Post: #51

(05-18-2013 06:39 PM)ghostdog Wrote:  Lets face it, after 50 you won't be getting crazy pussy without a lot of money.
Then you have 20 years to be totally alone and watch your friends die one by one.
Every 18 year old you look at or hold the door for will think of you as that creepy old dude.
There will literally be nothing to live for at that age if you don't have children or grandchildren.

I somewhat agree with you. However we could substitute the nebulous concept of value for money. But for the most part, older guys are most likely to get the bulk of their value from money.

Which is why I'm working diligently decade after decade to become stupid rich. Along with my crew. I agree with you completely that this is an absolutely essential component of long term game, and warrants a great deal of daily attention.

Post: #52

(05-18-2013 07:33 PM)ghostdog Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 07:18 PM)cardguy Wrote:  I do appreciate kids - but I never have enough time to do all the interesting shit I want to do (I think having an interest in intellectual subjects helps in this regard). So - there is absolutely no way I will ever have kids. Of course - it will be interesting to hear from anyone who later changed their mind after being sure they never wanted to have kids...

How interesting can "things" be that they overpower your desire to have a kid?
People who are really into intellectual subjects get swallowed in them. They're eccentric and usually live strange lives. Same thing happens to artists. I can understand that.

This feminist dystopia would like you to spend your life watching Tv, playing video games, buying shit, maybe traveling, and having meaningless sex.

I'm not sure that I know what meaningless sex is.

Post: #53

I don't know about anyone else, but the reasons I got married are pretty simple:

1. Already had 1 kid together and had another bun in the oven. There's nothing more important to me than making sure both my boy and my girl get the best opportunity I can give, and I can't do much for them if I'm not around.
2. I didn't do any bullshit proposals or anything, but after a few years together, somewhere along the line it just became taken for granted that we were going to get married. By then it was just easier to go along with it than to resist.

I'm pretty happy with how it's worked out so far.

Post: #54

(05-18-2013 09:46 PM)LooTa Wrote:  I don't know about anyone else, but the reasons I got married are pretty simple:

1. Already had 1 kid together and had another bun in the oven. There's nothing more important to me than making sure both my boy and my girl get the best opportunity I can give, and I can't do much for them if I'm not around.
2. I didn't do any bullshit proposals or anything, but after a few years together, somewhere along the line it just became taken for granted that we were going to get married. By then it was just easier to go along with it than to resist.

I'm pretty happy with how it's worked out so far.

Sounds like you have good chemistry.

Post: #55

Men get married to start a family. Sounds tautological but it is not. Families are supposed to share intense loyalty, compassion, companionship, support, and cooperation especially while children are young. They don't all work out, and even the good ones often require personal sacrifice. Especially for men there's no urgent biological imperative to start a family.

The function of marriage in civilization was to restrain female hypergamy and male indiscretion. That's how society got stable, productive relationships. What individuals got was family (also respect and social status but mainly family).

Post: #56

Men get married to get screwed over!

Post: #57

I have no problem with the idea of having no children and aging out of the market for beautiful young women. A lot of brilliant men have written wonderful books over the centuries, as well as music. I'll read and listen, look at the sea and stars, drink single malt scotch, look after my health, and pursue such adventures as I can, which may be quieter and seem unimpressive to young folks, but will be no less gratifying to me. Perhaps if I'm lucky to reach my 90s or beyond, just the sunshine on my face will be enough.

Dust to dust my friends.

Post: #58

(05-18-2013 09:46 PM)LooTa Wrote:  I don't know about anyone else, but the reasons I got married are pretty simple:

1. Already had 1 kid together and had another bun in the oven. There's nothing more important to me than making sure both my boy and my girl get the best opportunity I can give, and I can't do much for them if I'm not around.
2. I didn't do any bullshit proposals or anything, but after a few years together, somewhere along the line it just became taken for granted that we were going to get married. By then it was just easier to go along with it than to resist.

I'm pretty happy with how it's worked out so far.

why are you on a game forum then? just curious

Post: #59

Sandwiches.

Post: #60

There are women out there who share your desire for romantic love.

