Post: #101

Giovanny, I was being sarcastic.

As for the excuses that chick at the subway station came up with, ' I am vey busy with masters coursework and everything, I do not think I can meet up' and in reply I said ' i am busy with my studies too but I think we can figure something out' and the chick replied ' Sorry I can't, I am just very busy'.

I have been speaking English all my life, I speak with a fluent California Accent.

Post: #102

XXL, sounds great, I will try it today.

TXH, I'd like to read the Fashion Bible again, but I got exams and very little time to read . I can't read anything new until December 15th. As for having a role model, I once bumped into a PUA called "Jon Matrix", this guy is alpha as fuck, and he knows exactly what he is doing, but unfortunately he doesn't help anyone for free, he works for a company that charges 50-100 pounds per daygame session (I call it BS). Earlier, I talked about a Turkish PUA, he is okay, but nothing like Jon Matrix.


Field Report with chick seating beside me 7/10:
I observe her playing a game on iphone for 30 seconds and open
Me: Hey what is it that you're playing
Her: Oh hey, it's Angry Birds
Me: Really, I've heard a lot about it, how do you play it?
Her: Blah Blah Blah
Me: You look like you've gotten really good at this
Her: Balh Blah
Me: You sound American, are you from Philly?
Her: No, I am from NY
Me: Brooklyn,Manhattan or Queens?
Her: Queens
Me: Nice, so you're a student aren't you?
Her: Yes
Me: Exhcange student?
Her: No, Im doing Masters at UCL
Me: That's great
Her: Where are you from?
Me: Santa Monica
Her: Well then you must really hate the weather here
Me: I sure do, do you like it?
Her: It's not that bad
Me: Coming from NY you're used to the cold weather
Her: Yeah, so are you a exchange student or masters?
Me: Exchange (Should have said masters, now she knows I am younger)
Her: Which school in the US do you go to?
Me: Cal State and where did you graduate from?
Her: Cornell
Me: Oh Wow, Cornell.......
Her: Haha .. yeah
Me: What's your name
Her: Christina
Me: Nice to meet you
Her: What's your name
Me: Alberto
Me: I suppose you met up with Brady & the boys yesterday
Her: No, did you?
Me: Well I went there, but by the time I was there he was gone
Her: That's a bummer
Me: Yeah, I'm going to Haymarket to watch the Rams V Patriots game, you coming?
Her: I don't like either one of those two, I like Giants
Me: But I'm sure you like Brady
Her: No I think he's a douce
Me: Why is that? I thought all the girls liked him
Her: You know, you kind hear stuff about him that aren't so nice ...
Me: (Only 2 minutes away from her stop) Christina, I had a really good time talking to you, let's meet up and grab a coffee some time
Her: I don't know if I can, I am so busy with school
Me: I'm busy too, but I suppose we can figure out something convenient
Her: I'm sorry I can't
Me: Cool

Post: #103

Post: #104

What is PR department though?

Post: #105

(10-30-2012 08:01 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  What is PR department though?

Public Relations Department

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #106

Alberto, you started good thread about getting better at daygame so let's all share some wisdom. we both seen it, let others see it too.

approaching girl(s) on the move in daytime.. decoded





the underlying principle is to act normal. as if the girl(s) already know you. therefore you're not doing stupid shit and put extra effort which is exact thing that makes it weird.

Post: #107

(10-31-2012 08:32 AM)XXL Wrote:  Alberto, you started good thread about getting better at daygame so let's all share some wisdom. we both seen it, let others see it too.

approaching girl(s) on the move in daytime.. decoded





the underlying principle is to act normal. as if the girl(s) already know you. therefore you're not doing stupid shit and put extra effort which is exact thing that makes it weird.

Exactly! Assuming familiarity and being yourself are part of the game. I realized indirect opinion openers are just mot me, when I do them, I come off as try hard!

Post: #108

(10-30-2012 06:53 AM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  XXL, sounds great, I will try it today.

