Post: #26

(11-02-2012 02:04 AM)Roosh Wrote:  My first night out was not good... the city was dead. I think it's a combination of the weather and also day after Halloween. I walked down Ossington and poked my head in all the little bars, but not much of a crowd. I made a right on Queens and browsed until Parkdale. The Drake and Beaconfield had a small crowd with maybe one approachable set each. I feel like all the bars were better for dates.

I remember "Madison" was mentioned here and how it was for PUAs. I figured why not, so I took a cab there. Man, it was like 50 Tyler Durden's running around! I've never seen anything like it. If PUA had a global headquarters, this was it. I felt like I took a time machine to my early 20s.

The guys were obviously practicing the RSD style of game... fake high energy, puffed out chests, fashion accessories, not drinking, etc. I wouldn't care about them but the ratio was pretty bad. Picture:



The bars in Queens West are too small. I need a bigger place where I can approach a few girls, so I figure I should hit a club. Any club recommendations for Friday and Saturday? Maybe a medium sized place. I know the mega clubs will attract a bridge and tunnel crowd.

Epic photo.

Also funny to see so many RSD-type wannabe PUAs in one place. Toronto must be shit since any place that is home to that many PUAs has got to be a tough place to get laid.

Side note: I pretty sure many, if not most, of the episodes of "Keys to the VIP" were filmed in nightclubs in the Greater Toronto area. You probably are going to have to hit up the mega clubs on Friday and Saturday if you want a decent # of targets.

Post: #27

(11-02-2012 10:04 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 02:04 AM)Roosh Wrote:  My first night out was not good... the city was dead. I think it's a combination of the weather and also day after Halloween. I walked down Ossington and poked my head in all the little bars, but not much of a crowd. I made a right on Queens and browsed until Parkdale. The Drake and Beaconfield had a small crowd with maybe one approachable set each. I feel like all the bars were better for dates.

I remember "Madison" was mentioned here and how it was for PUAs. I figured why not, so I took a cab there. Man, it was like 50 Tyler Durden's running around! I've never seen anything like it. If PUA had a global headquarters, this was it. I felt like I took a time machine to my early 20s.

The guys were obviously practicing the RSD style of game... fake high energy, puffed out chests, fashion accessories, not drinking, etc. I wouldn't care about them but the ratio was pretty bad. Picture:



The bars in Queens West are too small. I need a bigger place where I can approach a few girls, so I figure I should hit a club. Any club recommendations for Friday and Saturday? Maybe a medium sized place. I know the mega clubs will attract a bridge and tunnel crowd.

Epic photo.

Also funny to see so many RSD-type wannabe PUAs in one place. Toronto must be shit since any place that is home to that many PUAs has got to be a tough place to get laid.

Side note: I pretty sure many, if not most, of the episodes of "Keys to the VIP" were filmed in nightclubs in the Greater Toronto area. You probably are going to have to hit up the mega clubs on Friday and Saturday if you want a decent # of targets.

These nightlife photos are hilarious.

Looks like a gay bar from 2009.

It is funny how guys always wear the typical mall produced crap:

1. Dork in V-neck T? Check

2. Dork in Fedora? Check

3. Dork in "Western Style Plaid Shirt"? Check

It is the same in any crappy bar.

Post: #28

(11-02-2012 02:04 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The bars in Queens West are too small. I need a bigger place where I can approach a few girls, so I figure I should hit a club. Any club recommendations for Friday and Saturday? Maybe a medium sized place. I know the mega clubs will attract a bridge and tunnel crowd.

A random guy approaching bitches in Toronto doesn't work that well. Social Circle game works there. You walk into a place like the Beaconsfield off the street and try to pick up, your chances are slim to none. But as soon as the bitches see you know the bar staff, or the DJ, or the host of the party, their hamster comes to life. I can go into these places and be totally invisible until they see me drinking with the DJ and his buddies. It's cliquey like that. Once this tv journalist watched me make the rounds in there, then actually opened me with "You look like you know people." It's who you know - but even then it's difficult because there are so many cocks hovering around. I'd introduce you to some people if I was there.

