Post: #26

PhilE all those ripped guys you posted look like they are juiced up hard on roids, but maybe they are blessed with extremely good genetics.

Post: #27

The best I can explain the ripped vs. Bruno Mars-ish guy is that maybe posing shirtless comes off as tryhard, and therefore women don't want to indulge in that obvious display... whereas the instagram photos are a little coy. Plus it's probably a snowball effect.

Post: #28

Do the best you can with your body and clothing style, and work on your friends and social circle.

Alternatively, get famous. I'm sure Steve Buscemi has no fucking problem at all pulling 9s.



No excuses.

Post: #29

(12-08-2012 10:45 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  Do the best you can with your body and clothing style, and work on your friends and social circle.

Alternatively, get famous. I'm sure Steve Buscemi has no fucking problem at all pulling 9s.



No excuses.

I like your example, because Buscemi (while one of my favorite actors), is a particularly ugly guy. However, I wonder if even he "has no fucking problem at all pulling 9s"... I can maybe see stupid hollywood wanna be actress sluts sleeping with him to try and improve their careers. But, while he is famous and has been in a bunch of stuff, he's not like pop-culture famous, he's more indie movie nerd famous. Anyhow, no need to overly nitpick points here. I guess what I'm getting at is even a guy like Buscemi with his fame and status still probably doesn't pull as many 9's as you might think, unless they are straight up gold diggers.

Post: #30

(12-08-2012 09:17 PM)PhilE Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 06:02 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Guys I'm a huge advocate of hitting the gym, and for sure I think having a nice physique will give you an edge, but I am really starting to think that it's not that much of an X factor, unless you are ridiculous ripped and have the perfect ratio of muscle mass to definition with a low body fat percentage. I'm going about 20 months straight at the gym, doing all the right lifts...

While I am in good shape and when wear the right clothes, you can tell I'm pretty buff, I still see plenty of dudes who are chubby or hella skinny that are pulling better quality than me. This could be chalked up to a lot of different factors, including my game not being as sharp as it should be, but I'll admit that I get frustrated when I see a scrawny tooth pick guy who probably only weighs 140 with a hot chick, when I know that I've put in mad work at the gym and easily have 40 pounds of muscle on the guy.

I know this all sounds very haterish, and I will admit it kind of is... I guess I'm just feeling hung over, shitty, and a little resentful after a frustrating night, last night. Not sure if this rant is in the proper thread or really warranted at all.

What I'm getting after is, being fit and in shape, won't make that much of a difference, unless you are as ripped as the Hodge Twins.

If you're going to hit the gym hard, do it for you, don't do it with the expectation that it will make you THAT much more attractive to women. It is merely one of many, many factors that will increase your chances with attractive women. To get ripped to shreds without steroids or amazing genetics, I think it will be a minimum 3 year commitment, probably more like 5.

Working out, especially in the urban community, creates BARE MINIMAL advantage if any at all. Thats right...if ANY AT ALL.

I want to show you guys a couple of pictures, here are two of my facebook friends who were both "skinny" in high school and did not do well with the ladies. hit the gym HARD...like 5 days a week hard and got huge and ripped. And you know how many women it increased for them....and i quote "just more bold fat bitches" Thats right it just increased the BOLDNESS of undesirable women.

Here is a picture of one of his facebook pics


I highlighted in red that he has 0 likes...thats right 0 LIKES. I saw this picture in my feed just like most of our 80+ mutual friends and guess what not a single one of the women liked it. I wont even waste time of how many likes a girls pic get

here is a second pic

now i highlighted that this picture to show that he did get likes...a whopping 2. Now it did get some comments from girls...2 fat girls and one average girl...thats it. Eating healthy, an hour in the gym every other day, tremendous sacrifice and discpline and for what???? To get 2 fat girls and an average chick?!?!?! wow...smh

Here is another friend of mine...who is even MORE RIPPED that my previous friend and lets guess how many likes or comments his MODELING PHOTO received...thats right MODELING PHOTO!


ZERO LIKES....ZERO COMMENTS!!!! WOW! Insane! Im not going to go deep to show you that he has a plethora of friends on Facebook so its not like he has only 20 friends on his account.

Here is another picture


This picture also got ZERO LIKES but did get some comments....lets see her, one fat white girl, one fat black girl and an ugly black girl. THATS IT!

And I see this in the hood all the time, guys who have Muscles but if it doesnt come with Money and/or whatever urban women are latching onto these days (this year its Swag, 15 years ago it was Thug Life)...your muscles are as pointless as a ejection seats on a helicopter

now i have another friend, he's like 6'4, 165lbs of skin and bones, yet he has pulled some of the hottest tail in the tristate area of Philly, NY, and NJ. Now he canceled his facebook because it was "getting him in trouble' but he still has an instagram. And i just want to show you how many likes he gets from a picture and 90% of the likes are from women and 20 % of the women are 7's are better!






i wish he didnt delete his facebook i wish i could show you pictures where there are literally women fighting over who likes him more, and these are 8s!!!!

