Post: #26

(03-05-2013 02:07 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  I don't know where your stats are coming from, and frankly I don't care enough to spend the time to do a little cross research.

It's all CDC data, bro.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/health-disparities/race.htm

You can click on the little android icons to compare STD rates by race.

Asians have lowest STD rates.

You can do it by gender, too:

http://www.cdc.gov/std/health-disparities/gender.htm

Women have more STDs than men.

I'm honestly surprised this data is even out in the public.

Post: #27

Also, fat white girls that Black guys like to fuck are probably going to have higher herp rate if it's true what Mike says about the stats.

Post: #28

I'd wager that living for hundreds of years in the disease-ridden cesspool of Europe greatly strengthened their & their descendants' immune systems, as opposed to the relatively uncrowded and less diseased plains of the America & Africa. Some smallpox-like disease would be a possible culprit for why whites are relatively HIV-resistant.

Post: #29

I think a lot of clinics charge extra for herpes testing. You have to request it. I cant believe I tested negative for it after going raw in so many girls. Is it hard to get if the giel isnt having an outbreak during sex?

Post: #30

(03-05-2013 08:04 PM)houston Wrote:  I think a lot of clinics charge extra for herpes testing. You have to request it. I cant believe I tested negative for it after going raw in so many girls. Is it hard to get if the giel isnt having an outbreak during sex?

I know you cant get oral herpes unless you have a coldsore so my guess is some people get genital herpes because the girl has them on the inside of her but none visible on the outside.

I have 2 friends that have been together for 3 years and only the guy has genital herpes. He has never passed it to her because they are careful when he has an outbreak.

Post: #31

(03-05-2013 08:04 PM)houston Wrote:  I think a lot of clinics charge extra for herpes testing. You have to request it. I cant believe I tested negative for it after going raw in so many girls. Is it hard to get if the giel isnt having an outbreak during sex?

I was told by a doctor that the herpes blood test is highly unreliable and inaccurate and even a person who carries the virus only has a 10% chance of testing positive through a blood test. Now I am not a doctor, and I am not presenting this as fact, but this is what I was directly told by a doctor, and would explain why so many guys who claim they have been tested are coming up negative.

Post: #32

Lulz at thinking only holy clean white women are clean. These are the exact women whom will fuck the most random/high risk dudes. It's that sweet white girl from the burbs whom will go to the City to hang with dodgy drug dealers, shitty rappers, gutter dudes in general and fuck with them. What Men are rushing to bang the ratchet hood whores?, none.

I do agree it's a age thing. As whores get older they clock on more bangs and get more risky. Americans are their fetishism with race is laughable. The stars point more to Classism then raceism. I can bet my last dollar Asian American Women have the lowest rates simply because they are (majority wise) represented in the top general brackets of income/class. Your (insert race) girl whom is in college from a decent home, if young will most likely not be in that realm where she could be exposed to herp from those circles.

Post: #33

(03-05-2013 11:15 PM)kosko Wrote:  Lulz at thinking only holy clean white women are clean. These are the exact women whom will fuck the most random/high risk dudes. It's that sweet white girl from the burbs whom will go to the City to hang with dodgy drug dealers, shitty rappers, gutter dudes in general and fuck with them. What Men are rushing to bang the ratchet hood whores?, none.

This. Young girls love the bad boys and want to rebel against their parents. This girl I used to know said her guy friends from way back who were the dirtiest punks ever (would just get drunk all day and sleep in parks). Would bang adventure/bad-boy seeking highschool girls then brag about how they gave them herpes/crabs or whatever.

Post: #34

(03-05-2013 11:11 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  I was told by a doctor that the herpes blood test is highly unreliable and inaccurate and even a person who carries the virus only has a 10% chance of testing positive through a blood test.

Is there anyone here who can verify this? Personally I don't trust doctors because I've concluded that they really don't know shit. But I'm wondering if anyone knows for sure if the herpes test is unreliable?

Post: #35

I believe I read the number is one in seven white women have genital herpes. I wouldn't exactly call that safe.

It's also important to remember that like 80% of people with it are asymptomatic and don't even know they have it.

Post: #36

(03-05-2013 11:41 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I believe I read the number is one in seven white women have genital herpes. I wouldn't exactly call that safe.