Post: #29

Mystery is from TO...it's the birthplace of the modern PUA/game movement. Another Canadian claim to fame!

Post: #30

(11-02-2012 10:27 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  These nightlife photos are hilarious.

Looks like a gay bar from 2009.

It is funny how guys always wear the typical mall produced crap:

1. Dork in V-neck T? Check

2. Dork in Fedora? Check

3. Dork in "Western Style Plaid Shirt"? Check

It is the same in any crappy bar.

It is a crappy bar. It's for frat boys and stuck up bitches who ride horses. Or at least it used to be. Nowadays the crowd might be even less appealing.

Post: #31

Quote:Roosh just wants volume not ease its sounding like

I'd like to hit 10 approaches a night in regular places. Getting laid is nice, but I also want to talk to enough women to describe how this city compares to others in terms of attitude and vibe.

Post: #32

I edited my last post. Subtle changes that make it make more sense:

Quote:Yes last night was dead. The factors you aimed at we're true - weather plus it being after Halloween, and two big Electro concerts happened last night also. I regret not making it out on the 31 st but was way to busy. Went to a concert last might and when I went passed The Drake on a Streetcar shit did look dead as hell, seen a guitar and knew it was a snooze fest ("local" artist nights and Karaoke are boner killers for me). Cheval had a jam last night, was going to drop info on it - forget why I did not - It was a hip-hop jam with a strictly scenester crowd.

We will drop info for clubs. But in honesty the lounges trump them. The downtown whores are feminists and thus sluts, the girls from the suburbs are hesitant for SNLs only so they don't miss their ride home.

Thursday's I usually always find quite slow. Unless your hitting lounges most clubs will be a quarter full. Your playing roulette with it because paying 15-20$ bucks cover to drink 8$ drinks in a quarter filled club is the zenith of frustrations for me. I can't gamble like that so If I do go out Thursdays (I rarely do) it has to be to a Jam (one off parties, monthlys, etc). Right now if I do go out Thursdays its to the 'Beastmode' monthly at 'Parts and labour'.

Surprisingly that Earls when I went by on the Streetcar was still popping with a lot of suits - It was probably 11pm - I was surprised. I still get creeped that a mega-chain resto can be a spot to party in downtown?! This isn't Oakville now!

Did you hit anything in the daytime? Those spots like The Beacs and The Drake are better for Happy Hours which I did note in my list.

Don't fuck with Ossington tommrow night as It's too much of a gamble. I admit I am viewing Toronto through a locals eyes (I can gamble a night at a lounge to go after the 5 girls whom are more DTF). Roosh just wants volume not ease its sounding like, so he may find regular clubs appealing (to a point).

I'll recommend some spots once I load up my Facebook and scan my events page. Try a club Friday then a lounge Saturday.

(11-02-2012 10:30 AM)allgood Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 02:04 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The bars in Queens West are too small. I need a bigger place where I can approach a few girls, so I figure I should hit a club. Any club recommendations for Friday and Saturday? Maybe a medium sized place. I know the mega clubs will attract a bridge and tunnel crowd.

A random guy approaching bitches in Toronto doesn't work that well. Social Circle game works there. You walk into a place like the Beaconsfield off the street and try to pick up, your chances are slim to none. But as soon as the bitches see you know the bar staff, or the DJ, or the host of the party, their hamster comes to life. I can go into these places and be totally invisible until they see me drinking with the DJ and his buddies. It's cliquey like that. Once this tv journalist watched me make the rounds in there, then actually opened me with "You look like you know people." It's who you know - but even then it's difficult because there are so many cocks hovering around. I'd introduce you to some people if I was there.

I get you but your confusing DHV vs pure social circle game. I agree DHV works wonders and is something I try to exploit all the time if I can. The majority of dudes in Toronto are chill.. or at least are weak enough you can manipulate them to get what you want. So its easy to make friends with Bar-staff, promoters, Djs that sort of thing because more times then not they are just like you and just tryna get buy in this Godless City we call Tdot.

