What happen to your year in review guides? Still busy? Anyway, I'm sure sure you're still killing it. I've never heard you complain about burn out, or maybe I missed it.

(10-16-2018 02:01 PM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  I wouldn´t be solving one girl so much. But she is 9 with amazing body, young, and everything says her history is really acceptable. She had one long-term relationship and she was an athlete and commited to it many hours each day of week since childhood. And I have been just banging around for last 7 months with lower quality girls, so this could be good.

But I almost forget how to play it with this kind of girl. I guess I should let her do all the moves, right? I want her to be the one who´s chasing me, even though I have strong feeling I should chase her (which is very rare for me now). I am not going to write her at all and only let her initiate contact. I´m also going to work away upcomign weeks and only come to the city 2-3 times a week., so I will just let her know, that I am here and don´t push to seeing each other very much.

Edit: As I am going to sleep, she texted me again, that she is so glad that we finally met. But I realized, she told me she was living at her "brother" recently, lol.

Be careful with this one Tomzestatlu. She may just have been with that ONE guy while in the U.K. but from what you were saying, it sort of seems like they broke up then got back together then broke up, again.

You don't want to be her beta orbiter unless it's to hookup. Don't become attached to this one, she seems like a heartbreaker. You should be the one breaking hearts ;-)

Nearly got a flag. Went to the club with my friends and there was a beer pong competition. I won it. I started talking to a random girl next to me and within 1 minute we were kissing. I put my game on. She’s a petite Italian 6. I say let’s get out of here, she gives me a 1 hour speech of how she doesn’t want to be seen as a slut in Italian society, I eventually convince her to take me to her bed.

We get in, she’s 23 (4 years older) and lives alone. I strip her and a plump petite ass and titties pop out of her shirt, Italian girls are not bad at all... I try everything to fuck her, I’m fingering her, she’s whimpering and starts biting my neck but still she won’t bang! So we decide to sleep. I poke her in her sleep 3 times in the night, still not having it but she tells me she wants to fuck me.

In the morning I try again but she says I have to go to university, we were both tired and there’s no time but we should have sex properly next time and sober. I think she’s not lying as she really likes me, I will finish my business and get this Italian flag - in Italy a rarity. I really pushed this to the limits by trying it all. I pulled out my dick in front of her, did it all but she just wouldn’t. The amount of shit she was saying was too damn high but I’m willing to put up with it for the bang. Her pussy was also dry like a sandpit, even though I knew she was horny, which was weird cos the last girl I banged felt like an ocean.

Anyway, after being obsessed over a long distance relationship since July, I can say I am back in the game.

How do you guys find out if an unbanged prospect will be on her period pre-date? Most women don't want to bang during their period so I want to know beforehand. I may even try to reschedule the date. I don't mind a period if it's a new notch but I'm sure I've been cockblocked because of it without even knowing.

(10-18-2018 02:19 PM)Conquistador Wrote:  What happen to your year in review guides? Still busy? Anyway, I'm sure sure you're still killing it. I've never heard you complain about burn out, or maybe I missed it.

It's not burn out, I'm just too lazy to write anything up, I've said alot of what I wanted in the last few years, my life is high energy so most of my energy is devoted to that.

(10-19-2018 11:05 AM)RougeNoir Wrote:  How do you guys find out if an unbanged prospect will be on her period pre-date? Most women don't want to bang during their period so I want to know beforehand. I may even try to reschedule the date. I don't mind a period if it's a new notch but I'm sure I've been cockblocked because of it without even knowing.

So what's your plan? You're literally going to ask what her cycle is? If she's ovulating?

Ask her if she's on her period right before her date?

She could have an irregular period for all you know.


Do you see how odd/funny that would be to ask a girl? That would definitely cock block you and you'd be nexted real quick.


When girls say "I'm on my period" that means:

-I want to fuck you but my morals say I can't
-I want to fuck you but I don't want to feel like a slut
-I want to fuck you but I want to wait till the 3rd date
-I want to fuck you but I'm actually on my period

Brother this is ALL last minute resistance when she's in your bed.