A few years ago at my university’s library, I overheard a group of really pretty girls talking about how they didn’t like the idea of outliving their husbands, and would rather die first. It was heartwarming how adamant they sounded about it.

If love is delusional, find a sweet girl who is at least as deluded as you are. It’s worth spending the rest of your life pursuing.

Post: #61

In the past, marriage made a lot more sense. The way western culture is going now, I don't think it does. I was much more in favor of marriage before my ex-wife decided to divorce me.

Post: #62

Maybe you are right xsplat! I am 21 and I feel like I have the best time of my life in front of me, I am not sure how will I be when I reach 40, but I suppose it is a matter of waiting and seeing, I don't have that much of a paternal instinct, yet, but eventually I would like to have kids I suppose ^^

(05-18-2013 08:51 PM)xsplat Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 05:58 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I think that the concept of fucking around during 20's and 30's then marry at 40 to a 20 years younger girl from FSU or some area alike , to have kids and all that, at least to me it seems fairly attractive, this TAKING INTO ACCOUNT that you WANT to have kids.
Having kids is, for me, the only valid reason to getting married.

Lonely? Friends, dog, family!
Sex? Even less, go out, approach, if you can't heck, get a hooker!

How old are you now? My bet is that once you are forty you'll still feel very young. Too young to settle down for the very long term.

At least that's my Peter Pan experience at late forties.

Post: #63

Something which has been overlooked in this discussion is that the "marriage for love" concept has only been around for the last 150-200 years. Before this time men married women who would make good life partners, make good mothers and raise children, keep house and take on duties in the family business or on the farm. Women married men who would be good providers, fathers and shared similar beliefs and values. Both chose each other also as a way of merging families and extended family influence.

Even today many societies still use and for the most part prefer arranged marriages(not all mind you as a few TV documentaries and programs have shown), but for the most part they seem to think it generally works well for their societies.

I believe that in both senarios men and some women kept outside mistresses and lovers or sought the services of bordellos as an outlet for love(as we understand it) and passion.

Anyway something to consider........

Post: #64

(05-19-2013 03:01 AM)gamepadawan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 09:46 PM)LooTa Wrote:  I don't know about anyone else, but the reasons I got married are pretty simple:

1. Already had 1 kid together and had another bun in the oven. There's nothing more important to me than making sure both my boy and my girl get the best opportunity I can give, and I can't do much for them if I'm not around.
2. I didn't do any bullshit proposals or anything, but after a few years together, somewhere along the line it just became taken for granted that we were going to get married. By then it was just easier to go along with it than to resist.

I'm pretty happy with how it's worked out so far.

why are you on a game forum then? just curious

Having game is useful for much more than just picking up - I use principles of it to get ahead at work, to manage my wife and you never get sick of flirting for fun. Besides, there's more here than just game.

Post: #65

(05-18-2013 07:20 PM)ghostdog Wrote:  Cougars alone would not make life worth living for. They're decorated dead uteruses.
Age 30-50 you lose a lot of your friends when they get married off, so you can only be friends with players. How many old dudes in the clubs are cool people who you'd want to befriend like an RVF poster, and how many are total human waste?
I know that I will not make a lot of money during my life, because I'm into a minimalist lifestyle. At age 50 my looks will start to go and my game will only take me so far. I would need crazy money to get young women. At age 60 the reaper will circle my house patiently waiting. Any friends I have will surely start to die, and that's what life will be, just watching people die.

I've commented on this elsewhere, but everyone has different levels of predisposition to interpersonal bonding, or you could call it falling in love. In other words, some are happier seeing someone they know and already perceive as reliable and positive than someone who is an unknown.

I don't like about continuing to try to make new female contacts: infertile women are not sexually attractive to me but I am at an age 50+ where they are what I am "supposed" to go after in America as a non-millionaire non-celebrity. The older you get, the more each new person you meet is similar to someone you've already known. There aren't that many distinct types of people in the world.

Also, at least about 80% of people are basically unreliable, they waste incredible amounts of time as you try to engage in projects with them, they turn in poor or mediocre performance, and change their minds and back out when they see you want to associate with people who put real effort into things, whether it's bike rides, playing music, or making money.

