Post: #201

There is no fun in me leading someone somewhere, it would not live up to your expectations. The fun comes from taking a trolleybus to the micro regions and entering a bar not knowing what awaits you inside. Like recently my buddie and I entered this bar in the suburbs that looked nothing from the outside, just a regular bar like a million others. It was a Sunday night and when we opened the doors we were hit by noise from the speakers. The room was packed with people dancing and drinking. When we left I had to ask myself if I'd imagined it because it was so random and unexpected, to me at least, he's a Ukraine pro so was probably normal to him.

The point is people know they need to get away from the Kreschatik but they usually take a ten minute walk down Volodormirski Vulitsa and think they have gotten away from the centre. I'm suggesting you go to those scary looking apartment complexes you see on the way to the airport, the real suburbs away from the neon. What you find is that they aren't scary at all and they have a whole host of places catering to the local residents, bars, clubs, restaurants, shopping centers. The fun and excitement comes from finding those places. But that's just me, another dude might ask why da fuck would you travel 10,000 miles from home just to hit the Soviet Suburbs? I think that's a fair question. Also with zero Russian/Ukrainian it will be tougher as language levels drop no doubt ( not confirmed ).

Each to their own but f you're looking for a decent woman for a relationship I'd rather look in the suburbs than Buddha Bar.

Post: #202

The key to finding something happening in clubs/bars outside of the main drag in Ukraine is to research the social networks, you could have a great time at a club one one night at some student club in the 'burbs, then the next day it could be dead because you're not in the know.

No tourist players in Kiev for a couple of days are going to chance strolling around when it's minus -20 hoping to happen upon some little bar where there may be some party, they want to go to the clubs where there will be the most people. It's the same when I go to a new city, I might ask the hostel staff "Where is going to be busy tonight?"

If you're keen to find places in the Suburbs then what's the point in going to Kiev at all?, go to Dnipropetrovsk or somewhere where there are almost zero tourists.

Now, if you have a lot more time, then you can afford to do some looking around. Ideally you should pipeline before you trip on VK or something like that, talk to some students girls and ask what places they go to.

As for finding "bars that people go to after work", it's mostly only men that go to these places, and they are pretty grim, guy sitting around together drinking and smoking. You are better looking for bars where students go to after finishing University.

Most of the Universities are in the centre of Kiev, you could try for example the University of Linguistics as most girls seem to be studying languages in Ukraine(or economics). There will undoubtably be some cheap eateries and bars around there.

So yes, by all means try and find somewhere off the main drag, but do your research first.

Post: #203

Yeah not if you only have a few days that's for sure. I'm kind of aiming my comments at longer term guys, say people with a month or so. I don't really know if it's worth hitting anywhere but Kiev with much less time with that in all honesty. Sure SNL happen in Ukraine but not as regular as in our own countries. If I had a month in the country I'd be able to multiple date say two new girls a week quite easily I think, if that was my aim. By the end of that month I'd have a little rotation built up. I don't have the inclination or energy for that though and would rather date one girl at a time until I found one I liked enough to LTR for a period of time.

Post: #204

Hi! I arrived last weekend in Kiev. I'm with my wing. We went to Shooters on Thursday and Saturday. Deluxe. Decadence was closed the whole weekend. No F-close except for one repeat fro August. Is there anyone in town from the forum who wants to sarge?

Post: #205

(01-13-2014 07:41 PM)Humanist-Twins Wrote:  Hi! I arrived last weekend in Kiev. I'm with my wing. We went to Shooters on Thursday and Saturday. Deluxe. Decadence was closed the whole weekend. No F-close except for one repeat fro August. Is there anyone in town from the forum who wants to sarge?

Last week was Orthodox Christmas, I am surprised you'd go to Ukraine at this time of the year! Everyone is spending time with families and with the freezing cold over there and revolutionary atmosphere is anyone even going out (except for the Turkish "tourists")?

Post: #206

(01-13-2014 09:11 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

(01-13-2014 07:41 PM)Humanist-Twins Wrote:  Hi! I arrived last weekend in Kiev. I'm with my wing. We went to Shooters on Thursday and Saturday. Deluxe. Decadence was closed the whole weekend. No F-close except for one repeat fro August. Is there anyone in town from the forum who wants to sarge?