It's also important to remember that like 80% of people with it are asymptomatic and don't even know they have it.

But if this is true doesn't it mean that there's generally nothing to worry about? If the worst symptoms are that you get outbreaks of herps, but the symptoms never appear, then it seems like ignorance is bliss.

When you're talking about carrying viral strains that cause warts, blisters, etc. but don't cause any other health problems, being an asymptomatic carrier shouldn't be anything to worry about.

Post: #37

(03-05-2013 11:38 PM)NoBalls Wrote:  

(03-05-2013 11:11 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  I was told by a doctor that the herpes blood test is highly unreliable and inaccurate and even a person who carries the virus only has a 10% chance of testing positive through a blood test.

Is there anyone here who can verify this? Personally I don't trust doctors because I've concluded that they really don't know shit. But I'm wondering if anyone knows for sure if the herpes test is unreliable?

The test is very inaccurate. It also has a high false positive rate. Most doctors will only give it to someone who's symptomatic. This is a disease that people only worry about because A) it involves gross dirty sex and B) pharma companies make a mint off of Valtrex. MMA fighters and wrestlers get herpes all the time on weird parts of their body (from the mats) and they don't even think about it. It's only when it shows up on their junk that people freak out.

Post: #38

(03-05-2013 11:11 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(03-05-2013 08:04 PM)houston Wrote:  I think a lot of clinics charge extra for herpes testing. You have to request it. I cant believe I tested negative for it after going raw in so many girls. Is it hard to get if the giel isnt having an outbreak during sex?

I was told by a doctor that the herpes blood test is highly unreliable and inaccurate and even a person who carries the virus only has a 10% chance of testing positive through a blood test. Now I am not a doctor, and I am not presenting this as fact, but this is what I was directly told by a doctor, and would explain why so many guys who claim they have been tested are coming up negative.

I had my dick swabbed when I had my rash, not a blood test. Ive heard you should go to the clinic as soon as you get an outbreak so they can swab you and look at everything.

Post: #39

OK, time to clear up some more misconceptions.

Yes, white and Asian women have lower rates of HSV-2 infection than black women. White women clock in around 11%, while black women are just under 50/50. Look at MikeCF's CDC data. When you average over the entire US population, you get 1 in 4. Women, by the way, have a greater prevalence of infection than men do because we have penises, which are covered in normal skin that doesn't tear easily, while they have vaginas, which are one continuous and large mucous membrane. Herpes likes to infect microscopic tears in the skin and mucous membranes - hence why it usually infects mouths, genitals, and in some cases eyes.

Most clinics will not give HSV-2 blood tests with the standard panel of STD screens. The standard panel is an HIV blood test, RPR (syphilis) blood test, and gonorrhea/chlamydia piss test. The latter used to be a urethral swab. You're welcome, younger men, that science has improved. The HSV test is not skipped because of inaccuracy, it's skipped because of cost and because HSV is so often asymptomatic but carries little actual health risk.

The herpes blood test is not inaccurate. Well, let me qualify that - the old IgM test is highly inaccurate, and will give false positives based on incorrect conflation. Blood antibodies as a result of HSV-1 infection will trigger a positive for 'herpes.' Most people have HSV-1. In other words, the test can't tell the difference between 1 and 2, and most people will get a positive result from it. The IgG test, on the other hand, tests specifically for each type. IgG tests are given as a number that corresponds to the level of HSV-2 antibodies in your blood. Under 0.9 is considered negative. 0.9-1.1 is a grey area. Over 1.1 is positive. The vast majority of people who seroconvert end up way above 1.1.

Sadly, a lot of doctors still don't know the difference between the tests, or understand the accuracy of the IgG. Also, blood tests are worthless until seroconversion, which should occur by three months after exposure.

Finally, swab tests are inaccurate and will give false negatives. They need to be done immediately after a blister appears, are 50/50 accurate at best during a primary outbreak, have to be done with a certain kind of swab to give an accurate reading (I admit I don't understand this, but a wooden-shaft swab has a higher false negative rate), and accuracy drops precipitously after a couple days of a primary outbreak or during recurrences. The test tries to culture HSV cells and stain them a certain color, so live virus particles still need to exist on the sore when they get swabbed. A lot of times, docs will both swab and scrape with a scalpel blade, to get a lot of skin cells on the slide in redundant tests to better ensure accuracy.

