Post: #76

(10-21-2012 03:31 AM)XXL Wrote:  good thing is you found partner in crime. go out with him to game. 6 years of rsd stuff is potent. you will see some cool things. you will have competent wingman. and you will get OBJECTIVE feedback that guys rolling solo don't get (therefore you will develop faster than them). no matter your actual skills as long as you keep enthusiasm and eagerness to game game game he will be happy to game chicks with you.

Well he isn't willing to wing for free,otherwise he would have been a good one. I currently have a wingman with zero conversational skill, and is part of the reason why I am getting shitty daygame results. On retrospect, when I daygame solo I do better than when I daygame with the current wingman I have! My current wingman is cool and everything, but he is laconic, and doesn't have anything to say other than answering questions. So I have decided, from now on, I will tell him to wait 20 foot away, if it's a group of 2 or 3 he can show up after a couple of minutes otherwise he doesn't have to meet my target at all.

Post: #77

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:Yea doing daygame tomorrow! I am gonna be direct and will try to keep it short, and hug them goodbye instead of shaking hands.

This doesn't sound much different from what you did for the last 100 sets. A hug at the end doesn't mean shit if it's not after a phone/date/facebook close. I don't think now is the time for small tweaks in your game. Paint with broad stokes.

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:I got a military style haircut

Does this tie into your identity at all? Are you modeling yourself after a role model woman find sexy? Have you read Brad P's Fashion Bible?

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:"Hey how are ya?You look like you're having a lot of fun. Do you come here often?"

Whose technique are you modeling? If you're pulling openings like this out of thin air, I suggest you stop doing that for now.

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:He also told me that he used to go sarging with Sasha Daygame and some other popular London PUAs, but his ultimate guru is RSD Tyler!

It concerns me that you seem excited about someone's name-dropping. Being connected is great, getting numbers is great, but reserve your enthusiasm for the guy getting more than number closes. I hope this Turkish guy is there.

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:he went into a mixed set of 2 dudes and a chick, and number closed the chick without engaging the dudes at all!

Again, misplaced excitement, IMO. Guys can cock block you after the set as well as during it, and holding court with a mixed group is a major DHV by itself.

Post: #78

(10-21-2012 09:40 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  Well he isn't willing to wing for free,otherwise he would have been a good one.

he tried to charge you to game with him? that's hilarious hahaha.

on the other hand good way to get some easy cash, offer some dudes to get them some girls

Post: #79

(10-22-2012 08:02 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(10-21-2012 09:40 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  Well he isn't willing to wing for free,otherwise he would have been a good one.

he tried to charge you to game with him? that's hilarious hahaha.

on the other hand good way to get some easy cash, offer some dudes to get them some girls

Not exactly! He actually said he was doing a bootcamp soon, and it will cost 20-30 pounds. I told him I ain't paying shit!

Post: #80

(10-22-2012 03:32 AM)TXH Wrote:  

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:Yea doing daygame tomorrow! I am gonna be direct and will try to keep it short, and hug them goodbye instead of shaking hands.

This doesn't sound much different from what you did for the last 100 sets. A hug at the end doesn't mean shit if it's not after a phone/date/facebook close. I don't think now is the time for small tweaks in your game. Paint with broad stokes.

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:I got a military style haircut

Does this tie into your identity at all? Are you modeling yourself after a role model woman find sexy? Have you read Brad P's Fashion Bible?

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:"Hey how are ya?You look like you're having a lot of fun. Do you come here often?"

Whose technique are you modeling? If you're pulling openings like this out of thin air, I suggest you stop doing that for now.

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:He also told me that he used to go sarging with Sasha Daygame and some other popular London PUAs, but his ultimate guru is RSD Tyler!

It concerns me that you seem excited about someone's name-dropping. Being connected is great, getting numbers is great, but reserve your enthusiasm for the guy getting more than number closes. I hope this Turkish guy is there.

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:he went into a mixed set of 2 dudes and a chick, and number closed the chick without engaging the dudes at all!