My point is that working out is thing that adds "beauty" to you, but women don't VALUE "beauty" the same way men do, it so it has marginal affects when compared to when a woman adds "beauty" value to herself by working out which is a tremendous value adder for them.

You are comparing pictures on facebook of shirtless guys, this makes them look like tools, if you have a good body and show it of SUBTLETY, it is a definite advantage, it gives the impression you can pretect your loved ones, it shows you are fit and healthy, basically gives the impression of good genes, women are hardwired to seek these things; of course they are not going to be attracted to some poser fuckhead.

Post: #31

(12-08-2012 09:17 PM)PhilE Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 06:02 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Guys I'm a huge advocate of hitting the gym, and for sure I think having a nice physique will give you an edge, but I am really starting to think that it's not that much of an X factor, unless you are ridiculous ripped and have the perfect ratio of muscle mass to definition with a low body fat percentage. I'm going about 20 months straight at the gym, doing all the right lifts...

While I am in good shape and when wear the right clothes, you can tell I'm pretty buff, I still see plenty of dudes who are chubby or hella skinny that are pulling better quality than me. This could be chalked up to a lot of different factors, including my game not being as sharp as it should be, but I'll admit that I get frustrated when I see a scrawny tooth pick guy who probably only weighs 140 with a hot chick, when I know that I've put in mad work at the gym and easily have 40 pounds of muscle on the guy.

I know this all sounds very haterish, and I will admit it kind of is... I guess I'm just feeling hung over, shitty, and a little resentful after a frustrating night, last night. Not sure if this rant is in the proper thread or really warranted at all.

What I'm getting after is, being fit and in shape, won't make that much of a difference, unless you are as ripped as the Hodge Twins.

If you're going to hit the gym hard, do it for you, don't do it with the expectation that it will make you THAT much more attractive to women. It is merely one of many, many factors that will increase your chances with attractive women. To get ripped to shreds without steroids or amazing genetics, I think it will be a minimum 3 year commitment, probably more like 5.

Working out, especially in the urban community, creates BARE MINIMAL advantage if any at all. Thats right...if ANY AT ALL.

I want to show you guys a couple of pictures, here are two of my facebook friends who were both "skinny" in high school and did not do well with the ladies. hit the gym HARD...like 5 days a week hard and got huge and ripped. And you know how many women it increased for them....and i quote "just more bold fat bitches" Thats right it just increased the BOLDNESS of undesirable women.

Here is a picture of one of his facebook pics


I highlighted in red that he has 0 likes...thats right 0 LIKES. I saw this picture in my feed just like most of our 80+ mutual friends and guess what not a single one of the women liked it. I wont even waste time of how many likes a girls pic get

here is a second pic

now i highlighted that this picture to show that he did get likes...a whopping 2. Now it did get some comments from girls...2 fat girls and one average girl...thats it. Eating healthy, an hour in the gym every other day, tremendous sacrifice and discpline and for what???? To get 2 fat girls and an average chick?!?!?! wow...smh

Here is another friend of mine...who is even MORE RIPPED that my previous friend and lets guess how many likes or comments his MODELING PHOTO received...thats right MODELING PHOTO!


ZERO LIKES....ZERO COMMENTS!!!! WOW! Insane! Im not going to go deep to show you that he has a plethora of friends on Facebook so its not like he has only 20 friends on his account.

Here is another picture


This picture also got ZERO LIKES but did get some comments....lets see her, one fat white girl, one fat black girl and an ugly black girl. THATS IT!

And I see this in the hood all the time, guys who have Muscles but if it doesnt come with Money and/or whatever urban women are latching onto these days (this year its Swag, 15 years ago it was Thug Life)...your muscles are as pointless as a ejection seats on a helicopter

now i have another friend, he's like 6'4, 165lbs of skin and bones, yet he has pulled some of the hottest tail in the tristate area of Philly, NY, and NJ. Now he canceled his facebook because it was "getting him in trouble' but he still has an instagram. And i just want to show you how many likes he gets from a picture and 90% of the likes are from women and 20 % of the women are 7's are better!






i wish he didnt delete his facebook i wish i could show you pictures where there are literally women fighting over who likes him more, and these are 8s!!!!

My point is that working out is thing that adds "beauty" to you, but women don't VALUE "beauty" the same way men do, it so it has marginal affects when compared to when a woman adds "beauty" value to herself by working out which is a tremendous value adder for them.