In sum,

Negative IgG test and you haven't fucked in 3 months - you're almost certainly HSV-2 free.
Negative blood test plus negative swab test - you most likely don't have HSV-2, although the possibility exists.
Negative blood test plus positive swab test - you just contracted HSV-2, and can probably ID the girl who infected you.
Positive IgG test - you've had HSV-2 for a while.
Positive IgG plus positive swab - you have it and she didn't give it to you, unless it was months ago.
Positive IgM - you wasted your money on the wrong blood test.

It is kind of hard to get HSV. Serodiscordant couples have a roughly 8-10% chance per year of infection MTF based on 3x/week raw dog and skipping during outbreaks, and half that FTM. Cut those numbers in half again for condom use and then in half again for valacyclovir suppressive therapy. That said, 4-5% per year gives you a 50/50 shot after a couple decades with the same woman, although at that point it's doubtful you'd care.

Full disclosure - I have HSV-1. So do you. I did not have HSV-2 the last time I got tested about 18 months ago; my IgG level was 0.11. I may have it now, although I haven't had any symptoms, I've been careful about who I fuck, and I'm in no rush to get tested. My uncle contracted it in the 70s and told me after he got over the stigma it didn't put a dent in his cocksmithing career even with telling every girl he banged. If you're worried about it, wrap it up and don't fuck American black chicks.

Post: #40

(03-05-2013 11:27 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

(03-05-2013 11:15 PM)kosko Wrote:  Lulz at thinking only holy clean white women are clean. These are the exact women whom will fuck the most random/high risk dudes. It's that sweet white girl from the burbs whom will go to the City to hang with dodgy drug dealers, shitty rappers, gutter dudes in general and fuck with them. What Men are rushing to bang the ratchet hood whores?, none.

This. Young girls love the bad boys and want to rebel against their parents. This girl I used to know said her guy friends from way back who were the dirtiest punks ever (would just get drunk all day and sleep in parks). Would bang adventure/bad-boy seeking highschool girls then brag about how they gave them herpes/crabs or whatever.

How does your theory relate to the data?

You did read the posted links, right?

Post: #41

... just to try to clear this up:

HSV-1 doesn't equal cold sore and
HSV-2 doesn't equal genital herpes

"cold sore" and "genital herpes" are skin manifestations of a systemic virus, or symptoms if you will. Either symptom can be caused by either virus. When tested for the specific virus genital herpes is indeed more often caused by HSV-2 and cold sores are more often caused by HSV-1. However when someone presents with either you cannot automatically conclude which virus they might have. And in practical terms, it doesn't actually matter. If you have a herpes manifestation you have herpes period, it's not going away. The treatment of HSV 1 and 2 is the same, testing for the specific virus is in the interest of public health officials but has no bearing on the individual patient.

Condoms and safer sex do not offer 100% protection from Herpes because during any sex your skin is in contact with hers. The fluid from burst bubbles is highly infectious. If your sexual partner has a burst bubble and you have a small scratch in that area, it's likely you will contract herpes. Your immune system can also just knock it down. If you have had an outbreak of genital herpes it's advised you always use condoms. Technically the combination of condoms with viricdal agent should increase the protection but how practical is that?

Someone mentioned stigma and that's pretty much all it amounts to: Herpes is not dangerous but people are afraid of it. If you have had 15+ sexual partners you had unprotected sex with or you've lived with people who had cold sores there is a fair chance you have herpes already (HSV-1). It's common decency to always wear a condom if you had had an outbreak of genital herpes in the past. If you have a cold sore or genital herpes outbreak don't go near newborn babies or highly pregnant women.

