Post: #1

I came across a Roosh post where he mentioned this

Quote:I’m also teaching him about ramble and how to elaborate his replies when talking to girls instead of giving short answers

I'm not very good at talking or continuing conversations. Can someone elaborate on what Roosh is saying and how you can do it.

Post: #2

(01-21-2013 09:07 PM)Jason34 Wrote:  I came across a Roosh post where he mentioned this

Quote:I’m also teaching him about ramble and how to elaborate his replies when talking to girls instead of giving short answers

I'm not very good at talking or continuing conversations. Can someone elaborate on what Roosh is saying and how you can do it.

Simple. Don't force it. Don't talk for the sake of talking. If you have nothing to say then so be it. Always trying to keep the conversation going is supplicating. Besides, women like a guy who doesn't talk too much. Think about it. Women are the ones stereotyped as talking all the time (see any movie with a teenager on the phone in their room, it's almost always a girl). It's seen as a feminine trait. Strong, silent is masculine. Error on the side of masculine.

Post: #3

Roosh advised to watch an hour of Seinfeld a week and let it flow.

Post: #4

(01-21-2013 09:07 PM)Jason34 Wrote:  I came across a Roosh post where he mentioned this

Quote:I’m also teaching him about ramble and how to elaborate his replies when talking to girls instead of giving short answers

I'm not very good at talking or continuing conversations. Can someone elaborate on what Roosh is saying and how you can do it.

You obviously haven't read Roosh's books. Pick up "Bang" and "Day Bang" for instruction on Rambling .

http://www.amazon.com/Bang-More-Lays-60-...1438214235
http://www.amazon.com/Day-Bang-Casually-...gy_b_img_y

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #5

Open your mind up to the conversation "paths" that can occur. And I would practice talking for the sake of talking... that's kind of what you have to do until you find a topic you can sink your teeth into. Especially with girls, steer topics towards how they relate to other people/characters.

1: "Hey, I missed class today."
2: "Are you going to make up the notes?"
1: "Yeah, I have a friend in that class to get notes from."

Sort of a boring conversation, and if your ramble wasn't engaged, #1 would respond with "okay." or something, ending that train of thought. If you were open to rambling, you'd see a potential conversation path about something meaningful to #2. Just keep the conversation rolling towards something they actually care about, even if it feels like friendly fluff along the way.

2: "How well do you know them? ... Did you take the class with them on purpose? ... What are they like?"

If the classmate is at all significant to #1, then there's an interesting conversation out of a boring topic. You'll strike gold and find a good topic eventually. Be chill and friendly. Just ask open ended questions about people's opinions or experiences, and they'll do all the work by talking about their favorite topic: themselves.

Post: #6

(01-21-2013 09:11 PM)nek Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 09:07 PM)Jason34 Wrote:  I came across a Roosh post where he mentioned this

Quote:I’m also teaching him about ramble and how to elaborate his replies when talking to girls instead of giving short answers

I'm not very good at talking or continuing conversations. Can someone elaborate on what Roosh is saying and how you can do it.

Simple. Don't force it. Don't talk for the sake of talking. If you have nothing to say then so be it. Always trying to keep the conversation going is supplicating. Besides, women like a guy who doesn't talk too much. Think about it. Women are the ones stereotyped as talking all the time (see any movie with a teenager on the phone in their room, it's almost always a girl). It's seen as a feminine trait. Strong, silent is masculine. Error on the side of masculine.

Not someone like me. I barely talk as it is. I won't be erring on the side of masculine, I'll be erring on the side of autistic.

Post: #7

1. Slow it down, consciously. It let's you control the pace of the conversation and and puts more weight on the little you say.