But with Social Circle game. I do not agree. Its a cop-out that dudes use here and it will always lead you into trouble here is why:

When I first moved here after my honeymoon faze of being the "new guy" I settled into a solid Social circle and was hanging out with these friends constantly. Ass was easy, somebody would have people over and I would swoop a broad each time but this is when things started to go wrong. See I was not down to be put into a stable or some bitches harem of orbiters, and this is where things started to go south. See unlike other places FEMALES run the Social circles here (Which explains the sorry state of the City, the Men lost the power to the town and females are running the show). So more times then not in a large crew the female is the top dog.. I kid you not. And so once you start dipping your dick in all her feline friends out of jealousy, spite or the necessity of keeping the group (which she is the most valued and in control ) from imploding she will purge your ass out. This differs from Male dominated Crews where the hoes get purged out. Its the exact opposite here. Unless your a chump ass Beta whom will submit to their powers they won't keep your ass around. When she (the lead hen) realized she could no extract/extort anything from me (value, connections, freebies, etc) she did a war like holocaust on my ass and made it so I could not steal any of the broads into my stable.

That's Social Circle game for a dude whom like sex and women in Toronto. Unless your subsidizing the group with freebies or your a weak spinned Beta whom will bow and submit yourself to shitty nights drinking sweet wine and watching homo-esque indie films from Kalcutta they will lynch you out.

You could argue that its wise to just bounce from Circle to Circle. But I tell you the City gets small this way unless your willing to expand your Circles to the hinterlands like Vaughn. For a dude whom stays Downtown like me its not really that big. Its big enough to slide through the cracks and bounce around the background. Its big enough that you can comfortably roll out solo if needed and preferred. But time and time again I am seeing the same faces. Toronto may have like 3-5 million people. But Downtown is like 500-700K that is like a mid-sized City if you put into perspective.

The best game is to take your homeboys and build a mini-empire for yourselves. Build a castle of DHV to lure the lizards in. That is the only way to guarantee... guarantee.... 100% guarantee a steady stream of kitty in Toronto. Which is why now I am tryna focus myself in weaseling into the part scene and get a job working for these party heads. Slow build up that empire. I am here for 2 years more at least so I should at least make the most of it while I am here.

(11-02-2012 11:25 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:Roosh just wants volume not ease its sounding like

I'd like to hit 10 approaches a night in regular places. Getting laid is nice, but I also want to talk to enough women to describe how this city compares to others in terms of attitude and vibe.

Okay. That's what I did figure. I forget this man does have a job at the end of the day so volume is important to gauge a place fairly.

I did write the advice from a locals standpoint but also I would not of gone to those lounges on Thursday myself.. only post work at The Drake or Beacs.. the rest are barren shells of ukulele playing odd balls.

Post: #33

(11-02-2012 11:36 AM)kosko Wrote:  I get you but your confusing DHV vs pure social circle game. I agree DHV works wonders and is something I try to exploit all the time if I can. The majority of dudes in Toronto are chill.. or at least are weak enough you can manipulate them to get what you want. So its easy to make friends with Bar-staff, promoters, Djs that sort of thing because more times then not they are just like you and just tryna get buy in this Godless City we call Tdot.

But with Social Circle game. I do not agree. Its a cop-out that dudes use here and it will always lead you into trouble here is why:

When I first moved here after my honeymoon faze of being the "new guy" I settled into a solid Social circle and was hanging out with these friends constantly. Ass was easy, somebody would have people over and I would swoop a broad each time but this is when things started to go wrong. See I was not down to be put into a stable or some bitches harem of orbiters, and this is where things started to go south. See unlike other places FEMALES run the Social circles here (Which explains the sorry state of the City, the Men lost the power to the town and females are running the show). So more times then not in a large crew the female is the top dog.. I kid you not. And so once you start dipping your dick in all her feline friends out of jealousy, spite or the necessity of keeping the group (which she is the most valued and in control ) from imploding she will purge your ass out. This differs from Male dominated Crews where the hoes get purged out. Its the exact opposite here. Unless your a chump ass Beta whom will submit to their powers they won't keep your ass around. When she (the lead hen) realized she could no extract/extort anything from me (value, connections, freebies, etc) she did a war like holocaust on my ass and made it so I could not steal any of the broads into my stable.

