Post: #176

On a side note, I wonder when Roosh is gonna come down to London!

Post: #177

Didn't Roosh already go to London? He said it sucks..

Post: #178

(11-20-2012 02:33 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  Because Matrix exudes masculinity, very few PUAs are like that. I don't wanna learn from the effeminate Yad or Sasha!

Bojangles, why don't we meet up at Oxford St some time, I'd like to see how YOU do it.

You do realize that mostly all successful daygame guys all follow the same type of model/structure that Yad and daygame.com teaches? Your results clearly stated by you are quite shitty. So why do you still keep doing what you're doing? The UK is the daygame capital of the world right now. The top guys techniques and methods have been proven successful there but you still refuse to accept that they have something to teach you simply because of they way you judge their looks and mannerisms?

I'm just looking to shorten your learning curve. If you would rather grind it out and cut your teeth on your own then more power to you. Personally I would rather look at what other successful guys are doing and implement that instead of trial and error. When I can successfully implement the basics then I start injecting my own style.

Post: #179

Actually I din't know that, anyways he was here for only 5 days, if he met up with someone who knows the city really well, he would have liked London. I can guarantee you London is better than DC! However, what he says about British girls make a lot of sense, British chick are usually quite stuck-up, obnoxious and loud..

Post: #180

(11-20-2012 02:33 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  Because Matrix exudes masculinity, very few PUAs are like that. I don't wanna learn from the effeminate Yad or Sasha!

Roosh coined the "elderly opener" in his book Day Game, which many guys here have used with great success. It's based on opening a girl the same way an elderly person opens you when they want to talk -- appearing harmless and just talking about small things that don't matter.

Would you also say you don't want to learn from elderly people?


Effeminate or not, that guy Yad nails the small talk and lighthearted banter in that video. And that's a very big part of daygame. You can learn something from him...and elderly people.

Post: #181

(11-20-2012 03:33 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 02:33 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  Because Matrix exudes masculinity, very few PUAs are like that. I don't wanna learn from the effeminate Yad or Sasha!

Roosh wrote coined the "elderly opener" in his book Day Game, which many guys here have used with great success. It's based on opening a girl the same way an elderly person opens you when they want to talk -- appearing harmless and just talking about small things that don't matter.

Would you also say you don't want to learn from elderly people?


Effeminate or not, that guy Yad nails the small talk and lighthearted banter in that video. And that's a very big part of daygame. You can learn something from him...and elderly people.

Last Sunday I saw Yad gaming in person, while he has a good tactic to stop the chicks, he gets rejected a lot, and he opens like this " Excuse me, Can I just say something?" with a very nice guy voice, hence I refuse to learn from him.

I already have Roosh's Day Bang, but I am too busy with my exams next month. I'm gonna give it a shot after my exams are over. However, it is important to be congruent, I started off with Janka's book, and before that I had approach anxiety and couldn't even approach, but now I have mad confidence and can literally open saying anything. One of the major reasons that I am not getting good results, is the fact that I am too serious and I almost never smile. It's not so easy to pull a fake smile, but I am trying to change anyway.

Post: #182

buy Krauser's book.

Krauser and the RSG crew (i'm gonna include Steve from puamarketing.com too) are the best daygamers in town with in my opinion the best method. Yad is very good as well, he's probably the best from the daygame.com crew but they are all effective.

Thug Muffin is right about London though, the guys honing their skills to an unbelievable level here and some have been doing it for far over 5 years.

I hit Oxford Street sometimes on Saturdays with MattC, we hardly 'sarge' these days, daygame is about opportunistic opening and that should happen anywhere on any day. To start off though you need to do these sarges to plough through and see what you're doing wrong. How many approaches have you done?

Post: #183

(11-20-2012 04:02 PM)bojangles Wrote:  buy Krauser's book.

