(10-21-2018 04:40 PM)psuednym45 Wrote:  I live in a city of under 100,000 and I'm having no success with Tinder.

Tinder is useless for cities under 1 million.

Yesterday a girl I'd been chatting to for a month turned up for a date. Our schedule of travel had prevented us from meeting sooner. I invested the time because she was a hard 7 according to her IG. She also seemed smart and funny.

She turned up with bad skin and looking about 2 stone heavier than her pictures.

At this point I'm convinced that if a girl jumps through all the hoops necessary for a meeting (matches, talks, doesn't ghost, number exchanged) then this means her SMV is significantly lower than yours, regardless of what her pics tell you.

Girls in your league (at the very least) want nothing to do with you.

(10-22-2018 12:38 PM)WomenLuvDeez Wrote:  I have tinder gold and I am still getting easy 50+ matches a day.

Are these 50 matches a day in the West?

Going on vacation for two weeks but decided to take a break from Tinder for a while.

I am getting matches. I wouldn't say a TON.. but some. However, the girls that I am matching with are like 6s and I am now a firm believer that fucking around a 6 will cost you a 7 and fucking around with a 7 will cost you an 8.

In essence, I could be investing time and money in myself instead of wasting those resources (time and energy) having sex with wack chicks.

In addition I don't think my SMV is up to standard for Tinder as well. I need to work on my body (get a six pack and lean up... I am by no means fat tho) and get pro pics, shirtless pics amongst some other things if I am going to play the Tinder game. The hotter girls that matched me replied and then just ended up ghosting me after a while. The lower girls aren't really too tough to get going.

Alot of guys here are salty about their Tinder results but I am going to take it as an indication that I need to better my lifestyle and looks and then try again.

Again I was getting bangs from Tinder and it delivered but just not the quality I want so Ive decided to take a step back.

Tinder used to be able to click a girls Instagram photos then her username and automatically open tinder to message her. Now when IG opens it asks me to sign in over and over. Even when I do it still doesn’t take me to her account! I have to manually search their usernames one by one. Takes forever. Anyone else having this issue?

I am the first to complain about tinder, I am not bitter about my results, what I complained about and it’s the same for most of the other guys here is that the game is now biaised and tinder are in purpose lowering men’s SMV.
I don’t think all the guys who used to get quality lays off tinder 2-3 years ago had their SMV dropped by 3-4 points in 2-3 years.

I am back to daygame, it’s rough at the moment in Paris and I am kind of rusty but I think I needed to go back to the basics, I became lazy with online game so at the moment I am in a « fuck technology » phase. A good daygamer has to be like an animal, having sharp instincts, a good radar, be hungry for pussy and be relentless, he also needs to have a thick skin to deal with the parisian attitudes. it’s like a boxer going back to his first filthy gym. I need to find back my flame, the excitment of spotting a target in the crowd, hunting her, feeling dizzy from her curves, feeling that adrenaline rush when I am about to approach, open, calibrate, tease, smooth talk...online game made me a lazy man and I need to change this.

(10-22-2018 12:38 PM)WomenLuvDeez Wrote:  I have tinder gold and I am still getting easy 50+ matches a day. I don't know if your selectively swiping but don't. Swipe yes on all and wait for the good ones to come through.

Extremely bad advice and will get your Elo tanked. My guess is it doesn't matter because you are in a location with white god status and you're attractive enough to make it work. Won't apply to 95% of guys here.

(10-22-2018 05:47 PM)Ten Feet Tall Right Now Wrote:  Tinder used to be able to click a girls Instagram photos then her username and automatically open tinder to message her. Now when IG opens it asks me to sign in over and over. Even when I do it still doesn’t take me to her account! I have to manually search their usernames one by one. Takes forever. Anyone else having this issue?

Works fine for me on Android.

(10-22-2018 02:01 PM)weallbang5s Wrote:  

(10-21-2018 04:40 PM)psuednym45 Wrote:  I live in a city of under 100,000 and I'm having no success with Tinder.

Tinder is useless for cities under 1 million.

Not only is this completely, categorically false, you very clearly did not read his post. He's MATCHING with 2-5 girls a day, which negates exactly the supposed problem with smaller cities.

