Post: #526

^^^ SF is a bad place to go if you're looking for attractive white girls. I'd only recommend that place if you target Asian women. There are a lot of Lindy West types in the Bay Area and it is extremely feminist and politically correct. If you are a red pill type you may find the hyper-sensitivity and political correctness to be unbearable. On the plus side, it's a beautiful city and there's nowhere else in the world like it. But It's definitely one of those "try before you buy" type of places where you should spend a bit of time there before deciding to make a move.

Post: #527

(12-26-2014 12:06 AM)Playboy_Extraordinare Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 10:50 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 09:49 PM)SuS Wrote:  I have been using OKCupid, POF, and Tinder (and Tinderly), have been using all my interesting pics, but damn near nothing but bots (especially on Tinder). And for the few legit females who I match with (90% of whom are the same race), most don't respond back to my messages anyway.

How has POF been for you? I've used Tinder in the past and I think it's garbage. I got annoyed with all of the bots and fake accounts.

POF IS THE WORST SITE ON THE INTERNET FOR BLACK MEN TRYING TO GAME PERIOD! The white girls will not write you back but you will get messages from fat and unattractive white girls. Black women on POF are not looking for black men. So forget about it!

Tinder for BLACK men unless you have model quality looks will only match you with black women, that is, if you swipe right on them. My experience is that the white or 'other' ethnicity women on automatically swipe LEFT on black men and that consensus has been quite dead on from other brother's I know who has tried it and still have it.

Oh and let me know forgot to say, that there is ALLOT of single women with kids looking for a daddy for their kids on Tinder! The typical disclaimer is, " Not looking for a hookup! Swipe left if you're looking for a hookup or One Night Stand!" LOL....

Damn this is so on point.
I live in Toronto and it is exactly the same.
I still have friends who go one POF and get frustrated at their results, I do hear e-harmony is not too bad.
I hate online gaming for the reason you stated.

Post: #528

(12-26-2014 12:06 AM)Playboy_Extraordinare Wrote:  POF IS THE WORST SITE ON THE INTERNET FOR BLACK MEN TRYING TO GAME PERIOD! The white girls will not write you back but you will get messages from fat and unattractive white girls.

Post: #529

(12-26-2014 11:47 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 12:06 AM)Playboy_Extraordinare Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 10:50 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 09:49 PM)SuS Wrote:  I have been using OKCupid, POF, and Tinder (and Tinderly), have been using all my interesting pics, but damn near nothing but bots (especially on Tinder). And for the few legit females who I match with (90% of whom are the same race), most don't respond back to my messages anyway.

How has POF been for you? I've used Tinder in the past and I think it's garbage. I got annoyed with all of the bots and fake accounts.

POF IS THE WORST SITE ON THE INTERNET FOR BLACK MEN TRYING TO GAME PERIOD! The white girls will not write you back but you will get messages from fat and unattractive white girls. Black women on POF are not looking for black men. So forget about it!

Tinder for BLACK men unless you have model quality looks will only match you with black women, that is, if you swipe right on them. My experience is that the white or 'other' ethnicity women on automatically swipe LEFT on black men and that consensus has been quite dead on from other brother's I know who has tried it and still have it.

Oh and let me know forgot to say, that there is ALLOT of single women with kids looking for a daddy for their kids on Tinder! The typical disclaimer is, " Not looking for a hookup! Swipe left if you're looking for a hookup or One Night Stand!" LOL....

Damn this is so on point.
I live in Toronto and it is exactly the same.
I still have friends who go one POF and get frustrated at their results, I do hear e-harmony is not too bad.
I hate online gaming for the reason you stated.

@Rudeboy Come on man EHarmony? LOL... You know those women on there are ONLY looking for a boyfriend and/or marriage! The only website that's worked for me to get guaranteed ass is http://www.blackpeoplemeet.com

http://www.blackplanet.com has fell off the meat-wagon years ago!

DAMMIT GINA... if I haven't done some work from there!

Post: #530

@Speakeasy

I warn people about the Bay if they want white girls. The white girls here are subpar and there isn't too many of them. Plus, as I mentioned, they are heavy on the SWPL/Granola side so that also is a big turnoff. If you have crazy yellow fever, then this is the place to be. For latin girls, I would also not recommend this place. The latin girls here tend to be on the lower class side, which means they ballon up quickly, of lower IQ, and have mannish attitudes to the way a lot of black women have. The good latin girls get picked up quickly by any smart SOB who knows half of anything.