2. Use adjectives liberally.

3. Add ifs, ands, and buts.

Post: #8

I'm not sure Jason about rambling but before I read this post I was on mugshots and saw my old book-keeper got busted for organized fraud. She stole some of my tax money and I got paid back. Can you believe the check was drawn off the salvation army? They must have something to do with her probation but anyway she looked like hell or like she's been cooking meth in her bedroom for the last 6 months..When I saw her get busted the first time I called the place she ripped off and told them she did the same shit to me..the girl that answers the phone there sounded cute so I left my number with her..I'm not sure if anything will come of it but why not? We talked again today and I sent her the link to the meth pics..Maybe I should run by the office sometime I don't know..I noticed her husband got busted a couple times for bad checks which I thought was odd because they seemed to have their shit together and were allways at the dragstrip pounding out good times..I guess drugs will do that ya know..The last time I was at her office her little sister was helping her she's an 8 all day long...She flooded the office a few years back and swamped all my paper work (I was happy) in case of an audit I have decent proof that my shit is gone..My younger cousin went to school with her I'm going to ask if he runs into her next time I see him..About him..he's a bit of a player but insists he needs to fuck strippers so he doesn't have that desperate look on his face at the bars..he says "they know" and you'll never get laid if you have "the look" sometimes I think there's some truth to that..I've noticed my hot-streaks are hot so maybe he's right..he 's owned busy nightclubs and pounded through shit tons of sluts..the last club had a promoter and got into a niche for black dudes up in a white redneck county the sheriff was threatening him all the time and they falsely arrested him for suspicion of something and he called it quits..he had two partners and they were a little geeky but club ownership put them in the big leagues puzzy-wize and both got married..I worked on one of the wives cars and she had a giant clock some porn and stripper heels in her trunk I think she was escorting for coke money or some shit..when she came in I had her trunk open and said the lock was messed up or something and made pretend not to notice all the hooker shit and her face was priceless we were dying that day..I think her older sister is could probably win some guiness book thing for most consecutive days or years working in a strip club..I was at a bachelor party when I was 18 and she was there I'm 43 now and that's the only place she's ever worked. I seen her the other day looking rough and was wondering how long this is going to last...What would she write on future job apps? 1986-2013 dancer at mons venus? haha..

Post: #9

I usually go for the laugh (which sometimes turns into a soft neg), but that's just me. If it's not natural, don't force it.

Last week I ran into a notch I haven't seen in years. (Small-town beauty queen type).

Her: "Yeah, I've been trying to get a job with... ...(trying to remember)"
Me: "Donald Trump?"
Her: (Laughs)
Me: "Bill Gates?"
Her: (More laughs)
Me (faux serious): "C'mon, you have to aim high now."

Cornball maybe, but getting her laughing drew her closer.
She's married btw. Still gave me her number.

ymmv

Post: #10

Don't self sensor. Don't criticise yourself.

I used to be really quiet and shy when I was young. It was because I thought people didn't want to hear the nonsense I had to say.

The truth is people love ramblers because it takes the pressure off/breaks the silence, and allows others to join in the conversation.

Who would you invite first to a party? A rambler or an intelligent but shy person?

Ramble, my friend. She'll appreciate it.
Start with what you did yesterday, then expand that to what your friend told you he did last weekend...

Simple.

Post: #11

You need to find other people who ramble, and stay interesting. There is a level of social intelligence you need to be able to hold the girl's attention when doing this, which will not come across very well in written words.

Post: #12

El Mechanico's post is a better primer on rambling than 100 pages of technical instruction on how to converse with a girl. Five minutes of pure nothing, stream-of-consciousness style, and at the end she neither knows nor cares what you were talking about, but recognizes you as an interesting, socially aware guy whom she feels comfortable opening up to. And there's fifty different threads of conversation that could be followed now.

Post: #13

(01-21-2013 09:07 PM)Jason34 Wrote:  I came across a Roosh post where he mentioned this

Quote:I’m also teaching him about ramble and how to elaborate his replies when talking to girls instead of giving short answers

I'm not very good at talking or continuing conversations. Can someone elaborate on what Roosh is saying and how you can do it.

When you walk into a room, could be a bar, coffee shop, whatever, do not beeline straight for the open seat. Glance around and look over the people and the objects and get a really good feel for the place. Then, when the conversation dries up, you can slowly look around pensively and notice something.

