Post: #26

I have no idea, but I wish I bought apple stock a long time ago. goddamn.

Post: #27

(10-30-2012 08:28 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  I fucking hate that shit. In college its all the time. I cannot count the times bitches have been on the phone when I was out with them. I turn my fucking phone off and put it away giving my full attention. They could at least do the same.

Stop bitching and take action. I do like Samseau and take away their phone. I'm a little more subtle - 'What kind of phone is that - let me take a look.' She hands it over. I turn it off and put it in my pocket.

One of the hotter girls I met off OKC gave me a ton of shit for it, to the point where I thought I nuked my chances of getting laid. Later, after some great sex, she told me that was a 'turning point' for her.

Post: #28

(10-30-2012 08:17 AM)Neo Wrote:  I've deactivated(deleted?) my facebook and I go for days with my cell phone off. At times, people have thought I was dead.

This throws girls a curveball every time. The last few girls I've banged have said something along the lines of 'Can you just tell me you're not much of a texter? I get confused when you don't respond.' It takes me days to respond, or sometimes not at all. The thing is it's not even a game on my part, I get extremely annoyed when my phone is getting blown up with texts/emails/bullshit so I put it away for a few days.

The last few girls I've banged do not know my last name, any of my friends, or even where I live. Giving all this information is completely unnecessary. Giving her your facebook/lots of information just dries up the pussy.

The sense of urgency described above is also very real, and I use it to my advantage.

I'm liking the idea behind this more and more.

I picked up this chick in a restaurant bar last month who'd just gotten divorced recently. After the first night of bang bang, she was sending me texts and I was taking a long time to get back to them, etc. She wanted to come hang out and I said I was busy working - next time we hung out she was whining to me about how she'd never had a guy "turn her down" before and was feeling so frustrated, etc. Attention whore on the pussy pedestal.

This woman was a rich, extremely hot run-way model-looking type (though I'll admit possibly a little skinny for a lot of your tastes on here, like most runway models are). It really threw her for a loop, and if I was to really analyze what happened, I think a big part of it was the hours that went by without returning text messages. The virutal aloofness.

Before I knew it she was texting me to say she's down the street from my house and wants to go get some wine - should she pick me up? It's like she was in a frenzy.

Later on, when I got a little more punctual with text messages, that frenzy calmed down a little. Oops.

I'm thinking that you could keep a cell phone but never let it leave your vehicle so you're not tempted to depend on it during real social interactions. Leaving it at home or off for days at a time would be great too.

The artificial aloofness would be a plus - though I'm sure it works better with women you've already banged - and meanwhile you'd still have the cell for first contacts and to use in emergencies. I think there's a real way to strike a balance here.

The same balance could likely be found on Facebook. Use an anonymous name and keep the account open so you can reach out to travel friends and other friends any time you want. Just one or two pictures that maybe aren't even of you - I think trying to match them in being an attention whore works against you and seems like you want external validation. Check the thing like once a month or every couple of months, etc.

A lot of us here want to be that old-school international playboy type. While it's in many ways a romanticized notion, do you really think such a character would be uploading photos to Facebook all day or clinging to his cell phone like it was a pacifier?

(10-30-2012 08:23 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  As good as it sounds it seems like the no cell phone thing when end up costing you bangs. However I do prefer to call since many girls dont expect it. It is pathetic everyone texts. I am 19 btw and in college so I can say first hand that the no cell phone thing would not fly

Being 19 and in college makes you an expert on what would fly and what wouldn't? No offense, Bud, but check back in 10 or 20 years from now and let me know if you still believe that.

New technologies and trends aside, don't underestimate what some years can teach you about the female mind.

Anyhow, my friend that I mentioned above was in college too and pulling women from the same crowd. This wasn't a decade ago - it was a couple years ago. It can and does fly.

You're right that it could cost some bangs and would take a certain finesse to pull off, but it could be worth playing with.

Here's my thinking. It's about creating a genuine, even eccentric vibe in your life - this might work even better with the older cats because it adds to the idea that they have something different to offer. You unplug from the grid because you're all about raw human experience. Most people in our day and age are feeling the loss of true human interaction and would vibe with that.

By calling women out on their shit when they're texting during dates, by rejecting social norms and creating your own reality, which focuses on living in the moment and face to face interaction, you create a strong frame for yourself and everyone around you. By saying you don't "do Facebook" or that you've deleted your account for personal or philisophical reasons, you further that frame, bring up a subject that I think anyone in the modern world can relate to, and open up different conversation threads that make you seem unique, independent, and interesting.

This is the type of frame that draws women in if you play your cards right - in fact, I've found that in my life having a strong frame doesn't just get me laid, it absolutely gets women addicted to me after enough exposure. That's what I'm seeing in the potential for this approach to modern life.