Last week was Orthodox Christmas, I am surprised you'd go to Ukraine at this time of the year! Everyone is spending time with families and with the freezing cold over there and revolutionary atmosphere is anyone even going out (except for the Turkish "tourists")?

Way off.

Ukraine is GREAT at this time of year, many people take the whole month off to party.

Also it's not too cold at all, and how is having 1000's of cute student protesters on the streets a bad thing?

Post: #207

(01-13-2014 07:41 PM)Humanist-Twins Wrote:  Hi! I arrived last weekend in Kiev. I'm with my wing. We went to Shooters on Thursday and Saturday. Deluxe. Decadence was closed the whole weekend. No F-close except for one repeat fro August. Is there anyone in town from the forum who wants to sarge?

How about some more details ? I'm especially interested in knowing the club ratio's you saw ?

I found Winter despite the cold had way more girls in the clubs then the Summer/ Fall when it seemed more like a 50/50.

Post: #208

The best times to visit Ukraine are September-November, January, and May-June.

The worst time is LENT, the run up to Easter, especially in Western Ukraine.

Post: #209

^why January?

Post: #210

(01-14-2014 12:11 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  ^why January?

Orthodox Xmas and New Year, many people take the whole month off to have fun. Thus December is quiet because they are saving their money

Post: #211

Kiev protest action

Post: #212

This is live coverage, people are getting fucked up as we speak

Post: #213

Anyone been to Ukraine since?

Post: #214

(10-06-2014 02:55 PM)Ramacher Wrote:  Anyone been to Ukraine since?

I put a little note until the Ukraine thread about Kiev.

Post: #215

Kiev - Day one - Monday night

I arrived to my apt on Kreshchatyk street around 6 pm. Got a huge one bedroom apt for $55 a night on airbnb. The asking price was $70/night I think but there are many properties available so many of the places were willing to deal. It is a big place, pimp even, the key will be getting a chick back to the pad, not a sure thing since I am still learning EE game. In the USA, I find it easy to obtain the tuna taco, since I am one of those hated 1%'ers, but adjusting my game to EE/FSU has been a challenge. It is a perversity - I find that american women (18-28) will give up the holy grail easy if you make bank. You would think that EE/FSU girls, who are EVEN POORER and WITH LESS PROSPECTS, would be even more willing to ride the white horse, but I found that sadly NOT to be the case. I am still trying to find out why, and what I must do to adjust my game - like I said, it is a work in progress.

So where was I? Oh year, checked in apt. I only started pipelining one week prior, but the results have been tremendous. I have 6 days in Kiev, and could easily triple book every day. I am not even sure who I should be booking. I was in Poland for a week before this, and the differences are like night and day. In Poland, I got a few nibbles off the net. One 19 year old college girl who went psycho on me after one date (more on that later - it will be a new thread). In Kiev, I am getting over 50% response rates from the women. 90% of the girls under 32. Online I am 39 (although I am older than that, I can pull off 30s easily). I think my flake rate will be less than 5% - less girls are hungry and are pursuing me stronger than I am pursuing them.

Mondays are not known for busy nightlife in Kiev, and tonight was no exception. I went to Vodka bar from 11-12:30. Two sets of 2s, one working girl, and 3-5 guys. I opened one of the 2-girl sets up by asking her to help me get onto Vodka Bar WiFi. This allows me to ID myself as american. Unfortunately, like my last time of Kiev one month ago, her english was minimal. She was 23 and we couldn't even carry on a conversation. I decide to blow her off, mostly out of frustration, and secondly to see her reaction.

It was nice to see her try to re-engage me several times: come up to me, ask me questions, try to conversate. She was a 7, and her friend was a 7.5, and to be honest, I was just hoping for a 3 way but I learned the other girl had to work in the morning so I didn't expect it to happen.

I tried to salvage the night at 12:30 and went up to Arena. The place was completely dead. I would have been happy just to chat up some hooker to kill some time, but I didn't even see them around. It wasn't a total loss though - the McDonalds in the middle of Kreshchatyk St has a 24 hour window and I softened the blow of a busted night as I softened my belly. I did see 3 couples at McD's. The girls were 6-7's, the guys were 4s at best. I still can't figure out Ukrainian chicks. Its like, an ugly dick is better than dick, or, as I think is more likely, the average ukranian chick is dumber than they are given credit for.