On the plus side, I don't see black people here in the bay complain of racism like in the NE. In fact, I know black people from LA who moved up here because it was way more mellow for them.

Post: #531

(12-26-2014 03:38 PM)Bones707 Wrote:  On the plus side, I don't see black people here in the bay complain of racism like in the NE. In fact, I know black people from LA who moved up here because it was way more mellow for them.

It took me awhile to see it, but I can see how the Northeast is the worst part of the country for black guys. But wouldn't NYC be the exception? I have never lived there (visited there a thousand times though) but most of the girls I know from NYC tend to be very open minded, approachable, and classy. I have dated Asian, black, and Jewish girls from there. Although I do cosign with the rest of the NE being bad because the girls from everywhere else (Jersey, Philly, Boston, etc) are either ugly, racist, bitchy, or a combination of all three. Not to mention the big hood rat element there too. I have lived out West for two and a half years and I can tell you from personal experience that's where's it's at for black men.

Post: #532

(12-26-2014 02:19 PM)Playboy_Extraordinare Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 11:47 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 12:06 AM)Playboy_Extraordinare Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 10:50 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 09:49 PM)SuS Wrote:  I have been using OKCupid, POF, and Tinder (and Tinderly), have been using all my interesting pics, but damn near nothing but bots (especially on Tinder). And for the few legit females who I match with (90% of whom are the same race), most don't respond back to my messages anyway.

How has POF been for you? I've used Tinder in the past and I think it's garbage. I got annoyed with all of the bots and fake accounts.

POF IS THE WORST SITE ON THE INTERNET FOR BLACK MEN TRYING TO GAME PERIOD! The white girls will not write you back but you will get messages from fat and unattractive white girls. Black women on POF are not looking for black men. So forget about it!

Tinder for BLACK men unless you have model quality looks will only match you with black women, that is, if you swipe right on them. My experience is that the white or 'other' ethnicity women on automatically swipe LEFT on black men and that consensus has been quite dead on from other brother's I know who has tried it and still have it.

Oh and let me know forgot to say, that there is ALLOT of single women with kids looking for a daddy for their kids on Tinder! The typical disclaimer is, " Not looking for a hookup! Swipe left if you're looking for a hookup or One Night Stand!" LOL....

Damn this is so on point.
I live in Toronto and it is exactly the same.
I still have friends who go one POF and get frustrated at their results, I do hear e-harmony is not too bad.
I hate online gaming for the reason you stated.

@Rudeboy Come on man EHarmony? LOL... You know those women on there are ONLY looking for a boyfriend and/or marriage! The only website that's worked for me to get guaranteed ass is http://www.blackpeoplemeet.com

http://www.blackplanet.com has fell off the meat-wagon years ago!

DAMMIT GINA... if I haven't done some work from there!

Lol I didn't say I have tried e harmony, I know guys who tried it but yes they were looking for serious girlfriends.

Man Blackplanet use to be good a few years back. in my area there are more non blacks on it than black chicks. Nothing to get excited about the usual heavy or single mom stuff.

I have toyed with joining blackpeoplemeet, doesn't get me excited.

Post: #533

@MDWanderer

Becareful with saying the west coast as a whole. LA is a hellhole for dating and you can ask Speakeasy on that to give you proof. The rest of the large West Coast cities, SD is good, SF is good if you have crazy yellow fever (I don't which is why I'm trying to leave the Bay and due to the ridiculous COL), Portland is ok but too many weirdos there for my taste, and Seattle is an unknown for me as I haven't been there. Generally, in the large cities of the West Coast, I don't hear blacks complain of racism unless they are hoodlum assholes who ask for trouble. For professional blacks, I never hear anything bad and rather hear good things.

My friend who is a Brazilian mulatto from the Bronx liked the Bay Area greatly because employers to him were fair, the people didn't fuck with him like in NYC or in some parts of the South (exception was in Oakland but that's because he generally doesn't like being around a lot of black-Americans), and the girls liked him.