It's your job to bat down all her excuses and shit tests:

"That's okay, I'm not worried, I can get a towel" -proceed like normal-
"That's not the first time I've heard that excuse" -with a grin-
"What are you talking about? We aren't fucking" -with a grin-

Push and pull from this point on - some girls just won't fuck if they're on their period.

Some girls won't fuck because they actually have some standards. (I'm actually impressed by those girls - except actual prudes)

You've gotta be able to read her, catch real excuses from fake ones, and make the push for the bang.

Sometimes you've gotta call it a night and send her home.

(10-18-2018 09:10 PM)UniversalMen Wrote:  

(10-16-2018 02:01 PM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  I wouldn´t be solving one girl so much. But she is 9 with amazing body, young, and everything says her history is really acceptable. She had one long-term relationship and she was an athlete and commited to it many hours each day of week since childhood. And I have been just banging around for last 7 months with lower quality girls, so this could be good.

But I almost forget how to play it with this kind of girl. I guess I should let her do all the moves, right? I want her to be the one who´s chasing me, even though I have strong feeling I should chase her (which is very rare for me now). I am not going to write her at all and only let her initiate contact. I´m also going to work away upcomign weeks and only come to the city 2-3 times a week., so I will just let her know, that I am here and don´t push to seeing each other very much.

Edit: As I am going to sleep, she texted me again, that she is so glad that we finally met. But I realized, she told me she was living at her "brother" recently, lol.

Be careful with this one Tomzestatlu. She may just have been with that ONE guy while in the U.K. but from what you were saying, it sort of seems like they broke up then got back together then broke up, again.

You don't want to be her beta orbiter unless it's to hookup. Don't become attached to this one, she seems like a heartbreaker. You should be the one breaking hearts ;-)

Yes, that´s what I think.
I must think of her as I only want to bang her, which is problem for me when it comes to better girls. It´s damn easy to maintain a frame, when girl is only bangable, but not datable.
Currently because of my work I have to stay in small town for 6 weeks. It´s one and half hour from my home, so I try to go home, whenever it pays off in means of some free time (that could be 2-3 night a week). I became very used to chase women in my city recently and in this place it´s totally dead (there are around 10 thousands citizens). I went back home yesterday and I wanted to arrange meeting with her. At this moment I became definitely needy, because I wanted girl company for few hours I´m back at my city. I tried arrange meeting at all cost, which definitely affected my frame. I don´t want to contact her for some time. But if she doesn´t do that first, I will probably do that by Tuesday/Wednesday, when I am back at my city again.

Meanwhile I went to date with one interesting girl, that I approached in a club last weekend.. She is attorney, very clever, but also very good looking and funny. I would consider this girl to be high quality too, but she is 5 years older than me, which is not for something serious. We were sitting for 5 hours (that´s quite long date) and it was good. Funny thing is, that she knows a lot of my friends as her clients. I probably ended up in her eyes as the same person as they are, because we know each other from "doing the bad things in which a lot of violence is involved". But I think, that she, as a women is subconsciosly attracted to this, even though she stands on the "other side".
As we left the venue, I offered her to take her home. She said, that if I am thinking, that she will invite me inside, then I´m wrong. I joked about immediately leaving her on the street. I actually didn´t expect anything much from this kind of girl, but she even left the car without a kiss. But I considered this date to be entertaining for both of us (she could end it after 2 hours instead of 5, I was pushing it to end, because I had to wake up early at he morning). I will hit her, when I come back to my city and will see.

Maybe it´s good, that I am cut off from the big city and maybe I can finally focus on something more meaningful, than chasing girls. It was enough recent period.

Today I went out with a group of friends and invited my Colombian classmate - he ended up bringing his hot Colombian friends along with some Argentinians. I first make a move on the Argie chick but instead move on to the Colombian chick, she was really cute and wore leggings which showed off her scrumptious ass, though not too big by Colombian standards.

We go to a Latino club which played salsa and reggaeton, I danced with my chick and she taught me salsa movements and I am surprisingly getting better. She had to leave early as she had work the next morning but wanted my number so I asked for hers, she asked about my logistics and said me and her should dance tomorrow or next week - this is my chance to bang her and I will do my best to make it happen.

I realised that knowing how to dance salsa opens such a huge door to the best ass and so does knowing Spanish. I am lucky I invested at least a little bit into both of these things and I want to consistently get better.