That's Social Circle game for a dude whom like sex and women in Toronto. Unless your subsidizing the group with freebies or your a weak spinned Beta whom will bow and submit yourself to shitty nights drinking sweet wine and watching homo-esque indie films from Kalcutta they will lynch you out.

You could argue that its wise to just bounce from Circle to Circle. But I tell you the City gets small this way unless your willing to expand your Circles to the hinterlands like Vaughn. For a dude whom stays Downtown like me its not really that big. Its big enough to slide through the cracks and bounce around the background. Its big enough that you can comfortably roll out solo if needed and preferred. But time and time again I am seeing the same faces. Toronto may have like 3-5 million people. But Downtown is like 500-700K that is like a mid-sized City if you put into perspective.

The best game is to take your homeboys and build a mini-empire for yourselves. Build a castle of DHV to lure the lizards in. That is the only way to guarantee... guarantee.... 100% guarantee a steady stream of kitty in Toronto. Which is why now I am tryna focus myself in weaseling into the part scene and get a job working for these party heads. Slow build up that empire. I am here for 2 years more at least so I should at least make the most of it while I am here.

Every word of this is true. It's really just a large small town. Every time I would meet a chick it would turn out she would already know some bitch who I was at war with. All the circles intersect. Every place I go, I have to scan the place to see if any of those 'lead hens' you describe are there. They talk shit about you behind your back. Bars, lounges, private parties; the dynamic you've described has ruined it for me too many times. Women have too much power and the place is too small for me. Thank god I'm out of there.

Good luck with your empire...

Post: #34

(11-02-2012 12:02 PM)allgood Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 11:36 AM)kosko Wrote:  I get you but your confusing DHV vs pure social circle game. I agree DHV works wonders and is something I try to exploit all the time if I can. The majority of dudes in Toronto are chill.. or at least are weak enough you can manipulate them to get what you want. So its easy to make friends with Bar-staff, promoters, Djs that sort of thing because more times then not they are just like you and just tryna get buy in this Godless City we call Tdot.

But with Social Circle game. I do not agree. Its a cop-out that dudes use here and it will always lead you into trouble here is why:

When I first moved here after my honeymoon faze of being the "new guy" I settled into a solid Social circle and was hanging out with these friends constantly. Ass was easy, somebody would have people over and I would swoop a broad each time but this is when things started to go wrong. See I was not down to be put into a stable or some bitches harem of orbiters, and this is where things started to go south. See unlike other places FEMALES run the Social circles here (Which explains the sorry state of the City, the Men lost the power to the town and females are running the show). So more times then not in a large crew the female is the top dog.. I kid you not. And so once you start dipping your dick in all her feline friends out of jealousy, spite or the necessity of keeping the group (which she is the most valued and in control ) from imploding she will purge your ass out. This differs from Male dominated Crews where the hoes get purged out. Its the exact opposite here. Unless your a chump ass Beta whom will submit to their powers they won't keep your ass around. When she (the lead hen) realized she could no extract/extort anything from me (value, connections, freebies, etc) she did a war like holocaust on my ass and made it so I could not steal any of the broads into my stable.

That's Social Circle game for a dude whom like sex and women in Toronto. Unless your subsidizing the group with freebies or your a weak spinned Beta whom will bow and submit yourself to shitty nights drinking sweet wine and watching homo-esque indie films from Kalcutta they will lynch you out.

You could argue that its wise to just bounce from Circle to Circle. But I tell you the City gets small this way unless your willing to expand your Circles to the hinterlands like Vaughn. For a dude whom stays Downtown like me its not really that big. Its big enough to slide through the cracks and bounce around the background. Its big enough that you can comfortably roll out solo if needed and preferred. But time and time again I am seeing the same faces. Toronto may have like 3-5 million people. But Downtown is like 500-700K that is like a mid-sized City if you put into perspective.

