Post: #1

I'm not perfect. I'm average height, and, if I hadn't invested years into fitness, I'd be slightly below average in terms of looks. I don't hesitate to say, however, that I'm above average in terms of intelligence based on the statistics (IQ test), and my general observations. That said, I realize that there are people out there who are far more intelligent than me, but they are a rare breed.

I've always found it hard to communicate with the less intelligent until fairly recently. I used to be on a totally different page and I could rarely connect with dumber people unless it was from a hierarchical position, i.e. alpha talking to beta or beta talking to alpha.

Some things I've noticed:

1. Less intelligent people have little curiosity about the outside world. This probably isn't too bad considering the sorry state of affairs of the world we live in, and that usually translates into high self-esteem and high confidence for the less intelligent since they rarely reflect on themselves.

I find that a lot of conversations tend to center around ego-stroking, whether it's two guys hyping one another up or one guy giving another some sort of pep talk. It's not a good idea to bring up critical insights, facts, or philosophical insight because they are unfamiliar with them. They perceive it as negativity.

2. A lot of things will fly over their heads. Their brains are slower at processing, so they cope by ignoring a lot of the information that comes their way. I used to think I was being ignored when talking to dumber people, but I realized that they simply did not understand what was being said. This was basically a death sentence when gaming dumb females because it would result in long silences that killed the pickup.

3. Know sports. Less intelligent men spend roughly 3 hours a day rewatching the same clips on ESPN. They obsess about athlete gossip in the same way women obsess over celebrity gossip. You can have fodder for an hour or two of conversation just by watching an episode of SportsCenter everyday. Also realize that a lot of men, quite literally, worship certain athletes. It's a kind of homoerotic affection that I have never understood.

4. You might spur insecurity in them. This is usually a problem for people who are of average intelligence. Dumber people probably never get the opportunity to be around extremely intelligent people so they don't understand intelligence gradation unless it's manifest in material possessions (i.e. an advanced university degree). People might see your intelligence as a threat, so it is a good idea to disarm their insecurities when you notice them sneering.

Please share your experiences and strategies. Let me put out a final disclaimer that not all less intelligent people manifest the points I've posted above. A lot of people (usually men), understand their strengths and weaknesses and play towards the former.

Post: #2

Although I may agree with a few of the observations that you make, I can`t help but imagine that in real life, you`re a lot like many of the pompous, conceited pricks that I often run into at work, you must be real fun to hang out with.


Live and let live man, stop being so judgemental and try getting on their level, although someone may appear to be less intelligent then yourself, you may learn something from them, almost everyone is smart at something.

Post: #3

Not cool. I put people who feel they're smarter than everyone in the same,group of conceited assholes who look down on someone for being different than they are. Get over yourself. I cant believe you made a thread like this on our forum to be honest.

Post: #4

I can relate to what you are saying OP, it's often difficult to connect with people who have a completely different subjective world view. But at the same time, I do beleive that intelligence is fluid and dynamic rather than static. Yes, there is the combination of genentic predisposition and environmental upbringing, but we are all also victims of circumstance. Our friends and surroundings influence our interests and behaviours. I know you already know this, you're a smart guy, you get it. I don't want this to come off as opprobrium or castigation, I totally agree with most of what you've said here. I guess what I'm saying is that you should remind yourself that even smart people sometimes need to develop their ability to connect with others. And when you encounter those small-minded views of the world, just remind yourself that some people haven't been exposed to the same situations.

And positivity bro. That takes care of all friction.

Post: #5

(09-15-2012 11:31 PM)houston Wrote:  Not cool. I put people who feel they're smarter than everyone in the same,group of conceited assholes who look down on someone for being different than they are. Get over yourself. I cant believe you made a thread like this on our forum to be honest.