In one sentence, how would you describe "RVF Game?"

I've been going out with some RSD guys and it's obvious what RSD style is. Lots of approaching, high energy, and they all say ridiculous shit to get a reaction out of girls. I wouldn't exactly call it clown game, because a lot of normal guys are worse, but it's clear that a lot of the things they do exist to entertain the girls.

Anyway, hanging with these guys made me realize the difference between RVF & RSD. I've gone out with RVF guys often and I'm not sure how to describe it, but it's clear our style is much different. We're more focused on building chemistry, instead of just creating excitement, with women. We're not interested in opening 100 different sets and we're not worried about "being in state" or that kind of stuff.

So - I'm curious how you guys would characterize "RVF Game."

(10-21-2018 01:17 PM)redbeard Wrote:  In one sentence, how would you describe "RVF Game?"

I've been going out with some RSD guys and it's obvious what RSD style is. Lots of approaching, high energy, and they all say ridiculous shit to get a reaction out of girls. I wouldn't exactly call it clown game, because a lot of normal guys are worse, but it's clear that a lot of the things they do exist to entertain the girls.

Anyway, hanging with these guys made me realize the difference between RVF & RSD. I've gone out with RVF guys often and I'm not sure how to describe it, but it's clear our style is much different. We're more focused on building chemistry, instead of just creating excitement, with women. We're not interested in opening 100 different sets and we're not worried about "being in state" or that kind of stuff.

So - I'm curious how you guys would characterize "RVF Game."

RSD = Building a persona
RVF = Building your character

Admittedly I've tried few RSD 'techniques'. I'm not a fan of breaking down interactions into boxes, but I'm also not the engineer/left brainer type that may be drawn toward RSD's systems.

Agree 100% we are more about connection/chemistry here; IMHO connection is something fluid and elusive, thus hard to distill into a 'system'.

RVF game can probably be broken down into a few heuristics, like Roissy's commandments. RVF teaches you to see the bigger picture, not worrying about every microscopic interaction.

RSD, from what I understand (and I might be totally wrong) is based more around the Mystery style of "girl says X, you say Y which can elicit reaction A B or C; if A do thing 1, if B do thing 2" etc.

For setting up the date, sometimes I get no confirmation but " Yeah sure, but I need to check on blah blah". Let's say you set up this date A WEEK in advance which seems a long time.
What do , you guys , do ?
Option # 1 : You do the takeaway asking for definite date
Option # 2 : You let her take her time and touch base with her well before the date. Maybe she wants to talk to her girl friends about it or maybe she has husband/ boyfriend and she wants to make sure he is out town. Or maybe she hasn't made up her mind yet.

(10-21-2018 03:14 PM)Anchor Man Wrote:  For setting up the date, sometimes I get no confirmation but " Yeah sure, but I need to check on blah blah". Let's say you set up this date A WEEK in advance which seems a long time.
What do , you guys , do ?
Option # 1 : You do the takeaway asking for definite date
Option # 2 : You let her take her time and touch base with her well before the date. Maybe she wants to talk to her girl friends about it or maybe she has husband/ boyfriend and she wants to make sure he is out town. Or maybe she hasn't made up her mind yet.

I take that as a no and unless she follows up later with "hey I checked on blah blah and I'm free" I considered it to be no date.

(10-19-2018 10:38 PM)Mikestar Wrote:  [...] We go to a Latino club which played salsa and reggaeton, I danced with my chick and she taught me salsa movements and I am surprisingly getting better. She had to leave early as she had work the next morning but wanted my number so I asked for hers, she asked about my logistics and said me and her should dance tomorrow or next week - this is my chance to bang her and I will do my best to make it happen.

Well, if she was teaching you salsa moves, it quite likely means you're not that good. However, what it implies, you should be careful if you end up in a lion's den. If it's a latin club, you'll be surrounded by a few competent dancers and they'll ask her to dance ripping up your date plan. Also, she may be reeling you in as a pawn to make another guy(s) jealous. Unless you're REALLY competent dancer (dancing probably no less than a year, twice a week, a couple hours and going to classes) and can lead different girls easily over entire song, I'd strongly advise against it. Even if I were myself a great dancer, I still wouldn't take on a first 'date' a girl who's a good dancer to a salsa club. You pretty much risk getting amoged left and right over the entire night looking at her smiling in the arms of many men.