This is doesn't prove anything. Your research is of four ripped guys on facebook and a skinny regular sky. Now take all four of them every day for a month to a bar, lounge, club, coffe shop, pizza shop, college campus, your campus, my campus, the beach, jones beach, your beach, his beach, rooftops, their rooftops, europe, mars and even pluto, then you come back to this forum and post your data sheet. I am sorry but your little experiment is as useless as going on a fifth date with a girl you never banged.

Post: #32

(12-08-2012 10:52 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 10:45 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  Do the best you can with your body and clothing style, and work on your friends and social circle.

Alternatively, get famous. I'm sure Steve Buscemi has no fucking problem at all pulling 9s.



No excuses.

I like your example, because Buscemi (while one of my favorite actors), is a particularly ugly guy. However, I wonder if even he "has no fucking problem at all pulling 9s"... I can maybe see stupid hollywood wanna be actress sluts sleeping with him to try and improve their careers. But, while he is famous and has been in a bunch of stuff, he's not like pop-culture famous, he's more indie movie nerd famous. Anyhow, no need to overly nitpick points here. I guess what I'm getting at is even a guy like Buscemi with his fame and status still probably doesn't pull as many 9's as you might think, unless they are straight up gold diggers.

While "Boardwalk Empire" has raised his overall fame a bit, before that, yes, he did largely indie flicks and character parts in mainstream films. Character actors that don't have leading man looks generally don't pull the cream - they pull the 6s and 7s. It's as if they live their whole lives under the radar - people recognize you, but don't make a big deal out of your presence.

Post: #33

(12-10-2012 10:07 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 10:52 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 10:45 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  Do the best you can with your body and clothing style, and work on your friends and social circle.

Alternatively, get famous. I'm sure Steve Buscemi has no fucking problem at all pulling 9s.



No excuses.

I like your example, because Buscemi (while one of my favorite actors), is a particularly ugly guy. However, I wonder if even he "has no fucking problem at all pulling 9s"... I can maybe see stupid hollywood wanna be actress sluts sleeping with him to try and improve their careers. But, while he is famous and has been in a bunch of stuff, he's not like pop-culture famous, he's more indie movie nerd famous. Anyhow, no need to overly nitpick points here. I guess what I'm getting at is even a guy like Buscemi with his fame and status still probably doesn't pull as many 9's as you might think, unless they are straight up gold diggers.

While "Boardwalk Empire" has raised his overall fame a bit, before that, yes, he did largely indie flicks and character parts in mainstream films. Character actors that don't have leading man looks generally don't pull the cream - they pull the 6s and 7s. It's as if they live their whole lives under the radar - people recognize you, but don't make a big deal out of your presence.

Buscemi doesn't need everybody to recognize him. He just needs one hot piece of ass in the room to recognize Mr. Pink from that movie that changed her life when she was 14, and where he lives in LA or NY, there is going to be one. He also writes and directs good movies, has tons of great stories about Quentin Tarantino and the Coen Bros., and was a New York firefighter. I'm sure Buscemi's ass pulling needs could be more than satisfied as long as he didn't internalize his own ugliness at a young age and get trapped in a marriage + hookers scenario.

And since when is "stupid hollywood wanna be actress sluts" wanting to sleep with you something to scoff at? Those are the hottest pieces of ass in the world. The Sultan of Brunei has a team he sends to LA to scout wannabe actress sluts and pay them half a million dollars to spend six months in his harem. Buscemi could pull that ass for free.

Fame trumps game by an unimaginable degree. Pauly Shore's gross lizardlike untalented 50 year old ass gets 19 year old pussy fresh off the Greyhound because they saw his face on the wall at fucking Blockbuster Video in Topeka as a kid. I'm not pulling that example out of my ass; I know the 19 year old stripper who got off a god damn bus from Topeka and fucked Pauly Shore.

On a related note: someone said an ugly guy's game is to become a lawyer or engineer and have high status. Wrong. Those people have high status to their tax preparer and to the leadership of their local Rotary club. Engineers, God bless them and their bridges, are about as close to easy pussy as the Earth is to fucking Jupiter. Ugly men: pick up a fucking guitar. Learn to be a DJ. Write, paint, sing-- as a wise man once said, dress as weird as possible and always have a crazy project going. Career type jobs, and especially the moment when you drop your allegedly high status career type job in conversation, dry up pussy faster than a maxi pad in one of those commercials with the blue liquid. Get in a stupid band. Live in an apartment where band skanks come over to get drunk. Don't sell out until the last possible moment. Your engineering degree will still be there when you're 35 and the basic rules of applied physics won't have changed.