TXH, I'd like to read the Fashion Bible again, but I got exams and very little time to read . I can't read anything new until December 15th. As for having a role model, I once bumped into a PUA called "Jon Matrix", this guy is alpha as fuck, and he knows exactly what he is doing, but unfortunately he doesn't help anyone for free, he works for a company that charges 50-100 pounds per daygame session (I call it BS). Earlier, I talked about a Turkish PUA, he is okay, but nothing like Jon Matrix.


Field Report with chick seating beside me 7/10:
I observe her playing a game on iphone for 30 seconds and open
Me: Hey what is it that you're playing
Her: Oh hey, it's Angry Birds
Me: Really, I've heard a lot about it, how do you play it?
Her: Blah Blah Blah
Me: You look like you've gotten really good at this
Her: Balh Blah
Me: You sound American, are you from Philly?
Her: No, I am from NY
Me: Brooklyn,Manhattan or Queens?
Her: Queens
Me: Nice, so you're a student aren't you?
Her: Yes
Me: Exhcange student?
Her: No, Im doing Masters at UCL
Me: That's great
Her: Where are you from?
Me: Santa Monica
Her: Well then you must really hate the weather here
Me: I sure do, do you like it?
Her: It's not that bad
Me: Coming from NY you're used to the cold weather
Her: Yeah, so are you a exchange student or masters?
Me: Exchange (Should have said masters, now she knows I am younger)
Her: Which school in the US do you go to?
Me: Cal State and where did you graduate from?
Her: Cornell
Me: Oh Wow, Cornell.......
Her: Haha .. yeah
Me: What's your name
Her: Christina
Me: Nice to meet you
Her: What's your name
Me: Alberto
Me: I suppose you met up with Brady & the boys yesterday
Her: No, did you?
Me: Well I went there, but by the time I was there he was gone
Her: That's a bummer
Me: Yeah, I'm going to Haymarket to watch the Rams V Patriots game, you coming?
Her: I don't like either one of those two, I like Giants
Me: But I'm sure you like Brady
Her: No I think he's a douce
Me: Why is that? I thought all the girls liked him
Her: You know, you kind hear stuff about him that aren't so nice ...
Me: (Only 2 minutes away from her stop) Christina, I had a really good time talking to you, let's meet up and grab a coffee some time
Her: I don't know if I can, I am so busy with school
Me: I'm busy too, but I suppose we can figure out something convenient
Her: I'm sorry I can't
Me: Cool

You ran all the boring questions:Where are you from?Where do you study?What is your name? all the stuff the average guy says.Also referring to sports which most girls find limiting and boring.Video games as well.The point is to use combos.For example:
Angry birds-Rovio.
-I see you are playing angry birds.Is it because you want to make Rovio rich?Or:
-Are you good at angry birds?Or does Rovio make things difficult for you?

New York-Sandy.
Did you come from New York to avoid Sandy?Or
Did you come from New York taken by Sandy?
etc
Or New York-Manhattan-Wall Street-famous theaters etc.

Post: #109

It was before Sandy! Indirect is either boring questions or boring storytelling routines!
I've never played Angry birds before, and have no idea who or what Rovio is.

Post: #110

(10-31-2012 08:32 AM)XXL Wrote:  approaching girl(s) on the move in daytime.. decoded





the underlying principle is to act normal. as if the girl(s) already know you. therefore you're not doing stupid shit and put extra effort which is exact thing that makes it weird.

The act normal part is spot on. I don't subscribe to the way he stops moving sets though. I don't see how it would work on a busy street at all. So I see a girl walking towards me 10 feet away. She's got a woman and guy on both sides of her. I'm just going to talk loudly at all of them and then walk up? You know who does that? Creepy wacked out guys on the street.

I'd rather just do the Yad stop. It shows balls, decisiveness, and a man that goes after what he wants. If you want to learn daygame then I suggest daygame.com, krauserpua.com, or even sashapua.com although he's a little too comical for me.

Post: #111

Screw them! Yad,Sasha,Terrero all of them are far too polite, I have seen them in action, they're not aggressive enough, and they suck up to women!
Ima go John Leslie on 'em

Post: #112

i also like jeremy soul style, direct yet tasteful. on the other hand guys like Cajun or Janka who represent more linear/indirect style kills it too. so don't go so black or white. both styles are proven to work.

btw, why do you praise aggresiveness in daytime?

