Post: #76

(12-14-2012 09:59 PM)houston Wrote:  If you know where to get a sack of weed in America, you can get an illegal gun. Someone will know someone who knows someone.

Everything time someone rambles on about gun control I say to myself "because alcohol control in the 20's worked great."

Post: #77

(12-14-2012 09:59 PM)houston Wrote:  If you know where to get a sack of weed in America, you can get an illegal gun. Someone will know someone who knows someone.

This is a problem. I've never seen a gun in Canada that wasn't in a police officers holster or used as a decoration (ancient guns). Heres the simplest answer I can think of. A gun buy back like in Austrailia and if a weapon is reported to be in your possession or in your home upon being found 10+ years in prison. That would be my answer to it.

Post: #78

(12-14-2012 03:31 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  Then water it a little bit:

"Just change out the face with the most recent guy."

I'm really disappointed that you posted this tuth. It's inappropriate and inaccurate. Not surprisingly the biggest race trolls around her liked it. You should all be ashamed.

Post: #79

(12-14-2012 09:59 PM)houston Wrote:  If you know where to get a sack of weed in America, you can get an illegal gun. Someone will know someone who knows someone.

Dude, this isn't really a good point. Pretty much everyone smokes weed now a days, I'm sure any high school kid in America can buy weed at school. How many gun dealers are slanging AK-47s in the bathroom at lunch time? Sure if someone wants a gun bad enough they will get their hands on one, but it sure as hell ain't as easy as buying a sack of weed.

Post: #80

I live right next to Newtown... So sad that it happened so close to Christmas and so close to my home

Post: #81

(12-14-2012 10:13 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 09:59 PM)houston Wrote:  If you know where to get a sack of weed in America, you can get an illegal gun. Someone will know someone who knows someone.

This is a problem. I've never seen a gun in Canada that wasn't in a police officers holster or used as a decoration (ancient guns). Heres the simplest answer I can think of. A gun buy back like in Austrailia and if a weapon is reported to be in your possession or in your home upon being found 10+ years in prison. That would be my answer to it.

The first problem with this idea is the Second Ammendment to the Constitution. It would have to be ammended or reinterpreted by the Supreme Court.

However, barring that...Americans just loooove their guns too much. There would be a lucrative underground market for guns if the right to bear arms was overturned.

Sadly, Americans love guns so much that these spree killings are considered a fair price to pay for the right to bear arms. I don't see serious, strict gun control being implemented any time soon.

Post: #82

(12-14-2012 09:31 PM)garygroundwork Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:18 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  There will be the usual gun control debate in the media. I hope it doesn't start up on the RVF boards. Gun control has absolutely nothing to do with it. There are countries that are as heavily armed or more as the U.S. that doesn't see this type of violence or as frequently.

If gun laws were stricter people would get them illegally. If guns were somehow removed people would use bombs, or knives, or their bare hands. The discussion here is about violence in American culture. You could have an armed guard in every classroom and these tragedies would still happen.

Roosh is right on. People will mourn, shake their heads, have moments of silence in disbelief, and then a week later everyone's back to do their holiday shopping.

Our culture is deeply broken.

wow...

gun control has EVERYTHING to do with it.

look at Australia... they had a massacre in 1996...

immediately they did something about it. the government brought in the strictest laws in the world. people HAD to hand in their guns and the government payed them cash for doing it or go to jail..so existing guns were eliminated.

and what was the result-not a massacre since.

u need to live there to realise how impossible for the average person to get a gun illegally there. u need to be seriously hooked up.

wow until America wakes up and quits their gun loving ways and outdated constitutional baring arms bullshit these incidents will continue to go on and on..

eliminate guns- slowly eliminate these incidents...simple

I do agree that it's a start and would put a small dent in gun-related violence. I just don't feel that it addresses the larger issue, or could be considered an adequate solution to these incidents.

And the scope of gun availability makes it an absolutely impossible scenario to say, "Eliminate guns." It's just not gonna happen. Just like Prohibition, just like the war on drugs, a crackdown on gun ownership would only fuel the resistance.

Post: #83

While I do believe some sort of gun control should be implemented, there are just too many illegal guns floating around in this country. Although the guns in the crime were legal, I don't believe the person who used them was licensed to use them. ( If that is wrong then someone please correct me).

What was the mother doing with all those weapons to begin I think begs another question. I don't believe you need a mini arsenal for home defense.