Krauser and the RSG crew (i'm gonna include Steve from puamarketing.com too) are the best daygamers in town with in my opinion the best method. Yad is very good as well, he's probably the best from the daygame.com crew but they are all effective.

Thug Muffin is right about London though, the guys honing their skills to an unbelievable level here and some have been doing it for far over 5 years.

I hit Oxford Street sometimes on Saturdays with MattC, we hardly 'sarge' these days, daygame is about opportunistic opening and that should happen anywhere on any day. To start off though you need to do these sarges to plough through and see what you're doing wrong. How many approaches have you done?

Nearly 200 approaches, 18 numbers, 1 Bang, 4 dates.

Post: #184

That's a lot of approaches, you should have a better conversion rate by now, it's alright, keep at it but that not being able to smile is a problem. An initial smile (or smirk) as I do makes the interaction lighter for the girl.

Post: #185

200 approaches, 1 bang. Don't worry, your numbers will get better every month or so, assuming you are aware of your weaknesses and working hard to fix these weaknesses.

Since you rarely smile, I imagine your vibe is not very fun.

Alberto,

Are you a depressed person? Are you always unhappy?

Why don't you allow yourself to have fun? Why don't you smile?

Post: #186

How are you dressed?!

Post: #187

Giovanny, I am not depressed, in fact I enjoy life. I rarely smile, because this is the way I have always been, of course I still smirk when I meet up with a chick, or sometimes when I make eye contact. Hopefully though, I'm trying to change my serious vibe into somewhat playful, it's doable. Also, I got 3 supernumerary teeth, and my aren't aligned properly, so I refrain from smiling with teeth. As for having fun, I do have a lot of fun approaching, and I never take rejections personally.

GQ, I'm dressed like the average dude, I usually wear Nike Trainers, cheap Jeans, brand name Tees like Lee,Levis,AX,Tommy,EA7 and PU leather jackets, sometimes I also rock a proper leather jacket and leather boots. I cannot upgrade my wardrobe, not as long as I'm in London as a student.

Post: #188

(11-20-2012 05:05 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  Giovanny, I am not depressed, in fact I enjoy life. I rarely smile, because this is the way I have always been, of course I still smirk when I meet up with a chick, or sometimes when I make eye contact. Hopefully though, I'm trying to change my serious vibe into somewhat playful, it's doable. Also, I got 3 supernumerary teeth, and my aren't aligned properly, so I refrain from smiling with teeth. As for having fun, I do have a lot of fun approaching, and I never take rejections personally.

GQ, I'm dressed like the average dude, I usually wear Nike Trainers, cheap Jeans, brand name Tees like Lee,Levis,AX,Tommy,EA7 and PU leather jackets, sometimes I also rock a proper leather jacket and leather boots. I cannot upgrade my wardrobe, not as long as I'm in London as a student.

I said before, you need to look at yourself and evaluate what you're doing. You've done 200+ approaches and got 4 dates out of it. 4 dates out of 200.

"I rarely smile because this is the way I've always been". You need to change that you don't smile and you need to change the outlook that it's how you've always been. You need to change mate. No amount of advice on here is going to change you. You need to go away, think to yourself and do something about it instead of coming on here, telling everyone about your life, posting virtually the same scenario of every approach and talking about changing. Just go and do it, experiment with it.

Post: #189

random tip... direct game = quality > quantity.

Alberto, you said you go more direct now, that's fine, but just keep in mind that to pull off being direct and expressing your interest in a girl right off the bat you have to be honestly attracted to the girl. not kind of attracted. not kind of curious. but attracted for real. it's super hard to fake this.

i wanted to mention this cause it's very easy to choose and blindly follow one method like "why am i even asking these girls about some shit, i want to go direct and say what the fuck i think". it's all good but stuff you say and the vibe you give off have to be aligned with each other. it has to be authentic otherwise it always fails. are you THAT attracted to every girl you cold approach in direct fashion? if you are then i honestly envy you, but if you're not then don't go that direct, instead talk to them out of curiosity, less intense, gradually building up your interest in them....