(10-21-2018 03:14 PM)Anchor Man Wrote:  For setting up the date, sometimes I get no confirmation but " Yeah sure, but I need to check on blah blah". Let's say you set up this date A WEEK in advance which seems a long time.
What do , you guys , do ?
Option # 1 : You do the takeaway asking for definite date
Option # 2 : You let her take her time and touch base with her well before the date. Maybe she wants to talk to her girl friends about it or maybe she has husband/ boyfriend and she wants to make sure he is out town. Or maybe she hasn't made up her mind yet.

I'd suggest changing messaging flow. I don't set up a date days before, even less so entire week - it makes you look like overexcited puppy. With continuous pinging over whatsapp back and forth, you'll know were you are and when to pitch a date request.

I'll usually do it, depending on circumstances, within a few hours to max 48 hours after getting a number, and will set up a date day only (as soon as possible, usually a day beforehand). Then, seamlessly, as we approach the 'zero' hour, provide more info. Usually, specific time and place in separate messages (it's easier to say 'yes' to one thing than two - it's a subtle difference, but still), evening the day before but preferably ON the date day - keeps her on her toes when she wonders if it's still on - you want her to feel a bit insecurity you may not set up a date but the most powerful effect is it shows you're nonchalant about a prospect of a date and you're a busy man (a bonus point is if she messages you asking if/when you meet - it's a VERY strong signal she's a solid maybe girl or better).

It also gets rid of a problem of the awkward messaging to 'confirm' if it's still on because it's just natural last message I send a girl around lunch time 'let's meet at X' prior date. If she doesn't reply, she flaked, if she does, game on. I think setting up a date a week or more prior is an overkill these days.

(10-21-2018 04:07 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(10-21-2018 03:14 PM)Anchor Man Wrote:  For setting up the date, sometimes I get no confirmation but " Yeah sure, but I need to check on blah blah". Let's say you set up this date A WEEK in advance which seems a long time.
What do , you guys , do ?
Option # 1 : You do the takeaway asking for definite date
Option # 2 : You let her take her time and touch base with her well before the date. Maybe she wants to talk to her girl friends about it or maybe she has husband/ boyfriend and she wants to make sure he is out town. Or maybe she hasn't made up her mind yet.

I'd suggest changing messaging flow. I don't set up a date days before, even less so entire week - it makes you look like overexcited puppy. With continuous pinging over whatsapp back and forth, you'll know were you are and when to pitch a date request.

I'll usually do it, depending on circumstances, within a few hours to max 48 hours after getting a number, and will set up a date day only (as soon as possible, usually a day beforehand). Then, seamlessly, as we approach the 'zero' hour, provide more info. Usually, specific time and place in separate messages (it's easier to say 'yes' to one thing than two - it's a subtle difference, but still), evening the day before but preferably ON the date day - keeps her on her toes when she wonders if it's still on - you want her to feel a bit insecurity you may not set up a date but the most powerful effect is it shows you're nonchalant about a prospect of a date and you're a busy man (a bonus point is if she messages you asking if/when you meet - it's a VERY strong signal she's a solid maybe girl or better).

It also gets rid of a problem of the awkward messaging to 'confirm' if it's still on because it's just natural last message I send a girl around lunch time 'let's meet at X' prior date. If she doesn't reply, she flaked, if she does, game on. I think setting up a date a week or more prior is an overkill these days.

Thank you for the details .
Here's my case and could you point out to me what I did wrong ?

I got the above mentioned reply from a girl in my social circle. I took this as no and never confirmed the date. Guess what! On the morning of "the supposed date" day, she put herself in my orbit and started conversation with me with her eyes wondering about the date, but she never explicitly mentioned it. For weeks, she would put herself in my orbit and gave me puppy eyes multiple times . She even followed me one time .I never brought up the date again for two reasons :
1- I was waiting on her to mention it.
2- I thought she might have missed my attention and she couldn't believe that I have not confirmed the date with her and she was trying to get my attention back. (maybe I was insecure)
At one point, she gave up which made sense .

Do you think I went too extreme ?

