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(11-06-2012 05:46 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  Toronto is bad. Melbourne Australia is worse. And way more expensive.

Interesting, I've been told by Americans that they prefer Melbourne to their home cities (none were from NYC/LA/Miami though). torontokid has told me a lot of horror stories from TO which made me assume we were a lot better.

Saving myself a PM... I'm meeting a forum member from the States to daygame this weekend. Wanna join?

(11-06-2012 06:35 PM)kosko Wrote:  I have heard that Melbourne is just like Toronto but quieter, more spread out and twice as expensive!

There aren't that many places that could be anymore spread out or expensive as we are.

Quote:But in Melbourne the women are even more colder and less attractive.

I've never heard anybody describe Australians as "cold". I think most Aussies will agree that Melbourne beats New Zealand and the rest of Australia besides Sydney quality wise. Not that that's saying much

The most important things here are to stay in of two small areas (the CBD or South Yarra) and avoid getting king hit or stabbed by a drunken fuckhead.

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(11-08-2012 06:50 AM)pbw Wrote:  

Quote:The most important things here are to stay in of two small areas (the CBD or South Yarra) and avoid getting king hit or stabbed by a drunken fuckhead.

You mean something like this at a Melborne strip club-

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c53_13470...comments=1

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(11-08-2012 06:53 AM)pbw Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 06:50 AM)pbw Wrote:  

Quote:The most important things here are to stay in of two small areas (the CBD or South Yarra) and avoid getting king hit or stabbed by a drunken fuckhead.

You mean something like this at a Melborne strip club-

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c53_13470...comments=1

LOL, my wings/futute roommates are literally one block away from that joint at an RSD Free Tour as I type this.

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(11-04-2012 02:09 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

(11-04-2012 10:52 AM)kosko Wrote:  It's a assortment of things. I am a avid social observer and IMO Toronto is the future of most North American large cities. This is what North American Cities will rot into since this is what you get when females run the show. Females are so hostile here because they ALL have options waiting. When you have a steady rotation of beta dick on standby you dont itch for bangs.

90% of my SNL/ONS have come from females with boyfriends or husbands. That should tell you enough of the sleazy dynamics of this City.

It's for sure an assortment of things that fuck Toronto up: from being over retailed (bars and shops), to it's WASPY roots, to it's dominate PC culture, to it's institutionalized femenism, to the females and homosexuals that hold considerable economic and political might, to it's polarized immigrant culture, poor economic standings, bad logistics, etc, etc, etc.

Toronto simply is a Beta City. You can Google Alpha Cities as there is a global list of them. Toronto is ranked high but it's misleading.

Toronto is the only Beta City on earth. I can go into great detail on this but I'll spare the rant for another day since I am in my phone. It's a discussion worthy of its own thread.

Roosh you could literally do a test project on this town to highlight the flaws and how Toronto is the test City for what is to come all over North America but I have no idea of your willing to sacrifice yourself to that lol. It would be a grueling 3 month project - It's been 3 days and Roosh is clawing to get out Lol.

It's a cease pool of bullshit here and yes the women are aggressively hostile - the cockblocks are at a nuclear level and the bitch shields are iron clad.

Did you try DayGame at all while here Roosh? The Loblaws on Carlton or Starbucks, etc?

I'd like to add Vancouver to the most beta city on earth list. 90% of guys weigh less than the women (most are pretty thin), are hipsters, pale, supplicating and weak in every way imaginable. Theres a reason why there are 6 times as many dudes as girls on OKC and hot girls regularly complain about not being able to find a man. Not a good man or a real man, just any man.

It is beta because of the mass Asian influence and hippie culture. When I visited 2 months ago, a girl I met said that guys don't approach girls in bars or anywhere.

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Vancouver is waaay more Asians the Toronto (percentage wise) so I can't say it's that.

It's a perfect storm of elements that are present in almost every North American City. From the feminism to the costs to the immigrant culture, etc.

it's a thread in its self.

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You need to read this article -- to know that things are going to get a lot worse. Moving out seems to really be the only way out.

Washington (CNN) -- In many ways, the 2012 election was the year of the woman.

