Post: #51

Update 3: Talked to two girls online this morning, both seemed suspicious and were a bit too open to meet me at my room to be non-pros. Went on a date with yesterday's girl, walked around for hours, ate local food where I was the only white person and a huge meal cost 4 bucks for two including drinks, visited a market etc. She paid for the really cheap meal which I appreciate as a gesture (even though I am out a total of maybe 40 bucks versus her 4). She got slightly touchy o the way back (arm on back for a few seconds here or there), I ignored it since Thais do not show affection publicly and I wanted her to feel safe. Ended up back in the hotel, more touchiness, she suggested I shower to "cool off", she came in under a pretense while I was toweling off, I took her on the bed without much resistance, unfortunately also without much participation and an unwillingness to do non-missionary which is a pity because she has an amazing behind (never seen that on an Asian girl before). She now wants to go away for the weekend to some beach resort. I am slightly cautious because I do not want to be tied (Thaied, ha!) up, however she speaks better English than most Thais, has a really nice body including ass (unlike most Thai "stick ladies") and is actually well-travelled and entertaining so I could end up having great sex for a few days (maybe her performance improves) but risk screwing myself out of other options.
On a side note: on my way home I met an Indian-descended guy who recognized my shirt and is from the same town like me. He was there with his girlfriend who is about as close to a 9 or 1 as I have ever seen and reminded me of how much I need to force myself to like Asians compared to other girls. It really is not natural to me (yet). Waiting for yellow fever to attack....

Post: #52

Man, I've done alright here in Thailand but I think my online game must be atrocious, lol.

What is you guys general MO for Thaifriendly et al?

I have:

-Profile with (I think) good pictures
-Lots of comments on it and the pictures, "ur handsoom" (lol) etc,
-A reasonably good profile I think. Basic 'I want to meet a nice girl in BKK', info about me, stuff I like, qualities I want in a girl, etc. Not playerish, not chodey (as far as I can tell)

I message girls, they seem very flakey, we chat and stuff but god it's alot of effort. It always seems to peter out and they go quiet either in the chat, or on skype, etc. So many will not come and meet, be shy, be busy. I can get some out for dinner or coffee sometimes and then pull them back, but I never get girls directly off TF to come to my apartment. what am I doing wrong?

Post: #53

(11-24-2012 03:35 PM)NewToPUA Wrote:  

(11-24-2012 12:50 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  NewToPUA, I wrote in the very first paragraph that I pay for drinks. Drinks and food is no problem, and would make you look bad I'd you didn't.

Ya I know. I wasnt so much disagreeing with you as I just wanted to make it more clear that paying for some things would definitely be the smart thing to do.

I didn't want him to get his hopes up and expect a rich girl to pay for everything. Even with wealthy girls from the region I personally think it is best to not risk coming across as cheap or poor - since many girls will view this as a huge loss of value.

I personally think it is cool you found a rich girl who wanted pay her way entirely but from my experiences its not super common. Further, not to be gay but you are a pretty good looking guy ( I think I remember seeing some pictures) and involved in mma so that probably gave you a different type of value than most guys traveling there. If you are an average looking young westerner and only there for a short trip, its probably best to do everything reasonable in your favor to improve your chances.

Food and drinks there are super cheap there and it is customary for guys to pay for it - don't feel beta at all for doing it.

Agreed. Especially the part about me being good looking lol.

Even with the rich chick, I generally pay. I enjoy her company and don't like letting girls pay for me.

Post: #54

directly to you place would indicate a semi-pro in my opinion. Have coffee or play dumb tourist for a bit... get them back to your place for reasons like needing your phone for sim cards, checking on something, having to change, shower (together...) are you in thailand right now?

Post: #55

I've had two girls come directly to my place. Neither were semi pros, but they were young. Both 19. I think they were new to banging farangs, and it was still exciting to them. Most girls will not do this. Id let them know you are not interested in paying for sex. If they are ok with that, might as well let them come over and bang em.

Post: #56

(11-25-2012 01:33 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  I've had two girls come directly to my place. Neither were semi pros, but they were young. Both 19. I think they were new to banging farangs, and it was still exciting to them. Most girls will not do this. Id let them know you are not interested in paying for sex. If they are ok with that, might as well let them come over and bang em.

How do you tell them you are not paying for sex with sounding like a dick?

Post: #57

In peru i just slipped in a story about 2 girls that acted very nice to me the whole night and then tried to get money out of me for sex and i make it clear i never paid for sex. This is a good way to indirectly ask that question and if they stick around they are answering it for you.