Houston I disagree with you. I dont read conceit in what he is saying, but a genuine urge to share a theory he has. Just like Roosh talked about girls thinking that hooking up with a guy is magical or just happended....when they dont see the behing the scenes effort that goes on for a man to conquer her (a sign of most women´s lack of intellectual curiousity or honesty). The same can apply to other men.
Remember when you were a senior in high school and saw how idiotic the freshmen dudes could be. Or when you hear a beta or white night talk about women. Some men are more intelligent, have more experience, wisdom, game, etc and it can be annoying talking to men who havent reached or arent at the same level. Maybe he could use a bit more finesse with his words, but cmon give the man a break. Dont be too quick to pull the trigger until he explains himself more. This should not be a PC but a truth forum.

Post: #6

I can feel where you are coming from. Stop expecting to recieve something "intelligent" from other people, appreciate their company and what they can offer to you as well as what you can offer to them. You can always learn more from people even if they are ''inferior'' to you and even if that lesson does not increase your IQ by one bit.

I am a smart person, take my advice.

Post: #7

To many of us, in this forum, communicating with the less intelligent happens all the time when gaming women.

Post: #8

We are all normal except from geniuses. However normal people are divided into two groups. Those who are afraid of being "stupid" and separate themselves from the masses and are aware of a lot of things in life and the second group is the majority of people who have the curiosity of the land turtle.

If you think about it for a second, would you do those dumb things that most people do if you weren't aware of the things that geniuses say and think or what guys from the man-o-sphere read and write?

We are not so more advanced than the people we described because we learn new things very slowly. Geniuses learn new things extremely fast. e.g mysteries of the universe that took us many more years to understand after geniuses stated their theories.

Also intelligence is relative. There is no "intelligent" person alive because one smart guy can be outsmarted by the next smarter guy.
Conversely, there is no real dumbness if you compare people. Your friend who gets over excited by a cute girl with a mini skirt will seem dumb in your eyes but the guy who runs around naked and screaming "DA DA DAAA" in the public will also look dumb.

Us standing next to Nikola Tesla will look dumb.

Post: #9

(09-15-2012 09:28 PM)scotian Wrote:  Although I may agree with a few of the observations that you make, I can`t help but imagine that in real life, you`re a lot like many of the pompous, conceited pricks that I often run into at work, you must be real fun to hang out with.


Live and let live man, stop being so judgemental and try getting on their level, although someone may appear to be less intelligent then yourself, you may learn something from them, almost everyone is smart at something.

(09-15-2012 11:31 PM)houston Wrote:  Not cool. I put people who feel they're smarter than everyone in the same,group of conceited assholes who look down on someone for being different than they are. Get over yourself. I cant believe you made a thread like this on our forum to be honest.

Gotta agree, you sound like a giant cunt. That's a lot of generalisation you're doing there, a lot of which is not true in the slightest. Perhaps this could be hard for you to swallow, but having book smarts amounts to nothing if you're not socially savvy enough to present what you know in an interesting way. Perhaps the reason people seem uninterested/ignorant/uncomfortable when you're talking to them, is because you lack the capability to actually engage people in your conversations. I suspect you're the type of person who treats every social interaction like an interview, doesn't loosen up and act like a normal part of society until you've had 6 or 7 drinks, but soon after becomes an even more condescending prick.

If I could give you any piece of advice in regards to your actual question, it would be this:
These people are actually a lot smarter than you are. Respect them as such, and try learn what you can from them. If you can't understand this, you're probably going to have a very lonely existence.

Post: #10

I find there are so many types of intelligence that if a person has anything interesting at all going for them I can generally find SOME way to connect. I'll go toe to toe with the OP in terms of raw intellect (hey, the PhD in theoretical physics has to be good for something, right?) but what that means is that I'm wholly aware that there is so much crap I DON'T know about that I can usually learn something from most people. So I spend less time talking about high-end stuff (man, you tell people you do physics and the first thing you get is the "oh my god, I can't even understand basic math" reaction) and more time trying to find the interesting parts of people.