The caveat is that you'd have to make an extra effort to be a social person. You couldn't sit around waiting for life to happen. You'd have to go out a lot and stay active, etc. Frequent new social circles and have lots of friends so you're always out interacting with new people and know where to go to see them again.

(10-30-2012 10:18 AM)IQVX Wrote:  

(10-29-2012 10:09 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  Texting and social media are a cop out for 95% of men and when you go along with the flow its hard to differentiate yourself from them.

I agree with having little information on Facebook. But that's about it.

I straight-up disagree with the idea that social media and texting should be totally forgone. I'm 20 years old. Maybe not having Facebook or not texting raises value and creates aloofness for older guys, but if you're a guy my age, from my generation, then not having Facebook or a phone to text isn't perceived at all like that - you're just considered a creep. This is because not having these things isn't just uncommon, it's considered absurd, and a major disqualifier. Like it or not, the situation is what it is, and leaving social media and texting is a terrible idea if you're in high school, college, or under 25 at all.

Instead of running, learn how to work the system. Done properly you can use it to your advantage. I can't tell you how many times I've used clever texts and messages to quietly escalate things. The sociable man uses Facebook (not fatty-havens like OKCupid or POF) wisely to help him reel in the poon.

I'd be willing to bet there are some hipster and hippy guys out there your age who run game like clockwork while rejecting this social norm. It's only creepy if you let it be creepy.

It's not about running to us. What you're discussing is using this platform as a way to develop new techniques that pull ass. That's smart, and good on you. What we're discussing is creating a certain kind of lifestyle, an identity, and an aura. While it's true that means some techniques and game strategies become unavailable to us, in many ways that strong identity and lifestyle count for so much more when it comes to solid, lasting game.

(10-30-2012 12:45 PM)soup Wrote:  Is it possible to start a smart phone shame movement. There's got to be a shaming technique.

I think just calling her out on it and bringing her back into the moment would work wonders. Try it and see.

(10-30-2012 01:59 PM)basilransom Wrote:  Stop bitching and take action. I do like Samseau and take away their phone. I'm a little more subtle - 'What kind of phone is that - let me take a look.' She hands it over. I turn it off and put it in my pocket.

One of the hotter girls I met off OKC gave me a ton of shit for it, to the point where I thought I nuked my chances of getting laid. Later, after some great sex, she told me that was a 'turning point' for her.

Nicely done. I think it was a turning point for her because she got a peek into your reality and was impressed by your frame. These attention whores peek into their phones during social interactions because they are nervous and running away from what's in front of them. You're drawing her back into the real world, and once she realizes what just happened, it really stands out to her.

Wake them up.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #29

(10-30-2012 10:18 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  3. Text the girl and tell her to quit ignoring me. Some girls get REAL embarrassed because they didn't realize how rude they were being.

I do this quite a lot, but I generally text "Put the fucking phone down." or "I'm right here."

Post: #30

I let the first texting episode on a date slide, but the second time I say, "Do you want to schedule this date at another time so you can catch up on your texting?" They say no and put away their phone.

Post: #31

I've found that going on dates that aren't typical or lame really combats this type of behavior and in many cases eliminates it.

Go for drinks and this is going to happen to some degree, doing something like kayaking though negates the issue for me.

Post: #32

you know what else smartphones let them do??? erase bangs of the past w/a simple call blocking feature - that dude you were banging while you and your boyfriend were fighting?? blocked....

Post: #33

Essentially, dating a hot girl with a smartphone can be like a woman dating a guy who is continually followed around by a platoon of prostitutes blowing him on demand. It’s not that a fulfilling relationship can’t happen, but it’s a lot less likely.

Post: #34

(10-30-2012 02:34 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  It's not about running to us. What you're discussing is using this platform as a way to develop new techniques that pull ass. That's smart, and good on you. What we're discussing is creating a certain kind of lifestyle, an identity, and an aura. While it's true that means some techniques and game strategies become unavailable to us, in many ways that strong identity and lifestyle count for so much more when it comes to solid, lasting game.

Disregarding the conveniences of technology for the sake of women seems Beta to me.
Text. Facebook. Tweet. Just do so like a boss and you get the best of both worlds.

Post: #35

(10-30-2012 11:40 PM)IQVX Wrote:  

(10-30-2012 02:34 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  It's not about running to us. What you're discussing is using this platform as a way to develop new techniques that pull ass. That's smart, and good on you. What we're discussing is creating a certain kind of lifestyle, an identity, and an aura. While it's true that means some techniques and game strategies become unavailable to us, in many ways that strong identity and lifestyle count for so much more when it comes to solid, lasting game.

Disregarding the conveniences of technology for the sake of women seems Beta to me.
Text. Facebook. Tweet. Just do so like a boss and you get the best of both worlds.