it's much more normal to go direct on that kind of a girl:




instead of that kind of a girl:




My point is, direct day game is not really something to practice [like for example you play basketball for few hours to practice before the real game against the other team]. i mean, sure, you hone skills by interacting with the ones you want, but can you imagine practicing such approach on every chick? the practicing should be just a side effect, not the goal itself. to me every single girl you cold approach directly in day time you should legitimately want/desire in the first place. it feels real. so in other words if you're direct style enthusiast focus on hot chicks exclusively, approach less and go for top girls.

pure direct game is not a game. to quote eminem it's like "most purest, more rawest form, flow almost flawless, most hardest, most honest known artist". expressing yourself in that fashion in front of a random girl is kind of like being naked.

just a thought. good luck

Post: #190

You seem to always be finding excuses as to why you cant do something.

You have "shitty day game results" because you have a shitty attitude.

Its never you. Its the weather. Its because London girls are stuck up. Its because Yad has a soft voice. Its because you havent done enough approaches. Its because you have done too many approaches. Its because your clothes are not right. Its because the sun and mars where not aligned. Its because Uncle Roosh hasnt visited. Its because you have the wrong haircut. Its because you are not something else.

Its just never your problem. Its always someone elses problem.

Make yourself responsible for your own life.

Until you do, you will fail.

Post: #191

About the whole smile thing, I don't smile much and I can't complain much about my results.

Post: #192

I think he might have a point if he is ugly. No good looking girl wants to be with an ugly guy except if he is rich.

inbe4 "my friend is ugly and broke yet his gf is so hot"

(11-21-2012 09:57 AM)germanico Wrote:  You seem to always be finding excuses as to why you cant do something.

You have "shitty day game results" because you have a shitty attitude.

Its never you. Its the weather. Its because London girls are stuck up. Its because Yad has a soft voice. Its because you havent done enough approaches. Its because you have done too many approaches. Its because your clothes are not right. Its because the sun and mars where not aligned. Its because Uncle Roosh hasnt visited. Its because you have the wrong haircut. Its because you are not something else.

Its just never your problem. Its always someone elses problem.

Make yourself responsible for your own life.

Until you do, you will fail.

Post: #193

We saw a pic of him, he's an average looking dude who could improve a lot with a very short hair cut. Lose the facial hair too until you can grow it properly.

Post: #194

Alberto, where are those recorded approaches you said you were going to make?

Post: #195

(11-26-2012 05:29 AM)P Dog Wrote:  Alberto, where are those recorded approaches you said you were going to make?

I addressed it before, I don't have a Bluetooth mic, so I can't have my approaches recorded. I tried recording with my phone, didn't work.

Post: #196

should be easy to do with your phone, did it before in croatia holding iphone in my hand as i ran up and hitting record, it would vary in quality depending how far my hands were down but normally it caught the jist of what was going on.

Post: #197

(11-27-2012 06:59 AM)bojangles Wrote:  should be easy to do with your phone, did it before in croatia holding iphone in my hand as i ran up and hitting record, it would vary in quality depending how far my hands were down but normally it caught the jist of what was going on.

In a busy street like Oxford St, I wouldn't wanna have my phone out, but I will try it at Westfield on Saturday.

Post: #198

(11-29-2012 06:57 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

(11-27-2012 06:59 AM)bojangles Wrote:  should be easy to do with your phone, did it before in croatia holding iphone in my hand as i ran up and hitting record, it would vary in quality depending how far my hands were down but normally it caught the jist of what was going on.

In a busy street like Oxford St, I wouldn't wanna have my phone out, but I will try it at Westfield on Saturday.

shouldnt be a problem having your phone in your hand, thats what we did when we first started out. Then when you listen back you can see straight away where the problem's are in conversational technique, her responses and the vocal tones of you and her.

