Post: #1

While learning Game can help improve your odds of getting any kind of women everyone has a sweet spot: a target demographic that is much easy to pull from than others. My sweet spot in the US is: upper-middle class women in the 25 – 35 age range, who is somewhat successful in life, has traveled a bit, has above average intelligence, and not very religious. I tend to do a lot better with white women than non-white and specifically with blondes. Why? Well, those traits basically describes me, so it’s very easy to build comfort and rapport with them and the blondes just like my exotic look.

Now, I find a wide range of women attractive and I don’t really care about lot of those things but the reality is it’s a lot easier for me to pickup an 8+, 25 yrs old, career girl from a classy bar than 6+, 20 yr old, cashier from McDonalds. The cashier may very well find me attractive but we just won’t have a lot in common and building comfort and rapport will take a tremendous amount of work on my part.

Without realizing it I have been my own worse enemy lately. Somehow I started believing I could pickup any kind of women and actually started putting in a lot of effort doing so. The results has been terrible. The amount of work I have put into trying to get lower quality girls outside of my sweet spot is embarrassing. This really hit home this weekend in Key West at Fantasy Fest where the best time I had was with a woman that fell right in the middle of my sweet spot. It was almost effortless compared to the college girls and other “trashy” girls I was trying to game earlier in the evening with very limited success. After that experience I realized it’s just not worth it working outside of your sweet spot. You will have to put in a lot of work to overcome the mismatch between you and the women and it will be something you are always going to be fighting. But you are really not fighting the women, you are actually fighting yourself: who you are. When we meet someone that closely matches up with us on a core level it’s much easier to interact and get along with these people and more so with women: women instinctively know their kind.

I believed that if I worked hard enough and acquired enough skill I could overcome this, and I can sometimes, but the price is just too high and what I get in return is just not worth it. I have taken a beating fighting myself and all this time the clock just keeps on ticking down. Today is the day I quit, I have just grown too tired of fighting myself...

Post: #2

In Toronto, I found my process was a lot better by working on lizards that had given me IOIs. I have to refine the IOI formula in South Florida since lizards like to stare here even if they are with someone so I will need to tweak the formula a bit.

But the blind gaming every lizard is like throwing clay against a wall and hoping it will stick..for me. I think that should be last resort when either, I don't get any IOIs or I have exhausted all my IOIs.

Post: #3

Even with IOIs it can still be difficult if not impossible. I wasted a lot of time and effort on a few girls that works at this supermarket I go to because I got some IOIs from them. Maybe they liked how I look but after getting their numbers and actually trying to take the interaction further it was like swimming upstream. Between the age difference, cultural difference, socio-economic difference, it was just too much work. So now, if a girl falls far outside of that target demographic, she will practically have to be picking me up for me to go after her. It does happen but it's the exception.

Post: #4

If a specific target demographic worked for you in the past then I would start with this same demographic here in Florida. Find out where they hang out and hit up those places first.

Post: #5

I dont agree with this at all. I think its good to know where you fit in but you should never avoid girls because of different backgrounds, looks, etc than what youre used to. Id rather strike out than not play the game.

Post: #6

I am not saying you shouldn't try or to avoid anything. I am saying you might not want to put a huge effort into a girl that doesn't fit your optimum profile and isn't helping you out much. By all means approach everything but only continue to invest in situations where the girl is actively helping.

Post: #7

Im beginning to realize this more and more. I want to bang super hot girls in college but other than that we have nothing in common. It's almost effortless when I get a slightly introverted bookish type (still attractive) as opposed to the ones who live for partying and their iPhones. That being said its not going to stop me from approaching them.

Post: #8

Find your "sweet spot" AND also practice with girls who are not in that sweet spot.

I get along best with girls who are just like me. 30+ former athletes who are health nuts. But, I like to bang college girls. It's often harder for me to hold a good conversation with a college girl because of the age gap and not having much in common. But, with alot of practice and focused effort, I have gotten much better at talking to young girls and girls from outside my demographic.

I really admire people who can move between rich, poor, young, old, black, white, and fit in effortlessly. That is social intelligence.

Post: #9

@WesternCancer So would I. It's easy for me to pickup a hot college girl BUT unless I can close her the same night it gets really tough to get something after. (If I was in my 20s and still in college it would be easier.) In Marketing there is a term: product market fit. It means does your product (you) fit the market you are trying to sell it in. If it does it will sell easily if it does not it will be difficult to sell it. You can grind it out and you will close something here and there but that is exactly what it will be: a grind.

Personally, I prefer the bookish types to the party girls, even in college. One of my favorite pickup places was the campus library. It's one of the few places where girls go alone and don't expect to be hit on. Damn, I miss that library...lol

Post: #10

@Giovanny Ye, so do I and I can move between a wide variety of girls but recently I think I've gotten too far away from my core base and found I was just putting in a lot of work for little payback. When it comes to college girls I don't have a problem talking to them but once the interaction ends and their logically mind kicks in I usually lose them most likely because they realize I am much older than them and won't fit into their social circle. On a one on one basis I can nail them just as easily as any other girl but unless I can hook them the same night they will usually flake on me after.