In regard to testing: Herpes testing is difficult because the virus is dormant in nerve cells and not in your bloodstream, therefore virus DNA cannot be identified in blood tests (apart from the worst case scenario when someone has a systemic herpes outbreak that their immune system cannot deal with). The mentioned antibody tests (IgX) can be confusing and inconclusive because of what they represent. Antibodies are not proof of virus, they show that your immune system has had a reaction to a virus/bacteria/etc. IgG are specific antibodies that show that your immune system has a memory of a specific virus, the virus can have been beat down, or your system is still fighting it, as for Herpes if you have a certain amount of IgGs against Herpes in your blood, it is likely you have Herpes. IgM are very unspecific first line of defence antibodies, IgM titers can be indicating for an infection but they are no proof. The problem interpreting antibodies titers is that IgG only first show up several weeks to months after someones immune system having been confronted with a infectious/allergic agent, where as IgMs spike much sooner. Are you confused yet? Antibody tests are actually indirect footprint tests rather than direct tests, they're open to interpretation and confuse doctors as well.

I appreciate people want to know if they have herpes or not, but in medical practical and also ethical terms a test (and it's cost) is only justified if the outcome of the test has an influence on how we proceed. If a healthy person asks me to test them for Herpes, if the test comes back positive does that lead me to treat him? No. Everyone should be practising safer sex already so all I will do is tell them that. If they have an outbreak it's usually self limiting, if they are in severe pain the antiviral therapy is available.

So if you've never had a herpes outbreak, it's reasonable to assume you don't have herpes. If you're with someone who has an outbreak, don't fuck or kiss them. If you have had an outbreak in the past, use condoms always, and don't have sex or kiss people when you currently have a cold sore or genital herpes.

Post: #42

If she has genital herpes, and is asymptomatic/not having an outbreak, there is no way she can possibly give it to you, correct?

Would any of us fuck a chick with open sores on her pussy?

If it cannot be transmitted save during an outbreak, and, per the swab test information above, it is less likely to be as contagious during the later stages of an outbreak, then, despite its theoretical prevalence, is there any wonder why few guys actually seem to have it? Penile anatomy makes it less likely that a guy will get it, the odds are somewhat against the girl having it anyway, and even if she does have it, the odds she is at that time having an outbreak (and willing to hook up with guys during said outbreak) are pretty slim.

Conclusion: don't shore prostitutes, who make a living from their snatch and will therefore be less inclined to take a break for a few weeks if they get sores, and give girls a quick glance for the general health of their pussy before sticking it in, and herpes should be even more of a non-issue than it already is. Once again, this STD appears to be a case of fearmongers in the media making much ado about nothing.

Post: #43

I've had my blood tested and I've come back negative on everything.

I mostly bang girls in the 18-21 range. Like MikeMF points out, I know I'm safe to raw dog in this bracket. I also get girls you wouldn't even believe are capable of having one night stands.

Post: #44

No, that is unfortunately not correct. As far as I remember you can get herpes through skin contact without visible sores being present. Also sores don't have to be located exactly on the genitalia. There's a chance you just won't see them or she won't know about them either. I wouldn't know for sure but I doubt anyone has actually researched the likelyhood of transmission while not having an outbreak because of the limitations of the disease. Common sense suggests the risk of contracting is higher in the presence of a sore but not limited to it. Also the term STD is actually quite misleading when it comes to herpes because sexual contact/exchange of body fluids doesn't have to take place for someone to contract herpes. The virus doesn't have to ascend through your penis, it also just breaches the skin barrier through a tiny scratch or cut (which aren't uncommon especially after shaving pubes).

That being said, I'm no dermatologist and STDs aren't something I deal with in my clinical daily practice so for the very latest you're going to have to ask a dermatologist or whoever deals with STDs in your country.

In regard to STDs herpes shouldn't be a major concern, if it is, you're going to have to give up casual sex and frequently changing partners, even if you're using the safest protection available. If you frequently change sexual partners you are running a certain risk of contracting herpes which again itself is harmless to healthy young adults. My advice would be stop fretting over herpes.

What you should be concerned about is obviously HIV, syphilis (can be very harmful in the long run), chlamydia (can lead to infertility in women) and gonnorhea (severe consequences are rare but not unheard of). Those can make you and others very ill.

Most STDs result in worse consequences for females rather than males due to their anatomy but in the interest of us all you don't want to go around spreading STDs. Needless to say if you do contract an STD be responsible and look out for others.

Post: #45

Why should I fear HIV which is nearly impossible for a strait male to catch or Chlamdiya that is easy peasy to cure?