Well, I will see how Tues treats me. Unfortunately a lot of the girls I have pipelined have good jobs, so doing an early evening date and a late evening date will be hard to do. All the girls are jockeying for that evening slot. Any suggestions? I am trying to schedule a lunch date with the professional girls but they all want that early evening dinner slot.

I jumped on Tinder at 1130 at the bar - response rate was great considering the hour. I chatted up 6 girls on Tinder while I was at Vodka bar. The response rate blew away the response rate I got in Krakow Poland. I am using Tinder just to see if I can find a girl who want to get laid that night, I really don't have time for anything else, but hope springs eternal.

Post: #216

What are you using to pipeline besides Tinder?

Post: #217

ohionukes, response rate and phone number harvesting both online and on day/night game are great in Kiev, even from 7 and 8, the challenge at least for me was how to convert the numbers to dates and how to convert dates to bangs.
So when just arriving to the city you are overwhelmed by this and the beauty and feel this could be pussy paradise while eventually amount of bangs will probably be low and require a lot of work.
I would be happy to hear how is it for you there.

Post: #218

(11-03-2014 07:24 PM)ohionukes Wrote:  the average ukranian chick is dumber than they are given credit for.

This about sums it all up. LOL

Anymore contact with the potential hot baby mama from last time ? Maybe she is back with the Turkish guy.

Post: #219

(11-04-2014 02:47 PM)diego69 Wrote:  ohionukes, response rate and phone number harvesting both online and on day/night game are great in Kiev, even from 7 and 8, the challenge at least for me was how to convert the numbers to dates and how to convert dates to bangs.
So when just arriving to the city you are overwhelmed by this and the beauty and feel this could be pussy paradise while eventually amount of bangs will probably be low and require a lot of work.
I would be happy to hear how is it for you there.

My problem is time. If I lived here for a month or more, I would be swimming in bangs. Right now, I can easily convert 90-95% of the girls into dates. I find that some of them are getting very pushy (when are we meeting, why haven't you texted, etc). One girl actually got mad we didn't meet the first day I was here, and told me good luck with whomever I meet. Then a minute later wrote me back asking me if she can see me tomorrow. This is my 5th time to Kiev and I have NEVER seen the women here so aggressively wanting to go out on a date.

Post: #220

(11-04-2014 04:57 PM)ohionukes Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:47 PM)diego69 Wrote:  ohionukes, response rate and phone number harvesting both online and on day/night game are great in Kiev, even from 7 and 8, the challenge at least for me was how to convert the numbers to dates and how to convert dates to bangs.
So when just arriving to the city you are overwhelmed by this and the beauty and feel this could be pussy paradise while eventually amount of bangs will probably be low and require a lot of work.
I would be happy to hear how is it for you there.

My problem is time. If I lived here for a month or more, I would be swimming in bangs. Right now, I can easily convert 90-95% of the girls into dates. I find that some of them are getting very pushy (when are we meeting, why haven't you texted, etc). One girl actually got mad we didn't meet the first day I was here, and told me good luck with whomever I meet. Then a minute later wrote me back asking me if she can see me tomorrow. This is my 5th time to Kiev and I have NEVER seen the women here so aggressively wanting to go out on a date.

90-95% is off the chart in any country.

How are you meeting these girls? What is their level of attractiveness ?

Post: #221

(11-04-2014 06:55 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 04:57 PM)ohionukes Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:47 PM)diego69 Wrote:  ohionukes, response rate and phone number harvesting both online and on day/night game are great in Kiev, even from 7 and 8, the challenge at least for me was how to convert the numbers to dates and how to convert dates to bangs.
So when just arriving to the city you are overwhelmed by this and the beauty and feel this could be pussy paradise while eventually amount of bangs will probably be low and require a lot of work.
I would be happy to hear how is it for you there.