Post: #34

(12-11-2012 12:28 AM)delicioustacos Wrote:  Get in a stupid band. Live in an apartment where band skanks come over to get drunk. Don't sell out until the last possible moment. Your engineering degree will still be there when you're 35 and the basic rules of applied physics won't have changed.

I hear you - fame and preselection trumps status.

But status is another workable angle.

Have a bunch of pretty girls on staff. Have any bunch of staff.

Or mix up fame and status. Be the top dog in a high profile business, such as a local restaurant or bar. Some old German dude has owned a high profile German restaurant and meat packing business in Bali for longer than I've been going there (18 years) and hires and fires the pretty wait staff. Mamas. That's fame and status.

Even just having an internet business that does well, with no staff and no preselection, can help a guy. There is status in being able to travel freely and spend as much money on whatever you want as you want. Having one or two nice apartments or townhouses and a traveling lifestyle with good food and a budget for some clothes shopping is appealing.

Being a cubicle drone of any status is still relatively low down on the totem pole. But owning your own business sets you apart. And owning your own successful business with employees sets you higher. And if some of those are hot chicks, that sets you higher still. And if it's a business where you meet people, that's mini local fame.

Post: #35

Steve Buscemi has been married since 1987. Considering his wife is 58, she could look much, much worse.

If he was single and playing though, there is no doubt that he could easily pull 9's and 10's.

You need to remember that women don't look at a rich or famous guy and think, "I don't like him much but he's rich/famous, so I'll bang him."
The money/fame/power has the same emotional effect of them as extremely good looks. They, in themselves, turn the girl on.
Sure, there are gold-diggers that consciously go out to look for rich men to play, but that's not the majority. Most women are turned on by the very fact he's rich or famous.
When the money disappears, so does she but that doesn't make her a gold-digger in the traditional sense described above. When the money's gone, the very thing that was making her wet is gone too, so she's not wet anymore and disappears.

If any of you think that Steve couldn't outpull you among any crowd but in the most remote parts of the world, you're deluding yourself.

Post: #36

(12-07-2012 09:56 AM)Smitty Wrote:  Yad

This

and social kenny who plays ugly girl game

Post: #37

I cant relate to being labeled an ugly guy. However, Ive seen guys go from being basicly nobodies because of their below average looks to sombodies once graduating from college and being in a career that affords them the opportunity to make good money. A 90K a year engineer in say, Atlanta, that used to be a nobody, can now buy a used Benz, go to the Gucci store and get some nice shit and occasionally buy a bottle in a club. He can hit the gym and get his body right or even afford to give a personal trainer a couple hundred for a few months to speed up the process of transforming his body. All of these things build confidence in a guy.

Telling somebody "man, i know these hoes be giving you a hard time dog....just become a rapper fool. All these bitches panties gone drop then" is ludicrous. Are you serious bro? Its not that easy to just become an entertainer with groupies. You gotta give people practical advice that can be implemented and that can effect change sometime in their lifetime.

And for the record, everybody working a 9-5 in corporate America is not some lame peon. A lot of times in PUA communities theres this implied idea that your either absolutetly the man or your a complete lame/nerd/zero. Thats not really the case in reality. Im not an engineer but I know a couple that were cool in college and that were members of frats that were getting women then and that get even more now that they have a comfortable life and whatnot.

Everybody is not coming from this place of being a former 20 something year old virgin that was ugly and spending his nights playing world of warcraft. "Ugly" confident guys get girls too. The ones that dont usually just need a little confidence booster which is usually connected to upgrading their lifestyle, body and wardrobe.

(12-11-2012 12:28 AM)delicioustacos Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 10:07 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 10:52 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 10:45 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  Do the best you can with your body and clothing style, and work on your friends and social circle.

Alternatively, get famous. I'm sure Steve Buscemi has no fucking problem at all pulling 9s.



No excuses.

I like your example, because Buscemi (while one of my favorite actors), is a particularly ugly guy. However, I wonder if even he "has no fucking problem at all pulling 9s"... I can maybe see stupid hollywood wanna be actress sluts sleeping with him to try and improve their careers. But, while he is famous and has been in a bunch of stuff, he's not like pop-culture famous, he's more indie movie nerd famous. Anyhow, no need to overly nitpick points here. I guess what I'm getting at is even a guy like Buscemi with his fame and status still probably doesn't pull as many 9's as you might think, unless they are straight up gold diggers.

While "Boardwalk Empire" has raised his overall fame a bit, before that, yes, he did largely indie flicks and character parts in mainstream films. Character actors that don't have leading man looks generally don't pull the cream - they pull the 6s and 7s. It's as if they live their whole lives under the radar - people recognize you, but don't make a big deal out of your presence.