"Hey isn't that a funny clock? Reminds me of a clock my grandfather used to have in his living room."

"Is that guy serious? He looks like he just stepped off Mount Everest."

Post: #14

When someone says something to you think of a story in your life it reminds you of. Tell that story.

Post: #15

(01-22-2013 03:09 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I'm not sure Jason about rambling but before I read this post I was on mugshots and saw my old book-keeper got busted for organized fraud. She stole some of my tax money and I got paid back. Can you believe the check was drawn off the salvation army? They must have something to do with her probation but anyway she looked like hell or like she's been cooking meth in her bedroom for the last 6 months..When I saw her get busted the first time I called the place she ripped off and told them she did the same shit to me..the girl that answers the phone there sounded cute so I left my number with her..I'm not sure if anything will come of it but why not? We talked again today and I sent her the link to the meth pics..Maybe I should run by the office sometime I don't know..I noticed her husband got busted a couple times for bad checks which I thought was odd because they seemed to have their shit together and were allways at the dragstrip pounding out good times..I guess drugs will do that ya know..The last time I was at her office her little sister was helping her she's an 8 all day long...She flooded the office a few years back and swamped all my paper work (I was happy) in case of an audit I have decent proof that my shit is gone..My younger cousin went to school with her I'm going to ask if he runs into her next time I see him..About him..he's a bit of a player but insists he needs to fuck strippers so he doesn't have that desperate look on his face at the bars..he says "they know" and you'll never get laid if you have "the look" sometimes I think there's some truth to that..I've noticed my hot-streaks are hot so maybe he's right..he 's owned busy nightclubs and pounded through shit tons of sluts..the last club had a promoter and got into a niche for black dudes up in a white redneck county the sheriff was threatening him all the time and they falsely arrested him for suspicion of something and he called it quits..he had two partners and they were a little geeky but club ownership put them in the big leagues puzzy-wize and both got married..I worked on one of the wives cars and she had a giant clock some porn and stripper heels in her trunk I think she was escorting for coke money or some shit..when she came in I had her trunk open and said the lock was messed up or something and made pretend not to notice all the hooker shit and her face was priceless we were dying that day..I think her older sister is could probably win some guiness book thing for most consecutive days or years working in a strip club..I was at a bachelor party when I was 18 and she was there I'm 43 now and that's the only place she's ever worked. I seen her the other day looking rough and was wondering how long this is going to last...What would she write on future job apps? 1986-2013 dancer at mons venus? haha..

I actually read this shit....

you got me there mech with your ramble. Interesting story..

Post: #16

You can always try this..

Post: #17

(01-22-2013 02:43 PM)Jason34 Wrote:  Not someone like me. I barely talk as it is. I won't be erring on the side of masculine, I'll be erring on the side of autistic.

Sounds like you're pretty hard on yourself. I can relate. I used to be the same way.

My guess is that right now, you've got too much filter, you over think, and you waste your brain's "processing power" searching for the perfect comment. As a result, your conversations have a lot of awkward silences (which btw aren't that awkward; it just feels that way when you're desperately racking your brain for something to say).

A lot of smart guys have this problem. For me, the solution came in two parts.

Part One: Always remember you are your own harshest critic. To you, the shit you ramble on may sound profoundly retarded, but no one else is paying that much attention. They're not thinking, "listen to this insipid moron." They're barely listening, and if they are, what they hear sounds like normal conversation. Plus, fuck this girl you're talking to. Who cares what she thinks anyway?

Part Two: Practice. Ramble every chance you get. Try taking over conversations. Go to a party and force yourself to be that talkative, outgoing guy for 90 minutes. You'll be amazed how well it goes over--introverts don't appreciate how much most people (women esp.) enjoy the company of talkative, enthusiastic men. It may never be second nature but there will come a point at which you no longer second guess every word coming out of your mouth.