People are dropping a lot of info but that part posted above does not make sense to me? Why should I not fear a life long ailment over some bacteria I can get cleaned up quickly?

Post: #46

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Well, in the case of herpes the life long ailment at most causes you an skin affliction that is painful and takes a week or two to clear up. Maybe you'll have to get a creme or some tablets that will set you back 15 bucks per dose.

Bit dumbfounded by your perception of HIV. How do you think 15% of africa contracted HIV? Are they all gay? All women? vertical transmission (mother to child)? You can get HIV from hetero sex, most people have. And you can't tell if someone has HIV by looking at them. Once you have HIV you're going to be eating 10-12 pills a day. Maybe you'll be fine, maybe they'll cause you massive headaches and dizzyness, maybe the fat distribution of your body changes and your face becomes really chubby and bloated and your arms look anorexic. ART therapy sets back your healthcare insurance by 10-15k a year.

Uncomplicated chlamydia can indeed can be treated with antibiotics. The person prescribing them though will hassle you to bring in your sexual partners for treatment. Maybe you're one of those 10% guys who don't have a simple infection but a very painful inflammation of the prostate (prostatitis) or epididymides. Noteworthy is also that chlamydia eye infections are a major contributor to permanent blindness in the third world (mother to child). Chlamydia infections go often unnoticed in women and the ascending infection can lead to adhering of a womans tube with subsequent infertility. Even if you're personally untroubled by having it, you don't want to be spreading it. The potential consequences of chlamydia are far more grave than those of herpes.

Syphilis as well can be easily treated with penicillin but in most countries healthcare provider are compelled to report cases of syphilis to the CDC equivalent sometimes along with the patients name, where I am this is also the case for Hepatitis B and C. I don't know what happens with that information, I presume it's kept under lock and seal but who knows eh? Whenever syphilis reemerges doctors are quick to detect it but when it's not in fashion it's frequently missed and once you've had syphilis for a few years the consequences are severe and irreparable.

The clap: can also easily be treated with antibiotics, however, when untreated, like any bacteria it can cause sepsis (killing you), rheumatic fever (leaving you in need of a heart valve replacement, that's open heart surgery for you) or cause an immune reaction in your joints (fucking up your knee, possibly for good) or kidneys (to a point of renal failure, sometimes requiring a transplant). Undetected/untreated gonorrhea can also make both men and women infertile, if you ever want kids you'll be going down the route of IVF and paying through your teeth.

In short, the consequences of herpes are insignificant in everyone but newborn infants and people with weakened immune systems, all the other STDs have potentially catastrophic consequences.

Post: #47

I posted this a few months ago, and will post it again to dispel some of the bullshit I've read thus far.

Like 95% of the adult population I have HSV-1 (i.e. cold sores, genital herpes is HSV-2) on my mouth. You can get HSV-1 on your dick just like you can get HSV-2 around your mouth.

HSV-1 is usually one large sore and HSV-2 is usually a series of smaller sores. HSV-1 is less aggressive in terms of the frequency of outbreaks but since the sore is larger and more damaging when it happens, it takes longer for it to heal. HSV-2 is more aggressive in terms of frequency, but the multiple sores are smaller in size, do less damage when they form, and heal much faster.

I got my first cold sore when I was about 19. I've had only about 6 or 7. I'll be 36 in a few weeks. The longest period I went without a cold sore was about 5 or 6 years. In contrast, people with HSV-2 usually have 1-2 outbreaks each year. Many people have an outbreak every 3-4 months.

FWIW, I read up extensively on this topic about 6 years ago when I thought I got genital herpes. Fortunately I only had what I call "gay staph" (I call it that after "gay cancer" which is what they sometimes called HIV/AIDS 30 years ago). Gay staph is a staph infection of the skin that is common among people who have sex with multiple partners. It's quite common in the porn (straight porn) industry. It just looks like zits that pop up all over your body and I wound up getting a concentration of them around my dick. Fortunately a week of antibiotics fixed that. Also fortunate that my father is a physician (who will give me antibiotics without doing the exam if I tell him I'm pissing fire.)