Either way, for most men of the U.S, it's better to go abroad to find good broads because the broads here are seriously lacking in the feminine, humility, and graciousness department.

Post: #534

So blackpeoplemeet is the best site out there right now? In terms of brothers looking for women who like us.

Post: #535

(12-26-2014 06:26 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  So blackpeoplemeet is the best site out there right now? In terms of brothers looking for women who like us.

blackpeoplemeet is specifically for women looking for black men so if you're decent looking with some good game! Get your groovy back on BABAY! LOL....

Post: #536

(12-23-2014 07:55 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 02:44 AM)TheGrandAdmiral Wrote:  This is reality, and it's on a global scale too. Being White is like +2-10 with non-White women, whereas being Black is -2-10 with non-Black women. Many Black men are just giving up these days, and given the choices of fatties, fuglies, and faggots, I cannot blame them. Unlike White men, we are not guaranteed a p00sey paradise once we fall off of a plane overseas, and in many cases statistics at least show that we have it worse. Get what you can, as long as it doesn't fall into the three F's, and enjoy it while it lasts because things are going to progressively get worse in terms of life for the Black man.

All the reason why black men need to be a cut above in order to get pussy. Average doesn't cut it when you're black. I knew an old friend of mine from college who slayed model-like pussy who was African American and probably no more than 5'9-5'10, but he is a bartender and a musician. I learned from him how to raise your SMV and now I'm trying to learn music and get a bartending gig.

As for things getting progressively worse for black men, it depends. Not trying to make this a political discussion, but I have noticed a jump in black men/non-black female relationships since Obama became President. Whether you like the man or not, he's given us status that wasn't there when GWB was running things. During my college days in the DMV during the 2000s, unless you were a basketball or a football player, black men were incel like priests and monks on my campus. Nowadays, even here in DC, I am seeing things slowly changing.

(12-23-2014 02:44 AM)TheGrandAdmiral Wrote:  Maybe things are good for you, but in my experience as a Black man from SoCal, I say otherwise, and most Brothers in my circle also say otherwise. Most women that hit on me are either foreign or from some other state. California girls just about never give me play.

Check out Seattle, that problem will be solved pretty quick. I pretty much dated whenever I wanted to when I lived there, and that was before my game was developed. With the large Mexican population its no surprise SoCal is bad for black guys. West Coast Latinas are like East Coast Asians, a bunch of white cock worshippers who would boil themselves in hot oil before touching a black man.

(12-26-2014 04:39 PM)Bones707 Wrote:  @MDWanderer

Becareful with saying the west coast as a whole. LA is a hellhole for dating and you can ask Speakeasy on that to give you proof. The rest of the large West Coast cities, SD is good, SF is good if you have crazy yellow fever (I don't which is why I'm trying to leave the Bay and due to the ridiculous COL), Portland is ok but too many weirdos there for my taste, and Seattle is an unknown for me as I haven't been there. Generally, in the large cities of the West Coast, I don't hear blacks complain of racism unless they are hoodlum assholes who ask for trouble. For professional blacks, I never hear anything bad and rather hear good things.

My friend who is a Brazilian mulatto from the Bronx liked the Bay Area greatly because employers to him were fair, the people didn't fuck with him like in NYC or in some parts of the South (exception was in Oakland but that's because he generally doesn't like being around a lot of black-Americans), and the girls liked him.

Either way, for most men of the U.S, it's better to go abroad to find good broads because the broads here are seriously lacking in the feminine, humility, and graciousness department.

LA is clearly not a pussy paradise for most average guys of any race. But to call it a hellhole is harsh, Philly or Camden is a hellhole, Oklahoma or Alabama is a hellhole.

LA is one of the better places to date interracially in the nation. I've smashed latinas from over 7 different countries in that city. White girls and middle easterns have all gotten the D. I"ve had decent pussy thrown at me on more than one occassion in LA.

