Post: #26

(02-16-2013 04:57 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 12:24 PM)Tenerife Wrote:  I know, seriously right? You would think the ubiquity of porn would get rid of white-knight mentality.

Porn reducing white knights, oneitis, and putting girls on a pedestal???

I don't know.

I think, for alot of guys, PORN/MASTURBATION IS A SUBSTITUTE FOR SEX.

They don't want to work on their game. They don't want to improve their diet. They don't want to workout. They don't want to upgrade their wardrobe. They don't want to improve their conversational skills and sense of humor. It's too much work.

It's easier to jerk off.

I don't know if porn helps players or hurts players. I guess it depends how you use it.

Yes, it varies depending on the guy.

Does porn/masturbation provide a good substitute for sex? Sure, I won't say I've never used it in such a way. When sex is not available, masturbation is a solid option to have. Even when sex is available, rubbing one out prior to departure can be useful for tempering neediness and other potential pitfalls during your discourse with girls.

At the same time, however, I've been able to watch plenty of porn and still make vast improvements to my diet, my wardrobe, my physique and my general conversational skill. I've made all of these upgrades during my 3-4 years so far in college.

I began freshman year at 5'10, 240lbs. I was fit enough to be on the football team, but I was carrying plenty of baby fat. Now I'm down to 200-205lbs, and have a much more toned body with (for the first time in my life) visible abs. Most of this change is due to an improved diet-I went from eating 2/3 burgers with fries at lunch to ordering 5 or 6 egg-whites and/or some salmon and grilled chicken instead.

I began college wearing clothes that were too big for me, and also sporting boring t-shirts and jeans of low quality. Now I wear polos, fleeces, thermals and henley's that actually fit me. Combine the better clothing with the improved fit and my improved physique, and I look about 1 million times better than I did first stepping onto campus.

In every way I am better than I was before, and this is in spite of my watching PLENTY of porn.

Porn/masturbation can be a useful supplement to self-improvement if you know how to use it and have the discipline to use it properly. If you can just hold on to the fact that porn, in the long term, can never be a satisfactory substitute for actual/substantive mental and physical forms of self-improvement, then you can make it work for you.

I was able to push myself to make these improvements because I never lost sight of the fact that porn is not real, and I have never truly been satisfied with it. It provides short-term gratification that will never amount to a replacement for real, long term self-improvement, and the experience can't match what you can have with a real woman. If you keep that understanding in mind and also focus more on porn that doesn't promote fantasy (ex: watch more amateur porn with real girls instead of Vivid/Brazzers work with plastic blondes doing unrealistically kinky things), you'll be ok. Really.

The question is: how many guys can do this? I'm sure many cannot, and for them nofap makes sense.

(02-16-2013 05:01 PM)Teedub Wrote:  ^ This is why the nofap guys have a point.

It DOES decrease motivation and it is an easy way out. If porn was blocked on the internet for a month, the women of this world wouldn't know what had hit them. In fact, I'd love it to happen just to see the Jezebel article.

You'd just have a larger mass of thirsty dudes running around and an uptick in the number of sausagefests. Plain/average girls would see a rise in the number of approaches they receive and thus an increase in their practical sexual market value.

I do not see how this would be beneficial to anyone but the women, who already receive more validation/ego boosts/attention than they know what to do with and would only be getting more in this scenario.

Post: #27

(02-16-2013 05:43 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 04:56 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 10:51 AM)BoiBoi Wrote:  The average American female weighs just as much as the average male porn actor. Not cool

Pretty disgusting statistic. I was driving home from a friend's house earlier, through a studenty area of town and I was analysing the girls as I drove past them. Its a Saturday night, so they were dressed to go out... I was actually getting depressed at the amount of overweight girls. I don't mean obese or even outright fat, just girls with probably half a stone to a stone (7-14lbs) extra fat. They aren't seen as being fat in today's world, yet they would be out of the ordinary even 20 years ago.

What you saw would be a significant improvement over what you'd see in much of the United States.