Buscemi doesn't need everybody to recognize him. He just needs one hot piece of ass in the room to recognize Mr. Pink from that movie that changed her life when she was 14, and where he lives in LA or NY, there is going to be one. He also writes and directs good movies, has tons of great stories about Quentin Tarantino and the Coen Bros., and was a New York firefighter. I'm sure Buscemi's ass pulling needs could be more than satisfied as long as he didn't internalize his own ugliness at a young age and get trapped in a marriage + hookers scenario.

And since when is "stupid hollywood wanna be actress sluts" wanting to sleep with you something to scoff at? Those are the hottest pieces of ass in the world. The Sultan of Brunei has a team he sends to LA to scout wannabe actress sluts and pay them half a million dollars to spend six months in his harem. Buscemi could pull that ass for free.

Fame trumps game by an unimaginable degree. Pauly Shore's gross lizardlike untalented 50 year old ass gets 19 year old pussy fresh off the Greyhound because they saw his face on the wall at fucking Blockbuster Video in Topeka as a kid. I'm not pulling that example out of my ass; I know the 19 year old stripper who got off a god damn bus from Topeka and fucked Pauly Shore.

On a related note: someone said an ugly guy's game is to become a lawyer or engineer and have high status. Wrong. Those people have high status to their tax preparer and to the leadership of their local Rotary club. Engineers, God bless them and their bridges, are about as close to easy pussy as the Earth is to fucking Jupiter. Ugly men: pick up a fucking guitar. Learn to be a DJ. Write, paint, sing-- as a wise man once said, dress as weird as possible and always have a crazy project going. Career type jobs, and especially the moment when you drop your allegedly high status career type job in conversation, dry up pussy faster than a maxi pad in one of those commercials with the blue liquid. Get in a stupid band. Live in an apartment where band skanks come over to get drunk. Don't sell out until the last possible moment. Your engineering degree will still be there when you're 35 and the basic rules of applied physics won't have changed.

Post: #38

(12-11-2012 01:02 PM)theIVth Wrote:  I cant relate to being labeled an ugly guy. However, Ive seen guys go from being basicly nobodies because of their below average looks to sombodies once graduating from college and being in a career that affords them the opportunity to make good money. A 90K a year engineer in say, Atlanta, that used to be a nobody, can now buy a used Benz, go to the Gucci store and get some nice shit and occasionally buy a bottle in a club. He can hit the gym and get his body right or even afford to give a personal trainer a couple hundred for a few months to speed up the process of transforming his body. All of these things build confidence in a guy.

Telling somebody "man, i know these hoes be giving you a hard time dog....just become a rapper fool. All these bitches panties gone drop then" is ludicrous. Are you serious bro? Its not that easy to just become an entertainer with groupies. You gotta give people practical advice that can be implemented and that can effect change sometime in their lifetime.

And for the record, everybody working a 9-5 in corporate America is not some lame peon. A lot of times in PUA communities theres this implied idea that your either absolutetly the man or your a complete lame/nerd/zero. Thats not really the case in reality. Im not an engineer but I know a couple that were cool in college and that were members of frats that were getting women then and that get even more now that they have a comfortable life and whatnot.

Everybody is not coming from this place of being a former 20 something year old virgin that was ugly and spending his nights playing world of warcraft. "Ugly" confident guys get girls too. The ones that dont usually just need a little confidence booster which is usually connected to upgrading their lifestyle, body and wardrobe.

Yeah, I came off a little too extreme-- I didn't mean to disparage my fellow office drones. I just think having a Bohemian side and a creative project is the bullet train to the best pussy in your town. You don't have to be famous, just get to the point where your shitty band gets on stage once in a while and a couple people have heard of you.

Post: #39

(12-11-2012 06:28 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 09:56 AM)Smitty Wrote:  Yad

This

and social kenny who plays ugly girl game

She's Russian. They are not as looks-oriented.

A hot American girl would've ran out of there in a minute.

Maybe ugly guys should target foreign girls. That's what Krauser and all the day game guys based in London seem to do.

Post: #40

(12-11-2012 11:09 PM)Apollo2 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 06:28 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

(12-07-2012 09:56 AM)Smitty Wrote:  Yad

This

and social kenny who plays ugly girl game

She's Russian. They are not as looks-oriented.

A hot American girl would've ran out of there in a minute.

Maybe ugly guys should target foreign girls. That's what Krauser and all the day game guys based in London seem to do.

Wow, we still have guys with limiting beliefs about looks on this forum?

Post: #41

How well renowned is Yad in the PUA community? I know in many of his videos he refers to himself as "the Rockstar of Day Game."

Post: #42

(12-12-2012 02:57 AM)CMan0928 Wrote:  How well renowned is Yad in the PUA community? I know in many of his videos he refers to himself as "the Rockstar of Day Game."