Again, misplaced excitement, IMO. Guys can cock block you after the set as well as during it, and holding court with a mixed group is a major DHV by itself.

The new haircut is pretty good, much better than going bald and looking ugly. As for what techniques I am using, I am just trying to avoid routines, that's all.

Post: #81

(10-22-2012 12:35 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

(10-22-2012 08:02 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(10-21-2012 09:40 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  Well he isn't willing to wing for free,otherwise he would have been a good one.

he tried to charge you to game with him? that's hilarious hahaha.

on the other hand good way to get some easy cash, offer some dudes to get them some girls

Not exactly! He actually said he was doing a bootcamp soon, and it will cost 20-30 pounds. I told him I ain't paying shit!

£20 lol!

If he has 6 years of RSD knowledge and has winged legit PUA's and you've seen him in action and rate him then pay the £20 (?!) and go to his bootcamp. Hell,I'll come along myself for a giggle.

Post: #82

(10-22-2012 01:20 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(10-22-2012 12:35 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

(10-22-2012 08:02 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(10-21-2012 09:40 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  Well he isn't willing to wing for free,otherwise he would have been a good one.

he tried to charge you to game with him? that's hilarious hahaha.

on the other hand good way to get some easy cash, offer some dudes to get them some girls

Not exactly! He actually said he was doing a bootcamp soon, and it will cost 20-30 pounds. I told him I ain't paying shit!

£20 lol!

If he has 6 years of RSD knowledge and has winged legit PUA's and you've seen him in action and rate him then pay the £20 (?!) and go to his bootcamp. Hell,I'll come along myself for a giggle.

I will give him 15, but first he has to let me know his bootcamp plans, he hasn't yet accepted my facebook friend request.

Post: #83

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:Not exactly! He actually said he was doing a bootcamp soon, and it will cost 20-30 pounds. I told him I ain't paying shit!

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:I will give him 15, but first he has to let me know his bootcamp plans, he hasn't yet accepted my facebook friend request.

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:As for what techniques I am using, I am just trying to avoid routines, that's all.

You seem very unfocused. Why pay a guy to wing you, when you haven't even studied a good book?

Post: #84

Who says I haven't! I read Attraction Formula by Paul Janka. I'm currently reading Double Your Dating by David D & How To Make Girls Chase by Chase Amante. I also checked out Mystery's Venusian Arts handbook, but who the hell has to memorize routines and shit, it only makes it more difficult.

Post: #85

Just read Bang and Day Bang by Roosh.

Post: #86

(10-23-2012 03:25 AM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  I read Attraction Formula by Paul Janka.

No wonder you are going direct.

What did you learn from that book?

Post: #87

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:Who says I haven't! I read Attraction Formula by Paul Janka. I'm currently reading Double Your Dating by David D & How To Make Girls Chase by Chase Amante. I also checked out Mystery's Venusian Arts handbook

I think you're spreading yourself out way too thin. If you're gonna follow someone's model, follow it all the way. Mixing and matching sources, hopping from one system to another, will make everything take ten times longer.

Check out Janka's demos on youtube. He's much more situational, and less direct, than the examples you've given us. When I say you haven't "studied a good book," I mean you haven't been serious enough about a single system to practice it's openers along with its philosophy.

Post: #88

(10-23-2012 10:23 PM)TXH Wrote:  

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:Who says I haven't! I read Attraction Formula by Paul Janka. I'm currently reading Double Your Dating by David D & How To Make Girls Chase by Chase Amante. I also checked out Mystery's Venusian Arts handbook

I think you're spreading yourself out way too thin. If you're gonna follow someone's model, follow it all the way. Mixing and matching sources, hopping from one system to another, will make everything take ten times longer.

Check out Janka's demos on youtube. He's much more situational, and less direct, than the examples you've given us. When I say you haven't "studied a good book," I mean you haven't been serious enough about a single system to practice it's openers along with its philosophy.