My problem is time. If I lived here for a month or more, I would be swimming in bangs. Right now, I can easily convert 90-95% of the girls into dates. I find that some of them are getting very pushy (when are we meeting, why haven't you texted, etc). One girl actually got mad we didn't meet the first day I was here, and told me good luck with whomever I meet. Then a minute later wrote me back asking me if she can see me tomorrow. This is my 5th time to Kiev and I have NEVER seen the women here so aggressively wanting to go out on a date.

90-95% is off the chart in any country.

How are you meeting these girls? What is their level of attractiveness ?

Yes, not just meeting them, they are the ones hungry for the meetup. The economy right now is really poor. Despite the recent spike in patriotism, I find that the educated girls know they need to jump ship now. The stupid girls? They are still getting pumped and dumped by the locals guys left and riight. My dates are 7-9, average is an 8.5. I am surprised as anybody, I can't believe the change in environment. The educated attractive women want to get the fuck out of Ukraine as fast as possible. I predict once this current wave of girls emigrates, the response rate will drop significantly.

Post: #222

ohionukes, I did not see this phenomenon of hungriness - maybe hungry for dinners on my account even by 8+ girls, but not desperate to leave the country and for sure not easy to bang.
I assume for a month+ time you can multi date many girls in parallel which after few dates only little part of those would bang you, not bad at all, but still plenty of work.
The challenge is how to know who is coming for the free meal/drink/test her English and who is coming for you.

Post: #223

(11-05-2014 11:08 AM)diego69 Wrote:  ohionukes, I did not see this phenomenon of hungriness - maybe hungry for dinners on my account even by 8+ girls, but not desperate to leave the country and for sure not easy to bang.
I assume for a month+ time you can multi date many girls in parallel which after few dates only little part of those would bang you, not bad at all, but still plenty of work.
The challenge is how to know who is coming for the free meal/drink/test her English and who is coming for you.

Diego - your experiences mirror mine. I did never see a lot of educated over 30 that I would call a 8+ but LinkedIn is great source for guys wanting that type of women.
Did you try Tinder in Kiev ?

Post: #224

Yes the girls must be all wanting to leave now. Akula confirmed it. It is like 1996-1998 all over again. Those years were legend. Sorry we all missed it.

We have an encore now again, or I can sell you the Bklyn bridge.

However, I wouldn't be surprised that the girls have less chances to be wined and dined these days. You guys as foreigners with hard currency make the perfect escort . And a few more might be skilled at 'you scratch my back and I will scratch your back'.

If history is repeating itself I suspect the majority of visa/passport chasers are mothers with children. The majority of dinner whores is the same garden variety as usual.

Post: #225

(11-04-2014 04:57 PM)ohionukes Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:47 PM)diego69 Wrote:  ohionukes, response rate and phone number harvesting both online and on day/night game are great in Kiev, even from 7 and 8, the challenge at least for me was how to convert the numbers to dates and how to convert dates to bangs.
So when just arriving to the city you are overwhelmed by this and the beauty and feel this could be pussy paradise while eventually amount of bangs will probably be low and require a lot of work.
I would be happy to hear how is it for you there.

My problem is time. If I lived here for a month or more, I would be swimming in bangs. Right now, I can easily convert 90-95% of the girls into dates. I find that some of them are getting very pushy (when are we meeting, why haven't you texted, etc). One girl actually got mad we didn't meet the first day I was here, and told me good luck with whomever I meet. Then a minute later wrote me back asking me if she can see me tomorrow. This is my 5th time to Kiev and I have NEVER seen the women here so aggressively wanting to go out on a date.

Although I repped ohionukes earlier I would take 90-95% conversion rate with a "grain of salt". I think Ohio mentioned in a previous post (/thread-35973-...#pid724314) that he uses some boutique "matchmaker millionaire" type sites for his dates. So, if he is lying about his age and possibly his income I can see why the response rate would be so high, however to be honest this would not be applicable to most of Rooshforum guys. I have been to Kiev myself (though not this year) and even with good Russian language skills and high income I did not have girls throwing themselves at me or my friend. While we both were able to get girls much better looking than in USA, on common dating sites like mamba and VK it still required a lot of effort to convert on 1st date. So, pardon me but I just can't help but view these stories with some skepticism.