In a previous job I worked as a coordinator for scientific testing sites, which meant that the people I spent the most time with were construction workers. Man, they turned out to be awesome! One guy had bought his own really busted-up backhoe and was starting his own mineral mine; another guy who smelled like hell and you wanted to be upwind from turned out to be a multimillionaire. Just really neat people, even if not "intelligent".

On the other hand, I'm sympathetic to the OP's frustrations in a lot of ways, and it can be a problem. I take dance lessons, and a group of us went out a few times... and it was pretty hard to connect. Not because they weren't intelligent, but because they weren't *interesting* -- just very "average American bland"; wanted to eat at Applebees, talked about TV and sports, and, well--basically consumers, not interested enough in anything to produce anything, just basically content to suck from the teat of consumer media. If I find someone uninteresting, it's almost always a cultural/values difference rather than IQ-based.

Post: #11

Women = less intelligent

Post: #12

If you don't know what the OP is talking about, it means you're within 1-2 SD of the mean IQ. At gaps greater than 2 SD communication becomes difficult. Fact.

I've read similar things elsewhere but this is a useful and original take. Vox at alphagame.blogspot.com says the same thing.

This sort of post always gets shouted down by equalitarians and dummies - not identical groups.

Sometimes intelligence comes with social facility, other times it inhibits it. "I'm smart and I have no problem" is not a valid rebuttal.

Post: #13

Game is probably the most important intelligence.

Post: #14

"I'm too smart to relate to the common man" is the eternal equivocation of the socially inept.

Post: #15

(09-15-2012 07:27 PM)Deif Wrote:  That said, I realize that there are people out there who are far more intelligent than me, but they are a rare breed.

Post: #16

(09-15-2012 11:31 PM)houston Wrote:  Not cool. I put people who feel they're smarter than everyone in the same,group of conceited assholes who look down on someone for being different than they are. Get over yourself. I cant believe you made a thread like this on our forum to be honest.

This.

Just because someone is less intelligent to a certain degree doesn't mean they are less than you.As some one who is not highly educated I can't help feeling a bit offended by this post.

If it's makes you feel better, i can't stand talking to people who are a Know-it-all or think they have a higher intelligence and are morally superior to anyone who doesn't agree to their unrealistic political correct world view but actually are pretty naive and idealistic and know jack shit about the ways of the world.

Post: #17

What makes you intelligent Deif? Can you explain.

Post: #18

(09-16-2012 04:08 AM)Joseph_Dantes Wrote:  If you don't know what the OP is talking about, it means you're within 1-2 SD of the mean IQ. At gaps greater than 2 SD communication becomes difficult. Fact.

I'll try this again.

Social intelligence and logical intelligence are entirely different things. Those who are far and away "brighter" people usually haven't spent much/any time socialising with average people, so they haven't had a chance to learn many of the techniques associated with successful communication - just the same as your average people haven't spent 1000s of hours poring over the sorts of problems that are generally considered in an IQ test. While there are people who are naturally worse with a particular subject, communication in this instance, the difference usually comes down to practice, but in this particular situation it's the OP's superiority complex and ignorance of other people.

To give you an example of both of these scenarios, lets take Sheldon and Leonard, from TBBT.

Sheldon has an incredible amount of knowledge when it comes to his particular fields of study. Due to his feelings of superiority, based upon his knowledge of his intelligence, he can't, nor does he try to, empathize with those around him. Sure, he can converse about subjects that interest him, but usually only to prove that he's right and is more knowledgeable in the field. This is the type of persona that the OP appears to put out, though I doubt he's anywhere near as smart as Sheldon.

The next character, Leonard, is also very smart. The difference being that he doesn't necessarily judge people based on their intelligence, leaving him able to empathize with normal people. You can see in his basic interactions with other characters within the show that he's often awkward, and does not know how to handle a lot of social situations. You can also see him constantly trying to please other people - probably because he doesn't know any other way to get people to like him. This is because of his lack of practice in social situations, having a childhood spent watching Star Trek and performing science experiments, instead of making friends. This is your other type of "super smart guy with communication issues."

