Post: #1

Hi all,

TLDR - more red pill, fitter, nicer clothes, yet less quantity and quality in dating in 2015.

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2013: I came again on the market in second half (at 35) and had about 8 notches, mostly 3-6. I was quite fit, but not very well dressed always.

2014: I took red pill, and spent a lot of time 'dating' and had 25 odd notches, including a mini-relationship with a solid 8 (or 9/9.5 if I consider her ever pleasant personality and really fit body). Had met her through a friend, and we broke up when she figured that I was not going to commit. There were two other 8's (both social circle), a few 7s (mainly CL), many 6s (mainly okc) but also a couple of 4's.

2015: I carried over two chics from Dec 2014 (one 6, one 7), and another FWB (6). Decided that I won't engage less than 7, and will focus more on 8s. I have been always dressing well, tiny bit more buffed, more red pill, and somehow both quantity and quality of new dates has gone down. Most dates with 7s now end up with kisses, but no second date. I haven't had a date with a 9 since what seems like forever. And on top, a few girls (including first timers and social circle chics) say that I am player.
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TLDR - more red pill, fitter, nicer clothes, yet less quantity and quality in dating in 2015.

What gives? Any suggestions on how to reverse this dip? Is it that as I'm meeting my three girls almost every week, I'm "not hungry enough"? OKC response rate is also lower - that could be because most girls have seen me in one year plus.

Thanks in advance.

Post: #2

There are so many possible confounding variables, but for sure dressing better and being in better shape is not hurting you- especially with the higher-end girls.

Perhaps you are getting less attention from the 3-6 girls that you seem to be rather fond of (not judging haha) because they disqualify themselves, they automatically look at you know and think they'd get P&D'd.

You probably found your own problem- radiating the player vibe. Plus, perhaps you're a bit thirsty for those 8's and 9's.

I'm no fashion guru, but nicer (more expensive) clothes doesn't necessarily mean better style- especially if you don't feel authentic in them. Perhaps you've gone too far with the clothes, and they are part of the reason you're putting off the player vibe.

I think we'd all need a bit more information to really help diagnose what's going on here.

Post: #3

You burned through your easiest options, now you have to go out and meet even more girls to have that same abundance.

My game is way up but my notches are slightly lower because Ive fished too much in the same ponds, and it takes time to find new ones.

Post: #4

That's because the quality that you're going after is way better than before. You've already experience many 5 and 6's, so now you don't even get that "jolt" when you see them since you ran through them. Believe me you Game is wayyy better then before!

Unfortunately that's the small catch 22 of being a playa my friend: The better you become, the better quality you want, and then the harder it gets, because # 1) These girls have more guys going after them and # 2) That 5-6 that you had a raging desire to Bang before is not even registering on your radar anymore. Every Playa goes through it so don't worry about it and move away from your lay count and focus on quality

Post: #5

(05-23-2015 04:16 AM)Moto Wrote:  You probably found your own problem- radiating the player vibe. Plus, perhaps you're a bit thirsty for those 8's and 9's.

Yes, this is likely. I think the player vibe is partly reputation - I was spinning too many plates at the same time last year, and word must have got out. Plus I still get affected when a 8 or a 9 flakes. I need to be Zen like. But I am not thirsty as I usually meet my three girls on rotation every week - they are all quite pleasant. So maybe it's the opposite - I am just not hungry enough to push as much?!

(05-23-2015 04:16 AM)Moto Wrote:  I'm no fashion guru, but nicer (more expensive) clothes doesn't necessarily mean better style- especially if you don't feel authentic in them. Perhaps you've gone too far with the clothes, and they are part of the reason you're putting off the player vibe.

I think we'd all need a bit more information to really help diagnose what's going on here.

Nothing over the top, just fitted shirts and trousers, good quality shoes and cologne. Sometimes fitted polo t-shirts and jeans. So player vibe is reputation or behavior that I am unable to decode as of now.

(05-23-2015 08:54 AM)Lochte Wrote:  You burned through your easiest options, now you have to go out and meet even more girls to have that same abundance.

Very likely.

(05-23-2015 11:58 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  That's because the quality that you're going after is way better than before. You've already experience many 5 and 6's, so now you don't even get that "jolt" when you see them since you ran through them. Believe me you Game is wayyy better then before!

Thanks, that's helpful to keep in mind.

Charging it to the game.

And another flake just now. Good start to the week.

Post: #6

Do you really think there's way to increase aesthetic?

Post: #7

My guess would be that you are disqualifying more girls; your taste buds are more refined so to speak

You mentioned you desire not being at a premium, here's a very timely link to a recent post by Roosh - http://www.rooshv.com/horniness-solves-s...e-problems

Also the player vibe you speak of is likely not hurting you

Remember women crave a guy that's in demand

Post: #8

I notice how you don't really talk about your game much.