Post: #11

Most of us are comfortable around people from our own tribe (demographic)

(10-29-2012 01:22 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  In Marketing there is a term: product market fit. It means does your product (you) fit the market you are trying to sell it in.

This is my new favorite concept!

Now, I am asking myself if my product (my appearance, vice, etc.) is a good fit for my market (college girls)?

I need to improve in this area! Your post has helped me!

Thanks Nomad!

(10-29-2012 01:22 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Damn, I miss that library

What is stopping you from going back to college libraries??? I go gaming in university libraries a few times a week.

Post: #12

Yeah, the take away as stated is the "sweet spot." Understanding yourself and what you are naturally attracted to/mesh well with and like other girls to have (book smarts, personality, intelligence, outgoing or introverted, etc.), as well as coincidentally what you tend to attract usually (and what you need to therefore change or not to, to start getting what you like.) I like a hot chick as well, but sometimes yes it does take too much energy/investment when it comes to the roi I'm getting. I'd MUCH rather have a chick with a great personality and good looks and contains REAL depth that I don't have to play games with, then a chick with a BANGING body who has absolutely nothing going on upstairs or an attitude.

Yes, its important to go after different types-cause you will learn more about yourself and what you are attracted to....however, obviously don't waste your time on something your semi interested in or not fully attracted to. That's just a waste, I prefer girls with substance but thats just me.

Post: #13

(10-29-2012 01:28 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Most of us are comfortable around people from our own tribe (demographic)

(10-29-2012 01:22 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  In Marketing there is a term: product market fit. It means does your product (you) fit the market you are trying to sell it in.

This is my new favorite concept!

Now, I am asking myself if my product (my appearance, vice, etc.) is a good fit for my market (college girls)?

I need to improve in this area! Your post has helped me!

Thanks Nomad!

(10-29-2012 01:22 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Damn, I miss that library

What is stopping you from going back to college libraries??? I go gaming in university libraries a few times a week.

Yep, the tribe concept is very true with both males and females but I like to think of it as even more fundamental than that: as your own kind. Like the same type of animals.

To improve you can just use another marketing tool: SWOT analysis. Do a SWOT analysis on yourself in relation to your target market: college girls. Then ask yourself what can be done to improve your strengths while decreasing your weaknesses.

If I had a college guy wingman it would be easy. Without one I think I stand out too much or at least I feel that way.

Post: #14

(10-29-2012 01:33 PM)IpsaScientiaPotestasEst Wrote:  Yeah, the take away as stated is the "sweet spot." Understanding yourself and what you are naturally attracted to/mesh well with and like other girls to have (book smarts, personality, intelligence, outgoing or introverted, etc.), as well as coincidentally what you tend to attract usually (and what you need to therefore change or not to, to start getting what you like.) I like a hot chick as well, but sometimes yes it does take too much energy/investment when it comes to the roi I'm getting. I'd MUCH rather have a chick with a great personality and good looks and contains REAL depth that I don't have to play games with, then a chick with a BANGING body who has absolutely nothing going on upstairs or an attitude.

Yes, its important to go after different types-cause you will learn more about yourself and what you are attracted to....however, obviously don't waste your time on something your semi interested in or not fully attracted to. That's just a waste, I prefer girls with substance but thats just me.

This is a great addendum to my original post. Thanks! I feel exactly the same way.

Post: #15

(10-29-2012 01:28 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  I think I've gotten too far away from my core base and found I was just putting in a lot of work for little payback.

Yes, our "core base" is where we get most of our bangs. It's fun to experiment in other fishbowls, but, when we are not getting results, its nice to get back around people who we know we can talk to.

(10-29-2012 01:28 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  When it comes to college girls I don't have a problem talking to them but once the interaction ends and their logically mind kicks in I usually lose them most likely because they realize I am much older than them and won't fit into their social circle. On a one on one basis I can nail them just as easily as any other girl but unless I can hook them the same night they will usually flake on me after.

Same here. You gotta bang those college girls when they are hot and horny. As an older man, they won't always give us 2-3 dates like they might give someone in their social circle.

But, there are plenty of exceptions. I have met alot of college girls who like older men.

Your point stands - for consistent results, stick to your sweet spot!

(10-29-2012 01:52 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  To improve you can just use another marketing tool: SWOT analysis. Do a SWOT analysis on yourself in relation to your target market: college girls. Then ask yourself what can be done to improve your strengths while decreasing your weaknesses.

Thanks, for some reason, these marketing analogies really resonate with me. I do need to fine tune my "product".

(10-29-2012 01:52 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  If I had a college guy wingman it would be easy. Without one I think I stand out too much or at least I feel that way.

You won't stand out as bad as you think, especially on a large campus. I just walk around and say Im a grad student. Dressing well and carrying a laptop bag helps alot.

