Post: #76

You can buy Range Rovers cheap once they are out of warranty...

That should tell you something.

Post: #77

(11-02-2012 07:10 AM)pitt Wrote:  Why not? I dont get it.

The majority of guys that drive expensive cars may not approach but i have seen guys who drive expensive cars approaching while driving.

Grown men don't need cars to pull. 22 year olds in a leased 3-series drive around shouting at girls on the street. 48 year old guys in Ferraris with a mid-life crisis in tow drive up and down the trendy ave waiting for people to notice them. Sad.

There are a few times nice cars help. Valeting, as people are always ogling cool rides. Leaving with girls, for obvious reasons. Picking a chick up for a date when she doesn't know much about you. Random occurrences, maybe a girl at the gym sees you getting out of it or you're chatting up someone walking out of the store.

It's a far better investment to improve yourself and your game, cars are down on the ladder and should be because YOU enjoy nice things (and can afford them), not to impress chicks. And make sure your life is balanced. If you have a 60k car and a tiny, plain apartment/house because most of your check goes to a car payment, you look silly.

Post: #78

Some girls are actually smart enough to see high-end luxury cars and expensive houses for what they really are. Some girls can't read between the lines and that is why having these cars and houses can help some guys out, although the extent to which they help is debatable. When I see an expensive house or a high-end luxury car, I definitely do not think "wealth." I definitely do not think "success." I think debt. I think overfinanced homes and cars which are depreciating in value by the second. I think serious financial problems and the prevalence of bankruptcy which are keeping bankrupcty attorneys in business. Unfortunately, I don't practice bankruptcy law and I never will. Some girls can see the reality and some can't.

I understand that some people actually pay cash for these assets. Many people who do pay cash do so at the expense of their other personal obligations and incur some of the same financial problems as their friends who acquire those assets through financing.

There is a minority of people, I cannot state the exact percentage of this minority, who are insanely wealthy and can acquire a new Ferrari and an expensive house by paying in cash and by hardly making a dent in their savings. Such people may even be well advised to buy the car and the house. It can't really hurt them. It can only help. For everyone else out there, I believe it would be much smarter to pay for everything in cash and refrain from buying high-end cars and houses. The smarter investement, at least for the majority of people, would be in a gym membership, clothes, books (including but not limited to those written by Roosh), and maybe even a dating coach. As long as you are paying in cash and not incurring any debt like most of the people with Ferraris and expensive houses, you really can't lose.

Post: #79

(11-02-2012 03:13 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  Some girls are actually smart enough to see high-end luxury cars and expensive houses for what they really are. Some girls can't read between the lines and that is why having these cars and houses can help some guys out, although the extent to which they help is debatable. When I see an expensive house or a high-end luxury car, I definitely do not think "wealth." I definitely do not think "success." I think debt. I think overfinanced homes and cars which are depreciating in value by the second. I think serious financial problems and the prevalence of bankruptcy which are keeping bankrupcty attorneys in business. Unfortunately, I don't practice bankruptcy law and I never will. Some girls can see the reality and some can't.

I understand that some people actually pay cash for these assets. Many people who do pay cash do so at the expense of their other personal obligations and incur some of the same financial problems as their friends who acquire those assets through financing.

There is a minority of people, I cannot state the exact percentage of this minority, who are insanely wealthy and can acquire a new Ferrari and an expensive house by paying in cash and by hardly making a dent in their savings. Such people may even be well advised to buy the car and the house. It can't really hurt them. It can only help. For everyone else out there, I believe it would be much smarter to pay for everything in cash and refrain from buying high-end cars and houses. The smarter investement, at least for the majority of people, would be in a gym membership, clothes, books (including but not limited to those written by Roosh), and maybe even a dating coach. As long as you are paying in cash and not incurring any debt like most of the people with Ferraris and expensive houses, you really can't lose.

That's it most people live there Life to impress other's but that is just stupid since no one actualy really gives a shit about how rich you are ore which Car you drive.

Having Wealth and a nice Car great Mansion ect is cool if you cane afford it and actualy enjoy it if not you're money is better spend somewhere else.