He's very well known in London for his daygaming skills and contrary to what Apollo says above the daygaming guys in London don't just go for 'foreign' chicks, they go for hot/cute chicks regardless of their origin.

Post: #43

Oh man, here comes the swole denialists.

Post: #44

(12-10-2012 09:42 PM)Doulos2Game Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 09:17 PM)PhilE Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 06:02 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Guys I'm a huge advocate of hitting the gym, and for sure I think having a nice physique will give you an edge, but I am really starting to think that it's not that much of an X factor, unless you are ridiculous ripped and have the perfect ratio of muscle mass to definition with a low body fat percentage. I'm going about 20 months straight at the gym, doing all the right lifts...

While I am in good shape and when wear the right clothes, you can tell I'm pretty buff, I still see plenty of dudes who are chubby or hella skinny that are pulling better quality than me. This could be chalked up to a lot of different factors, including my game not being as sharp as it should be, but I'll admit that I get frustrated when I see a scrawny tooth pick guy who probably only weighs 140 with a hot chick, when I know that I've put in mad work at the gym and easily have 40 pounds of muscle on the guy.

I know this all sounds very haterish, and I will admit it kind of is... I guess I'm just feeling hung over, shitty, and a little resentful after a frustrating night, last night. Not sure if this rant is in the proper thread or really warranted at all.

What I'm getting after is, being fit and in shape, won't make that much of a difference, unless you are as ripped as the Hodge Twins.

If you're going to hit the gym hard, do it for you, don't do it with the expectation that it will make you THAT much more attractive to women. It is merely one of many, many factors that will increase your chances with attractive women. To get ripped to shreds without steroids or amazing genetics, I think it will be a minimum 3 year commitment, probably more like 5.

Working out, especially in the urban community, creates BARE MINIMAL advantage if any at all. Thats right...if ANY AT ALL.

I want to show you guys a couple of pictures, here are two of my facebook friends who were both "skinny" in high school and did not do well with the ladies. hit the gym HARD...like 5 days a week hard and got huge and ripped. And you know how many women it increased for them....and i quote "just more bold fat bitches" Thats right it just increased the BOLDNESS of undesirable women.

Here is a picture of one of his facebook pics


I highlighted in red that he has 0 likes...thats right 0 LIKES. I saw this picture in my feed just like most of our 80+ mutual friends and guess what not a single one of the women liked it. I wont even waste time of how many likes a girls pic get

here is a second pic

now i highlighted that this picture to show that he did get likes...a whopping 2. Now it did get some comments from girls...2 fat girls and one average girl...thats it. Eating healthy, an hour in the gym every other day, tremendous sacrifice and discpline and for what???? To get 2 fat girls and an average chick?!?!?! wow...smh

Here is another friend of mine...who is even MORE RIPPED that my previous friend and lets guess how many likes or comments his MODELING PHOTO received...thats right MODELING PHOTO!


ZERO LIKES....ZERO COMMENTS!!!! WOW! Insane! Im not going to go deep to show you that he has a plethora of friends on Facebook so its not like he has only 20 friends on his account.

Here is another picture


This picture also got ZERO LIKES but did get some comments....lets see her, one fat white girl, one fat black girl and an ugly black girl. THATS IT!

And I see this in the hood all the time, guys who have Muscles but if it doesnt come with Money and/or whatever urban women are latching onto these days (this year its Swag, 15 years ago it was Thug Life)...your muscles are as pointless as a ejection seats on a helicopter

now i have another friend, he's like 6'4, 165lbs of skin and bones, yet he has pulled some of the hottest tail in the tristate area of Philly, NY, and NJ. Now he canceled his facebook because it was "getting him in trouble' but he still has an instagram. And i just want to show you how many likes he gets from a picture and 90% of the likes are from women and 20 % of the women are 7's are better!






i wish he didnt delete his facebook i wish i could show you pictures where there are literally women fighting over who likes him more, and these are 8s!!!!

My point is that working out is thing that adds "beauty" to you, but women don't VALUE "beauty" the same way men do, it so it has marginal affects when compared to when a woman adds "beauty" value to herself by working out which is a tremendous value adder for them.

This is doesn't prove anything. Your research is of four ripped guys on facebook and a skinny regular sky. Now take all four of them every day for a month to a bar, lounge, club, coffe shop, pizza shop, college campus, your campus, my campus, the beach, jones beach, your beach, his beach, rooftops, their rooftops, europe, mars and even pluto, then you come back to this forum and post your data sheet. I am sorry but your little experiment is as useless as going on a fifth date with a girl you never banged.