Post: #113

I do street game at night as well, and that's when aggressiveness helps! BTW Halloween was a disaster here, it's been raining cats and dogs.

Post: #114

Oh BTW what's the name of Brad P's book, the one with shockers and contingency openers?

Post: #115

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:Oh BTW what's the name of Brad P's book, the one with shockers and contingency openers?

Use Google.

Post: #116

Oh man, I've just read this whole thread, it was a difficult read. I think Beyond Borders got it spot on and XXL has popped some top notch advice in for you too.

I'm in London, I daygame here, in fact I daygame everywhere I go. I'm direct 95% of the time (Tell them why I stopped, my name and stick my hand out(they never walk away, social conditioning means they naturally go to shake it) I use their name as a stack) and I get blown out once or twice in every 10 opens now. What I'd want to see is what your actual body language is like when you're stopping girls, what the distance between you and girl is when you stop them. You say your wing is useless, can you not get him to record a set of you stopping a girl? How fast do you talk? Do you rush your opener? Does your voice go up and down in pitch? A lot of the time I think if you have the conversational skills, your actual open and transition into vibing are key, after that you can do whatever the hell you like.

Also I don't get why you need to have a time limit on your set. A wing of mine was in one position for 30 minutes with a HB, he stood stationary holding his body language while she bounced around him, the set went great for him, he ended it with a long kiss and this girl was bouncing on his bed that same night. There's Steve escalating fast and getting a kiss off a girl in 5 minutes and then there's Jimmy just standing there, letting her talk, telling her she's silly, reminding her why he stopped her every 3/4 minutes "you know why i stopped you right because the way you walk in those boots is fucking sexy...what were you saying?" (some shit like that). It's on each individual set, you can judge if a woman is in a rush by how fast she walks and how she sways her arms, even if a girl is in a rush you can still stop them, there's a few key lines I use for this that stops them dead.

quick example:

HB - "hey, this was unexpected, but I've got to go, my tram is coming"
Me - "yeah, there's trams every 2 minutes"
HB - "so you're saying I should stay here and talk to you"
HB - "what are you doing tonight?"

Me - "hey"
HB - "hey, sorry I'm in a rush"
Me - <arms out with both hands saying stop> "Hey, listen (use your finger like you're telling a dog off haha), listen....I was over there with my friends and I noticed you marching by furiously, you are crazy and cute in equal measure, i'm Bojangles"
HB - "haha, noo i've just go to get <don't give a shit>, I'm HB"


There's no need to lie in daygame either, you can manipulate what you say to her to make it sound good without lying. "Yes I've been here in London for 2 months now, my university selects the top students every year to send on an exchange program to UCL (or wherever the fuck you're at)"
"Hate the weather? Well it doesn't compare to California that is certain, but this is London lady, no matter the weather there are 100s of things one can do every day/night/evening it's hard to find that anywhere else, I like it."

I'm out daygaming in town tomorrow, it's cold but who gives a fuck, I might even see you, unless you look different from that pic you posted.

Post: #117

Bojangles, did you join up with Saturday Sarge? I was daygaming with my wingman, and there was a massive newbie PUA crowd in front of Topshop Oxford Circus. I donno where that group went, but it seemed to me that their main coach did not go with them.

Yesterday I got three numbers, but the one that told me that she would like to meet up on Tuesday won't pick up the phone. FR, chick wearing Bose hps
Me: (I tap her shoulder as she is headed to the opposite direction) Hey, Do you where Marble Arch is, I am a little confused if it's this way or that..
Her She taps my shoulder,says hey and smiles) I am not sure, but lemme ask someone who knows (she proceeds to wak to the Primark security guy, at this point I grab her arm, and drag her to me)
Me: Hey no need to ask anyone, I know exactly where it is, I just wanted to talk to you because I think you are cute. (She smiles and playfully hits my right shoulder)
Me: What's your name?
Her: Kelly
Me:Don't tell me you're a student
Her: No I am not, but are you?
Me: Yes
Her: Where you from, you sound American
Me: LA
Her: What part of LA?
Me: Culver City
Her: Oh wow, I lived in Beverly Hills for 3 months
Me: How was it?
Her: Amazing
Me: So Kelly, let's hang out
Hre: What right now?I got a meeting now.
Me: Not right now, I have to meet up w friends
So let's meet up on Minday.
Her: I can do Tuesday, but where?
Me: Fair enough, I will let you know where
Her: Cool
Me:What's your number?
Her: You give me yours, Ima call you now
Me:xxxxxx, yea go it, I am Alberto btw
Her: Alberto.
We hug and part ways.....