Anyone that finds girls easier to game in SanDiego than LA hasnt spent much time in LA. Ratios are much worse in San Diego with the 5 or 6 military bases in the city. Loads of drunk 21yr old sailors and marines going out in packs. I've stumbled into clubs in San Diego(gaslamp and PB) where I couldnt tell if I was in a straight club or gay club because there were 4 guys to every girl. LA ratios are bad too........but not that bad. Cougars are a much bigger phenomenom in southern OC and San Diego, why? The surplus of dudes allows these worn 40yr old divorcees to pull guys in their early 20s with ease. Not trying to bash San Diego just give it straight. I like the city and the people are friendly, it would be one of the better US cities to raise a family in.

I hear way more complaints about police harrassment and brutality towards blacks in post 2010- NYC than I do in LA. Stop and frisk doesn't exist here like on the east coast. Not saying its perfect but its better than most of the nation.

Post: #537

(12-26-2014 04:39 PM)Bones707 Wrote:  @MDWanderer

Becareful with saying the west coast as a whole. LA is a hellhole for dating and you can ask Speakeasy on that to give you proof. The rest of the large West Coast cities, SD is good, SF is good if you have crazy yellow fever (I don't which is why I'm trying to leave the Bay and due to the ridiculous COL), Portland is ok but too many weirdos there for my taste, and Seattle is an unknown for me as I haven't been there. Generally, in the large cities of the West Coast, I don't hear blacks complain of racism unless they are hoodlum assholes who ask for trouble. For professional blacks, I never hear anything bad and rather hear good things.

My friend who is a Brazilian mulatto from the Bronx liked the Bay Area greatly because employers to him were fair, the people didn't fuck with him like in NYC or in some parts of the South (exception was in Oakland but that's because he generally doesn't like being around a lot of black-Americans), and the girls liked him.

Either way, for most men of the U.S, it's better to go abroad to find good broads because the broads here are seriously lacking in the feminine, humility, and graciousness department.

I agree that women in the U.S as a whole suck, arguing about which ones are better is like arguing about McDonald's and Burger King, one may taste better than the other but they are both unhealthy. But as for the U.S, yes L.A may suck, I never lived there so I don't know, but overall the West I'd say has much more open minded women and better overall for dating than back East. You'd still have Seattle, Portland, SF, and SD whereas the East Coast is basically NYC and that's it (and that's only if you can afford it). Philly, Baltimore, and NJ are all hellholes, and Boston is nothing but a more expensive Alabama with its racial hang ups and ugly girls. DC also has its own set of problems too.

Post: #538

^^^^^^^^^^
Whats up with Boston? is it really that bad

trying to actively game girls next, any knowledge would be appreciated

Post: #539

Hope someone can do a Portland datasheet soon - I was out there for 2/3 days in the summer to climb. Essentially the only lizards worth it would be those that work on the Nike campus in Beaverton and they would also be the ones most open minded towards minorities who have their fitness and shit together.

But that is a small sliver of portland - if guys on here are think the bay has terrible white girls, portland is worse. The weather combined with over-embrace of 'alternative lifestyles' and food/drink quality and abundance (it does have excellent food and drink) make most of the pool horrid and not rvf friendly.

Seattle has much better quality but honestly, I think DC girls are more attractive and in more abundance. Seattle lizards have a lot less attitudes, shit testing, and bitch shields but I believe most rvf'ers, if they lived in seattle, would spend their time swooping in Vancouver, BC as the talent far and above destroys anything in the US for the pacific northwest.

I didn't go out much in PB, but Gaslamp in SD (my first time in SD - was there for a week) had way more overweight lizards than I pictured it would be. I assumed it would be better than Vancouver, BC when it came to lithe and svelte poosy but that's not the case. Then again, since I wasn't at PB, that might be why since it seems the bulk of the under 25 set party up there.

Post: #540

Maybe I skipped it or not, have any if you though of going to the mother land (Africa) to find a woman? Their attitude would be totally different and I'm sure they round dig your western passport as an added bonus. I know Eddie Murphy RAW I believe he did a stand up bit on going to Africa to find a jungle bitch, funny....

Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Ghana to name a few. Then Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia, Kenya. Somalia a no go zone but many refugees you can find in Kenya etc. Beautiful women in Africa. Make sure to wrap your pecker when you use it and get her tested.

Post: #541

(12-27-2014 01:19 AM)floor7 Wrote:  Hope someone can do a Portland datasheet soon - I was out there for 2/3 days in the summer to climb. Essentially the only lizards worth it would be those that work on the Nike campus in Beaverton and they would also be the ones most open minded towards minorities who have their fitness and shit together.