I am relatively new to the game and I like to look back and break down my mistakes.

(10-21-2018 03:51 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(10-19-2018 10:38 PM)Mikestar Wrote:  [...] We go to a Latino club which played salsa and reggaeton, I danced with my chick and she taught me salsa movements and I am surprisingly getting better. She had to leave early as she had work the next morning but wanted my number so I asked for hers, she asked about my logistics and said me and her should dance tomorrow or next week - this is my chance to bang her and I will do my best to make it happen.

Well, if she was teaching you salsa moves, it quite likely means you're not that good. However, what it implies, you should be careful if you end up in a lion's den. If it's a latin club, you'll be surrounded by a few competent dancers and they'll ask her to dance ripping up your date plan. Also, she may be reeling you in as a pawn to make another guy(s) jealous. Unless you're REALLY competent dancer (dancing probably no less than a year, twice a week, a couple hours and going to classes) and can lead different girls easily over entire song, I'd strongly advise against it. Even if I were myself a great dancer, I still wouldn't take on a first 'date' a girl who's a good dancer to a salsa club. You pretty much risk getting amoged left and right over the entire night looking at her smiling in the arms of many men.

I am not that experienced but she complimented me and asked me where I learnt to dance, I told her in Mexico. In this club we were in a group and not once did she give attention to any other guy, as in Italy it is very cliquish to the point your group doesn’t even mingle sometimes. I think if we go out next time it will be in a group again but I don’t mind that, all her friends actually saw me doing my thing and left us alone. In Italy I plan on doing long game because I will be here till February. But yes I must get this girl out soon and smash her ridiculously.

In other news I have a date with an italian girl which I pulled home this week but didn’t let me smash, on Thursday she agreed to get ice cream and then back to her place to seal the deal. Let’s hope there are no surprises

(10-11-2018 10:46 AM)ricosuave Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 09:50 AM)InvoluntaryHermit Wrote:  Some great progress in my game and hopefully can be a reinforcement for men who struggle with caring about outcome too much.

Talk to a girl at my uni, she casually drops that she has a boyfriend while I am flirting with her, keep flirting anyways, become facebook and IG friends.

Chat her up next time I see her and ask her out, she is like "dude I have a boyfriend?!" I tell her I don't care and that I want to take her for myself. She gets super mad and tries to shame me and I tell her I refuse to let anyone make me feel bad about going after what I want.

Don't talk to her for a couple weeks other than a passing "hey" when I see her around. Text her HBD and ask if she has any plans on her birthday. She is sending smiley faces and says she isn't really celebrating.. Tell her I am surprised that her BF isn't taking her out. She barely defends him and then sends me this gigantic text about how she hasn't stopped thinking about me since I asked her out and that I have "an invisible and primal control over her" that she can't shake, and that she knows she cares way more about what I think about her than what I think about her.

She tries to shit test me by not replying to me after that, see her at school tomorrow, shoot her a seductive "hey" with a wink when I pass her at school. She texts me like right after that and says she is a piece of shit for being so difficult, but she can't get herself to go out with me while she has a BF. Tell her I will see her around.

Planted the seed awhile back and waited for it to grow. I was thinking at this point I should just wait and let her take care of the boyfriend problem? I am honestly new to picking up girls with boyfriends.

TL;DR
Hit on chick with boyfriend, planted seed, waited for it to grow. Later she admits she has been obsessing over me, but can't get herself to go out with me while she has a boyfriend. Flirt with her a little more and break contact in hopes that next time she or I get in contact she will have taken care of this "boyfriend" problem.

I think the fact that you have her both on insta and facebook complicated things man. Keep things under the radar to avoid complications

I only have her on Facebook, her phone number, and see her in passing probably every other day. I don't know where you got the idea that I have her on IG and FB, sorry for any confusion. Would really like some advice on what to next because I am in uncharted waters. I've heard "women cheat emotionally before they do physically." and she is DEFINITELY cheating emotionally.

She also posted some post about how happy she is with her boyfriend but he is also untagged in all of her pics and they are not friends on FB so I am thinking she is taking care of the boyfriend for me. Just gonna put/leave her on the back burner for awhile and check back in a few weeks. The only bad thing is I don't know if I actually like this girl or not, just want to see what I can get away with.

