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(05-02-2013 09:44 PM)Sabra Wrote:  Tiggaling, I hate to break it to you, but your father is Jewish. I meant to pull out, but your mother had her legs wrapped so tight around me that I didn't get out in time.

Now get back in mommy's basement and no more coming out until daddy says it's okay.

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Even though Tiggaling may be dead wrong - this kind of response does nothing to help push the discussion. You are doing the same thing that Red Haired feminist does to MRAs.

There are better ways to state your disagreement.

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(05-02-2013 06:58 PM)j r Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 06:31 PM)K Galt Wrote:  
Quote:All this study shows is that institutional investors hold most of the world's financial assets. Who are institutional investors? Insurance companies, pensions, retail mutual funds. These things are all in turn owned by normal everyday people. Sure, the rich have more financial assets than the poor, but if you're reading this chances are you have some equity in a personal investment account or 401K or insurance policy.

This is not conspiracy or control, this is what a diversified financial system looks like.

Good point. What the study fails to consider is that the real control resides in the Central Banking Systems, like the US Federal Reserve and the EU's Central Bank.

Those who own the Central Banks and call the shots on Monetary policies are the ones pulling the levers behind the curtain.

This isn't really true either. No one owns central banks. They are quasi-government agencies. In the United States, all the banks in a specific area technically "own" the regional Fed bank, but it's not ownership in any meaningful way. Basically, it means that they are obliged to keep a reserve balance at that branch of the Fed.

Monetary policy is set by the Federal Open Market Committee, which is composed of the seven Fed Governors (Bernanke and six others, who are civil servants) and five of the 12 regional Fed presidents.

The Fed is a private bank with a group of core shareholders like any other private firm -- good luck trying to find that list though aside from the member banks. In theory the USA Govt and the Treasury should be the largest/majority shareholders like any other Crown Corp like we call it in Canada. Evrey nation has had to move to a private central bank model, only about 3-4 have not with the last switching over was Libya after it was carpet bombed. Americans he little experience with true Govt corps in Canada it's quite common and you can tell the difference as the Govt is the controlling shareholder and all the internal matters of the corp are thrown into the public arena. The Fed participates in the public arena but it's internal matters are kept private.

Here is Ellen Brown on the subject:

[quote]Not Private and Not for Profit? The Fed’s website insists that it is not a private corporation, is not operated for profit, and is not funded by Congress. But is that true? The Federal Reserve was set up in 1913 as a “lender of last resort” to backstop bank runs, following a particularly bad bank panic in 1907. The Fed’s mandate was then and continues to be to keep the private banking system intact; and that means keeping intact the system’s most valuable asset, a monopoly on creating the national money supply. Except for coins, every dollar in circulation is now created privately as a debt to the Federal Reserve or the banking system it heads.4 The Fed’s website attempts to gloss over its role as chief defender and protector of this private banking club, but let’s take a closer look. The website states: * “The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation’s central banking system, are organized much like private corporations – possibly leading to some confusion about “ownership.” For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.” * “[The Federal Reserve] is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms.” * “The Federal Reserve’s income is derived primarily from the interest on U.S. government securities that it has acquired through open market operations. . . . After paying its expenses, the Federal Reserve turns the rest of its earnings over to the U.S. Treasury.”5 So let’s review: 1. The Fed is privately owned. Its shareholders are private banks. In fact, 100% of its shareholders are private banks. None of its stock is owned by the government. 2. The fact that the Fed does not get “appropriations” from Congress basically means that it gets its money from Congress without congressional approval, by engaging in “open market operations.” Here is how it works: When the government is short of funds, the Treasury issues bonds and delivers them to bond dealers, which auction them off. When the Fed wants to “expand the money supply” (create money), it steps in and buys bonds from these dealers with newly-issued dollars acquired by the Fed for the cost of writing them into an account on a computer screen. These maneuvers are called “open market operations” because the Fed buys the bonds on the “open market” from the bond dealers. The bonds then become the “reserves” that the banking establishment uses to back its loans. In another bit of sleight of hand known as “fractional reserve” lending, the same reserves are lent many times over, further expanding the money supply, generating interest for the banks with each loan. It was this money-creating process that prompted Wright Patman, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1960s, to call the Federal Reserve “a total money- making machine.” He wrote: “When the Federal Reserve writes a check for a government bond it does exactly what any bank does, it creates money, it created money purely and simply by writing a check.” 3. The Fed generates profits for its shareholders. The interest on bonds acquired with its newly-issued Federal Reserve Notes pays the Fed’s operating expenses plus a guaranteed 6% return to its banker shareholders. A mere 6% a year may not be considered a profit in the world of Wall Street high finance, but most businesses that manage to cover all their expenses and give their shareholders a guaranteed 6% return are considered “for profit” corporations. In addition to this guaranteed 6%, the banks will now be getting interest from the taxpayers on their “reserves.” The basic reserve requirement set by the Federal Reserve is 10%. The website of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York explains that as money is redeposited and relent throughout the banking system, this 10% held in “reserve” can be fanned into ten times that sum in loans; that is, $10,000 in reserves becomes $100,000 in loans. Federal Reserve Statistical Release H.8 puts the total “loans and leases in bank credit” as of September 24, 2008 at $7,049 billion. Ten percent of that is $700 billion. That means we the taxpayers will be paying interest to the banks on at least $700 billion annually – this so that the banks can retain the reserves to accumulate interest on ten times that sum in loans. The banks earn these returns from the taxpayers for the privilege of having the banks’ interests protected by an all-powerful independent private central bank, even when those interests may be opposed to the taxpayers’ — for example, when the banks use their special status as private money creators to fund speculative derivative schemes that threaten to collapse the U.S. economy. Among other special benefits, banks and other financial institutions (but not other corporations) can borrow at the low Fed funds rate of about 2%. They can then turn around and put this money into 30-year Treasury bonds at 4.5%, earning an immediate 2.5% from the taxpayers, just by virtue of their position as favored banks. A long list of banks (but not other corporations) is also now protected from the short selling that can crash the price of other stocks.[/qoute]