I'll take my current predicament. I can tell when one is about to happen. It always happens in the exact same place. The area on my lip starts to itch a little and gets slightly firm feeling. If I catch it at that point, I keep a stash of Valtrex, and immediately take 1 gram. I take another gram 6-12 hours later. Then I take another gram 24 hours later, and at that point, it tends to settle down. I'll cut the dosage back to 500mg/24hours for another day or two. If you catch it early enough before the formation of the sore does the damage it can clear out in under a week. And when it does, I know it will be gone for a few more years.

The viruses that cause either condition are kind of neat. The mechanism of drugs like Famvir and Valtrex are also pretty cool as well. The virus travels along nerve paths. The reason why cold sores cause pain is because they form at or near nerve endings, and it's almost like the virus is drilling a hole from the inside of your lip and moving outward. It's also an opportunistic virus. Your body develops antibodies to keep it under control. But if you become immunocompromised from a cold (hence the term cold sore), flu, or prolonged exhaustion, you'll get one.

When you are having an outbreak, you are having symptomatic viral shedding. This is when you're most contagious. On a cold sore, this shedding starts right before you notice the first signs, and usually ends within 48 hours. That's why it's critical to pound Valtrex immediately when you notice symptoms. Genital herpes HSV-2 follows a similar pattern, but I think a shorter period of viral shedding. Once the viral shedding stops, there's no need to continue taking the medication. Asymptomatic viral shedding is theoretically how every ho gets genital herpes, because none will ever admit that they eagerly jumped on a sore covered alpha cock (rationalization hamster says "those are just pleasure bumps.")

Famvir (Famciclovir) and Valtrex (Valacyclovir) are revised forms of Acyclovir which has been around for decades. Acyclovir has shitty absorption. Famvir has decent absorption, but what does get in works very well. Valtrex has excellent absorption and through some chemical mechanism "converts" into Famvir after absorption. Valtrex is the fucking bomb because it can stop an outbreak in its tracks if you catch it early enough.

Also keep in mind that there are several other viruses in the Herpes family:
1. Chickenpox is known as the Varicella zoster virus (HHV-3)
2. Shingles is called Herpes Zoster. Valtrex is the primary treatment for it. (And you've got to take a ton of the shit for shingles)
3. Mono has two names: Epstein Barr, and (HHV-4)

There's increasing speculation that the virus that causes Bell's Palsy is related to zoster virus or Epstein Barr, although anti-viral drugs don't seem to work on it.

If you see a lizard with multiple small sores around her mouth, just remind yourself that she got it from sucking dick.

And let's make this crystal clear. YOU CAN'T CURE THE SHIT. Don't preach about natural medicine curing herpes or any other viral issues. That's bullshit. The reason your outbreak cleared up after you let some fag squirt 12 gallons of coffee and peanut butter up your asshole is because your immune system suppressed the virus. It had nothing to do with the indignity you endured at the hands of a strange man.

Post: #48

Just one addition to that

Mononucleosis, also called glandular fever or "kissing disease" is a disease not a virus. As Porsche says it is most commonly caused by HHV-4. the Epstein Barr Virus, which is actually not that contagious, it can only be contracted by salliva (hence kissing disease). Pretty much everyone is exposed to EBV but only about 1/5 people actually get it, mostly people put it down as having a bit of a flu, some people get very fatigue and can actually feel quite ill for a prolongued time.

Mononucleosis can also be caused by the cytomegalovirus (CMV) which is another type of Herpes virus. CMV is transmitted by all body fluids. It is said to be more infectious than EBV but an infection goes unnoticed in most people (feeling under the weather for a couple of days?), test for antibodies have shown that 95% of people have come in contact with CMV. CMV can however cause more severe complications than EBV, especially in very young infants and like with so many other viruses in people with immune deficiancy (like people who already have HIV).

For either virus there's no causal treatment. It's not the actual virus that is making you feel shit, it's your immunesystem reacting to it. You just have to stick it out. The most common symptoms are fatigue and swollen neck glands.

If you're a healthy adult you've probably already had CMV and have come into contact with EBV without it ever infecting you. They're not an STD concern.

Post: #49

herpes cant be cured because the virus lives in and multiplies in the nervous system and the immune.system does not often go poking there for good reason.

Post: #50