Jesus. Wish I could negrep people here. So much bad advice.

(10-22-2018 12:38 PM)WomenLuvDeez Wrote:  I have tinder gold and I am still getting easy 50+ matches a day. I don't know if your selectively swiping but don't. Swipe yes on all and wait for the good ones to come through. Its also a goldmine if your traveling to SA. Just put your location to Bogota or somewhere like that and swipe all yes and see how many hot bitchs you get.

Unless your tinder profile/pictures are complete shit then you need to learn to do a profile correctly because for most women, they actually do read that shit.

In the states the conversion rate from talking on the app to number is maybe 4-5 girls out of 10 and date maybe 1-2 out of 10. In SA conversion rate is about 9.5 girls out of 10 for getting the numbers and 5-6 out of 10 for 1st date and then 2-3 out of those 10 for lay by first/second date.

I was getting 50+matches a day on Tinder in Sao Paulo and Rio. However, the women are very flaky so many of the matches were meaningless.

50+ matches in the USA will result in many more meets than in SA.

I can’t open a woman’s Instagram account through tinder anymore either on my iPhone. I normally check that a woman is an insta attention whore before swiping or wasting a superlike.

(10-23-2018 12:03 AM)N°6 Wrote:  I can’t open a woman’s Instagram account through tinder anymore either on my iPhone. I normally check that a woman is an insta attention whore before swiping or wasting a superlike.

It was the same for me for a few days but it came a new update from Tinder and Instagram in the appstore and one of them must have worked because its solved now. So I'd recommend to see if you could update the app(s).

(10-21-2018 04:20 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(10-21-2018 01:04 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  Having gold confirmed for me that Tinder is dead, I'm not going to bother with it again until after I move. Using the exact same pictures as 2 years ago I'm getting zero matches. Would have gotten at least 10 by now 2 years ago.

I think gold is actually a scam, when you don't have it they're lying to you about other girls who matched with you already. After you sign up they mysteriously disappear.

If you want to PM me the photos you're using I'm happy to review.

Try Plus instead of Gold, there is zero point to using Gold, but Plus gives you unlimited swipes, which means way more chances of getting matches.

I might renew with plus just to get those superlikes since they sometimes seem to work, but I'm guessing my pictures are crappy or something.

A question I do have for the strugglers in here, how old are you? I'm in my mid 30s and I put 26 on my profile since I kinda look young but maybe that is a little too young to put in.

(10-25-2018 02:12 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

(10-21-2018 04:20 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(10-21-2018 01:04 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  Having gold confirmed for me that Tinder is dead, I'm not going to bother with it again until after I move. Using the exact same pictures as 2 years ago I'm getting zero matches. Would have gotten at least 10 by now 2 years ago.

I think gold is actually a scam, when you don't have it they're lying to you about other girls who matched with you already. After you sign up they mysteriously disappear.

If you want to PM me the photos you're using I'm happy to review.

Try Plus instead of Gold, there is zero point to using Gold, but Plus gives you unlimited swipes, which means way more chances of getting matches.

I might renew with plus just to get those superlikes since they sometimes seem to work, but I'm guessing my pictures are crappy or something.

A question I do have for the strugglers in here, how old are you? I'm in my mid 30s and I put 26 on my profile since I kinda look young but maybe that is a little too young to put in.

I'd have to see photos of you but that seems like a stretch. I'm 31 and put 27 so I could get Plus for less money but 27 is pushing it now.

Yeah so the IG messaging thing is fixed. Now I’m dealing with another weird problem.

I keep swiping through the same girls. Not getting any new matches. Weird. Both my tinders in different cities are doing this. I just made a new account too... wtf

(10-15-2018 11:12 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 09:38 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  I still do pretty well with tinder but im also 220lbs and have shirtless pics. I don't even have professional pics though that will change shortly. if you don't like an adonis with your shirt off or john stamos in your shirt you probably should go back to the drawing board

This is the realization I have come to recently. Trying to work on this now. Its the only way. Pro pics and at least one with your shirt off.

I have good shirtless pics but for some reason they don't work in The Netherlands like it's a taboo. So what's the point of having something you can show if you're not allowed to show it.