You can see recent accounts from this from the Canadian model. Our Bank of Canada used to be a quasi-Goverment corp in which the Govt had majority shares in the Bank and got money from using the Banks credit creation or by attaining profits from the Banks business with our large regular banks. But with Canada wanting to join the G7 one o he requirements is that we had to "privatize" our Central Bank and after that we switched to the same model America has in which he govt gets interest heavy loans vs issuing itself credit.

Think for a second for the richest people in earth. Whom have more wealth then the whole economic output of the earth. It's a ATM that keeps paying you once you have evrey nation state as a debtor to you. The current system makes no sense, as why would a nation lend itself it's own money with compound interest. Why would it lend itself something it sets the value of and essentially created at a loss to itself?

In regards to JFK he wanted to break The Fed monopoly, and draw down the military. He saw both as cancers to America long term as did Ike before him. LBJ came in and went the exact opposite way.
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Watch The Money Masters or the start of Zeitgeist:Addendum for further stuff about how fractional reserve banking etc works...it'll depress you once you realize you've been conditioned to be a wage slave.

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(05-03-2013 08:10 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 09:44 PM)Sabra Wrote:  Tiggaling, I hate to break it to you, but your father is Jewish. I meant to pull out, but your mother had her legs wrapped so tight around me that I didn't get out in time.

Now get back in mommy's basement and no more coming out until daddy says it's okay.

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Even though Tiggaling may be dead wrong - this kind of response does nothing to help push the discussion. You are doing the same thing that Red Haired feminist does to MRAs.

There are better ways to state your disagreement.

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No. The little bitch tiggaling stepped out of line (again), and I had to bitch slap him. A guy like that would never make a comment about my religion in real life, but on the internet he feels like he has immunity. He knows that in real life he'd get dropped. He needs to learn to keep his mouth shut.

You need to check yourself Wald. This jerkoff tiggaling makes racist comments about my religion, and you don't have anything to say. But I put him back in his place, as any man would do,and suddenly you feel the need to comment.
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My friend is one of those assholes who believes Sandy Hook was a democrat-backed operation that only wanted to push Obama's anti-gun stance, and believes the kids are still alive.

I do not subscribe to theories that are so far-fetched only for the purpose of starting up shit and have little substance to them except a 30 minute YouTube video piecing together absurd connections.

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Conspiracy theory entertainment before the Internet.

   

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RE: Does anyone think conspiracy theories are "crazy"?
Also, consider this. If you wanted to do something, and get away with it, you could make it *look* crazy so that either nobody would believe it, or people who did believe would *look* crazy to others for believing it.

A good case example of this, is that Oscar Acosta, the well known Los Angeles lawyer was known once to pour gasoline on a Judge's lawn and then set fire to it, all the while delivering a sermon on judicial misconduct. The judge never pressed any charges, as the story goes, because apparently the story was too far fetched for anyone to believe.

see also, "The Big Lie"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie
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I have this ding bat female friend on my facebook and she's always posting crazy conspiracy shit, here's her latest one:

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I used to listen to this radio program called Coast to Coast AM with George Noory, but had to stop listening to it because I was getting too paranoid, it's a really interesting show though: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

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I posted this once before - but it got lost in the shuffle since it wasn't in a 'conspiracy' related thread.

