on night time.
A big factor in street game is positioning, time of day and average profile - this varies by city and also area. I've been blown out 10x in a row during rush hour at a metro station by girls who clearly had somewhere to be, and in contrast collected 3 numbers in a row from aimless wanderers or solo tourists at the beach.
I don't know what your average session looks like, but if you have to rush your number closes because it's a busy time of day in a transit area, they're gonna be less solid than the number from a solo tourist or aimless 3pm shopper, both of whom have absolutely nothing to do.
If I'm misinterpreting and you actually banged 8 out of 200
cold approaches, not numbers, then you're well on the right track and should just work on ratcheting up the quality.
I phrased that poorly. I meant 8 bangs from 200+ approaches, not phone numbers.
Maybe 25% of numbers return my text, half of those actually end up meeting for a date, and half of those end in a bang. I feel like I'm leaving a lot of girls on the table.
I guess I'm not making a strong enough impression. I mostly use Roosh's small talk/elderly game, but never progress much beyond that in the initial conversation.
(11-01-2018 04:12 PM)Cavorite Wrote: I phrased that poorly. I meant 8 bangs from 200+ approaches, not phone numbers.
Maybe 25% of numbers return my text, half of those actually end up meeting for a date, and half of those end in a bang. I feel like I'm leaving a lot of girls on the table.
I guess I'm not making a strong enough impression. I mostly use Roosh's small talk/elderly game, but never progress much beyond that in the initial conversation.
Those are still some pretty good numbers man. 1 in 25 from the street is nothing to sniff at... so the next thing is to ratchet up the quality of girl.
In terms of making a stronger impression, which obviously helps with the hotter ones, I learnt a lot from Krauser's more advanced material.
He has more of a direct approach in comparison, which seems to work better for me in terms of polarizing the girls and improving response/date rate.
She should leave the interaction feeling excited, having had her state spiked a bunch of times, been qualifying herself to you, and she should have no illusion about your intentions... if you're sticking to very friendly chat the whole time then there isn't a lot that's particularly novel about the interaction - she needs to have her world rocked in some way for you to stand out.
(11-02-2018 10:47 AM)corsega Wrote: The problem with Krauser is that it's very London/European focused advice. A lot of the weird stuff he does and says wouldn't fly in the US, culturally.
For US daygame I much prefer Todd Valentine.
I wouldn't say he does much "weird stuff". I'm from NZ and have spent some time in Australia, it's still applicable and if anything we'd be considered more "culturally" different than Americans.
There's always calibration but that goes without saying and is pretty common sense. You're not going to say "I hope you speak english" to a white girl in the middle of Texas, or cold read half the girls as looking really Russian when you're in NZ/AU. It's not like Europe doesn't have a significant spectrum either - Eastern Europeans respond much differently than British girls.
Todd V seems reasonable and generally has a pretty technical approach to things. I haven't gone through his daygame material though so I can't speak much to his methodology.
All I'm trying to say is pick one guy's approach and run with it until you've ironed out the kinks - I can't vouch for Todd but 1k+ approaches along Krauser's lines has improved my results noticeably, and I know firsthand a lot of what he teaches will help drive a bigger first impression. In the past I haven't liked how RSD products are very hypey and not so grounded, but I haven't watched any of Todd's stuff in a few years.
Was out at a 90s party last night. Pretty good atmosphere, nice music, good energy and IoIs on the dance floor.
Speaking of IoIs, do you guys ever get lack of focus? When IoIs come from a couple of directions, and none of them is something I feel strongly about OR it's a hard set (big group, she's with a guy etc.), I kind of let it play out the way it will. It didn't help last night and I wish I would change that and just go more actively for one.
One of the girls I was hitting it with suddenly disappeared even though it looked like she was interested. Higher chance of avoiding that if I had led her off the dance floor to chat more properly. Same thing happened on Friday night.
Got something out of the night at least, I had a last-minute number close on the way back after I got off the bus.
So uhh, yeah guys, i sailed to pretty weird waters. What a bout a friends ex as a FWB?
i mean i always was in good friendly relationship with her, and stuff, but in the past few weeks there were soft flirting between us, and tough i do it for fun only, it raised a question in me. Would it be a jerk move if someone did the above there? In most cases i would feel bad if someone would do similar to me, but not in all, if the girl was a hoe who gives a fuck if your friend banged her or not. But now i just slid to a pretty slippery slope, and want to know if i should get back, before i fuck anything up.