(10-29-2018 04:44 PM)dtpilgrim Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 11:12 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(10-15-2018 09:38 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  I still do pretty well with tinder but im also 220lbs and have shirtless pics. I don't even have professional pics though that will change shortly. if you don't like an adonis with your shirt off or john stamos in your shirt you probably should go back to the drawing board

This is the realization I have come to recently. Trying to work on this now. Its the only way. Pro pics and at least one with your shirt off.

I have good shirtless pics but for some reason they don't work in The Netherlands like it's a taboo. So what's the point of having something you can show if you're not allowed to show it.

Can you define "good shirtless pics"? I definitely agree they work worse in Europe due to cultural values, but there's no reason they shouldn't not work AT ALL.

If you want you can PM me and I'll give you advice. I have been using various shirtless photos as my main for most of two years.

(10-29-2018 11:41 PM)corsega Wrote:  Can you define "good shirtless pics"? I definitely agree they work worse in Europe due to cultural values, but there's no reason they shouldn't not work AT ALL.

If you want you can PM me and I'll give you advice. I have been using various shirtless photos as my main for most of two years.

Cool man, will do.

How are your results on tinder over the last two years and in what area/region did you swipe?

***

For what it's worth I need to drop a bit of a rant here. We've all noticed tinder getting harder but man it's been a major blow to me. I have been running tinder since 2014, literally half my lays have come from tinder (20+ something). I thought I was legit good at it.

Something changed though in the last two years, and the last year especially has been brutal. I used to get like 10 matches per swipe session. Now tinder is just totally defecating all over their app with a severely restrictive 25 swipes per session, annoying pushy Tinder gold and Tinder Plus, while the added benefit of these services is worse than what Tinder was like in the 2014-2016 era.

I just don't understand what happened anymore? It's not like I've become uglier, I actually gained mass and improved my fashion sense and improved my pictures as far as I can see. But none of that shit seems to matter anymore. My witty profile texts just don't matter anymore and it's impossible to run good numbers game when your numbers are so cripplingly low (like 3 matches a day).

I once quantified my matches to date/bang ratio in 2017, and it was 1 out of 50 which already is disheartening. Nowadays it's going to take a month to get to 50 matches, the quality is just abysmally lower and the response rate is even lower.

But it's not like that for everyone. The two Chad friends I know have a completely flipped script. When I run a fake profile with Chad pics I get 100+ matches in the first swiping round. The girls message Chad first and it only takes like 15 minutes of chatting to set up a date.

Meanwhile people in my category, I don't know, maybe I'm like a 6.5 or 7 I have no idea, but the point is that I'm not legit ugly so I still get matches... But meanwhile people in my category get in this weird place where these chicks need to talk to you for like 2 weeks straight with daily entertainment before they want to meet you. I think I find that aspect of tinder the worst of all, the fact that when you are an OK male, it means you don't get to use tinder for what it's for, instead you get to participate in a fucking conversational tight-rope act where one single misstep means it's game over.

The ONLY significant factor for success on tinder nowadays is looks. I can't distinguish myself by being in the top 20% of educated people, or having a top 40% salary, or being in the top 30% of at least being funny and witty in conversation or being in the top 30% of male tinder profiles in terms of at least having HD quality pictures. None of that shit matters for shit anymore.

I quit tinder 6 months ago for this reason, now I'm starting it up again absolutely nothing has changed.

This is what tinder is nowadays: it's a place where ALL women take turns having sex with the top 2%? top 0.2%? of men in a city in terms of the only variable that no man can change: looks. End of story. And if you are an OK guy, you get saddled up with the girls who didn't match the real Chads.

I seriously wonder what is going on behind the scenes. Are all of these 7+ girls just able to take turns banging Chads? Are all these Chads racking up 200+ lay counts. Is there some kind of secret society where they're all having orgies and laughing at the lower 98.8% of genetic waste? It seems like nobody is having sex anymore, or that everyone is having sex with just the top 200 guys per city.

Boohoo enough doom and gloom. There's always been an 80/20 thing going on. You might be feeling it getting like 85/15.