I don't doubt that for a second bro. The question is, is how do we combat it? It is seriously one of my number one hates - fat girls. Fat guys are a problem too, but I'm not personally affected for obvious reasons, so I don't really care.

Post: #28

(02-16-2013 05:01 PM)Teedub Wrote:  ^ This is why the nofap guys have a point.

It DOES decrease motivation and it is an easy way out. If porn was blocked on the internet for a month, the women of this world wouldn't know what had hit them. In fact, I'd love it to happen just to see the Jezebel article.

As if a lot of places aren't sausage fests and girls don't get enough attention via facebook/twitter.

Porn is keeping America from turning into a middle eastern terrorist den!

WIA

Post: #29

(02-16-2013 05:44 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  If you can just hold on to the fact that porn, in the long term, can never be a satisfactory substitute for actual/substantive mental and physical forms of self-improvement, then you can make it work for you.

I was able to push myself to make these improvements because I never lost sight of the fact that porn is not real, and I have never truly been satisfied with it. It provides short-term gratification that will never amount to a replacement for real, long term self-improvement, and the experience can't match what you can have with a real woman. If you keep that understanding in mind and also focus more on porn that doesn't promote fantasy (ex: watch more amateur porn with real girls instead of Vivid/Brazzers work with plastic blondes doing unrealistically kinky things), you'll be ok. Really.

The question is: how many guys can do this? I'm sure many cannot, and for them nofap makes sense.

Makes sense. I just worry that others do not have to same level of mental discipline that you do.

As you know, the mind is a powerful thing. For the weak minded, fantasy often becomes reality. Easier to live in delusion then face reality.

For many men, I afraid that PORN IS THEIR SEX LIFE.

I will admit, no woman can handle my balls as well as I can!

Post: #30

(02-16-2013 05:53 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Makes sense. I just worry that others do not have to same level of mental discipline that you do.

As you know, the mind is a powerful thing. For the weak minded, fantasy often becomes reality. Easier to live in delusion then face reality.

For many men, I afraid that PORN IS THEIR SEX LIFE.

I will admit, no woman can handle my balls as well as I can!

This is true and, like I said, nofap-movements can do those guys some good. Porn can create problems for those men.

For those dudes with more mental fortitude and a more realistic (and limited) view of the role porn can ultimately play in their life long-term, porn is best treated as a friend, not an enemy.

Post: #31

Before sex, I like to smoke a joint. As I'm doing this I tell the girl to put on a scene that she will like. They are always shy about searching around for a good scene. After I take of few hits of my weed, I find a scene of a girl that looks like her being fucked good. This is my favorite way to use porn.

My 2nd favorite way to use porn involves me, a quiet night at home, and....uhhh...forget it!

Post: #32

(02-16-2013 07:29 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  The most shocking thing about these statistics is that the national average for chicks weight is 165lbs. Jesus fucking Christ that is high. Is that correct?

WTF?! They make so many laws they should make a Fat Camp Law. All bitches who are too fat have to attend Fat Camp.

Post: #33

Yeah I agree that professional porn is fake and kind of a turn-off. Anyone have a good source for "amateur porn" or are yall just using the usual porn aggregators?

Post: #34

How has no one posted this up here XD

Post: #35

(02-16-2013 04:57 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 12:24 PM)Tenerife Wrote:  I know, seriously right? You would think the ubiquity of porn would get rid of white-knight mentality.

Porn reducing white knights, oneitis, and putting girls on a pedestal???

I don't know.

I think, for alot of guys, PORN/MASTURBATION IS A SUBSTITUTE FOR SEX.

They don't want to work on their game. They don't want to improve their diet. They don't want to workout. They don't want to upgrade their wardrobe. They don't want to improve their conversational skills and sense of humor. It's too much work.

It's easier to jerk off.

I don't know if porn helps players or hurts players. I guess it depends how you use it.

I don't know how many times I have to say it but the no fapp challenge is the best thing that has happened to my game in the past few months.

I don't masturbate anymore and so far I am always full of energy, my workouts are phenomal and I am fearless when it comes to game.
Females look so good now I don't even have to think about approaching.

I don't think I can go back to watching porn, life is way better without it.