Post: #1

Quote: We analyticals would rather spend time alone with a good book or movie than with people. It’s not that we dislike people, per se. We just find them boring, uninspiring, and mundane. To the all seeing and all knowing analytical, the average person is like the emperor in the story “The Emperor’s New Clothes“– there’s nothing there. I mean, really, when was the last time you found someone who wanted to discuss the theory of relativity or the law of diminishing marginal returns?

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So what advice do you have for guys whose main problem is not fear of judgement or low self esteem but are simply just not that interested in talking to others?
I am witty, like to talk and share interests with people but most people are too boring and anyway that's not how you can attract a girl, plus my voice is not that deep/manly. How about building a James Bond-esque personality; more focus on body language etc rather than talking? Unfortunately there is no action to get the hormones running and accelerate the attraction.

Post: #2

What you're talking about is intro/extrovert personality types, not analytical. I know highly analytical guys that are mad funny and can hold down an entire group - aka extroverted. Note that both your sources used the word "thinker" in their descriptions, which is often a term used to describe the INTP personality type. Take a Myers-Briggs test and do some more research on your type. I fall into this personality classification and I understand what you're saying...and you should know that it'll be work to get out and game.

You need to ROUND OUT your knowledge - read the front page of several newpapers, read about music, travel, whatever. This way you can talk about shit to girls without bringing up complex subjects or philosophies.

Viewing other people as boring is starting off on the wrong foot. Expect that everyone can provide you with something interesting - it's how you receive it and respond to it that matters. "Oh you're dog ate your shoe today? Damn that's funny maybe he's a fashionista and doesn't like your style". See, no need to address "interesting" or complex conversation topics with a girl.

It's work for anyone, even a highly talkative, charismatic, extrovert to go out and cold approach girls night after night so for introverts it can feel like work. What I like to do is "turn on" the little bit of extrovert I have in me when I go out and it's usually accomplished by opening the first set. After that, it only gets better and usually by the end of the night I've temporarily become an extrovert.

Post: #3

for the longest time I thought I was "better" than everyone else because I was smarter. But fuck that, because I was (and am) unhappy as fuck. once you start going out and open your heart & soul you'll find that A LOT of people are really fucking happy going out and chit chatting with one another. Contrast that to your unhappiness or whatever it is that you want to call what's missing in you. You're not better than them. They know something you don't.

Post: #4

This is something I'm still working on. For me I started listening to a lot of comedians. Louis C.K., Bill Burr, Patrice, etc. are all really smart dudes who have a unique way of looking at the world that isn't so serious. When I interact with girls (or increasingly anybody) now I think about how absurd it is and that frees up my mind to stay in the moment and just roll with it.

Still though the quickest way for a guy to blow me out of a set is to ask me a physics question. On some level I'd still rather talk about physics than swoops girls.

Post: #5

Try to see the interaction as literally "playing the game" of seduction. Talking to girls isn't very interesting, but manipulating them is.

Post: #6

Thanks for your advice.

(03-11-2013 06:17 PM)guerrilla Wrote:  for the longest time I thought I was "better" than everyone else because I was smarter. But fuck that, because I was (and am) unhappy as fuck. once you start going out and open your heart & soul you'll find that A LOT of people are really fucking happy going out and chit chatting with one another. Contrast that to your unhappiness or whatever it is that you want to call what's missing in you. You're not better than them. They know something you don't.

This was especially humbling.
So do you think a James Bond-esque persona can work in day game? Less talk, more body language; I possess dark triad traits to some degree. I want to build my game with minimal talking.

Post: #7

No I don't think a James Bond personality works. Theres only one personality that works: you. The real you after peeling back all the layers that have stifled you so you become flowing fucking energy.

Post: #8

I thought the whole point of this community was to fuck pretty dumb bitches.
Who wants the nerdy astrophysics PhD chick?

Post: #9

This isn't about getting nerdy chicks, but about men who by nature don't like to socialize much (different from betas who can't approach even if they want to.)

Post: #10

Increase the quality of people that you communicate with. Are there people smarter you? The answer is probably yes. Find them, talk to them, surrond yourself with them.

It's your responsibility to find inspiration in the world. It is not the worlds responsibly to inspire you. You are responsible for your levels of boredom, inspiration, and sociability.

If you are really that smart then you know that humans can change themselves, we can re-wire our brain, we can change habits, etc.

If you want to change, do it. Make it happen.

You are so smart that you can't even relate to other people. Is that smart? I don't know..? Doesn't sound that smart to me? Just saying..

If you are that smart you should be able to devise a plan to attract women.

If you are really not interested in talking to others then don't. You don't have to. Keep to yourself. Don't be a social man. It's okay to be a quiet man. Join high IQ clubs, join genius clubs, join a chess club, join an astro-physics society. You don't have to be a playboy. You might be a happier as a scientist.

Live the life that makes you happy.

My main point is this:

If you are not happy with the people that you are talking to, talk to somebody different. Your social life is your responsibility. Your sex life is your responsibility. If you want change, you have to be willing to change.