Competition is always going to be fierce and people have been saying on this forum for years now that online game shouldn't be your primary. Work on your Instagram game to showcase lifestyle, approach girls IRL, dust off day bang. Hell maybe even dive into some new material. Evolve or starve.

Corsega made a system for himself and if he's as short and ugly as he's saying he's fucking killing it for his looks bracket. There's plenty of ways you can compete for that sweet prime puss my man. Tinders not the only game in town

(10-30-2018 04:51 AM)dtpilgrim Wrote:  Something changed though in the last two years, and the last year especially has been brutal. I used to get like 10 matches per swipe session. Now tinder is just totally defecating all over their app with a severely restrictive 25 swipes per session, annoying pushy Tinder gold and Tinder Plus,

Is it possible that that tinder limits number of right swipes not just for men but for women as well to a certain limit per day?

Is it possible that people get fewer matches since women swipe less compared to the days before Tinder gold or plus due to the women having fewer right swipes?

We all know women will never pay for this app, so if they have limited swipes, they will only selectively swipe right to chad high elo score who gets shown first and hence fewer matches to average joe beta at the bottom of the deck.

If women had unlimited right swipes, then it could be a solution to the problem, since they will swipe on more joe betas if chad high elo score ignores her (which he will) since chad has 1000 matches, naturally she will swipe more when she is ignored since she has more right swipes and at least joe beta can get an in to run his text game.

Currently, chad ignores her for 24 hours and after 24 hours she has free right swipes again to swipe a new chad while joe beta doesn't even get shown to her.

If you extrapolate this to all women , then we can see the problem

(10-30-2018 04:51 AM)dtpilgrim Wrote:  Meanwhile people in my category, I don't know, maybe I'm like a 6.5 or 7 I have no idea, but the point is that I'm not legit ugly so I still get matches... But meanwhile people in my category get in this weird place where these chicks need to talk to you for like 2 weeks straight with daily entertainment before they want to meet you. I think I find that aspect of tinder the worst of all, the fact that when you are an OK male, it means you don't get to use tinder for what it's for, instead you get to participate in a fucking conversational tight-rope act where one single misstep means it's game over.

I'm having a similar experience. My conclusion is the girls are either a) keeping the conversation open because they're trying their luck with other guys they consider better value and see me as an inferior second option or b) have been pumped and dumped too many times and are now screening viciously.

One solution is perhaps to try and target 'new users' which I'm noticing is possible on many of the apps with the right method. I'm experimenting with this atm.

(I've also asked Corsega to help me get my profile in better shape which he has been kind enough to agree to.)

It's clear to me after joining RVF that these apps have had a seriously devastating and pervasive effect on gender relations, particularly in the west. If Tinder was ever to reveal it's user statistics, I suspect many people are in store for a cultural shock. STD rates, for example, are already on the rise. In fact, it feels so significant that I wonder if anyone has yet theorised a causal link between the growth of the manosphere and inceldom with the rise of Tinder?

But there's no point complaining about it. These apps work like a drug and the addiction isn't going away any time soon. Overall, if you're not getting the results you want (once you've maximised your profile) you just have to accept it. Either drop the standards of the women that you're willing to bang and/or focus on other game syles.

(10-22-2018 04:59 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Going on vacation for two weeks but decided to take a break from Tinder for a while.

I am getting matches. I wouldn't say a TON.. but some. However, the girls that I am matching with are like 6s and I am now a firm believer that fucking around a 6 will cost you a 7 and fucking around with a 7 will cost you an 8.

In essence, I could be investing time and money in myself instead of wasting those resources (time and energy) having sex with wack chicks.

In addition I don't think my SMV is up to standard for Tinder as well. I need to work on my body (get a six pack and lean up... I am by no means fat tho) and get pro pics, shirtless pics amongst some other things if I am going to play the Tinder game. The hotter girls that matched me replied and then just ended up ghosting me after a while. The lower girls aren't really too tough to get going.

Alot of guys here are salty about their Tinder results but I am going to take it as an indication that I need to better my lifestyle and looks and then try again.

Again I was getting bangs from Tinder and it delivered but just not the quality I want so Ive decided to take a step back.