I've eclipsed 100 lifetime bangs. I'm no longer going for numbers. I'm triple digits now and my ego has rationalized that there's diminishing returns unless I get close to 1000 bangs, which I find no reason to pursue. 101, 500, and 999 bangs are all triple digits. I'm focusing on the 8s, 9s, and dymes for the remainder of my life, passively open to a potential wife, and also mixing in some flag missions.
kaotic · 2018-11-08 17:12:00 · #11626
I realized I haven’t given any updates since August, and A LOT’S happened!
The month of October was basically a bender traveling from coast to coast and in between and 3 weddings, needless to say I spent an excess amount of cash but the memories I’ll never ever forget along with the bonds.
I finished my 5 month cycle of Test/NPP (Deca’s cousin), currently at the biggest I’ve ever been, I’m decently lean and you can tell the difference, I casually send girls post gym selfies and it’s always the face with heart emoji’s. It makes me feel good.
I’m becoming more in tune with my emotions and realizing I’m probably hitting a wall and coming to a quarterlifer crisis in goals and my journey.
The guys in my group chat, whom I consider some of my closest friends have made me realize I need to stop talking about change (bad habit) and actually MAKE those changes.
More on this later.
Let’s start off with girls and some new notches:
8 date chick – Super cool but homebody basic/boring chick, very low energy, 26 year old, rate her a 6.75, 5’6 hourglass body, I enjoyed my time with her and was dating/banging other girls so she was a slow burn girl. She even hooked me up with Suite ticks to a game, I got LMR from her on Date 6, one Date 7 I didn’t have a condom. Obviously I banged her on the 8th date at my house, pierced nips, sexy tat above her pussy.
Notes: I noticed she bailed on the next time we hungout (a week later), my gut told me it was done, I was right, she sent me a “not feeling romantic” kind of text. Honestly I was hoping I was hoping I wasn’t going to have to juggle her and she was mediocre at best, haven’t gave it an afterthought since.
Light skinned Latina – 24 year old this women had the most impact on my in a very long time, tiny 5’3 petite blonde, natural medium sized tits, a cute tiny ass, and a nice looking pussy to boot. She came over second meet and we fucked. Rate her a hard 7, and a personality that wanted to make her my girl so maybe even a 7.5. HOWEVER she had major issues and things ended fast and they burned hot.
I’ll write more about her in a separate post – because she made me realize a lot of things.
Tiny Cheerleader – 23 year old, 5 foot, semi petite white chick, banging body, tatted all the way to her ass. She’s super cool, smart, and a freak. We banged on the second date. If she pushed herself at the gym like she did when she was cheerleading and gymnastics I’d destroy her every night. I call her my rave bae cause of a sexy outfit she sent me. Perky tits, great gym ass, nice looking pussy. I’d rate her almost a 7. She lives an hour from me, but drove to meet me second date. She’s actually coming out tomorrow night and I’m taking her out, and we’re fucking all night and into Saturday. She’s my natural viagara.
The Shy Girl – 25 year old 5’4 shyster, she’s got an okay body, and working on it, rate her a 6, standard first date, she came over for 2nd meet, no dice but went to grab some hangover food, 3rd meet up I absolutely dominate her, I love the fact her legs shudder whenever she cummed. She’s kinda boring, and needs to work on getting her shit together, but probably not LTR material, she definitely sees me as that for sure.
Chinese Shorty – 25 year old, I’m honestly not proud of this one, I’d rate her a low 6, we fucked on the 3rd meet at my house, she camoflauges her body well, she’s got nice tits and ass, but the rest of her is left to be desired, can suck a mean dick, she's loud and annoying as fuck other than that, I banged her one more time, and that was it.
I’ve gone on a ton of dates, some highlights:
Cougar Afghan – she talked a big game, I’d tease her and call her on it and treated her like my little sister. Super sexual makeout, then texts me the next day that I’m too “dominant” for her. AKA she’s a Type A and doesn’t like not being in control and how I’m dominant. Her loss, especially after she admitted she’s a serial dater and was in a swinger relationship (which I laughed at). Of course I sent a reply back agreeing and highlighting that I’m not into serial daters who can’t handle actual men, heh she didn’t like that one bit.
Weird but cute Mexican girl – This one was definitely cute a 7, flirting, but something felt off. We had some commonality about bettering ourselves yet I could hardly remember our convo, she did get weird at the end even if we did make out. Sent me that “not feeling it text”, I sent her back a low key nuke, about agreeing she’s right and I’m not into serial daters.