Ah, don't get me wrong. It's not just about the ladies, Man - by any means; that's just an exercise in thought and something to think about when unplugging from the system.

Lifestyle first - game secondary. That's how it should be, and the end result of putting the one before the other is often that solid, lasting game mentioned above. In other words, embrace personal lifestyle choices first rather than worrying about strategies you'll miss out on when rejecting social platforms you don't get much personal pleasure or life satisfaction out of anyways (many studies show how these trends are taking away from our lives rather than adding to them).

Social media and running around with your face in your phone is a fucked up way to live - ladies or no ladies. Many of us here want a more involved, honest experience of life even as the rest of the world seems to be going the other direction. That's the real issue and the reason to consider creating a lifestyle that focuses more on genuine human experience.

You guys are implying that the choice to opt out will fuck up your game and the way others perceive you. I'm saying no to that - when you live life on your own terms and own it, women who get a peek follow. Your entire life benefits as a result of the choice, and you don't have to take a hit on your success with the females after all.

Simple as that.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #36

(10-29-2012 10:09 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  Phoning women is like doing squats. Texting them is like doing leg extensions. Everyone justifies leg extensions with the greatest of ease when the squat rack is staring right at them.

Leg extensions aren't even an exercise lol

I find phoning them easier. Plus it's easier to run game on 'em when on the phone. Texting just feeds their hamster.

I'm gonna try a new tactic for dealing with smartphones today...will report back if anything good comes of it.

Post: #37

I've always wanted a guy to try using a portable cell phone jammer... that would be legendary if he wrote it up and posted here.

Post: #38

New height of brilliance for Roosh in my opinion. One could argue as I did in another post after thinking about his idea: that iPhones are a DDOS attack on the girls' function of serving attention to men around her. It's like a fucking virus people don't understand yet.

While I was in my fave coffee shop today at one point 6 of 7 girls were iPhone glued, oblivious to their friends seated nearby.

Like rats in the middle ages carried fleas which spread the Plague, iPhones carry phony socializing transmissions that spread alienation.

Here's the kicker--there were really no losers associated with the onset of sanitation and elimination of rat access to living areas.

There's to the contrary a lot of money to be made keeping bitches on their phones and selling them shoes.

I've said it before and this is another facet:

"The goal of capitalism is to reduce all human interaction to the cash nexus." (Leon Day)

Post: #39

Like Soup wrote, maybe we should start iphone/smartphone shaming. The thing is though, we would need to shame with an unrelenting amount of force just to get the message across depending on the girl and how bad the addiction really is. This is harder than fat shaming because a smartphone is the evil source that pumps women full of validation and ego after a good shaming session. Word of advice: its hard but it can be done. After all we did help get rid of Jen Mcgreit, now we need to up the ante.

Post: #40

i read roosh's article.. and i agree with it. its like women with a smartphone have so much power.. like a magic sceptor in their hand that gives them this power over men. you know society is fucked up when you see women with this much more capacity than men.

and american and americanized women are the biggest abusers. an FOb girl stays a bit more humble. but once an FOB girl gets her hands on a smartphone theres no coming back. shes done for good.

Post: #41

(10-31-2012 09:19 PM)Alpha Hunter Zero Wrote:  Like Soup wrote, maybe we should start iphone/smartphone shaming. The thing is though, we would need to shame with an unrelenting amount of force just to get the message across depending on the girl and how bad the addiction really is. This is harder than fat shaming because a smartphone is the evil source that pumps women full of validation and ego after a good shaming session. Word of advice: its hard but it can be done. After all we did help get rid of Jen Mcgreit, now we need to up the ante.

The thing is that on the broader picture, communities like ours are seen like pariahs, politically incorrect and therefore our shaming would be tried to be reduced to dust by the relentless cellphone companies, and mass-media in general.

Think, from about two years ago, everything, EVERYTHING has a facebook page, a twitter account, and EVERY SINGLE AD promotes that you follow them. This shit is being glued to our society, probably in a few years, new born babies will be required to register on Facebook, and the databases will be used to do demographics calculations...

Probably, for bang prospects, the best strategy would be to keep your text game as finely tuned as possible.
While you are in a date, do as Roosh, Samseau or Basil do, keep your frame. Do not compete for her attention with a fucking device. If she carries on, dump her.


I started this thread because I'm in a relationship, been almost three months with her, and I'm afraid that the flow of attention she gets from social media will lessen her love for me in the long term (she is in love, has told me, but never listen to what a woman says, see what they do ).
I'm afraid.

Post: #42

Just saw this thread and man... this whole smartphone shit.

Everyday on my way to work I have to look at these women. I don't know what the fuck they are doing there, can someone answer that to me ? Do they some kind of "all-day attention whoring" or acting like they are the middle of the world on facebook ?