In terms of women, the only thing that getting that ripped will help you to do is to improve your confidence. Girls like guys who look healthy, not huge. Guys like guys that look huge. Improve your body, but go for brad pitt from fight club, or that Jacob from the Twilight movies. Girls go crazy for that type of body. And those guys aren't jacked

Post: #45

I know that huge is not a guarantee for pussy. Girls do like guys that look healthy and athletic. But the point he was making makes no sense because he is talking about facebook "likes" seriously, facebook "likes".

In my best Allen Iverson Voice:
"Were are real live players and we are sitting here talking about facebook "likes". Not bangs where you put your dick inside a vagina but "likes". come on man."

Post: #46

(12-08-2012 07:42 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I disagree with good looks reducing the need for game.

Good looking guys get more offers, but they still need game to close. Without proper active game he won't get shit.

I've seen tons of handsome white men couldn't pull to save their lives.


However, learning some game is damn easy when you're attractive, due to near unlimited opportunities to practice. Once a good looking guy learns the basics of game, he fuck so much good looking poon most men will be wildly jealous.

I agree with this 100%, "Pulling the trigger" is something that is learned, you can be a good looking guy but having a conversation is different from pulling, even with a little bit of game they can pull.

But there is another factor I want to add into this. This might sound wierd but it is also an equalizer for ugly/normal looking guys. People that look very good tend to NOT learn game because they feel like they already have game by asking "what is your name", so for an ugly/average guy to even the odds their verbal game has to be tight.

Post: #47

I'll be the one to say that since beauty is so subjective there are no ugly guys or girls. I've seen fat chicks (something I would consider unattractive) who get more dick than most of us get pussy. Long story short I don't believe in good looking/ugly guy game. All of us attract different women which means that sometimes another guy attracts the woman we want. When that happens you can either let her go, let him fuck it up and hope to swoop in or figure out a way to elevate yourself above him. The only guys I've ever met who have had women throw themselves at them and then get laid regardless of game have been athletes and musicians. In each of those cases the women probably would have looked through them had it not been for those particular status symbols.

If you do think you're ugly then the best thing you can do for your game is to figure out a way to up your personal confidence. This could be a nice watch, some better shoes, some additions to your wardrobe, losing some weight or even changing your diet. I would advise against things like buying a fancy car or trying to buy your way into society. When you try to win favor by exuding a certain lifestyle, things can fall apart very quickly when you can no longer maintain that lifestyle.

Another good thing is to stop comparing yourself to other guys. You will never be able to offer physical characteristics that you don't have. It's also important to realize that most people don't share the physical characteristics with celebrities and if seen in their day to day lives, most celebrities would not appear that attractive.

In terms of running game, it helps to either find a niche of women who are attracted to you or at least your style/lifestyle because it is far less work involved with women who have pre-selected you. If you find yourself attracted to women who are not in your niche then you need a way to put yourself above the guys they are usually attracted to. If you fall into the later situation a lot then you need to be realistic in your expectations of the women you are attracted to. Yeah the punk rock chick with the tattoos who likes metal might be cute, but if you strut around town in a blazer, tailored slacks and loafers with no socks then it may be hard convincing her that appearances aside you two might actually click. If you find that you attract a certain type of woman who you are not interested in then you need to either accept it or do some self reflection.

IMO the women you go after are far more important than how you look or how strong your game is.

Post: #48

(12-10-2012 09:42 PM)Doulos2Game Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 09:17 PM)PhilE Wrote:  

(12-08-2012 06:02 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  Guys I'm a huge advocate of hitting the gym, and for sure I think having a nice physique will give you an edge, but I am really starting to think that it's not that much of an X factor, unless you are ridiculous ripped and have the perfect ratio of muscle mass to definition with a low body fat percentage. I'm going about 20 months straight at the gym, doing all the right lifts...

While I am in good shape and when wear the right clothes, you can tell I'm pretty buff, I still see plenty of dudes who are chubby or hella skinny that are pulling better quality than me. This could be chalked up to a lot of different factors, including my game not being as sharp as it should be, but I'll admit that I get frustrated when I see a scrawny tooth pick guy who probably only weighs 140 with a hot chick, when I know that I've put in mad work at the gym and easily have 40 pounds of muscle on the guy.

I know this all sounds very haterish, and I will admit it kind of is... I guess I'm just feeling hung over, shitty, and a little resentful after a frustrating night, last night. Not sure if this rant is in the proper thread or really warranted at all.

What I'm getting after is, being fit and in shape, won't make that much of a difference, unless you are as ripped as the Hodge Twins.

If you're going to hit the gym hard, do it for you, don't do it with the expectation that it will make you THAT much more attractive to women. It is merely one of many, many factors that will increase your chances with attractive women. To get ripped to shreds without steroids or amazing genetics, I think it will be a minimum 3 year commitment, probably more like 5.