There is German, Jewish American Billionaire called Nicolas Bergguen this Guy is worth 2,5 Billion Dollars and choose to live Location Independet. He soled everything except his G5 Privat Jet offcourse that is another Level of Money but do you think He dates ugly Girls ? Ore that he need's to show of something ore impress Girls ?

He is Singel and doesen't have Kids baysicly Lives the Life and makes a Ton of money doing it while Dating and fucking hot Girls.
Here is an Article about him. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/201...illionaire

Post: #80

(11-03-2012 05:10 AM)SelfPaid Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 03:13 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  Some girls are actually smart enough to see high-end luxury cars and expensive houses for what they really are. Some girls can't read between the lines and that is why having these cars and houses can help some guys out, although the extent to which they help is debatable. When I see an expensive house or a high-end luxury car, I definitely do not think "wealth." I definitely do not think "success." I think debt. I think overfinanced homes and cars which are depreciating in value by the second. I think serious financial problems and the prevalence of bankruptcy which are keeping bankrupcty attorneys in business. Unfortunately, I don't practice bankruptcy law and I never will. Some girls can see the reality and some can't.

I understand that some people actually pay cash for these assets. Many people who do pay cash do so at the expense of their other personal obligations and incur some of the same financial problems as their friends who acquire those assets through financing.

There is a minority of people, I cannot state the exact percentage of this minority, who are insanely wealthy and can acquire a new Ferrari and an expensive house by paying in cash and by hardly making a dent in their savings. Such people may even be well advised to buy the car and the house. It can't really hurt them. It can only help. For everyone else out there, I believe it would be much smarter to pay for everything in cash and refrain from buying high-end cars and houses. The smarter investement, at least for the majority of people, would be in a gym membership, clothes, books (including but not limited to those written by Roosh), and maybe even a dating coach. As long as you are paying in cash and not incurring any debt like most of the people with Ferraris and expensive houses, you really can't lose.

That's it most people live there Life to impress other's but that is just stupid since no one actualy really gives a shit about how rich you are ore which Car you drive.

No one gives a shit about how rich you are or what car you drive? I know this is the case in many countries in Europe but let me tell you something, in latin america, driving an expensive car will increase your number of lays and in many cases you will have women approaching you or they will just make it ridiculously easy for you.

There are countries where when you have real money, people will be kissing your ass. People aint chasing dollars for no reason, they know the power of dollar.

Post: #81

rich people buy assets, poor people buy liabilities

hope your buddy doesn't fall for the trap of new money

Post: #82

@pitt - right on spot! i'm east european who has left a big part of his life in latin america. the same goes for both regions. while i do agree with you, it also does draw some unwanted attention your way. robberies, racketeering, corruption, false accusations, ...

Post: #83

i got two very close buddies. both self made millionaires in their early 30's. one serbian. he's big time into the casino business. making equipment, software and shit for casinos. from vegas to macau. the other is american. into financial markets, but in fact a natural born salesman. both guys are real alphas and they get laid all the time

none of them brags about their wealth. actually the american goes on dates in an old honda civic that barely ignites

Post: #84

(11-01-2012 10:02 PM)Sorter Wrote:  I second John Galt2's experiences. I drive very nice cars, because I love them and they're a reward for hard work. I have a really nice house. But, having those things doesn't get you anywhere. You don't mention what kind of car you drive or how much your house cost when you're out chatting up chicks. If you do (and I've heard it hundreds of times), you're pathetic. You need game to get laid, period.

I've had dozens of chicks get into my car, look around and say surprised "wow this is really nice" and then admit they have no idea what kind of car it is. Certainly they recognize a nice, newer clean car over a POS and they might register a Mercedes over a Honda. But I'd bet most girls (gold diggers excluded) couldn't tell the difference between a 5-series BMW, an S-class Mercedes or a Bentley Flying Spur (price ranges of 50k to 200k). And you can forget about AMG, M or other tuned variants, only gearheads respect that extra oomph. Exotics (Ferrari, Lambo, Astons, Mclaren) are great as a second ride, but they attract the wrong kind of attention and are finicky (not to mention difficult to get insured).