For the record, I am a low IQ, working class playboy. But, I'm happy with my life. I'm not that smart, but I'm smart enough to figure out what makes me happy and how to go get it!

P.S. -- I used to have an analytical personality also.

I changed it by studying comedians:

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Post: #11

to me there are two main ways to be the anchor of the conversation. taking the role of the judge (talking less) or the entertainer (small talk).

1) being the judge [what you want] looks like this:

being the judge is about listening and giving approval/disapproval. when you talk you actually talk very little. you listen. you tell others to tell you this or that. you ask others for their opinions. you encourage others to talk more about something you like. basically you put yourself in the position of the judge who's interested in what others have to say and you just sit there (like jury) and listen while others talk and talk and talk to impress you.

beware cause it may fuck you up a bit hahaha. at one point this angle worked so well for me that i couldn't believe that i put so much effort to entertain girls with stories and funny shit to get their attention. i thought any kind of talking is useless since i can just say to a girl in very decisive/assertive tone of voice "hey!.. who are you?" (or anything that fits the frame) and sit there and listen to her talking and talking.

this is also very effective when you just don't feel like talking. you simply shut up, hold eye contact and ask engaging open ended questions. tension builds. people crack up fast. and start talking like crazy to lessen that tension in the air. from distance it looks like everybody strive to impress you. and you just watch listen and throw out short responses/questions to steer the conversation.


example:

- what do you think about xyz?
- blablabla blablabla...
- interesting, tell me more
- blablabla blablabla...
- aha
- blablabla blablabla...
- you know i don't think that way
- blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla...
- what made you think so?
- blablabla blablabla...
- and what do YOU think? [point at other person]
- blablabla blablabla...
- yeah i feel like it too
- blablabla blablabla...
- i guess we're on the same page then
- blablabla blablabla...
- no
- blablabla blablabla...
- yes
- blablabla blablabla..
- why?
- blablabla blablabla...
- no way!
- blablabla blablabla...

combine this type of talking with getting up in her grill + strong eye contact and you're golden.

Post: #12

Thanks. The Judge frame sounds great since I despise small talk ESP. the kind girls do. I've been interested in psychology for quite some time, I guess that could work as conversation topic though I'm guessing you can't talk red pill stuff with them, they're better off deluded (p.s. I'm from conservative country where lot of girls have unreal expectations from relationships.)

Post: #13

"Talking to girls isn't very interesting, but manipulating them is". <<< Love that line right there

Post: #14

"Talking to girls isn't very interesting, but manipulating them is". <<< Love that line right there

Post: #15

The obvious answer is not to over-analyze things.
More than analyzing what she says, look at what she does.
Check out the body language thread.

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Post: #16

This is one i've got quite a lot of expertise in because I was literally in your shoes seven years ago. If i really think about the steps there are a few basic steps to disengaging your logical brain from your reptilian brain and becoming better at simple conversing with women.

1. Stop Thinking About What to Say. This is a tough first step but is the basis of the future. Comment on the FIRST thing that comes to your mind like a child. Example: at the gym today "Pretty impressive you got your polkadot socks to match your entire gym outfit". Immediate positive response because I simply reacted immediately when crossing paths. I saw her check me out so it was a no brainer to immediate open with anything even if it was stupid. Girls don't care and she was likely more concerned I "caught her" looking.

2. Talk to everyone. This is a huge second step, open everyone around you in "fun chit chat" if its a girl then "flirty chit chat". Even if there is a 0% probability as an analytical person would measure in the interaction, who gives a shit just start chatting.
3. Temporarily rely on drinks. When you drink your blood flows to your brain heavily and this usually causes your logical side to become impaired. This is exactly why people can "black out" and not remember anything but be completely functional throughout the night (well intoxicated but still breathing you get the idea). After you have a few drinks tape yourself drunk, your body language will change 100x and this is why most people "do better" when they are drunk, it is simply because they have now shut down their analytical minds.
4. Ween off the drinks Now that you have a basis for how you "seem" when you're drunk, simply imitate this. I do a series of stretches, lifts and bump certain music to get into the right zone before going out to game. Eventually it slowly becomes more and more of your personality.
5. Stop running numbers. Most analytical people try to do tons of "math" example, if i make x it results in y, if xyz happens it will have this ## impact on me etc. The problem is running numbers engages your mind. (fun fact if you want to prevent blacking out have a friend ask you random math problems, you'll "brown out" back in.
6. Read a 3-5 comedy books. One of the most important things for someone with a very analytical mindset to do is to work on his "random observations" and "unrelated topics". Basically you need to be able to spit out stuff that makes no sense to girls just to make them laugh. One of the major overlaps between good true players is they have a TON of random catch phrases and sayings that seem to stick in your mind. This is exactly what you want, because if you come up with a cool saying and or fun interesting observation that's funny and catchy, they'll tell their friends and think about it themselves too.

The above steps is what i did to improve, i wish i knew to do this earlier but it was done over the course of a year or two. Should have been done in a few months.

Good luck and if you have questions feel free to PM.