Dread head girl – nice body, big tits, worked at a large kitchen place, super pretty face, but ruined with dreads, 6.5 rating, 3 dates, she sucked my dick with my load, I went dark on her a month, I was traveling and had some issues, I just hit her up last night as a hair mary, got the “I had fun, but I don’t see anything else, good luck”, deleted her number
Latina Cop – 6.5 shorty, cute, but I think being a Cop ruined her feminine side, she could joke, but she just felt dead inside, I got a weird feeling and was gonna kiss her, and was just over it, didn’t reach out to her after.
Latina shit talker – probably a 6.5, super pretty face, but obvious red flags as she hasn’t had a BF in a very long time, rarely dates, she gave me an ass out hug (I cut the date short) and immediately sent her a text after the date and was butthurt I nexted her.
Polish Arizona – I basically fingerblasted this MILF on a dancefloor in Scottsdale in a pre wedding bar hop, and then as I’m about to bounce her, she tells me her BF is picking her up of all things, one of the wings fucked her MMA looking Skrillex haircut cousin.
Now onto my current plates (excluding repeat bangs from above):
The Indian – we’ve been fucking about once a week and have been doing this for a few years, we go out once awhile also get drunk and bang. She let slip that her sister thinks she’s in love with me. She very sexy in the bedroom, has one of the nicest bodies I’ve seen, our sex is hit or miss to be honest. Also I found out something dark, she got molested as a kid, is working through therapy, and is on some meds. She’s super sweet to me, but she’s a tomboy who cleans up super hot when dressing up, unfortunately she kind acts like a dude, obviously no LTR shit after finding out a lot of this stuff.
Triple D Redhead – we’ve been fucking for 2 years, she’s super sweet, a baby making body that makes me drop all my loads in her. We have more intimate I control when she cums sexual chemistry. I see her once a week or every other week, she’s super shy, dork, but also very insecure. Her father wasn’t good to her and a guy filmed and showed videos to her mutual friends so, I stopped blindfolding her because she got upset. Hate to say despite being very sweet and feminine, she isn’t LTR material.
East Coast Girl – We’ve been fucking for over a year, there’s never “what are we” talk, we fuck, we have fun, we never go out. She’s going through clinicals and has to work literally 2 hour traffic commute away from her apartment. I fuck her every which way I want and she always does what I want. We have a rough give it to me daddy sexual chemistry. She’s a girl I wouldn’t mind bouncing around with in public BUT definitely not a girl I’d say this is my girl to my friends.
Cougar – this feisty fake titted Blondie is a bratt, constantly calling me daddy, out of all my plates our sexual chemistry is off the charts, there was a gap when she to SEA with her kids and went dark on me, because I wasn’t giving her any attention, I straightened her out and we’ve been good every since, we’ve only really went out a handful of times, I wouldn’t care if I was seen with her in public, obviously shes not LTR material, but I like keeping her around.
Black cheerleader – she’s super nice, very feminine, a fantast ass and tiny pusy, sucks a mean dick, but despite this she seems dead and sort of boring beyond the bed room, she lost her father 2 years ago to cancer, im sure some of how she has to do with the loss of him. I barely see her maybe once a month, she’s more of a reserve
New Potential:
I picked up this 28 year old 7 tatted MILF at a college bar a month and a half ago, 4 biker dudes opened her and her friend and my target look bored. So I cut in as she was on her phone point towards me and asked “so…how’s this going” with a smirk, chatted her up, got her number, and ran into her at 2 other bars, solid makeout at the end of the night.
Fastforward when I get back from traveling, she went dark then hits me up saying that she doesn’t think “she’s crazy enough of a girl to hang with me” tldr she thinks all I do is love party ratchet girls. I tell her directly Im not into girls that like and she shouldn’t be so quick to judge my IG (social media can be a double edged sword). She agrees to meet for an actual date – she’s very heavy kino kisses me first and we share a beer.
By the end of the night, shes rubbing her hand over my dick in my boxers and I grab her ass inside her jeans and lightly choke her in the parking lot.
Fast forward to last night – we went out for a drink, she was holding my hand, grabbing my ass, and I teased her on it, she was worried about showing too much PDA. I had her completely naked last night, to my surprised fake 34D surprise tits! Some of her tat artwork is sexy, the others are meh. No dice on the bang, kept pushing through LMR period BS, but still no bang, not even some head.
She’s very sweet, definitely feminine, a great body, a pretty face, I’m looking forward to fucking her, and we both know it’s nothing serious at all because her priorities are her new job and her daughter.
Overall:
Dick game is still strong, dates are still solid, quality has definitely gone up, I’ve extremely picky with pulling in new chicks, cutting other lame dates short.
But there’s more to this story regarding relationship views, my emotions, being open, and what’s change, a lot of that has to do with the light skinned Latina.