The house is a deal closer. A girl sees you have your shit together, a nice car, big house and you don't say anything stupid it's a walk in the park. But you never reach that point without game. Be prepared to get some clingers and wrap it up twice, they *all* see dollar signs.

Lastly, most of the flashiest guys you see are running on credit or borrowed time. True wealth is almost always low key.

Favorite example: moved to a wealthy area and had an office downtown. Used to see a guy rolling around in a different exotic every day of the week or a chauffeured Rolls. In a flashy place, he stood out, very hard to do. One day he comes shooting by in a blue Bugatti and I flipped my shit because I had never seen one on the road ($1.5m). I looked into the guys business, his background and I told my colleagues "that dude's up to something". He had multi-million dollar houses all over town, a dozen cars, it was ridiculous. Nobody making legit money blows it that fast because it's damn hard to make and you don't know how long it will last. Nearly 18-months to the day he was on CNBC, giant fraud now behind bars.

You talkin about Timothy Dunham? I remember seeing him on a show about the superrich, and thinking man this guy seems overly obsessed with cars. You can always tell the con artists from the legits by their prolish obsession with toys.

Post: #85

You will get a lot of attention that is for sure from gold diggers mostly. Also, I would not recommend your friend spending all of his money on a lambo if it is just for an image because it won't matter if you are driving a lambo if you are going back to a shit apartment. If you have a really successful business and it is raking in a lot of money than you can afford that lifestyle but pretending to be rich is not a good idea.

In my opinion I think is not a great way to meet women because it already sets an expectation with the women right off the bat and usually girls will not want to have one night stands with you because they want to be your "long-term, girlfriend" aka gold digger. I say use the money to improve on style first because that is important and then worry about the extras later.

Post: #86

travel, enjoy some good food and wines, do the tango/salsa/samba and martial arts. become the real player

luxury stuff draws attention you don't want. from tax men to gold diggers

Post: #87

Is it just me, or isn't this whole idea of getting things to impress women and/or wondering and postulating about what they might or might not like-in and of itself putting you on an extremely Beta trajectory? Even if it does "pay off" you paid too much to get there , thus wiping out any ROI and putting you in the red in as far as your game quotient. You lost before you even began.

Post: #88

(10-31-2012 12:18 PM)Ehnulo Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 01:10 PM)presidentcarter Wrote:  #2 My friends had picked up two girls at a club in Miami. They were walking back to their hotel when I get drove up next to them in a convertible Lambo and asked the girls if they wanted a ride. The girls turned to my friends, said "Sorry" and jumped in the Lambo dude's car.

That said, I probably would not do that. You are talking dropping 1M+ on the car and pad. What I would do is one of the following:

2. What I really would do...spend that money to try and figure out how to become famous. Or pay someone to do it. Just being mildly famous will get you much more than a car or condo. Think about it...you just stand there and girls approach you. Fame is the only way that happens consistently.

Buying a nice house is not throwing money into a hole (houses are assets). Car's lose money so those are definitely money drains, but maybe still worth it if their pulling power is that strong. They still sell for something and have more value than girl magnets.

Buying escorts is a real loss of money. Spend $300, get laid to a hot girl. Cool but at the same time you didn't benefit much in the long term. I think my friend sees it as a once or twice a month thing (I do)

What we're trying to figure out is the cost of the nice car + other accessories vs starting a small porn company or something similar. The "spending money on celebrity" idea is cool too, just not sure how to implement that.

You sure you and your "friend" aren't one and the same? You sound like you should be rappin, " He is I and I am him, slim with the tilted brim...." lol Man, it's always a loss when you buy things to impress girls. Period.

Post: #89

(10-31-2012 07:00 PM)Menace Wrote:  There have been videos posted of nobody's surrounded by a bunch of people at a mall and fake security, and this made girls interested in them. Do the same thing. Would be really cheap. Hire some starving artists and some big body guard dudes. Should be easy.

That's tight man. Post some of the videos on here if you can.

Post: #90

I'd rather hire full time wing men and online dating scouts and fly girls in to see me and arrange tours filled with pipelined dates than spend money on an expensive quick to depreciate high maintenance car.