Women — who have historically formed one of President Barack Obama's key constituencies — once again united behind him in large numbers and helped fend off defections from white male and independent supporters.

A record 20 women will hold U.S. Senate seats next year—including newly-elected Wisconsin Democrat Tammy Baldwin, the first openly lesbian senator. The New Hampshire congressional delegation will be all female and, in Obama's home state of Hawaii, Democrat Mazie Hirono will represent the islands in the Senate.

"I'm not sure if it was as much a coincidence as a perfect storm," said Jennifer Duffy, a senior editor with the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

"The conditions were right and the Republican nominee gave women pause."

According to CNN's exit polls, 55% of women and 45% of men voted for Obama and 44% of women and 52% of men voted for Romney. That level of female support for the president made an especially big impact in swing states like Ohio where the gender breakdown mirrored the national figures.

Big gains for women in 2012

It is a gender advantage Obama clinched even as early as mid October when data showed that among white women, the president led 52%-46%. Back in 2008 when Obama carried Ohio, he received 47% of votes from white women in that state. Nationally, Obama received 56% of the female vote in 2008.

"I think it's one of the things Republicans have to look at," Duffy said. "'Why are we the party of white men.'"

Political experts also say Romney, who saw an early October surge of support among female voters, may have undone those gains during the second presidential debate when he said he used "whole binders full of women" as a hiring tool as governor, whiffed on an equal pay question, and alluded to helping women get home to cook dinner.

"That a presidential candidate in 2012 can utter such superficial answers to a serious question about women's economic equity and autonomy reveals a lack of serious thought about issues of substantive importance to women," Kathleen Dolan, a political science professor at the University of Wisconsin, and Jennifer L. Lawless, an associate professor of government and director of the Women & Politics Institute at American University, wrote recently for CNN.

"It also demonstrates a lack of commitment to the change necessary to allow women and men to lead fully integrated professional and personal lives," they said.

But Republican woes with women cannot be blamed solely on Romney.

Opinion: Women gain wider access to power

Verbal gaffes from down-ballot candidates such as Rep. Todd Akin, whose comments about a woman's body preventing pregnancy after "legitimate rape" may have cost him the election, also reinforced for some voters concerns that the GOP is out of touch with women.

"Part of the reason Democrats had a good day was some conservative Republicans said some stupid things and it made some issues more salient than they usually are," said Andra Gillespie, an associate professor of political science at Emory University in Atlanta.

"When people are making comments about legitimate rape ... it scares women who might not have thought about it. Even the conversation about contraception ... this was a way to make women's health issues very, very personal," Gillespie said.

The first portion of this year's political season saw a heated partisan showdown over a federal mandate requiring religious institutions to offer contraception insurance coverage to employees. The ensuing back and forth sparked a "war on women" fight between Democrats and Republicans that bled into congressional hearings, the campaigns and talk radio and re-ignited the gender wars.

Democrats were able to use the rhetoric to suggest that Republicans would threaten the right to contraception—something studies indicate the majority of the public supports, said Michele Swers, a Georgetown University American government professor.

Move over boys, New Hampshire goes to the women

"The debate can be more framed on the aspects of the debate that were more popular with the general public," Swers said, adding that Democrats were also able to connect other GOP positions on abortion as extreme.

There are some indications that social issues directly impacting women might have helped sway votes in some states.

Tuesday's early exit polls showed 51% of Missouri voters said they believed abortion should be legal all or most of the time. Of those voters, exit polls showed 76% supported Democratic incumbent Claire McCaskill, who won Tuesday night, while 19% voted for Akin.

Forty-seven percent of Missouri's voters said abortion should be illegal. Exit polls showed Akin netted 67% of this group's votes while 27% of people who think abortion should be illegal supported McCaskill.

But much more than social issues, pocketbook economic issues most concerned women voters, exit polling showed.

"Women like all voters felt the economics were most important," Swers said. "Women tend to be more supportive of government spending (such as cutting things as Medicaid, and food stamps) than men are ... so they were less responsive to Romney in that way and more responsive to Obama's message on empathy and helping the middle class."