So - serious question for any 9/11 'truthers'. Does the following interview mean that the actor James Wood is part of the 9/11 cover-up?

It is an interview where James Woods talks about being on a flight before 9/11 where some of the hijackers were actually carrying out a 'dry run' and planning their attacks. Their behaviour was so suspicious that Woods asked to see the pilot and told him that he thought the plane was about to be hijacked.

Fascinating interview.



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(05-11-2013 07:09 AM)cardguy Wrote:  I posted this once before - but it got lost in the shuffle since it wasn't in a 'conspiracy' related thread.

So - serious question for any 9/11 'truthers'. Does the following interview mean that the actor James Wood is part of the 9/11 cover-up?

It is an interview where James Woods talks about being on a flight before 9/11 where some of the hijackers were actually carrying out a 'dry run' and planning their attacks. Their behaviour was so suspicious that Woods asked to see the pilot and told him that he thought the plane was about to be hijacked.

Fascinating interview.





Why should we care about a two bit actor and whether he was part of it? It's equivalent to asking where the bathwater went when the baby is missing.
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I think when you analyse any conspiracy - it is useful to consider the details at the edge of things.

So - the US planned a giant conspiracy. And then they decided to get James Woods involved as well? Maybe as a useful dupe?

Weird.

Details matter.
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(05-11-2013 09:03 AM)cardguy Wrote:  I think when you analyse any conspiracy - it is useful to consider the details at the edge of things.

So - the US planned a giant conspiracy. And then they decided to get James Woods involved as well? Maybe as a usful dupe?

Weird.

Details matter.

Possibly, or there really was a dry run. A dry run doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy. It's ultimately an irrelevant point because it doesn't tell us any useful information, in either scenario this could have occurred- which is why its a waste of time discussing the point.
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(05-03-2013 03:26 PM)Sabra Wrote:  
(05-03-2013 08:10 AM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  
(05-02-2013 09:44 PM)Sabra Wrote:  Tiggaling, I hate to break it to you, but your father is Jewish. I meant to pull out, but your mother had her legs wrapped so tight around me that I didn't get out in time.

Now get back in mommy's basement and no more coming out until daddy says it's okay.

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Even though Tiggaling may be dead wrong - this kind of response does nothing to help push the discussion. You are doing the same thing that Red Haired feminist does to MRAs.

There are better ways to state your disagreement.

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No. The little bitch tiggaling stepped out of line (again), and I had to bitch slap him. A guy like that would never make a comment about my religion in real life, but on the internet he feels like he has immunity. He knows that in real life he'd get dropped. He needs to learn to keep his mouth shut.

You need to check yourself Wald. This jerkoff tiggaling makes racist comments about my religion, and you don't have anything to say. But I put him back in his place, as any man would do,and suddenly you feel the need to comment.


Lolz at the idea of "bitch slapping" someone on the internet. "Look at me, I'm furiously typing- that'll show him!".

People need to chill the hell out and think rationally. If he's making a bunch of claims that offend you because you think they're insulting lies- then tell him to prove them. Getting in a name calling match doesn't resolve the issue, or prove the point. Demand the truth or state the truth, nothing shuts up a liar like the truth.

As honest, rational, and intelligent men- we should demand nothing less. Men here constantly criticize women for being catty, emotional, insulting, and irrational- the phrase "take care you do not become what you're fighting" comes to mind.
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Yeah - I hadn't thought of it like that, InfiniteFlowers...

Whether there was a conspiracy or not - they would still need to be some arabs on a plan plaaning an attack.

Also - I am not sure how giant a conspiracy it is. But - I think it is plausible that Flight 93 was shot down by the US air force in order to save lives on the ground. Indeed - this was the impression people had right after the events. But the story was quickly changed.

I don't think the US government were wrong to shoot the plane down - but it seems that they felt it would play better in the media if the people on the plane could be portrayed as heroes. There are alot of inconsistencies surrounding that story even to this day.

Another - minor conspiracy I buy into. Is that the planes were hijacked with guns, and not 'box cutters and plastic knives'. The reason the story was covered up was to protect the US government from being sued for hundreds of billions of dollars.