What you say makes a lot of sense TXH! I am just trying to get some body language and banter tips from those two books, my method will be congruent.

I Know Janka usually opens asking for direction or opinion, I find transitioning from that to the number close is a great idea, because you don't telegraph any interest to begin with. However, often times when I do the directions opener, most chicks just say " Sorry, I don't know" and walks away.

Tomorrow I will do daygame again, and try some situational openers and direction openers as well,and let you all know how it goes. By the way, I've been listening to Janka's CD series, and it makes a lot of sense, so I will just ditch the other materials, and religiously practice what I learned from Janka's stuff.

Note to myself:
1. I will not ask for her name unless she asks for mine first
2. I might as well kiss her hand
3. No shaking hands
4.Try closing all chicks despite their level of interest (Apparently have I never tried closing low energy girls)
5. Will try to avoid group sets, and if I do engage them, I will have the wingman engage the other one. I will also avoid going direct with group sets, and just open them asking for Halloween party recommendations.

Post: #89

Wait no. 2 is sarcastic right? I hope so, definetly do not kiss a girls hand during daygame.

Post: #90

(10-23-2012 10:53 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  2. I might as well kiss her hand

Kiss their hand!!!

Who gave you that idea!

Don't do it!

Post: #91

(10-23-2012 10:53 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  2. I might as well kiss her hand

do it... seduction... be different...

Post: #92

Didn't do it, but might as well do it next time because the chick might think I am such a gentleman. So got 2 numbers today, approached 10+ (mostly solo chicks). Gonna do daygame on Saturday again, and hopefully I will be approaching 25+.

Post: #93

(10-24-2012 07:48 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  Didn't do it, but might as well do it next time because the chick might think I am such a gentleman.

Damn. Gentleman game.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #94

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:I am just trying to get some body language and banter tips from those two books, my method will be congruent.

Remember: one thing at a time. The two-minute close is deceptively packed with decisions and timing. You need a lot of time spent face-to-face with girls in order to program your subconscious with all the right moves. That's why practicing longer sets, until you're closing, makes a lot of sense.

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:often times when I do the directions opener, most chicks just say " Sorry, I don't know" and walks away.

This is one of the subtleties of the short set that you're missing: Janka rambles at the beginning, and throws out DHV bits (ex: on college campuses he often mentions the law school... not the sociology building). He stops and looks for an answer at just the right moment. This takes a lot of calibration (read: practice) which is another reason why you should practice holding sets for longer. If you're a slave to the "short sets" model, you'll miss out on precious minutes of practice, and delay your progress by months.

And you didn't answer my question about Brad P's Fashion Bible.

Post: #95

I did read The Fashion Bible briefly!

As for longer sets, I am doing those as well, just yesterday I approached a blonde at the subway station and talked for 7-8 minutes, but when I went for the close she came up with many excuses,she was kinda shy and nervous.

Post: #96

(10-24-2012 07:48 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  Gonna do daygame on Saturday again, and hopefully I will be approaching 25+.

Check out this event if your close.
http://saturdaysarge.urbanistgame.com/

Post: #97

(10-29-2012 04:36 AM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  I did read The Fashion Bible briefly!

As for longer sets, I am doing those as well, just yesterday I approached a blonde at the subway station and talked for 7-8 minutes, but when I went for the close she came up with many excuses,she was kinda shy and nervous.

Why did she have to come up with "many excuses?" Why didn't just one suffice? Did you try to talk her into it after the first excuse, and if so, is it possible that she was more nervous than shy because your 7-8 minutes of talking creeped her out?

A lot of guys coming into this thread have been very patient with you, and I'm going to be a little more blunt here. I don't want to discourage the honest effort you're putting out here or make you feel more socially awkward, but there seems to be a real disconnect between you and the reality around you, judging by how you describe your approaches and the way you're interacting on the feedback people are giving you.

Maybe it's just the way I'm reading your posts or your writing style...