But that is a small sliver of portland - if guys on here are think the bay has terrible white girls, portland is worse. The weather combined with over-embrace of 'alternative lifestyles' and food/drink quality and abundance (it does have excellent food and drink) make most of the pool horrid and not rvf friendly.

Seattle has much better quality but honestly, I think DC girls are more attractive and in more abundance. Seattle lizards have a lot less attitudes, shit testing, and bitch shields but I believe most rvf'ers, if they lived in seattle, would spend their time swooping in Vancouver, BC as the talent far and above destroys anything in the US for the pacific northwest.

I didn't go out much in PB, but Gaslamp in SD (my first time in SD - was there for a week) had way more overweight lizards than I pictured it would be. I assumed it would be better than Vancouver, BC when it came to lithe and svelte poosy but that's not the case. Then again, since I wasn't at PB, that might be why since it seems the bulk of the under 25 set party up there.

Id say for the West Coast. Portland has the worst looking women on average , and its not even close. A large number are heavily tatted up and don't give two craps about thier appearance. Like Speakeasy mentioned on SF women looking like Lindy West types. Portland Is full of those type of Women. With much less diversity. That's why there's bso many strip clubs in the city, lol.

Sacramento is a city that people's are sleeping on. Loads of quality females of different races who are open to date Black men. Its one of the most interracially accepting city Ive been to. Every one is just cool with each other in Sac.

Post: #542

(12-27-2014 05:09 AM)Clemmo Wrote:  

(12-27-2014 01:19 AM)floor7 Wrote:  Hope someone can do a Portland datasheet soon - I was out there for 2/3 days in the summer to climb. Essentially the only lizards worth it would be those that work on the Nike campus in Beaverton and they would also be the ones most open minded towards minorities who have their fitness and shit together.

But that is a small sliver of portland - if guys on here are think the bay has terrible white girls, portland is worse. The weather combined with over-embrace of 'alternative lifestyles' and food/drink quality and abundance (it does have excellent food and drink) make most of the pool horrid and not rvf friendly.

Seattle has much better quality but honestly, I think DC girls are more attractive and in more abundance. Seattle lizards have a lot less attitudes, shit testing, and bitch shields but I believe most rvf'ers, if they lived in seattle, would spend their time swooping in Vancouver, BC as the talent far and above destroys anything in the US for the pacific northwest.

I didn't go out much in PB, but Gaslamp in SD (my first time in SD - was there for a week) had way more overweight lizards than I pictured it would be. I assumed it would be better than Vancouver, BC when it came to lithe and svelte poosy but that's not the case. Then again, since I wasn't at PB, that might be why since it seems the bulk of the under 25 set party up there.

Id say for the West Coast. Portland has the worst looking women on average , and its not even close. A large number are heavily tatted up and don't give two craps about thier appearance. Like Speakeasy mentioned on SF women looking like Lindy West types. Portland Is full of those type of Women. With much less diversity. That's why there's bso many strip clubs in the city, lol.

Sacramento is a city that people's are sleeping on. Loads of quality females of different races who are open to date Black men. Its one of the most interracially accepting city Ive been to. Every one is just cool with each other in Sac.

There is a truckload of fit lizards at the Nike WHQ campus working and they all have to live somewhere though right?

Post: #543

(12-27-2014 01:45 AM)tomtud Wrote:  Maybe I skipped it or not, have any if you though of going to the mother land (Africa) to find a woman? Their attitude would be totally different and I'm sure they round dig your western passport as an added bonus. I know Eddie Murphy RAW I believe he did a stand up bit on going to Africa to find a jungle bitch, funny....

Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Ghana to name a few. Then Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia, Kenya. Somalia a no go zone but many refugees you can find in Kenya etc. Beautiful women in Africa. Make sure to wrap your pecker when you use it and get her tested.

Moma dropped an epic datasheet on Nigeria awhile back. I think it's definitely an option.

But my impression is most the black guys on RVF are not too into black women in general regardless of origin. I think that black women are ridiculously underrated though. And I'm talking the dark ones too, not just the ones with mixture.