So each new person you meet is on average a time waster unless they are pre-qualified. For instance, if someone is an attorney or surgeon, they have to some degree proven they are able to "keep at" something difficult, so if you form an alliance with them it is more likely to be productive. I don't really "hang out", I am almost always engaged in something with a goal, playing music, going on a bicycling adventure, trying to make money. So people I spend time with have to have some common interest. I don't sit around watching sports on TV, sitting in bars talking about the same things people talked about there every night for years...

Also, for myself, I am more comfortable having sex with someone I already know is a reliable and positive woman. If she's a drunk Playette, I don't see that as a real pleasurable experience because as a high-attachment person, I'll start to bond with her and want to see her more, which she will find unnerving as she wants low-attachment guys. Cool, detached, and into sex where the girl could be anybody inside, as long as she's beautiful on the outside. I understand the whole five-minutes-of-alpha theory, but attachment wiring is pretty hard-set, so I deal with the fact women want "cool" guys by simply trying to be as appealing as possible by improving myself and maximizing options.

All this would be academic if I could afford high-quality escorts, but the thought of getting addicted to some hot chick and blowing all my money on her icy attentions is terrifying to me.

Also if you are into much younger chicks it's a way to control her more, if you have a wife in the Philippines she can't get divorced, in EE she has less leverage to grab your USA assets, and as you get older there's less of your life left to ruin if she gets some angle to fuck you over. Important : "Keep them there and keep them hungry." as Asia vets say. Don't bring her back.

Post: #66

Roosh wrote a post about this, i think it went on to talk about how many women you need to sleep with in order to really understand what a woman wants.

I surpassed that number and went hard core red pill. I've slept with a fair bit of women and i personally don't mind the thought of settling down.

It's definitely out of laziness in not wanting to do pick up all of the time, but a part of me really wants to be a dad. A good one that i never had.

Honestly, banging a lot of women is a gift of youth. Do it up until you've had your fill. If it takes 5 or even 15 years whatever, just do it and get it out. It saddens me most people do the opposite, marry early, get pissed, divorce, and sleep around. My dad is doing that after his 2nd marriage and is pulling in 30 y/o broads. He's a doctor so you do the math.

He's quickly reaching the 25 notch mark and is starting to say, "I would kind of enjoy just having someone to hang with. "

It happens. I'd rather do it now when i'm young than at 60.

Post: #67

(05-19-2013 09:59 AM)frenchie Wrote:  Roosh wrote a post about this, i think it went on to talk about how many women you need to sleep with in order to really understand what a woman wants.

I surpassed that number and went hard core red pill. I've slept with a fair bit of women and i personally don't mind the thought of settling down.

It's definitely out of laziness in not wanting to do pick up all of the time, but a part of me really wants to be a dad. A good one that i never had.

Honestly, banging a lot of women is a gift of youth. Do it up until you've had your fill. If it takes 5 or even 15 years whatever, just do it and get it out. It saddens me most people do the opposite, marry early, get pissed, divorce, and sleep around. My dad is doing that after his 2nd marriage and is pulling in 30 y/o broads. He's a doctor so you do the math.

He's quickly reaching the 25 notch mark and is starting to say, "I would kind of enjoy just having someone to hang with. "

It happens. I'd rather do it now when i'm young than at 60.

Sounds like my dad.

Post: #68

There are two reasons people marry in my humble opinion:

A) Love: In love, you lose all rights. You give all with no conditions or expectation of a return because that's the nature of love. If you divorce and lose everything, don't complain. That's the price of love.

B) Business: In a business deal, the onus is on you to study the risk and enforcement mechanisms in place for other party. Western society (and increasingly Eastern society too) has made marriage a terrible deal for men by contantly encouraging women to cashin/tradeup. If you fail in business, you have only yourself to blame.

Post: #69

(05-18-2013 05:27 PM)Valentine Wrote:  Mainly because it's a deeply ingrained societal expectation to get married. Everyone from your parents to your girlfriend to your TV are all trying to steer you that way and most people rely on other's recommendations rather than doing a simple cost/benefit analysis.

Because of the confirmation bias as well, you fail to see all the guys getting chewed out by divorce.