Post: #199

Tried recording with the phone out, and it was a massive failure,because with the phone out I could not focus on the chick. Despite being busy, last week I got 4 numbers, and only two of the chicks texted back, one had her boyfriend call me later on, and the other never picked up when I called her after replying to the inital text, talk about flakiness. Here goes the field reports one by one:

Chick 1 from Toronto: Stopped her on Oxford street the way Krauser stops chicks.
Me: Hi, I just noticed you walking by and I had to say hello to you. I think you look great today.
Her: Thank YOu
Me: Oh you sound American!
Her: No, Canadian
Me: I suppose you're from Toronto then
Her: How did you know?
Me: I'm a psychic
Her: Really?
Me: So what are you doing right now?
Her: Just going to meet my friendss
Me: Girls night out
Her: Yeah
Me: What's your name?
Her: Maria
Me: I'm Alberto
Her: Nice meeting you (extends her hand)
Me: No handshaking that's too formal ( we bumped fists instead)
Me: Look Maria, you seem great but I gotta run, why don't we have coffee?
Her: Sure
Me: What's your number?
her: xxxxx
Me: Aite, it was great meeting you
Her: You too ( We hug and part ways, I hugged her really hard).
I text this one, and she doesn't reply until the third time, and then we talk for a bit, but suddenly a dude calls me from her number and tells me" Do not harass my girlfriend!", I tell him "Go fuck yourself I ain't harassing that bitch, if she doesn't wanna talk tell her not to text me anymore"

Chick 2 from Sweden waiting for her train
Me: Hi there, I'm wearing two colognes today, and you have to tell me which one you like better.
Her: Ok
Me: (I let her smell both my left and right hands)
Her: The right one
Me: Makes sense, that's JP Gaultier
Her : Really?
Me: You don't sound British,lemme guess you're from Germany?
Her: No, Sweden
Me: I thought we're gonna play the guessing game! Are you not partying tonight?
Her: I already had a couple drinks, have to go home now, have work tomorrow. You?
Me: I gotta go home as well, gotta study.
Her: where are you from? the states?
Me: Yea
Her: Whereabouts?
Me: Guess
Her: I donno Chicago?
Me: No somewhere sunny
Her: California?
Me:Yes
Her: So how old are you?
Me: haha really?
Her: Yes
(Train approaches, and we board, she doesn't sit down so that she can talk to me)
Me: Well lemme give you a hint, my birthday is next week
Her: That doesn't help, just tell me
Me: 22
Her: I'm a little older, almost approaching 30s
Me: It's okay
Her: So why are you in London?
Me: Studying
Her: Where?
Me: KCL
Her: What do you study?
Me: You sure are curious. Business & Accounting
Her: Oh really? That's nice
Me: It's okay, the only reason I'm doing it is because I love math
Me: So what about you?
HEr: I work in a shipping company
ME: Oh that's really nice.
HEr: yea it is interesting
Me: I gotta say you've really nice eyes
Her: (Blushes) thank you
Me: What's your name?
Her: Ellinor? And yours?
Me: Alberto
Her: NIce meeting you Alberto
Me: Where are you headed Ellinor?
Her: Enfield
Me: Oh that's far
Her: yes & you?
ME: Wood green
Her: Oh wow I love Wood green
Me: is that because of the shopping street?
Her: yeah
Me: So how do you like London compared to home?
Her: It's okay but not the best, some places are very dirty, and the people can be rude.
Me: Agreed. I bet you would like LA better.
Her: i wanna go ther
Me: I can take you there (being Sarcastic)
Me: So Ellinor, let's get together soon, my birthday is coming up and ma be I will invite you if I throw a party
HEr: Oh ok. Take my card
We hug and I get off the train.
Later I text her "It was great meeting you. Hope you got home safe" she texts back in 4 minutes, " Hi you, it was really nice meeting you. Did you get home?"
I text her an hour later, as I was busy cooking, " yea, I was just cooking" Following day, I text her "What's up?" no replies, three days later it was sunny (rarely happens here), I text her "Hope you're enjoying this beautiful day Ellinor", no replies. Finally another couple days later, I call her and she does not pick up. GAME OVER, I realized she was drunk that night, and was just feeling horny, I should have capitalized on it.