Pulitzer Prize winning journalist - Edway Jay Esptein discusses this on his site:

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid9.htm
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(05-11-2013 09:27 AM)cardguy Wrote:  Yeah - I hadn't thought of it like that, InfiniteFlowers...

Whether there was a conspiracy or not - they would still need to be some arabs on a plan plaaning an attack.

Also - I am not sure how giant a conspiracy it is. But - I think it is plausible that Flight 93 was shot down by the US air force in order to save lives on the ground. Indeed - this was the impression people had right after the events. But the story was quickly changed.

I don't think the US government were wrong to shoot the plane down - but it seems that they felt it would play better in the media if the people on the plane could be portrayed as heroes. There are alot of inconsistencies surrounding that story even to this day.

Another - minor conspiracy I buy into. Is that the planes were hijacked with guns, and not 'box cutters and plastic knives'. The reason the story was covered up was to protect the US government from being sued for hundreds of billions of dollars.

Pulitzer Prize winning journalist - Edway Jay Esptein discusses this on his site:

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid9.htm

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(05-11-2013 03:18 AM)scotian Wrote:  I have this ding bat female friend on my facebook and she's always posting crazy conspiracy shit, here's her latest one:

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I used to listen to this radio program called Coast to Coast AM with George Noory, but had to stop listening to it because I was getting too paranoid, it's a really interesting show though: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...house.html
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(05-02-2013 09:54 AM)cardguy Wrote:  What do you think of Alex Jones? Do you think he is nuts - or being paid well to play a 'role' almost like an actor or a wrestler.

Also - what about Webster Tarpley?

I love the Alex Jones show.

Big lulz at anyone who thinks powerful governmental interests don't conspire for their interest. Explaiin the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission.

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"The technocratic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continual surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personel information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities."- Zbigniew Brzezinski - "Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era" 1970

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." —David Rockefeller

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forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." -David Rockefeller

Of course the media and education have brainwashed most people into thinking conspiracy analysts are nuts because generally they are in on the conspiracy.
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I think there are very rational questions that need to be asked about 9/11 for those who believe it was a random organic event that unfolded as the government/media has us believe:

1. Why have there been zero major Al-qaida attacks within the United States since 9/11? If the alleged terrorists were so skilled at executing this attack, then surely they would have also had the foresight to plan subsequent attacks and likely execute them successfully. Does this not strike anyone else as being odd?

2. If Al-qaida is what it is proclaimed to be then why is the United States government working to aid Al-qaida in Libya and Syria?

3. If 9/11 was a random organic event then why did the United States invade Iraq?

4. Do you really believe Building 7 went down because of fire? If so, why did the BBC broadcast its demise while it was still standing?

We could go on and on all day about the nefarious works of those in power whether it relates to the sinister entry into World War I, the Oklahoma City bombing, Ruby Ridge etc.
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I KNOW duh gubmint did it, but I cain't do nuthin' about deh bildeburgers and cheeseburgers and all dem, so I just try to make a living and stay out of jail. I don't want to be messin' with no Bildeburgers and trilateralburgers. Dem boys is trouble.
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(05-11-2013 09:27 AM)cardguy Wrote:  Pulitzer Prize winning journalist - Edway Jay Esptein discusses this on his site:

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid9.htm

Regardless of differing views on conspiracies and history, that was a good link, I read the others on that site.
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I'm a staunch anti-authoritarian, and what I truly find crazy is the notion that a formal "conspiracy" is even necessary to deceive and lead people.
At the very most, subtle proverbial sleight of hand is all that is needed.

It's all right in front if you, literally. Media bias, special interest influence, central banking... Most people just don't give a fuck at the end of the day and don't want to rock the boat, plain and simple.
The emperor is naked and nobody gives a shit anyway, now more than ever on both accounts.

Another point that I diverge with conspiracy theorists on is that I don't see governments as these omnipotent monolithic influences that can pull off these grand deception campaigns. Governments (except maybe extreme despotic systems like fascism or communist dictatorships) are chronically incapable of keeping even trivial secrets or accomplishing ANYTHING in an efficient manner.
Even cloak and dagger organizations like the CIA and NSA are ultimately just sprawling stovepipes of bureaucratic red tape and incompetent contractors.

Maybe a more scary notion than some millennium-old cabal leading the world by puppet strings is that there truly isn't anyone in the drivers seat, and we are at the mercy of world leaders to do their best job at running things.
Personally I think a new world order conspiracy is practically a welcoming thought, in that perspective!
(This post was last modified: 07-16-2013 02:29 AM by Ziltoid.)
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