The view is clear when your own father got chewed out by divorce. Not that I didn't know that shit happened in the first place, but when it's your old man it's puts things into perspective. Marriage is for suckers plain and simple.

Post: #70

Relationship duress mostly

Post: #71

(05-19-2013 11:01 AM)Dillon Wrote:  There are two reasons people marry in my humble opinion:

A) Love: In love, you lose all rights. You give all with no conditions or expectation of a return because that's the nature of love. If you divorce and lose everything, don't complain. That's the price of love.

B) Business: In a business deal, the onus is on you to study the risk and enforcement mechanisms in place for other party. Western society (and increasingly Eastern society too) has made marriage a terrible deal for men by contantly encouraging women to cashin/tradeup. If you fail in business, you have only yourself to blame.

The red pill got rid of my notions of love and so did and sort of hard science about love. When you find out what women really crave and want to fall in love with it sheds all of the illusions and fairytales of love.

Post: #72

(05-18-2013 06:56 PM)gamepadawan Wrote:  

(05-18-2013 06:47 PM)Gmac Wrote:  Not all women are like the ones guys like to criticize on here. If you find the right one, you'll know why men choose to get married.

no I think they are, one mans cum dumpster is another mans future wife

Not all girls are whores though. If my future wife has had 10 partners or less by the time I marry her, I would be content.

There have been some great points made. I definitely want to be married at some point in my life. Maybe not for a while but at some point. And one big reason that I would want to marry is so my girl could actually live and work in the states legally. Obviously that's not the sole reason I would do it. I would have to be with her a while and be in love with her. Even if I don't marry the girl I'm with now, I highly doubt I will be marrying and American girl.

Post: #73

(05-19-2013 03:20 PM)gamepadawan Wrote:  

(05-19-2013 11:01 AM)Dillon Wrote:  There are two reasons people marry in my humble opinion:

A) Love: In love, you lose all rights. You give all with no conditions or expectation of a return because that's the nature of love. If you divorce and lose everything, don't complain. That's the price of love.

B) Business: In a business deal, the onus is on you to study the risk and enforcement mechanisms in place for other party. Western society (and increasingly Eastern society too) has made marriage a terrible deal for men by contantly encouraging women to cashin/tradeup. If you fail in business, you have only yourself to blame.

The red pill got rid of my notions of love and so did and sort of hard science about love. When you find out what women really crave and want to fall in love with it sheds all of the illusions and fairytales of love.

That sounds depressing to me man. Sounds like you've had a sour batch of women in your life.

Post: #74

I'll chime in with a quick story. I have a 24 year old cousin named Jen. She was raised good in a two parent household, is educated, smart, vibrant, in shape and very cute, sweet natured, etc. Two months ago i went to her wedding and the look on her face when she got to the alter to marry her husband was priceless (she was ecstatic). She was a virgin (she's very Christian oriented and a leader of her churches youth group). A couple of weeks later i emailed her and asked how she has been and how was the honeymoon. She emailed me back with something along the lines of "i've been great. just finished cleaning house and now cooking a delicious dinner for my wonderful husband".

This is what 95% of American men are looking for.. This is what 95% of American men won't find. It's ingrained into mens minds to want to find a good companion to procreate with.. But a HUGE problem: finding a 5 percenter

Post: #75

(05-27-2013 09:25 PM)gqntexas Wrote:  I'll chime in with a quick story. I have a 24 year old cousin named Jen. She was raised good in a two parent household, is educated, smart, vibrant, in shape and very cute, sweet natured, etc. Two months ago i went to her wedding and the look on her face when she got to the alter to marry her husband was priceless (she was ecstatic). She was a virgin (she's very Christian oriented and a leader of her churches youth group). A couple of weeks later i emailed her and asked how she has been and how was the honeymoon. She emailed me back with something along the lines of "i've been great. just finished cleaning house and now cooking a delicious dinner for my wonderful husband".

This is what 95% of American men are looking for.. This is what 95% of American men won't find. It's ingrained into mens minds to want to find a good companion to procreate with.. But a HUGE problem: finding a 5 percenter

let's check back in twenty years and see what happens