And I don't understand the hate against "gold diggers", or even the definition of them. Who really cares what they are after, as long as you don't give it to them unless you want to? The question is do they give you what you are after.

"Oh, obvious money will attract gold diggers" is the same thing as "Oh, obvious money will attract a larger percentage of the hot female population than no obvious money".

Personally I'm not into the hunt for the sake of the hunt - I'm all about the kill. I'd use money to pay other guys to do most of the hunting grunt work, and I'd just waltz in and take the final stab.

And like Menace wrote, it's not just females that give a guy social proof. Having a posse of security men around you is attractive. And so is entourage game, especially if you are the leader. So hire a social staff. It's basically what some rock stars do - have their hangers on who they pay to afford them to not work hanging around at a real job. And so the notion of professional wing men - guys on salary paid to have you be the leader of the pack, AND who know how to pull in girls to the circle, with deference of first choice to the leader.

I'm sure plenty of guys would enjoy a stint at that gig. And if he's big with money, there is no reason why that couldn't be a job worth staying at.

That's my future plan.

There is more than one type of game, and there is no such thing as cheating.

Post: #91

lifestyle over items any day

Post: #92

I'm 31 and a Ferrari [F430 Spider] owner in DC. I can tell you first hand that flaunting your health so aggressively may actually HURT your game.

Now, I live in DC/metro so I can only speak for my experience around here. Las Vegas/ LA - totally different game.

Girls that see you driving around the car will assume that you have are trying to compensate for something. I've caught so many chicks next to me at red lights mouthing 'douchebag' to themselves as they look at the car in disdain.

Here's the other problem - Competition. Ferrari makes works of art. They make automobile perfection. Chicks spend two hours getting ready and try so hard... ... When they see the car they find it threatening because, well... they can't compete.

Here's the biggest problem - bitch dudes and haters. I find it hard to drive the car without little faggorts yelling hateful shit. Once you park the ride and roll into the club you have to battle all the haters. Too much energy.

DC wealth is understated, mature. You can't flaunt your shit here because you will stick out like a sore thumb and get attention overload.

When you drive a Ferrari, you become 'the Ferrari guy.' You could be the biggest playboy (like Roosh) but people will always know you ask 'the guy that has a Ferrari.' c

Here's the killer - though. This is the real mackdaddy trick. Date a girl and don't mention ANYTHING about the car. 2-3 weeks in...pick her up in your F-car. She will think you are Jay-z. It's game over after that.

Post: #93

(01-29-2013 01:29 AM)searayray Wrote:  I'm 31 and a Ferrari [F430 Spider] owner in DC. I can tell you first hand
Here's the killer - though. This is the real mackdaddy trick. Date a girl and don't mention ANYTHING about the car. 2-3 weeks in...pick her up in your F-car. She will think you are Jay-z. It's game over after that.

Bingo. Effortless Attraction: The guy who has it, but doesn't need to boast about it or show them off up front. They're just an ordinary part of his lifestyle that she may or may not see at a later date.

Few things are more attractive to women than a man who can internalize that kind of lifestyle game. It requires him to tone done the showmanship, which is something only a very confident, self-assured man (with nothing to prove) can do consistently.

This ought to be the end goal for all who desire to practice lifestyle game.

Post: #94

(01-29-2013 02:50 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 01:29 AM)searayray Wrote:  I'm 31 and a Ferrari [F430 Spider] owner in DC. I can tell you first hand
Here's the killer - though. This is the real mackdaddy trick. Date a girl and don't mention ANYTHING about the car. 2-3 weeks in...pick her up in your F-car. She will think you are Jay-z. It's game over after that.

Bingo. Effortless Attraction: The guy who has it, but doesn't need to boast about it or show them off up front. They're just an ordinary part of his lifestyle that she may or may not see at a later date.

Few things are more attractive to women than a man who can internalize that kind of lifestyle game. It requires him to tone done the showmanship, which is something only a very confident, self-assured man (with nothing to prove) can do consistently.

This ought to be the end goal for all who desire to practice lifestyle game.