Tinder is getting easier for the few and harder for the many. I have nice style and a pretty damn good physique. Iniitally, I got a lot of matches and lays off tinder, but as time went on it slowed down. Looking back my pics weren't high enough quality. Due to my shitty pics my IRL value was not conveyed on my tinder. I decided to get pro pics. I did a lotta research and ended up with a nice eastern european immigrant photographer. She charged $450 and I could have gone with a cheaper photographer, but the quality of pics were truly top notch. You get what you pay for. Fuck all this talk about looking too try hard. The same women that say they don't swipe right on shirtless pics i've match with a lot of them and smashed if they were attractive enough and i had the time.

Word of caution about your professional pics. Don't pay for a shoot until you are in your best shape or close to it. It's a waste of money otherwise. Pro pics with a great body, decent to great face and style is some awesome synergistic shit. Pro pics of avg, are just really really nice avg pics

(10-30-2018 04:51 AM)dtpilgrim Wrote:  

(10-29-2018 11:41 PM)corsega Wrote:  Can you define "good shirtless pics"? I definitely agree they work worse in Europe due to cultural values, but there's no reason they shouldn't not work AT ALL.

If you want you can PM me and I'll give you advice. I have been using various shirtless photos as my main for most of two years.

Cool man, will do.

How are your results on tinder over the last two years and in what area/region did you swipe?

***

For what it's worth I need to drop a bit of a rant here. We've all noticed tinder getting harder but man it's been a major blow to me. I have been running tinder since 2014, literally half my lays have come from tinder (20+ something). I thought I was legit good at it.

Something changed though in the last two years, and the last year especially has been brutal. I used to get like 10 matches per swipe session. Now tinder is just totally defecating all over their app with a severely restrictive 25 swipes per session, annoying pushy Tinder gold and Tinder Plus, while the added benefit of these services is worse than what Tinder was like in the 2014-2016 era.

I just don't understand what happened anymore? It's not like I've become uglier, I actually gained mass and improved my fashion sense and improved my pictures as far as I can see. But none of that shit seems to matter anymore. My witty profile texts just don't matter anymore and it's impossible to run good numbers game when your numbers are so cripplingly low (like 3 matches a day).

I once quantified my matches to date/bang ratio in 2017, and it was 1 out of 50 which already is disheartening. Nowadays it's going to take a month to get to 50 matches, the quality is just abysmally lower and the response rate is even lower.

But it's not like that for everyone. The two Chad friends I know have a completely flipped script. When I run a fake profile with Chad pics I get 100+ matches in the first swiping round. The girls message Chad first and it only takes like 15 minutes of chatting to set up a date.

Meanwhile people in my category, I don't know, maybe I'm like a 6.5 or 7 I have no idea, but the point is that I'm not legit ugly so I still get matches... But meanwhile people in my category get in this weird place where these chicks need to talk to you for like 2 weeks straight with daily entertainment before they want to meet you. I think I find that aspect of tinder the worst of all, the fact that when you are an OK male, it means you don't get to use tinder for what it's for, instead you get to participate in a fucking conversational tight-rope act where one single misstep means it's game over.

The ONLY significant factor for success on tinder nowadays is looks. I can't distinguish myself by being in the top 20% of educated people, or having a top 40% salary, or being in the top 30% of at least being funny and witty in conversation or being in the top 30% of male tinder profiles in terms of at least having HD quality pictures. None of that shit matters for shit anymore.

I quit tinder 6 months ago for this reason, now I'm starting it up again absolutely nothing has changed.

This is what tinder is nowadays: it's a place where ALL women take turns having sex with the top 2%? top 0.2%? of men in a city in terms of the only variable that no man can change: looks. End of story. And if you are an OK guy, you get saddled up with the girls who didn't match the real Chads.

I seriously wonder what is going on behind the scenes. Are all of these 7+ girls just able to take turns banging Chads? Are all these Chads racking up 200+ lay counts. Is there some kind of secret society where they're all having orgies and laughing at the lower 98.8% of genetic waste? It seems like nobody is having sex anymore, or that everyone is having sex with just the top 200 guys per city.