That is some sweet dark chocolate I would definitely dip into. What fucks black women up is obesity and personality. I think they have a lot of potential as far as looks and should be able to compete with women from any other race.

Post: #544

@speakeasy, wow great find..... There are some hot black women in colombia too if I may add. Yeah momas sheet was epic.

Post: #545

(12-27-2014 05:09 AM)Clemmo Wrote:  

(12-27-2014 01:19 AM)floor7 Wrote:  Hope someone can do a Portland datasheet soon - I was out there for 2/3 days in the summer to climb. Essentially the only lizards worth it would be those that work on the Nike campus in Beaverton and they would also be the ones most open minded towards minorities who have their fitness and shit together.

But that is a small sliver of portland - if guys on here are think the bay has terrible white girls, portland is worse. The weather combined with over-embrace of 'alternative lifestyles' and food/drink quality and abundance (it does have excellent food and drink) make most of the pool horrid and not rvf friendly.

Seattle has much better quality but honestly, I think DC girls are more attractive and in more abundance. Seattle lizards have a lot less attitudes, shit testing, and bitch shields but I believe most rvf'ers, if they lived in seattle, would spend their time swooping in Vancouver, BC as the talent far and above destroys anything in the US for the pacific northwest.

I didn't go out much in PB, but Gaslamp in SD (my first time in SD - was there for a week) had way more overweight lizards than I pictured it would be. I assumed it would be better than Vancouver, BC when it came to lithe and svelte poosy but that's not the case. Then again, since I wasn't at PB, that might be why since it seems the bulk of the under 25 set party up there.

Sacramento is a city that people's are sleeping on. Loads of quality females of different races who are open to date Black men. Its one of the most interracially accepting city Ive been to. Every one is just cool with each other in Sac.

Ssssshhhh. I don't want people heading out to Sac as that's more sane than SF for me. But yes, you are right. More mellow people there. If the job economy were better there, I would have moved out to Roseville.

Post: #546

(12-27-2014 01:07 AM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  ^^^^^^^^^^
Whats up with Boston? is it really that bad

trying to actively game girls next, any knowledge would be appreciated

I've been to Boston before and know some black guys who have gamed there before, they said the city is kind of regressive racially. I always had a good time up there but a lot of people say it's pretty bad if you want to date interracially.

Post: #547

(12-27-2014 09:27 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(12-27-2014 01:45 AM)tomtud Wrote:  Maybe I skipped it or not, have any if you though of going to the mother land (Africa) to find a woman? Their attitude would be totally different and I'm sure they round dig your western passport as an added bonus. I know Eddie Murphy RAW I believe he did a stand up bit on going to Africa to find a jungle bitch, funny....

Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Ghana to name a few. Then Ethiopia, Eritrea and Somalia, Kenya. Somalia a no go zone but many refugees you can find in Kenya etc. Beautiful women in Africa. Make sure to wrap your pecker when you use it and get her tested.

Moma dropped an epic datasheet on Nigeria awhile back. I think it's definitely an option.

But my impression is most the black guys on RVF are not too into black women in general regardless of origin. I think that black women are ridiculously underrated though. And I'm talking the dark ones too, not just the ones with mixture.




That is some sweet dark chocolate I would definitely dip into. What fucks black women up is obesity and personality. I think they have a lot of potential as far as looks and should be able to compete with women from any other race.

I love dark skin women. Actually I have only met two members who are into dark skin black women and one of the members wasn't black. But yeah it's true, most of RVF black dudes are not into dark skin black women.

I met a chick from Ethiopia last night and she was baddddddd. I am looking to relocate there in the future, I just read that the population there is 91 million. I know many of them don't like dark skin black guys but for light skin black guys, that place is a gold mine.

Post: #548

^^^ Sweet. We need a Ethiopia/Eritrea data sheet. And whoever brings back the first datasheet from Somalia should get 100 rep points.

Check out this bad ass E. African girl below for some motivation to get over there quick.

Post: #549

I'm not black, but I won't lie a black 9/10 is on a different level to 9/10's of other races.

Post: #550

Pitt - add me to the list of guys that love dark skin sisters. The darker the berry the sweeter the juice, sorry couldn't resist.

I have never had much luck with them know, maybe you can direct me to a country that has loads of them?