So 24 hrs after the number close, I call her, but she doesn't pick up, but instead texts 'Who's This??' I text back 5 mins later, ' Oh hey Kelly, Alberto here, are we still on for Tuesday?' No replies yet, I am quite certain she met someone last night, fuck Saturdays! She was giving me genuine IOIs, only one other girl from yesterday did that, out of the 20 chicks I approached.

I prefer talking less because difficult women are always gonna be difficult, no matter how long you talk. The more you invest the more shattered you are gonna be if you get turned down!

As for recording me, that is not an option as I don't have a camcorder! But WTH I might ask the wingman to record me with my phone. My body language is laid back, and not confrontational. Due to my deep voice, some women are intimidated when I say 'hey',and I enjoy that quite a lot, when I say did I scare you, they qualify themselves and say 'No...'

Most of my number closes are Arab/Mid-eastern women, American,Italian,French and Eastern European women. Surprisingly I always get turned down by British skanks!

Post: #118

(11-04-2012 03:16 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  So 24 hrs after the number close, I call her, but she doesn't pick up, but instead texts 'Who's This??' I text back 5 mins later, ' Oh hey Kelly, Alberto here, are we still on for Tuesday?' No replies yet, I am quite certain she met someone last night, fuck Saturdays! She was giving me genuine IOIs, only one other girl from yesterday did that, out of the 20 chicks I approached.

Looks like you're new to the game. Hang in there buddy, what you wrote above is happening a million times every second to all the players around the world, no need to fret over it. So firstly, internalize it hard that it is a numbers game. Keep trying different variations, keep getting more numbers, slowly slowly it'll all start to work out. And btw, never ask a girl "are we still on", it's off putting, instead just ask "wanna grab a drink tuesday?".

Quote:I prefer talking less because difficult women are always gonna be difficult, no matter how long you talk. The more you invest the more shattered you are gonna be if you get turned down!

If you want to succeed in this game, grow a thick fucking skin. This is absolutely NO reason at all to feel shattered.

Post: #119

(10-30-2012 06:53 AM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  XXL, sounds great, I will try it today.

TXH, I'd like to read the Fashion Bible again, but I got exams and very little time to read . I can't read anything new until December 15th. As for having a role model, I once bumped into a PUA called "Jon Matrix", this guy is alpha as fuck, and he knows exactly what he is doing, but unfortunately he doesn't help anyone for free, he works for a company that charges 50-100 pounds per daygame session (I call it BS). Earlier, I talked about a Turkish PUA, he is okay, but nothing like Jon Matrix.


Field Report with chick seating beside me 7/10:
I observe her playing a game on iphone for 30 seconds and open
Me: Hey what is it that you're playing
Her: Oh hey, it's Angry Birds
Me: Really, I've heard a lot about it, how do you play it?
Her: Blah Blah Blah

LOL

Post: #120

# quick random tip
when you take her number try to text or call her few minutes after the approach. if she texts back cool. if she pick up the phone even better. more investment on her part means less probability of flaking later.

Post: #121

This Middle-Eastern chick who I exchanged numbers with yesterday ,texted me around 12.30 am, I was surprised she initiated it 'Hi Al....really nice meeting you, and I hope to see you again soon ' I replied 'Sweet dreams L, see you soon', couple of hours ago I asked her out via text 'Hey, Let's meet up tomorrow or the day after at Soho, I know a great place, and I am sure you will like it'
Still awaiting reply from chick#2. Once I get good at this, I will multi-book like Janka.
My daygame stats are poor, but I ain't ever giving up! I need to focus on building more comfirt, and set up day 2s before number closing.