(10-29-2012 01:33 PM)IpsaScientiaPotestasEst Wrote:  Understanding yourself and what you are naturally attracted to/mesh well with and like other girls to have (book smarts, personality, intelligence, outgoing or introverted, etc.)

Well said!

Post: #16

The big problem with college girls is isolation. They always go out in these groups and they go to places where other college kids hang out so they end up in bigger groups. I definitely get the impression they find me attractive so age is not really the issue. The big issue appears to be social conformance and approval. IF I can isolate I can close. With a college wing it's easier to enter the groups and interact with the girls and pull some of them out somewhere else and then isolate after.

Actually when attempting to penetrate any kind of group it's always easier to when you have someone that already part of that social circle. They provide social proof and intros.

Post: #17

(10-29-2012 02:14 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  The big problem with college girls is isolation.

Yes, and access to them is another problem. As a man in his 30's we don't have the luxury of being surrounded by college girls all day long. I day game on college campuses but I admit it can be tough. I usually have to approach alot to get results.

(10-29-2012 02:14 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  Actually when attempting to penetrate any kind of group it's always easier to when you have someone that already part of that social circle. They provide social proof and intros.

Yes, of course. It would be easier if we had access to the social circles. I have no social circle connections with college girls. I just cold approach during the day. It's a numbers game. I approach like crazy. It was much easier when I was a professor!

Post: #18

(10-29-2012 02:34 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Yes, of course. It would be easier if we had access to the social circles. I have no social circle connections with college girls. I just cold approach during the day. It's a numbers game. I approach like crazy. It was much easier when I was a professor!

Damn, you were a prof? Much props. How old are you, Giovonny?

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #19

I'm 36. I was a professor from 29-33. At a junior college.

Before that I was a student assistant at a state college.

Access to college girls was amazing. I had instant social proof and was high value in their eyes.

I'm lucky I didn't get fired!

Post: #20

(10-29-2012 02:44 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  I'm 36. I was a professor from 29-33. At a junior college.

Before that I was a student assistant at a state college.

Access to college girls was amazing. I had instant social proof and was high value in their eyes.

I'm lucky I didn't get fired!

Right on. That must have been a blast. What subject?

A few brainstorming ideas for better access:

Join one or two of those activity clubs in university areas - the ones open to the public. Fitness type activities would be a good fit.

Hit Happy Hours in college areas and say you work nearby.

Work out at the university gym if open to the public or find a gym close by. I always figured rock-climbing gyms would be a good place for older guys to meet college-age women.

Take one or two classes at the university - art, dance , or music would be good fits.

Attend one-time lectures with guest speakers.

Check out classes open to the community - many only go from one day to three weeks, so time investment is minimal.

Attend university concerts, art shows, and other events. As an involved member of the community (lol), this doesn't have to be weird.

College area coffee shops and restaurants - hit on the help.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #21

Ye, it can be done and you can pull. It's just a matter of grind it out. Personally, unless I feel some sort of deeper connection with the girl I am not as motivated to put in the work. A college girl doesn't have any special benefit in my mind PLUS since I left college the fatness ratio has gone way up! Whenever I go back to campus I am appalled by how fat the girls are getting and how sloppy they look. I feel so sad for the college guys these days.

Post: #22

(10-29-2012 02:52 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  A few brainstorming ideas for better access:

Join one or two of those activity clubs in university areas - the ones open to the public. Fitness type activities would be a good fit.

Hit Happy Hours in college areas and say you work nearby.

Work out at the university gym if open to the public or find a gym close by. I always figured rock-climbing gyms would be a good place for older guys to meet college-age women.

Take one or two classes at the university - art, dance , or music would be good fits.

Attend one-time lectures with guest speakers.

Check out classes open to the community - many only go from one day to three weeks, so time investment is minimal.

Attend university concerts, art shows, and other events. As an involved member of the community (lol), this doesn't have to be weird.

College area coffee shops and restaurants - hit on the help.

Great advice for gaining access to college girls! I felt like I was reading one of my own posts!

(08-20-2012 03:46 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Here are some advanced techniques to think about. Doing these things will increase the likely hood of banging college girls:

1) Live near campus, the closer the better, right across the street if you can. LIVE AMONG THEM!

2) Shop where they shop, eat where they eat, hangout where they hangout, workout where they workout, party where they party. Get coffee at the campus cafe, eat lunch at the campus food court. Join the campus gym.

3) Get a job on campus. I have done this and it is amazing. I can't believe I didn't get fired. Be careful!

4)Go to the campus shows, concerts, art fairs, farmer markets, etc.

The more you are socializing with these girls the more opportunities you will have. College campus is just like a bar or a club. You have to talk to them, create a connection, then get them out on a date.

Make sure you have your story straight as to why you are on campus. Lie and say you are a student or say you are meeting a friend or something that works for you. I walk around with a laptop bag and say I am a grad student.

Good luck and let me know if you have any specific questions. Read these threads!

College campuses for older guys

College Girls

Dating younger girls

College towns

College game for dudes not in college

College game