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(11-08-2012 01:43 AM)P Dog Wrote:  I think most Aussies will agree that Melbourne beats New Zealand and the rest of Australia besides Sydney quality wise.

I'd also put the Gold Coast and Perth above Melbourne quality wise.

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Roosh, I watched your Toronto video. Most of it rang true, except for one thing.

1) The "hip slang" thing is not any sort of pretention. We have our own weird lexicon here that is influenced by Jamaican slang, American slang and our own Canadianisms.

I grew up in an upper-class neighborhood that borders on the Jamaican 'hood and a burgeoning barrio. I went to public school with kids of all backgrounds, and so a pasty white dude saying "wha gwan?" is not out of the ordinary and not some kind of ironic hipster bullshit. "Get at me" is about as innocuous as someone from England saying "ring me". Just the way it is here. Black guys often sound like they're Jamaican here as opposed to the typical American "urban" accent.

2) Winter is fucking awful here. I would chalk a fair amount of your failure up to the fact that it's unseasonably cold and everyone is miserable. Summertime in Toronto is much, much better. The girls are still cunts but there's a great vibe here.

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Just saw Roosh's video on Toronto. Couldn't agree more with the cock-blocking part. More than guys, it's the girls here that will cockblock you for no reason. I have had situations where I was hitting it off really well with my girl and she would literally be dragged away by some fat girl. The girl I was talking to wouldn't even try to do anything about it.

Other than that, I live in a large suburb near Toronto. I game all over clubs in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA). Maybe other members can chime in but I find clubs in suburbs (the few well-known ones to be clear, that I am sure anyone familiar with the GTA will know) to me be much better in terms of attitudes and even quality at times.

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(11-08-2012 09:12 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  Just saw Roosh's video on Toronto. Couldn't agree more with the cock-blocking part. More than guys, it's the girls here that will cockblock you for no reason. I have had situations where I was hitting it off really well with my girl and she would literally be dragged away by some fat girl. The girl I was talking to wouldn't even try to do anything about it.

Other than that, I live in a large suburb near Toronto. I game all over clubs in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA). Maybe other members can chime in but I find clubs in suburbs (the few well-known ones to be clear, that I am sure anyone familiar with the GTA will know) to me be much better in terms of attitudes and even quality at times.

There is a club in Missisauga called Sugar Daddy that I found a lot better.

What video?

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He posted a video on his youtube channel; twitter link on his blog. Sugar Daddy (depends on which night you go) and My Apartment (more so) have decent talent in Mississauga. It's not easy by any means but I find the girls a little bit better than Toronto.

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ok I saw the vid. I was just thinking of when I went through a moment of retaliation and I was sending lizards that I was speaking to on msn messages after they signed off, calling them dirty fat pigs and hideous cows.
Backfired cos I didn't realise that MSN was saving the messages sent whilst offline and sending them when they signed back in.

I didn't realise this and didn't understand why these new contacts were showing as offline..

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(11-08-2012 09:28 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  He posted a video on his youtube channel; twitter link on his blog. Sugar Daddy (depends on which night you go) and My Apartment (more so) have decent talent in Mississauga. It's not easy by any means but I find the girls a little bit better than Toronto.

Now you know why I am in the burbs

My Apartment is alright, has some young girls in there that like to carry on skanky. I still have to check out Sugar Daddy's, I believe Moma recommended it.

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Sugar Daddy's is okay, I find My Apartment to be better in terms of talent. I am not really sure why the attitude is so much worse in Toronto than the suburbs because most of the people out in Toronto are not really from Toronto, they are all over from the GTA.

If you are going to Sugar Daddy's don't go there on Thursdays. Thursday I believe they play reggae, soca, rap, and hip-hop which leads to a predominantly black crowd. (if you are into black girls though, it can be a good night). The weekend crowds are more mixed.

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(11-08-2012 08:11 PM)T and A Man Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 01:43 AM)P Dog Wrote:  I think most Aussies will agree that Melbourne beats New Zealand and the rest of Australia besides Sydney quality wise.

I'd also put the Gold Coast and Perth above Melbourne quality wise.