(10-21-2018 01:17 PM)redbeard Wrote:  In one sentence, how would you describe "RVF Game?"

Flying to foreign countries and banging girls there because you can't get laid in the West.

(09-25-2018 07:08 PM)Eddie Winslow Wrote:  [quote='Eddie Winslow' pid='1856794' dateline='1537713934']

I had a bunch of others that I'm too lazy to type out, but goddamn. This weekend made me a believer in not only direct daygame, but those showboat guys on youtube who are pulling sober girls at 1pm on a Tuesday and banging them out 30 minutes later. That shit is 100% real.

I would recommend a bootcamp to people like me who were scared, but don't spend too, too much money. Most of the growth came from within myself.

Also, anyone who says that daygame has a poor ROI, or believes it is "the worst way to meet women" is a total clown. One of the following are true:

-you're a total pussy who has never made an effort to do an honest, straightforward approach.
-you aren't getting laid at all, period.

I'm 31, reasonably handsome, relatively fit, with very plain bro-ey clothing style. My leading is weak but and my rambling/banter is excellent. I'm on the shorter side of average and bald as fuck, for anyone who is wondering.

Regardless, if you are even somewhat serious about meeting girls for sex or an LTR, you are an idiot if you aren't trying to do this.

Your post gave me hope. Could you give us an update what happened after the bootcamp ended? I want to hear more about approaches you did.

I've had extreme AA my entire life but I've been blessed with decent looks. I'm probably a hard 7. I know most people here claim to be above average but I have received good feedback and been able to get a girl here and there. To be frank, if it wasn't for my looks I think I would have gotten zero action my entire life given how passive and shy I am. I need to stop the way I'm doing things.

To give you an idea how bad my AA is, I first heard about daygame 3-4 years ago and I have done exactly ZERO approaches.

What I really regret in my life is all the opportunities I gave away by not approaching. Even a good deal of girls giving me open signals that I should approach them but didn't. The girls I acted upon made it clear over a period of time that they were interested. Me being such a pussy has been an expensive mistake. I'm not even 30 so life is far from over.

I'm thinking about spending money on a bootcamp to help overcome AA. I've read mixed things about bootcamps, either people hated it or loved it.

The price is within my budget, I can easily afford it, it's a small sum if it actually works. The PUA company I'm thinking about is one of the respected ones so I assume they're not scammers.

Sent you a PM Uheck.

How do you guys switch to winter period when it comes to daygame?
It´s early dark, it´s cold, nobody stays outside longer than necessary, girls put a lot of layers on themself, generally mood is worse,....

(10-24-2018 12:46 PM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  How do you guys switch to winter period when it comes to daygame?
It´s early dark, it´s cold, nobody stays outside longer than necessary, girls put a lot of layers on themself, generally mood is worse,....

Get on those dating apps. It's cuffing season boys!

(10-24-2018 02:03 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 12:46 PM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  How do you guys switch to winter period when it comes to daygame?
It´s early dark, it´s cold, nobody stays outside longer than necessary, girls put a lot of layers on themself, generally mood is worse,....

Get on those dating apps. It's cuffing season boys!

I have always been on dating apps. But I started daygame on regular basis this summer and now I don´t want to "downgrade" and stick only to online game and nightgame.

I had to search for what is cuffing and that exact thing came on my mind, while I was cruising the street today.

(10-24-2018 12:46 PM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  How do you guys switch to winter period when it comes to daygame?
It´s early dark, it´s cold, nobody stays outside longer than necessary, girls put a lot of layers on themself, generally mood is worse,....

Move somewhere warm

(10-24-2018 12:46 PM)tomzestatlu Wrote:  How do you guys switch to winter period when it comes to daygame?
It´s early dark, it´s cold, nobody stays outside longer than necessary, girls put a lot of layers on themself, generally mood is worse,....

Maybe approach inside places, like grocery store, mall, shops, restaurants instead of on the street.

Haven't really been going out much lately, but I plan on making the most of Halloween weekend and go out Friday Saturday night.

I'm really hyped about my costume - I think I'm going to have my work cut out for me especially once I start fatality-ing the dance floor:

   

Will do a field report Saturday and Sunday mornings. shooting for a double flawless victory.