Chick 3:
Me: Oh my god there's a huge green spider on your head (thanks to VITALYzdtv)
HEr: Really where?
Me: haha fooled you
Her: I knew it was a prank
Me: But I fooled you anyway
HEr: Yea, whatever
ME: How has your day been so far?
Her: Okay, not so bad, yours?
ME: Great
Me: You look like you're from Italy
HEr: Yes , how'd you know?
ME: i'm a psychic
HEr: Really?
Me: Of course not, can't believe you're so gullible.
Me: what's your name?
HEr: Katarina
ME: i'm Alberto
Her: YOu don't look Spanish
ME: That's cuz I'm not
HEr: So what are you then?
Me: Let's talk about that later, I gotta run now, but I am going out tomorrow night, you can hang out with us if you want.
Her: Sure, take my phone, I donno know my number
Me: (So I call myself) only to figure out it's an Italian number
Me: So you still have an Italian number?
Her: I've only been in the country for a week now
Me: Oh okay, I will see you tomorrow
HEr: See you (we hug and I leave the Covent Garden Piazza)

Chick 4 (Coming towards me)
ME: How are ya?
HEr: i'm good and you? (She stopped, I din't have to say stop,shove her on the shoulder or even grab her arm)
Me: I am great, I just had to say hello to you.
HEr: haha my boyfriend's just literally over there.
ME: so you look like you've been shopping a lot today. Isn't it really crowded today?
HER: yes it is.
ME: Oxford street's like a zoo
HEr: Agreed, Covent garden is better.
Me: I can see that. So where's the party at tonight?
HEr: I literally just moved here 6 days ago
ME: Lemme guess you came from Manchester.
Her: No from Edinburgh
ME: Oh wow I love Scotland, I've been to Glasgow, and I liked it better than London
Her: Really? But I think Edinburgh is better
Ne: Well maybe, I didn't go there yet
Her: You have yo
Me: Yes I will. You have really nice hair, what's your name?
Her: isla
Me: Like Isla Fisher?
Her: Yea
Me: So I take it you watched Wedding Crashers
HEr: Yes , I loved it.
ME: That's really good to know. So are you a student Isla?
Her: No I just graduated. You?
Me: Well I'm still a student, speaking of I got an exam tomorrow, but we should hang out some time.
Her: I have a boyfriend
Me: I don't care if you have a boyfriend, I am new to this city and don't have friends at all, you're gonna be my friend, and we will hang out.
Her: Okay.
Me: SHoot
HEr:xxxxxxx
ME: I'm calling you right now you should get my number
Her: (Shows me the phone) Spell your name for me
Me:.........
Me: Isla, I really gotta go study, I'll next week.
Her: It was really nice meeting you (We hug and I head towards the station).
I text this bitch after 24 hours, " Hey Isla, it was great meeting you" She did not reply.

Bottom Line: I'd love to meet up with somebody like Krauser or Jon Matrix, but it is impossible for me to do right now. Daygame is really time-consuming, but I got all the time now that exams are over, and I am unemployed.

Next week I'm flying to NYC for my sister's wedding, and I had to basically my friend to loan me some money so that I could buy the tickets. My fuckin' bank won't loan me a penny, I just asked for 1000 pounds and they rejected it.

Post: #200

man Alberto, I read the first two.


You ever pick up the metro, they have this segment everyday, called 60 seconds. Your conversations felt like that. Some of them there's no intent I think, it's like you are having a nice chat, being nice, complimenting them nicely, you open direct but there's no sexual escalation at all. Some you eject way to early you've not even built any attraction. Swedish girl would have been DTF but you needed to escalate.