Working out, especially in the urban community, creates BARE MINIMAL advantage if any at all. Thats right...if ANY AT ALL.

I want to show you guys a couple of pictures, here are two of my facebook friends who were both "skinny" in high school and did not do well with the ladies. hit the gym HARD...like 5 days a week hard and got huge and ripped. And you know how many women it increased for them....and i quote "just more bold fat bitches" Thats right it just increased the BOLDNESS of undesirable women.

Here is a picture of one of his facebook pics


I highlighted in red that he has 0 likes...thats right 0 LIKES. I saw this picture in my feed just like most of our 80+ mutual friends and guess what not a single one of the women liked it. I wont even waste time of how many likes a girls pic get

here is a second pic

now i highlighted that this picture to show that he did get likes...a whopping 2. Now it did get some comments from girls...2 fat girls and one average girl...thats it. Eating healthy, an hour in the gym every other day, tremendous sacrifice and discpline and for what???? To get 2 fat girls and an average chick?!?!?! wow...smh

Here is another friend of mine...who is even MORE RIPPED that my previous friend and lets guess how many likes or comments his MODELING PHOTO received...thats right MODELING PHOTO!


ZERO LIKES....ZERO COMMENTS!!!! WOW! Insane! Im not going to go deep to show you that he has a plethora of friends on Facebook so its not like he has only 20 friends on his account.

Here is another picture


This picture also got ZERO LIKES but did get some comments....lets see her, one fat white girl, one fat black girl and an ugly black girl. THATS IT!

And I see this in the hood all the time, guys who have Muscles but if it doesnt come with Money and/or whatever urban women are latching onto these days (this year its Swag, 15 years ago it was Thug Life)...your muscles are as pointless as a ejection seats on a helicopter

now i have another friend, he's like 6'4, 165lbs of skin and bones, yet he has pulled some of the hottest tail in the tristate area of Philly, NY, and NJ. Now he canceled his facebook because it was "getting him in trouble' but he still has an instagram. And i just want to show you how many likes he gets from a picture and 90% of the likes are from women and 20 % of the women are 7's are better!






i wish he didnt delete his facebook i wish i could show you pictures where there are literally women fighting over who likes him more, and these are 8s!!!!

My point is that working out is thing that adds "beauty" to you, but women don't VALUE "beauty" the same way men do, it so it has marginal affects when compared to when a woman adds "beauty" value to herself by working out which is a tremendous value adder for them.

This is doesn't prove anything. Your research is of four ripped guys on facebook and a skinny regular sky. Now take all four of them every day for a month to a bar, lounge, club, coffe shop, pizza shop, college campus, your campus, my campus, the beach, jones beach, your beach, his beach, rooftops, their rooftops, europe, mars and even pluto, then you come back to this forum and post your data sheet. I am sorry but your little experiment is as useless as going on a fifth date with a girl you never banged.

well ask this guy who STILL has problems with girls





he's ripped, he's tall, he's handsome and he still has problems with girls...and i bet his facebook probably resembles the ones i posted. you know why? See my explanation in this thread

but I can show you countless pictures of NON RIPPED, NON ATHLETIC black guys getting FAR more women than their muscular peers. its called EXTREME HYPERGAMY where women even forgo what they are usually attracted to for money/swag/thug/bad-boy/player etc...and its so bad in the black community that not even working out can even the playing field for you. But getting Swag/money/learning game can......

Post: #49

Don't forget location.

Girls preferentially fuck the out of town dude. You don't have to travel to a third world country to experience this. Even primate females have the mating strategy of having sex with males from outside of their troupe. It doesn't "count".

But ugly guys (like me) can help to have life closer to what average guys in their own countries experience by changing their location. No matter where you go, you'll still be at a relative disadvantage to others - you may still do crappy in any club where you are always the ugliest guy in the room - but you'll do better.

Location and logistics ARE game. They aren't substitutes for having bad game - they ARE game.

Post: #50

(01-05-2013 05:42 PM)DoctaWho Wrote:  I'll be the one to say that since beauty is so subjective there are no ugly guys or girls. I've seen fat chicks (something I would consider unattractive) who get more dick than most of us get pussy. Long story short I don't believe in good looking/ugly guy game. All of us attract different women which means that sometimes another guy attracts the woman we want

I honestly do not agree that beauty is subjective at all.

I believe if you get 10 guys and tell a group of a 100 women to rate them all in order there would be consensus.

It all comes down to how proportional your features are and how symmetrical your face is. Beauty is universal. Humans instinctively know beauty.

My peers often have no game and have little to say but they look decent and that's really all it is.