The best game is to take your homeboys and build a mini-empire for yourselves. Build a castle of DHV to lure the lizards in. That is the only way to guarantee... guarantee.... 100% guarantee a steady stream of kitty in Toronto. Which is why now I am tryna focus myself in weaseling into the part scene and get a job working for these party heads. Slow build up that empire. I am here for 2 years more at least so I should at least make the most of it while I am here.

Every word of this is true. It's really just a large small town. Every time I would meet a chick it would turn out she would already know some bitch who I was at war with. All the circles intersect. Every place I go, I have to scan the place to see if any of those 'lead hens' you describe are there. They talk shit about you behind your back. Bars, lounges, private parties; the dynamic you've described has ruined it for me too many times. Women have too much power and the place is too small for me. Thank god I'm out of there.

Good luck with your empire...

Its just plan to keep things going while I am here. You got out more props to you. Good luck to you abroad!

Post: #35

@ roosh might be worth having a look at BRASSAI on king west. medium sized placed usually busy

DRAKE on queen west also worth a look...

Drake can be slightly more hipster but these 2 places together would give you a sense of things...

Post: #36

+1 for parts and labour

Post: #37

I asked my buddy who went to Maddy's last night if it was a cockfest.

His words "It wasn't that bad".

Post: #38

(11-02-2012 01:37 PM)torontokid Wrote:  I asked my buddy who went to Maddy's last night if it was a cockfest.

His words "It wasn't that bad".

Lmao! @ that pic and your friend.

Post: #39

(11-02-2012 04:51 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 01:37 PM)torontokid Wrote:  I asked my buddy who went to Maddy's last night if it was a cockfest.

His words "It wasn't that bad".

Lmao! @ that pic and your friend.

Now you see what the problem is, guys in Toronto are settling for bars like these. They don't travel, if they do it is to other cockfests like Vegas/Cancun.
It is only right I come out and buy Roosh a drink, but those pics make me want to stay home.

Post: #40

(11-02-2012 01:37 PM)torontokid Wrote:  I asked my buddy who went to Maddy's last night if it was a cockfest.

His words "It wasn't that bad".

Heh. I went to all the rooms and it was never better than 3 guys for every girl, but only a small percentage of the girls were decent.

Post: #41

So I guess we won't be meeting there! Can we meet somewhere close to Union Stn? I am coming from the burbs lol

Post: #42

Out of all the venues I've been to so far, the first floor of the Drake is most suitable. Not too loud, not too dark, able to put together tables, and has food and drink.

Post: #43

damn multifloored clubs/bars? Theres one out here in vancouver that is pretty much 3 different clubs (different theme/dj each floor) but its mostly a gay bar. Other than that there arent really separate floors.

Post: #44

I can't find shit worthy of hype for this Friday night.

Hit up:

*Spice Route

*F-Stop

*This is London (TiL)

*The Hoxton - has a show tonight but it's a DJ named ZED. The space is big enough to blur the venue into a regular club even with the DJ.

*Cube

I'm stretching it here but it's a lob pass of spots that will have numbers. Try traditional club tonight Roosh and then try a lounge tomorrow.

(Kosko does not fully endorse that list)

Post: #45

is the dj ZED or ZEDD? if its ZEDD theres going to be lots of young chicks on molly wanting some dick.

Post: #46

(11-02-2012 07:52 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  is the dj ZED or ZEDD? if its ZEDD theres going to be lots of young chicks on molly wanting some dick.

Yes my bad - It's ZEDD the Russian guy. Good call! that would for sure bring out a lot of skanks - it will be busy.

Post: #47

go to a dollar store grab some glowsticks. start grinding on sluts. Maybe they have glow in the dark condoms too...

Post: #48

What about Andy Pool Hall on College?

Post: #49

I'm really glad Roosh is in Toronto so he can see what pain mans had to go through and settle for.
I want to see his views after his trip.

Post: #50

Toronto = where Mystery got his wings?

...if my memory is right, it is Mystery´s territory, or at least the placae where he got "famous" for becoming a PUA artist. No doubt Mystery must have fled this city by now.