Post: #84

Dude, Australia has less than 10% of the population of the US. Also if you look at the number of armed robberies and other crimes committed its hard to make the argument that it's even effective as a deterrent. There are laws about guns and schools now and those didn't do anything. The fact is that when someone is determined to cause mayhem, they will. Look at mcveigh as an example. I'm betting the people in tht federal building would have preferred there were guns instead of a homemade bomb. Look at all the biker gangs in oz. England too, a bunch of thugs cruising around doing whatever the fuck they want thumbing their nose at police.

Post: #85

(12-14-2012 10:53 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Dude, Australia has less than 10% of the population of the US. Also if you look at the number of armed robberies and other crimes committed its hard to make the argument that it's even effective as a deterrent. There are laws about guns and schools now and those didn't do anything. The fact is that when someone is determined to cause mayhem, they will. Look at mcveigh as an example. I'm betting the people in tht federal building would have preferred there were guns instead of a homemade bomb.

Good point. What people forget here is that who was responsible for this was a fucked up individual. A lunatic will do crazy things with whatever they can get their hands on.

Post: #86

(12-14-2012 02:00 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  Mexican drug cartels and criminal organizations kill for money, control and bitches. American omegas kill innocents because of pure resentment.
Which society is more fucked up?

Is that a serious question? The one that has organized crime openly destroying the country while the entity that's supposed to protect these people stands by impotently. MEXICO

Post: #87

(12-14-2012 10:53 PM)Fisto Wrote:  Dude, Australia has less than 10% of the population of the US. Also if you look at the number of armed robberies and other crimes committed its hard to make the argument that it's even effective as a deterrent. There are laws about guns and schools now and those didn't do anything. The fact is that when someone is determined to cause mayhem, they will. Look at mcveigh as an example. I'm betting the people in tht federal building would have preferred there were guns instead of a homemade bomb. Look at all the biker gangs in oz. England too, a bunch of thugs cruising around doing whatever the fuck they want thumbing their nose at police.

This can't be serious.

There so many mass killings that people on this forum are having trouble keeping track of them. The wide availability of guns obviously makes it easier to perpetrate these type of killings. Sensible gun control would undoubtedly help save lives.

Post: #88

How about some guards posted at schools? Would that save lives? And yes, I'm absolutely serious.

Post: #89

Remmeber - this guy was from Hoboken - a short and cheap train ride from the last well of slender pussy in America

Post: #90

(12-14-2012 11:15 PM)Fisto Wrote:  How about some guards posted at schools? Would that save lives? And yes, I'm absolutely serious.

Armed guards at every school, mall, movie theater, etc... in the country?

Are you trolling me?

Post: #91

(12-14-2012 11:19 PM)Easy E Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 11:15 PM)Fisto Wrote:  How about some guards posted at schools? Would that save lives? And yes, I'm absolutely serious.

Armed guards at every school, mall, movie theater, etc... in the country?

Are you trolling me?

Easy E, are you not aware that most malls, movie theaters etc do have armed guards or some form of security? Schools however do not. That's why they make easy targets.

And even if that weren't the case I'd prefer that over people like you just deciding to limit freedoms with the flick of their wrist without so much as a second thought.

So answer my question: Would posting guards at schools make them safer?

Post: #92

(12-14-2012 11:26 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 11:19 PM)Easy E Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 11:15 PM)Fisto Wrote:  How about some guards posted at schools? Would that save lives? And yes, I'm absolutely serious.

Armed guards at every school, mall, movie theater, etc... in the country?

Are you trolling me?

Easy E, are you not aware that most malls, movie theaters etc do have armed guards or some form of security? Schools however do not. That's why they make easy targets.

And even if that weren't the case I'd prefer that over people like you just deciding to limit freedoms with the flick of their wrist without so much as a second thought.

So answer my question: Would posting guards at schools make them safer?

This isn't outrageous. Some schools have metal detectors, and security walking the halls. Actually, I believe the NYPD has officers that may be assigned to some schools.

Post: #93

(12-14-2012 11:26 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 11:19 PM)Easy E Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 11:15 PM)Fisto Wrote:  How about some guards posted at schools? Would that save lives? And yes, I'm absolutely serious.

Armed guards at every school, mall, movie theater, etc... in the country?

Are you trolling me?

Easy E, are you not aware that most malls, movie theaters etc do have armed guards or some form of security? Schools however do not. That's why they make easy targets.

And even if that weren't the case I'd prefer that over people like you just deciding to limit freedoms with the flick of their wrist without so much as a second thought.

So answer my question: Would posting guards at schools make them safer?

You are not being realistic.

Most malls, movie theaters, and other public places have some form of security, but most don't have a cadre of armed guards because that is very expensive.

Same for schools since there are so many of them.

Also, what good is a rent-a-cop with pistol when some loon can just show up with an AR-15, several extra mags, a bullet proof vest, a helmet, and extra side arms?