An American I winged with on the weekend stayed in Perth for a while before visiting Melbourne. He told me we were better, but that the difference isn't massive. Maybe it's because we get more tourists or because we're less redneck and more hipster. We're more cosmopolitan, more than twice as big as you yet cheaper than you so no doubt a traveller is better off here than there. Then again I don't know why people would spend the money coming down under of all places for the girls when there's much better for much cheaper expense overseas. Would be interesting to hear what the Gold Coast is like outside of the high season considering how small the population is.

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Great Ratios in the clubs in Toronto...

5 guys for every...... guy.

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I'll be visiting family over the holidays. Hopefully I will have more time to go out than last summer.

Anyone interested in meeting up?

Also, a friend and I are planning to go out for NYE but looks like we will need to buy tickets ahead of time. Any suggestions on where to go? I haven't lived in Toronto for over 15 years so have no idea where the place to be would be. I've read through the thread and lots of places mentioned to keep in mind, but how about specifically for NYE?

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Those places that you gotta buy tickets ain't worth the price of admission. I may go to a club, but I ain't paying $100 for a place that regularly costs $20....

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$100? Which places charge that? I wouldn't pay that much either...
I've checked a few out on the net and most seem to charge around $40 or so. I haven't looked at many so maybe this isn't accurate for all of them.
Still, any suggestions would be appreciated. (Although, I don't want to hijack this thread so I made a separate one the other day. No replies there yet though.)

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I paid $ 100 at the door wo the ticket before hand at this is London about 10 years ago. Most places you're right 40-60 bucks. But at the door be prepared to pay.

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Back to the topic... So at the end of the day, Roosh, you didn't get any play in Toronto, right?

But you can't just leave a city and say it's impossible. It's your job, your career(!), to experiment and figure out what works for a given city or country! For the sake of all the Toronto guys out there, I vote you go back and stay as long as it takes to crack it right and gather enough intel to write a useful book about it. For a city apparently as tough at Toronto, if you cracked the code well enough to pick up a new (non-fat) girl even just once a week, and then wrote a book about how you went from zero to that, it would fly off the shelves and be bought up by 90% of Toronto guys.

There is a way. There is always a way. And if any man can find it, it's you, Roosh, because you're willing to experiment until you figure it out. Books about places that are easy to figure out aren't worth as much as a book that gives solid advice and insight about a place that is reputed to be impossible like Toronto. If it's as hard as everyone says, this could be your most valuable book to date.

You up to the challenge of figuring it out?

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Why would Roosh subject himself to such torture? lol

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(12-20-2012 09:17 AM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  Back to the topic... So at the end of the day, Roosh, you didn't get any play in Toronto, right?

But you can't just leave a city and say it's impossible. It's your job, your career(!), to experiment and figure out what works for a given city or country! For the sake of all the Toronto guys out there, I vote you go back and stay as long as it takes to crack it right and gather enough intel to write a useful book about it. For a city apparently as tough at Toronto, if you cracked the code well enough to pick up a new (non-fat) girl even just once a week, and then wrote a book about how you went from zero to that, it would fly off the shelves and be bought up by 90% of Toronto guys.

There is a way. There is always a way. And if any man can find it, it's you, Roosh, because you're willing to experiment until you figure it out. Books about places that are easy to figure out aren't worth as much as a book that gives solid advice and insight about a place that is reputed to be impossible like Toronto. If it's as hard as everyone says, this could be your most valuable book to date.

You up to the challenge of figuring it out?

I've been here 4 years bro.

I admit it's been about a year and half since I've been committed to game and even then it's been a uphill battle.

They code IMO is to build up a persona with a tight group of friends to build up status in some way. The tight group will shield you from the demigod thinking females whom run the city and whom you will have to do business and partner with. Going in alone will get your nuked, you have to have a solid team to shield the attacks but once you can do that you can rotate dumb broads in easily. This is easier said then done though, a lot of time and energy has to be invented and you will have others trying to do the same shit as you also.

Just my observations on the ability to crack the code. But in the end ... Why? Use that effort to get money and go to MTL or NYC on vacation instead. Id rather do shit in those cities and use it as DHV in TO.