Post: #122

(11-04-2012 05:58 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  This Middle-Eastern chick who I exchanged numbers with yesterday ,texted me around 12.30 am, I was surprised she initiated it 'Hi Al....really nice meeting you, and I hope to see you again soon ' I replied 'Sweet dreams L, see you soon', couple of hours ago I asked her out via text 'Hey, Let's meet up tomorrow or the day after at Soho, I know a great place, and I am sure you will like it'
Still awaiting reply from chick#2. Once I get good at this, I will multi-book like Janka.
My daygame stats are poor, but I ain't ever giving up! I need to focus on building more comfirt, and set up day 2s before number closing.

Your reply to angry birds part still cracks me up

Post: #123

No I didn't do Saturday Sarge, I never do. I daygame with Matt C off this forum, who incidentally did one of the best daygame sets I've ever seen.

Post: #124

I wouldn't say I have day game, but I would definitely say that I just know how to talk to people. I engage with people all the time "in the street"; we can talk about anything. Going through some of the posts here (especially XXL's), I've noticed that a lot of his conversation tips are things I naturally do. At the same time, there are some aspects of conversation that I've never even considered. For example, XXL advised to get the girls on a sort of emotional rocking chair between positive and negative emotions so that she feels aroused when she sees you. I naturally fall into the "keep everything positive" vibe when I'm trying to court a girl.

The problem for me,I think, is that it's very easy to get friend zoned by the more attractive girls. Being normal is easy, and I have my fair share of conversation with attractive women. But letting the woman know that I'm attracted to her...that's a little difficult. I've been friend zoned one too many times, and it has left a bitter of a taste in my mouth, so I generally don't engage women the attractive women I see on the street. In other words, I find myself having more trouble talking to a seven that I really like, but I have no problems talking to a 9 or a 10 that I just happen to sit next to on the bus that day.

Any tips or insight for my situation? I'm planning on just approaching more girls that I'm way more attracted to, but repetition only leads to expertise if I can identify where I falter.

Post: #125

(11-04-2012 09:54 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  I wouldn't say I have day game, but I would definitely say that I just know how to talk to people. I engage with people all the time "in the street"; we can talk about anything. Going through some of the posts here (especially XXL's), I've noticed that a lot of his conversation tips are things I naturally do. At the same time, there are some aspects of conversation that I've never even considered. For example, XXL advised to get the girls on a sort of emotional rocking chair between positive and negative emotions so that she feels aroused when she sees you. I naturally fall into the "keep everything positive" vibe when I'm trying to court a girl.

The problem for me,I think, is that it's very easy to get friend zoned by the more attractive girls. Being normal is easy, and I have my fair share of conversation with attractive women. But letting the woman know that I'm attracted to her...that's a little difficult. I've been friend zoned one too many times, and it has left a bitter of a taste in my mouth, so I generally don't engage women the attractive women I see on the street. In other words, I find myself having more trouble talking to a seven that I really like, but I have no problems talking to a 9 or a 10 that I just happen to sit next to on the bus that day.

Any tips or insight for my situation? I'm planning on just approaching more girls that I'm way more attracted to, but repetition only leads to expertise if I can identify where I falter.

The very attractive girls know their value, you've got to push down their value below your value. It is really as simple as that, if you're able in the interaction to show you're of a high value, that pussy tingle in the chick will activate and she will see mating potential (for you, anal potential).

Friend zoning in my eyes can happen due to a conversation with a girl becoming a routine conversation, one that you would have with your mates or that she would have with her mates. You've got to remind the girl why you're talking to her, it's not because she's got a nice purse, or that she's reading a book.

2 minutes in "you know why I stopped you right, you are really cute..carry on"
You know you're winning when after a few minutes, she's doing all the talking, crossing her legs, bouncing around you as you hold solid in one spot standing there saying 'hmm' and looking unimpressed but showing your sexual intentions with your eyes.

Change the way you're talking to these girls, show your sexual intent. Repeatedly if need be. MattC should do a transcript of his HBItalian9 from Saturday.

This is a great post to read, because it's straight to the point:
http://krauserpua.com/2012/05/02/my-sticking-point-is/