There was a thread about class recently, and someone linked to the amazon page for a book about class differences. Excerpts of it were available through amazon, and the author mentioned a very interesting class difference; that the upper class are the most secure and confident in their class, and so have the least need to show off.

That echoes what just said. I've been trying to be mindful of subtle changes in attitude also.

It curious, because douchebaggery, or ostentatious displays of value can work. Maybe it's also a matter of the target audience. For a high society girl, you need to put out the right social signals.

And while one strategy is to fake it until you make it, externalizing the body language of confidence to then internalize the attitude, the other attitude is to make it until you make it. Change your whole life around until success seeps into your very being, and you live that life and walk that walk and talk that talk and can feel confident like it's all no big deal. For guys who aren't masterful actors, this might actually be easier to do than faking it.

Doing both at the same time might be ideal, but I wonder if excellent game can be equal to excellent game plus genuine objective high value.

They say that narcissists are good at attracting women, but not good for keeping them around, as eventually women see through the mask. So maybe for one night stands, the fake it until you make it attitude is plenty fine. But for long term congruence I think a guy should also keep putting in the effort to work on his externalities - lifestyle, income, fitness, social circle, and all the areas women place value on - even all the provider areas.

And it's a curious subtle difference in body language, between the new money guy at the atm and the old money guy. One is enthused and is emanating "look at me, yahoo, I'm a baller!". The other is just doing his thing. The old money guy is not exactly more humble - he knows his station. He's just more secure.

Post: #95

The more he focuses on his money the more he will project a "provider" mentally and the women will withhold sex in return for a "relationship". Also, you can't take a Ferrari into a club or bar. Money is the icing on the cake. Game is the cake. I know a lot of guys with a lot of money that don't get shit. Personally, I got more girls when I had no money than when I did. When you have money you tend to use that to attract women instead of using yourself. Sure, money will always attract women because it represents security but then you will never know if the woman is with you because of your money or because she really likes you.

Read the Provider vs Lover doc I've attached by DeAngelo.

Post: #96

What I'd do in this spot is I'd purchase a nightclub or one of those bars that has 8s and 9s dress up in skimpy clothes. Personally I'd go for something like the Tilted Kilt since I love sports betting. You own one of those things then you have all the chicks who work there basically falling into your lap because of your status owning the place and bossing them around. I plan on doing this in the next 10-15 years if I can manage to put together enough money. Need a net worth of 1mm after buying it though in order to afford maintaining it, etc. The best thing too is you get them all coming to apply for the job and you get to be the one to decide to hire them or not, it's like you get to choose your own talent. Then you just hire somebody with a lot of restaurant/bar experience to run the rest of the place. If you are super rich it might even be worth it if it's losing money each year.

Post: #97

(01-29-2013 04:08 AM)Nomad77 Wrote:  The more he focuses on his money the more he will project a "provider" mentally and the women will withhold sex in return for a "relationship".

I know that's the theory, but does it always have to be a matter of black and white polarity? Are there guys who pull off a rich-lover-of-women vibe? Who use both the black and white keys on the piano as if they were not two distinct playing areas? An artist who uses incorporates all the colors of the palate into one seamless whole? Is it really about being a provider OR a lover? Is it binary?

Quote:Sure, money will always attract women because it represents security but then you will never know if the woman is with you because of your money or because she really likes you.

That is how men think, yes. But for women, money is a personality trait. Have you ever been more attracted to a woman because of her tits? Were you loving her just for her tits? For men, tits are part of the woman. How about if a woman gets fat? Are we not loving her for her real self if we lose attraction when she gets fat?

I know men have an impossible time trying to empathize with how women view money and men, because for us the notions are distinct. It's the same man whethere he's broke or rich.

But let's look at women's actions. How many lose attraction to her man after he loses his job?

For women, money and the man are indistinct, in the same way that for men an attractive figure and the woman are indistinct.

I'm aware of the dogma surrounding the notion of avoiding showing provider traits. I just think it's overly polarised and throws the baby out with the bathwater. Provider traits can be leveraged into lays and stronger LTRs. Yes, even same night lays. I've done it several times - especially with what I call the "beta bait and switch".