Post: #58

I am so jealous of you guys being in Thailand right now. I wish I could fly back now.... too bad i cannot take vacation until this summer.

The girls there really grow on you. They are very feminine and "caring" if you will. Most thai girls i knew would go out of their way to make you happy - when was the last time an american ONS would be cleaning your apartment when you woke up? That seriously happened to me several times haha.

Post: #59

(11-25-2012 01:33 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  I've had two girls come directly to my place. Neither were semi pros, but they were young. Both 19. I think they were new to banging farangs, and it was still exciting to them. Most girls will not do this. Id let them know you are not interested in paying for sex. If they are ok with that, might as well let them come over and bang em.

I am 38 years old, in Chiang Mai, and had a cute 18 years old girl from ThaiLoveLinks coming directly to my place too. No money asked.
She said she was too shy to meet a farang in a restaurant or bar ...

Post: #60

(11-25-2012 02:00 PM)murrb Wrote:  How do you tell them you are not paying for sex with sounding like a dick?

If you're at a place with pros or it's obvious she's a pro, don't be shy about saying it - they most certainly know the drill, and even if you make a mistake with the assumption, a girl in a spot known for pros will be used to the mistake.

Also, it's always best to bring it up early on before either of you waste too much time in the interaction. this saves you both some time and energy and cuts back on the chance she'll get pissed - which she might if she hangs out with you all night only to find out your not a customer.

Just lean in and say, "I don't pay for girls (lady, etc)." It certainly doesn't hurt to smile when you say this. Thais always cover discomfort with a smile, and the last thing you want is for her to think you're judging.

She'll say something like "never mind" or "mai bpen rai" or "it's ok." None of that means she's still going to sleep with you or wants to hang. You'll know soon enough though...If it's a deal-breaker, she'll slowly go cold or politely end the conversation soon after and walk away. She might even turn around and immediately warm up to some other guy.

If she's down with giving you a freebie, she'll just keep going and stay by your side.

If she goes home with you at that point, you're pretty much good. That said, if it still seems ambiguous or she seems drunk enough to have forgotten, bring it up again later.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #61

Update 4: Got a surprise call at 8am, girl from thaifriendly wanted to go sightseeing, agreed, survived 2 hours of heat, humidity and hordes of westerners. She was no better than a 5 or 6 but had the body of an 18 year old, braces and the entire "schoolgirl" look. We ended up at my place when it got too hot outside. she spoke close to zero English but was pretty direct once we were out of the public eye. Notch number 2 is in the books, will probably not see her again though as communication was difficult and she was a bit too dark for my taste. Tonight my "first girl" is going to introduce me to her sister, her sister's friend etc... not sure if I should go since we already had sex and doing her sister or friends might be a bit tasteless to them. If only I really was into Asian girls, this place would be gold.

Post: #62

(11-24-2012 04:14 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  There is the misconception that even if you don't pay a girl outright, that you end up buying her tons of shit and spending money anyways. only chumps do this. Not all Thai girls need money from you. It really isn't a country filled with low class whores, regardless of what some guys with no game will tell you.

I have been in Thailand back in 2010.

Yeah, not all Thai girls need money from you. But you'll spend a lot of time - and money - trying to find the few ones who wouldn't. Not every girl in Bangkok clubs has rich parents, and very few of those want to be seen (not to mention fuck) with a farang.

On the other side, when you can fuck a cute 18yo chick for the equivalent of $25, most people don't even bother to do anything else. So there maybe a market for that as well.

Post: #63

how would you guys rate this? She is a bit darker in reality but looked the same as in the photo otherwise. I am literally trying to will myself into yellow fever;-)

Post: #64

What does it matter what we "rate" her? Is she passing your boner test?

Post: #65

(11-26-2012 03:43 AM)Asaxon Wrote:  how would you guys rate this? She is a bit darker in reality but looked the same as in the photo otherwise. I am literally trying to will myself into yellow fever;-)

I'm on my like 25th asian, and I'm only now starting to get yellow fever. I was never a huge fan before, but after being on Khaosan Road and seeing and talking with so many gigantic white girls, I'm alrady starting to miss asians. Asian girls make white girls seem very masculine. I do still prize white girl boobs, but a petite body and some asian features are starting to really turn me on.

Post: #66

The rating question was because I honestly have no "scale" yet.trying to find my bearings. A lot of girls here have what I would consider "monkey feet" and rough hands... faces can be hit and miss. How is Khao San for picking up white girls? Easy or are they swarmed?