Post: #18

(01-22-2013 03:09 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I think her older sister is could probably win some guiness book thing for most consecutive days or years working in a strip club..I was at a bachelor party when I was 18 and she was there I'm 43 now and that's the only place she's ever worked. I seen her the other day looking rough and was wondering how long this is going to last...What would she write on future job apps? 1986-2013 dancer at mons venus? haha..

Post: #19

(01-22-2013 02:43 PM)Jason34 Wrote:  Not someone like me. I barely talk as it is. I won't be erring on the side of masculine, I'll be erring on the side of autistic.

Here is a very technical discussion on how to learn to talk, from my blog:

Introversion is really, as I observe it, the inability to talk, an amateurishness of conversation. Really, it's about not having put in the 10 000+ hours needed to become an expert at conversation/talking (which is really what extroversion is, on observation. Extroverts are not special people. They for the most part are just people that can't shut up.)

Some understanding of how the brain is wired is required at this point.

Understand that the brain usually has dual mechanisms for any process it has - an inhibitory process and an excitatory process. In other words, a suppressing mechanism and an activating mechanism

Thus: the speech centres of your brain have both a suppression mechanism and an activation mechanism.

If you cannot converse, there are 2 possibilities: either you have an overactive suppression mechanism which kills your speech, or an underactive activation mechanism that fails to start your speech.

Since the brain is plastic (able to change under stimulus), to become a conversationalist you need to dial down your suppression mechanisms and boost your activation mechanisms. This unfortunately can only be done by practicing conversation, as painful and awkward as it might be initially.

Have you ever wondered how old people can just talk and talk and talk and talk without end? It's because of age-related decay of the brain. As a survival quirk granted by evolution or by God, we lose our inhibitory centres of the brain first as we age. This preserves some capacity for action, which is needed for survival. Thus, old people may have intact activation centres even as their inhibition centres decay. Old people therefore are constantly activated to talk, and on occasion also do socially inappropriate things because the social inhibition centres die off too.

Ever wondered why you say stupid things when you are drunk? Because alcohol selectively supresses the inhibitory centres of the brain before it knocks out the activating centres. If you have a naturally active speech activation centre what happens is that your brain is generating stupid things to say all the time, but your inhibitory centre prevents you from saying them (although you might still be thinking them). With alcohol, inhibitory centres deactivate and those things which you would normally not have said due to the inhibition action will suddenly flood out.

So 2 things are necessary for our quiet introvert: to deactivate the inhibitor and to stimulate the activator centres of his speech. An introvert is not necessarily consigned to being speechless forever. He just needs to get some rewiring done.

Furthermore, there are 2 seperate language expression areas. One for written language, one for spoken language. You can be an incredible writer and yet struggle to speak. That's because your written language area may be more developed than your spoken language area. And yet even more furthermore, your spoken language area requires the support of the speech motor areas that wire your jaw and voice box.

When parts of the brain are not used, those parts of the brain will naturally go into downmode and enter a low activity state. If you are quiet the whole day, your speech motor areas will go into downmonde. Even if you want to say something, your spoken language areas of the brain may slam against speech motor areas which are in downmode - leaving you struggling for words, at a loss for words.

We can thus conclude that we require the following to develop conversational skills. We must suppress the inhibitor centre and promote the activation centre and reinforce the spoken language centre and we must promote the speech motor centres.

To do this we must talk, talk the way we exercise, with deliberate regularity. Even when talking seems painful, it has to be done.

So greet everyone, converse with strangers, dictate your emails and documents with a speech to text programme, call someone rather than sending e-mail, always try to do things manually with human interaction (speak to a bank teller rather that than going to the ATM, for example.) If you have windows seven, turn on the speech recognition, and start talking to your computer. You must put in the time. You have to find ways to reach your 10,000 hour goal.

Don't think you can substitute talk training with writing. Don't think omegle, writing emails and blogs and forum posts, letters, forms or whatever manifestation of written words will help you converse. By writing your training the wrong part of your brain. Some people are good talkers but poor writers -they have good spoken speech centres but poor written language centres. More talking will not make them better writers. In the same way more writing will not make you a better talker.