I had an Iphone and a Galaxy and I can't understand how people spend so much time on these things. I sold them because I didn't use them too much and now rock this 18$ Samsung flip phone together with my african colleague.

It's not only women though, people get addicted to this shit.

Post: #43

^^the last two paragraphs are right on the money. These days words means shit, only actions matter because they are a reflection of what a girl truly feels. Ive seen from experience the more she digs you the less she'll feel inclined to bring out the phone at least while in your presence.

Post: #44

It is quite simple to me: smartphones allow for everything and everyone to be accessed, checked, kept tabs on at all times. women can google you, see what you are up to via Facebook and even insert themselves into your social circles. For all these reasons I try to stay as unconnected as possible, no Facebook, barely use my cellphone etc. 90% of texting and "checking" is unnecessary, communication for communication's sake and therefore the domain of the female. they enjoy blabbering and talking things to death while men figure out the best solution and act on it.

Post: #45

(11-01-2012 01:43 PM)Bad-Habit Wrote:  Just saw this thread and man... this whole smartphone shit.

Everyday on my way to work I have to look at these women. I don't know what the fuck they are doing there, can someone answer that to me ? Do they some kind of "all-day attention whoring" or acting like they are the middle of the world on facebook ?

I had an Iphone and a Galaxy and I can't understand how people spend so much time on these things. I sold them because I didn't use them too much and now rock this 18$ Samsung flip phone together with my african colleague.

It's not only women though, people get addicted to this shit.

Kudos! having the guts to sport a cheap phone in a world obsessed with the latest gadgets and status symbols means one thing: you think for yourself and do not just follow the herd, not needing the approval and confirmation of the masses. This attitude is what makes men men...

Post: #46

REPHRASE:
I've said it before and this is another facet:

"The goal of capitalism is to reduce all human interaction to the cash nexus." (Leon Day)

Maybe more America-comprehensible:
"The goal of business is to gradually redirect all your communication through channels that can be monetized and monitored. Every hour you spend staring into that thing you bit by bit become part of a machine."

The main problem with describing electrocomm as all being monitored, motivated by businesses, is it sounds paranoid to a naive girl. They like their alphas not thinking about consequences.

I think the psychological channel through which to start the shaming campaign is to emphasize how she's "just like everyone else" lazily consuming -- like fat girls do-- sitting there -- not doing something adventurous.

Someone else pointed out that women prize the delusion of individuality; and it's very insulting to point out they're "just like any other girl."

Rough Prototype ( rather harsh):

You: Do you consider yourself adventurous?
Her: Oh yes.
You: Then why are you sitting there [like a boring housewife/old woman ] looking at a tiny computer, typing the same things to the same people ? Wouldn't you like to Go somewhere, like a [young/adventurous] person would ?

At this point however, if their parents didn't straighten this shit out when they were in early adolescence ( being rude, texting while someone's talking to them) they are likely to be harder to train. If she's only recently got caught up there may be some residual sense of politeness you can evoke.

Post: #47

(10-30-2012 12:45 PM)soup Wrote:  Is it possible to start a smart phone shame movement. There's got to be a shaming technique.

Or, is there a magnet or something small thing like a magnet or whatever that can be carried that will fuck her phone up- like zap the battery?

Maybe there's a code that can turn off her phone for like 4 hours?

A cell phone jammer device..
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_jammer

This is a new angle one might have to work.

Post: #48

Last night I was standing at the bar next to a girl who left her iPhone on the counter. The screen came on and she immediately grabbed it. It was a notification that she got a "like" on one of her instagram photos. She played with the phone for a minute and then put it back down.

I think a lot of us underestimate how much "likes" validate women. They want to be immediately notified of every one.

Post: #49

Roosh that being said you can use it to your advantage. When I was with my old main I hardly complemented her and we rarely talked on facebook. One day I liked one of her photos (the first time after months of seeing her). The next day when I saw her she was super happy and praised me for liking her picture. Epic blowjobs ensued.

Post: #50

(11-02-2012 12:02 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Last night I was standing at the bar next to a girl who left her iPhone on the counter. The screen came on and she immediately grabbed it. It was a notification that she got a "like" on one of her instagram photos. She played with the phone for a minute and then put it back down.

I think a lot of us underestimate how much "likes" validate women. They want to be immediately notified of every one.

To help us get in touch with our feminine side, Roosh should personally serenade us every time we get a 'like' on a post. Guys, we need to come to grips with the plight of modern women.

WesternCancer, interesting theory - that given the validation they get from facebook, instagram, they don't need any from you, and will in fact punish you for giving compliments with any regularity. I would probably enjoy occqsionally complimenting women if they appreciated it, but they don't so I don't.