Like shaving 2 percentage points off your body fat means something after the first 15 minutes of the conversation.

Nice clothes
Nice body
Money
Central location
Cool car
happening social life
God in the Sack

Doesn't mean anything if you can't REALLY talk to these chicks.
If you're failing to connect, then you won't get the bang or the second date.

Am I really running game? Or am I just dating?

WIA

Post: #9

(05-25-2015 09:37 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  You mentioned you desire not being at a premium, here's a very timely link to a recent post by Roosh - http://www.rooshv.com/horniness-solves-s...e-problems

Thanks MDP, this is great!

(05-25-2015 09:37 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Also the player vibe you speak of is likely not hurting you

I would think it is hurting because social circles intersect a lot more in Singapore - it's a small city state afterall.

(05-25-2015 11:01 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I notice how you don't really talk about your game much.

Like shaving 2 percentage points off your body fat means something after the first 15 minutes of the conversation.

Nice clothes
Nice body
Money
Central location
Cool car
happening social life
God in the Sack

Doesn't mean anything if you can't REALLY talk to these chicks.
If you're failing to connect, then you won't get the bang or the second date.

Am I really running game? Or am I just dating?

WIA

Haha, thank you WIA for the reality check. I always like your posts for the candid and sometimes brutal questions you ask. Thankfully, I could tick all of the above except car. And solid logistics too.

But anyway, yes, I've noticed that I've become less and less forgiving of faults - lack of personality of a girl, or if she flakes, or if tries to act 'smarty pants'. I don't tolerate the overly complicated scheduling after date 1. It's within a week, or out. So maybe I'm being too harsh on chic and myself as well? Not as smooth as I should be (last year, I was not smooth, but I was definitely more easygoing)

I was thinking more on this earlier today - and also realize that I am able to get first kiss out of the way always on the first date, but then the second date is tougher. In case of my 8's or high 7's last year, I didn't kiss them on first date. Not one. I tolerated them last year, not now.

There are a fair few factors here, but hope I'll improve upon this minor blip soon.

Post: #10

(05-25-2015 11:39 AM)bike0369 Wrote:  But anyway, yes, I've noticed that I've become less and less forgiving of faults - lack of personality of a girl, or if she flakes, or if tries to act 'smarty pants'. I don't tolerate the overly complicated scheduling after date 1. It's within a week, or out. So maybe I'm being too harsh on chic and myself as well? Not as smooth as I should be (last year, I was not smooth, but I was definitely more easygoing)

I was thinking more on this earlier today - and also realize that I am able to get first kiss out of the way always on the first date, but then the second date is tougher. In case of my 8's or high 7's last year, I didn't kiss them on first date. Not one. I tolerated them last year, not now.

There are a fair few factors here, but hope I'll improve upon this minor blip soon.

Sounds like your just dating, and your standards are moving up.

Doesn't sound like you're actively changing the emotions or leading these chicks where you want them to go.

If you don't want to dazzle em/hook em/leade em, you've just got to increase the volume of chicks to get your results.

But if you're in a small pool, it's going to be difficult. There's probably only so many high end bars/clubs and so many day game spots that you'll run out of chicks worthy enough to talk to. To me, that means that your rap has to be that much better.

WIA

Post: #11

Being more "red pill" doesn't necessarily make you more attractive to women.

Nicer clothes are great but they have to be congruent with your personality, vibe, and level of game.

A good body is nice but your tongue is your most important muscle.

There is a lot more to it than just clothes and working out!

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Its easy to go from bad to "average".

Its HARD to go from average to good!

Its even HARDER to go from good to GREAT!

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Moto, Lochte, Captian GH, My Detriot Playas and WIA have answered all of your questions beautifully.

You got the clothes and the body, now, work on your Game!

Post: #12

Thanks WIA, Giovonny.

Agreed, there is something missing - I am unable to connect or lead the chicks which was pretty fine last year.

Had two new dates in last two days - both started fun, but ended kind of awkwardly. In the first one with a 7.5, I focused a lot more on connection (the girl was on the serious side), asked her questions (including some from that list of 34 questions), and held her hand while crossing road etc, and led her to couple places. But it ended awkwardly as she 'was feeling sleepy'.

The one today with a solid 8, or even 9- I focussed on making it fun, we laughed a lot, but it still ended without a kiss after an hour and half. The girl gave me a big hug, and when I tried to kiss, she said "Don't kiss me". I laughed it away and said "you really think so?" but didn't kiss her.

In last few months, I've read a few books on game (including Bang). Last year it was solely this forum. Maybe I am expecting too much, and hence putting too much pressure on myself, or maybe I need to internalize few learnings (and read this forum a lot more again), but there is something off.