If not, I really think you'd make a lot better progress if you slowed down on the approaches and focused more on your social skills. I know a lot of others here say just get those approaches out of the way, but with this particular case it seems there's a real strong possibility that a lack of social intelligence is making you come across as a bit of a creep to women, and that's hard to overcome without tackling the problem head on.

Maybe it's a cultural gap - didn't you say you were raised in Mexico? have you been speaking English your whole life?

If I were you, I'd seriously reconsider your aversion to social circles - that'd be a great place to start. You seem to have a real elitist mentality when it comes to other people; are you highly intelligent? Like it or not, women are people too, so you'll have to get past that if you want success with them.

Start just going out to make friends and spend some time at mixed-sex parties without the sole motivation being to bang the women there. If what I'm sensing here is right, you'll need to spend some real time developing that instinctual social intelligence.

Can you get laid without getting this issue out of the way? Probably, but it won't bring happiness. There's a lot more to getting laid than getting a number and getting her in bed - in the morning she'll still be there and so will you.

Sorry if what I'm saying offends - just calling it like I see it. I do admire your tenacity, so don't give up. I'm just suggesting you come at using game to improve your life from a different angle.

Edit: Read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #98

(10-24-2012 07:48 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  the chick might think I am a gentleman.

Albert,

I am surprised to hear you say this..

You say you have read alot of books on pickup.

Who suggested being a gentlemen? Who suggested kissing their hands?

Post: #99

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:I did read The Fashion Bible briefly!

Skimming through things is worse than doing nothing, because it gives you bits of ideas, without giving you context or motivation. If you were a serious student about the book, you would have had a plan before chopping your hair off. Brad P's Forbidden Truth outlines the trap of reading too much, too fast.

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:So got 2 numbers today, approached 10+ (mostly solo chicks). Gonna do daygame on Saturday again, and hopefully I will be approaching 25+.

These are decent numbers. 100 approaches per month is the rate I was at at the beginning. Just make sure you surround yourself with role models (guys who CLOSE, not just guys who TALK) and work on the deep parts of yourself, like "How to Win Friends and Influence People" as Beyond Borders suggested.

Also, a field report for Saturday would help. Our advice is general because your descriptions are general. Stop every 3-4 sets and make quick notes in your phone so you keep track.

Post: #100

AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:often times when I do the directions opener, most chicks just say " Sorry, I don't know" and walks away.

you cant expect girls that you ask for directions to stay with you talking and talking unless you make the convo somewhat personal.

if you want to stick to indirect style then try this. as you deliver your indirect insincere nonsense opener and she gives you her irrelevant answer then let her know that, as she was speaking, that you just noticed something about her that you like/dislike in a girl and express that making a comment or an observation exclusively about HER. make it look it's all spontaneous and surprising. like you listened to her telling you BS directions and something about HER got your attention so you're curious and carry on. if you're good actor then it's even better to interrupt her innitial response with your comment, it will make it even more authentic and spontaneous. and then she will respond with an answer that you can work with and lead it from there.

key: whatever you say, use open ended statements/questions. by saying "you're cute" you will get "thanks" and by asking "so are you busy right now?" you will get "yes". connection over. so none of that. open ended ramble does much better job. done well it will probably make her stay for few seconds longer with you as you communicate more honestly and personaly now. it's about her now, she is engaged in the conversation. i can't think of more natural shift from asking random stranger a random question (that you can ask anyone, so why her?) to expressing your interest in her.

example..
- you question/opener
- her short answer
- thanks, hey you know what?... you make funny face expressions when you smile could you do that once again? do it again, do it again, i'll buy you a cookie / you have cool voice i want to listen to you little more talk to me girl talk to me / i just noticed you look like the girl i had cruch on in HS, who are you? / this dress fits you perfectly your PR department is doing good job, give them a raise or something / whoa, are you [nationality]? you sound like [nationality] / hey uncross your arms, never been in an army? / etc
- she says something
- you use her response to carry on the convo