Post: #67

(11-26-2012 07:34 AM)Asaxon Wrote:  The rating question was because I honestly have no "scale" yet.trying to find my bearings. A lot of girls here have what I would consider "monkey feet" and rough hands... faces can be hit and miss. How is Khao San for picking up white girls? Easy or are they swarmed?

The ratio is bad, but its mostly backpackers with no game. I started off bad, I ended up opening 3 American girls, talked to them and their masculine personalities came out. It's a big reason I'm meeting up with a local girl tonight

Post: #68

(11-26-2012 07:34 AM)Asaxon Wrote:  The rating question was because I honestly have no "scale" yet.trying to find my bearings. A lot of girls here have what I would consider "monkey feet" and rough hands... faces can be hit and miss. How is Khao San for picking up white girls? Easy or are they swarmed?

I went to Khao San Road one night and didn't think it was too bad, but its about the farthest thing you can get from authentic Thai in BKK. Also, I think its a bit overblown how fat the western women are there, you'll see a few land whales for sure, but I also saw a lot of very good looking women, many of them with little on. I was there with a girl so didn't have a chance to meet any of the farang women.

Post: #69

Here is a trick I use to get girls from online sites to come over.

When chatting with them I always talk about how much I work (not true) and how I am to tired to go out but I want to see them. Then I ask if they like scary movies. Almost all thai girls love scary movies, thailand makes tons of scary movies. I tell them i am going to stay home tonight but I want them to come over and watch a scary movie with me. It has worked like a charm for me.

I would assume this works best if you have a condo/apartment and not a hotel.

Post: #70

Asaxon: Keep coming with your updates bro. What do you mean by monkey feet lol?

How's your night and day game going too?

Scotian: Yeah, you can find some western women at The Club in Khao San. Don't remember much though. Close by along Rambuttri Road there are in fact many Thai clubs, so you guys can try those too.

Post: #71

These chicks for sure grow on you. My first few weeks there I was looking for backpacker snatch. Wasn't till I was down in Phuket that I first experienced an Asian girl which led to the yellow fever and a loss of all interest in the fatty westerners. January 21st can not come soon enough see you soon Bkk.

Post: #72

Update 5:
Had a semi-relapse night last night (by that I mean a date without much sex potential): I went out with my first notch who happened to bring her sister and then met the sister's German friend (guy, mid 30s, fairly nice). We pretty much just hung out at a rooftop bar, talking and having an alright time without much of a chance to get anything going after dinner since my "date" would go home with her sister. I guess I ended up being her meal ticket (at $30 for 2 entrees, appies, 4 beers, two cocktails I guess I should not mind). I really feel that the culture here is more traditional in the sense that women do expect the guy to pay and it would be a loss of face if he did not, however, they also "pamper" you during meals. She constantly fussed over my glass, refilling it, letting me try her food, handing me napkins etc etc.
After dinner the girls left since it was a workday the next morning. The German guy and I started talking, walked back and ended up going to a few streetside bars and eventually soi cowboy, sex tourist heaven. We went to a country bar where 60 year old westerners wore ripped jeans and acted pretty much like giddy teenagers while being swooned over by bargirls. The best part was the band: 70 year old Asians in skinny jeans singing Bon Jovi with a heavy, HEAVY accent (" is mah laaaaah a is naaao o neeeevelllllll, a ain goona li fohhh evellll"). It was hilarious to watch... on the way back I got touched and ass-slapped by dozens of hookers along Sukhumvit road and pinched by an aggressive beggar. You really need to shower every time you come home here. I now have a set of "inside only" clothes to feel clean while in my room. Everything you wear out gets soiled by the dirty sidewalks, walls, people, smoke from roadside barbecues etc. I am now off to a "coffee date" with a Chinese-descended lady in a mall. She would not tell me her age but I suspect she is a good 10 to 15 years older than me, looking slim and good in her pics though. She likes to play the "I am sophisticated and just looking for friends" card. Let's see how that goes. I doubt I will get her back to my room today but you never know.

Post: #73

"moneky feet" are feet that look bent or disfigured. I guess Thais walk barefoot a lot and do not have the pedicured look you get in the west.

Post: #74

You guys will have to excuse me but this thread reads like every other BKK thread on the forum. The place is actually very easy to grasp but the intel is getting spread out.

Post: #75

@vicious: and what is the harm in it? Things change over time and everybody's experience is slightly different...