I have ~55 lays from Tinder in 2.5 years. Most of these are in the hardest city in the US for Game (San Francisco).

I think you need to adjust your expectations. 3 matches a day is not cripplingly low. I get one match per day on my current non-Plus account.

Consider this: the average male on Tinder gets one match per thousand swipes. This was from a study done a couple years ago. You (and even I) are far above average.

Not sure what you mean with 25 swipes per session. As far as I can tell, swipes are still limited to 120 every 12 hours.

P.S. dtpilgrim PMed me his pics and they look quite good. If you want, you can PM me some sample conversations or post them here, I'm happy to give advice.

(10-30-2018 09:37 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  Tinder is getting easier for the few and harder for the many. I have nice style and a pretty damn good physique. Iniitally, I got a lot of matches and lays off tinder, but as time went on it slowed down. Looking back my pics weren't high enough quality. Due to my shitty pics my IRL value was not conveyed on my tinder. I decided to get pro pics. I did a lotta research and ended up with a nice eastern european immigrant photographer. She charged $450 and I could have gone with a cheaper photographer, but the quality of pics were truly top notch. You get what you pay for. Fuck all this talk about looking too try hard. The same women that say they don't swipe right on shirtless pics i've match with a lot of them and smashed if they were attractive enough and i had the time.

Word of caution about your professional pics. Don't pay for a shoot until you are in your best shape or close to it. It's a waste of money otherwise. Pro pics with a great body, decent to great face and style is some awesome synergistic shit. Pro pics of avg, are just really really nice avg pics

Professional-looking photos are the reason Tinder has gotten so tough over the past year. Before, it was just the Game-aware guys that had pro photos, and they were cleaning up. Now, the word is out. Every bro has an iPhone X and a couple of friends that can take a photo of him next to the Golden Gate Bridge staring longingly into the distance. You are no longer competing with webcam selfies from 2008.

This is business, ya'll. They step their game up, you step yours up.

Luckily with threads like these we can stay one step ahead.

Remember women only swipe but so many times a day. Don't get offended if you don't get a match for some time unless of course you used boost and still didn't get matches. In this case you need to go back to the drawing board.

Corsega or anyone else using tind3r, any quick tips on how to set up, what version chrome/or tind3r extension you are using, or where to download/ how to install/setup the tind3r extension?

When I go to tind3r.com in any browser, it gives error "There is some error. Please try logout and login again." and the page keeps trying to load with only the top advertising banner displaying. I've tried downloading extensions or other files from a couple places with no change.

From comments it seems others have not been able to get tind3r to work either.

For others, here is the process I use to set/change location on chrome (desktop version) to use tinder.com without the paid version:

-first find coordinates on google.com/maps ; right click any spot on map, "what's here" then record, copy or remember the first 4 or 5 digits of the latitude & longitude
-in chrome, click the three dots towards the upper right hand of screen > more tools > developer tools > sensors > geolocation > custom location > then type in the desired latitude & longitude

Hmm, maybe tind3r.com doesn't work anymore for new users. I'm using 0.2.2 and latest version of Chrome and it works for me, but I've had it installed for a while.

trying to get tind3r working and so far no luck. The extension has been removed from the chrome store. I could download the 0.2.2 tind3r client directory in zip format from the following site https://crx.dam.io/ext/olicollicgbjgnial...dccon.html actual link to file https://crx.dam.io/files/olicollicgbjgni.../0.2.2.zip
**(make sure you have your anti-virus etc on?)

then I can unzip the folder, and install the extension in developer mode , and the extension shows up in chrome. there is a little heart in the upper right hand corner of chrome, that goes to tind3r.com. but then when I go to tind3r.com


(get the extension does nothing)

I've also tried 0.2.1 folder from the same archive, no luck, same result.

the tind3r.com frontend (server) is uploaded on github here: https://github.com/rlesniak/tind3r.com but this is different from the chrome extension client and I don't think it is the issue.

maybe there is somewhere else online the (correct?) 0.2.2.zip chrome extension is uploaded?

anyone else have this working!?

Also came across & downloaded 6tin windos app here https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/6tin/9...verviewtab and it seems to be working ok, easy to set location, no other advanced features though

thanks again