You pro-gun people are just not realistic. It is pointless to talk to you people.

Post: #94

The next generation or the generation after it will no longer have massacres due to guns...I wouldn't be surprised if these mass murders are tiny compared to what will happen in each subsequent generation as technology improves. Instead of hearing about 10, 20, 30 people getting killed they will be hearing about thousands.

My friends always joke that if guns were legal in Cuba everyone would be dead. Sadly, it has a hint of truth to it. The amount of violence outside of America is far higher. The problem is in America they kill each other with weapons rather than fight with fists which rarely kills anyone.

Post: #95

(12-14-2012 10:22 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 09:59 PM)houston Wrote:  If you know where to get a sack of weed in America, you can get an illegal gun. Someone will know someone who knows someone.

Dude, this isn't really a good point. Pretty much everyone smokes weed now a days, I'm sure any high school kid in America can buy weed at school. How many gun dealers are slanging AK-47s in the bathroom at lunch time? Sure if someone wants a gun bad enough they will get their hands on one, but it sure as hell ain't as easy as buying a sack of weed.

You're in the weed capital of the country. The weed game is still an underground, illegal trade across most of the country. I don't know why you think it's not easy to get a throwaway? You don't have to be out in the streets and know all sorts of people. You know what I meant when I compared it to weed. It ain't a mission to get a gun if you want one and have a few hundred.

Post: #96

(12-14-2012 11:32 PM)Easy E Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 11:26 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 11:19 PM)Easy E Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 11:15 PM)Fisto Wrote:  How about some guards posted at schools? Would that save lives? And yes, I'm absolutely serious.

Armed guards at every school, mall, movie theater, etc... in the country?

Are you trolling me?

Easy E, are you not aware that most malls, movie theaters etc do have armed guards or some form of security? Schools however do not. That's why they make easy targets.

And even if that weren't the case I'd prefer that over people like you just deciding to limit freedoms with the flick of their wrist without so much as a second thought.

So answer my question: Would posting guards at schools make them safer?

You are not being realistic.

Most malls, movie theaters, and other public places have some form of security, but most don't have a cadre of armed guards because that is very expensive.

Same for schools since there are so many of them.

Also, what good is a rent-a-cop with pistol when some loon can just show up with an AR-15, several extra mags, a bullet proof vest, a helmet, and extra side arms?

You pro-gun people are just not realistic. It is pointless to talk to you people.

Let me guess, you believe in universal healthcare but don't believe in posting a couple cops at schools and letting private businesses pay for their own security. Yeah, it's "pro gun people" that are impossible to talk to.

Post: #97

South America has the most strict gun control laws in the world. How's that working out for them?

Post: #98

Where's the shooter's dad?

Post: #99

...south America is largely populated by non-first world countries. Why don't we compare South America with Africa then...that would be a fairer comparison.

Whereas comparing USA with Canada, Japan, UK, Germany, Norway, Switzerland, Australia makes a lot more sense.

Have you ever been in a house when its getting robbed...trust me when I say this it happens so fast that I doubt you or anyone on this forum is likely gonna be the big hero grabbing his gun and shooting the shit out of the robbers.

I was a little kid hiding under a kitchen table when a house I was in at the time was being robbed. Trust me when I say this, they took shit and got out of there. They didn't appear armed.

Guns in the house just promotes escalation as break and enters now have to control the victims otherwise they risk getting shot. So it leads to more weapons and worse situations.

The fuck do you need a gun in your car for like many people seem to carry. What are you gonna do when some ass hat who gets road rage comes over and knocks on your window, Put 9 in him with an oozy? No your going to drive away unless your equally moronic.

Post: #100

Fisto, I really don't believe that having armed guards at school would make them that much safer. I feel like that solution is on par with the "ban guns" solution. It might put a dent in the SYMPTOM, but it does nothing to address the PROBLEM.

We have to consider how much of a police state we really want. I would never feel comfortable dropping off my kids at a school where there were armed guards present. That said, I have absolutely no plans of raising children in the U.S.

As per usual, gun ownership discussions tend to get extreme and polarized real quick. This isn't a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario. There's a huge grey area, just like all of our civil rights. This isn't "right vs. wrong".

Do I believe in gun control? Fuck yes.

Am I for owning a gun? Fuck yes.

Do I think the U.S. properly implements gun control? Fuck no.

Everyone is hungry for a solution, but the solution to ending these murderous rampages is far more complex than simply addressing gun control. As Scorpion, myself and others have mentioned, we have a serious problem in this society with producing absolute psychopaths. This is not a singular problem; we are in the middle of a perfect storm of many factors that produces extreme violence on a regular basis.