Both of these characters are very smart, when considering their fields of study. When it comes to communication with other people, however, I work with autistic guys that handle social situations better than those 2 do. How could these guys possibly be better? Chances are they're probably outside 1-2 SD's from the average IQ as well, and, to make things even worse, they're at the other end of the spectrum. Simple - they just spend a lot more time talking to people, rather than tucked away inside studying and researching. They don't necessarily understand a lot of the reasons behind a lot of the communicative techniques, but they've had enough experience doing so that they can still pick these techniques up and use them like regular people - which is beneficial to them, as they usually just want to fit in with normal people.

For most people, lacking social skill is the result of insufficient experience in human interaction. For people like the OP, it's more of a superiority issue, and, by the looks of it, the fact that he's probably just a giant prick. If you think that being smarter than other people makes it difficult to communicate, you either need to visit a psyche and get your issues sorted out, or start actually talking to people. Intelligence is a useful thing, not a burden. Use it wisely and properly.

Post: #19

(09-16-2012 04:08 AM)Joseph_Dantes Wrote:  If you don't know what the OP is talking about, it means you're within 1-2 SD of the mean IQ. At gaps greater than 2 SD communication becomes difficult. Fact.

I've read similar things elsewhere but this is a useful and original take. Vox at alphagame.blogspot.com says the same thing.

This sort of post always gets shouted down by equalitarians and dummies - not identical groups.

Sometimes intelligence comes with social facility, other times it inhibits it. "I'm smart and I have no problem" is not a valid rebuttal.

I've heard similar ideas before, and it fits my experience.
Think of these IQs: 75, 100, 125, 150. A person with an IQ around each level will find it difficult to relate to someone a level up or a level down.

The 75 IQ person is the typical Youtube commenter or George W. Bush-supporting "nuke them Ay-Rabs" type, the 100 is the average wage-slave who doesn't question the basic conventions of society, the 125 has a lively, curious mind, and the 150 is a genius.

The genius has a hard time connecting with the average person, but the merely bright person could go either way in developing social skills.

Post: #20

(09-16-2012 04:08 AM)Joseph_Dantes Wrote:  If you don't know what the OP is talking about, it means you're within 1-2 SD of the mean IQ. At gaps greater than 2 SD communication becomes difficult. Fact.

I've read similar things elsewhere but this is a useful and original take. Vox at alphagame.blogspot.com says the same thing.

This sort of post always gets shouted down by equalitarians and dummies - not identical groups.

Sometimes intelligence comes with social facility, other times it inhibits it. "I'm smart and I have no problem" is not a valid rebuttal.

Trying to indirectly brag to us about how smart you are (by inferring you have a 130+ IQ since the standard deviation for IQ is 15 points) just makes you come off just a pompous jack ass, unlike the many contributors to this forum with some serious intellectual muscle (Athlone anyone?) who don't feel the need to show off to random's on the internet how good they are at a mere test.

@OP, your 4 points you raised had merit to them and almost every human live will have at some point experienced the same thing with someone who was slow, the problem is the way and the tone you went about discussing it which you almost certainly knew would cause this kind of backlash.

Last point, with the exception of Ashkenazi Jews the evolution of the human race has not selected for human intelligence. Joseph_Dantes and Deif; you should sit down and ponder exactly why this is so before you assume your mantle of superiority.

Post: #21

*cough* rednecks *cough*

*cough* bogans *cough*

Post: #22

I think people who find displays of intelligence threatening are intellectually and morally defective.

I believe that social facility, like high intelligence, has a genetic component. Sheldon is smart not because he's studied IQ tests, but because he's smart. Sheldon sucks at socializing not because he spends all his time on intellectual pursuits, but because he sucks at socializing.

Generally, the greater the attention span, the worse the innate social talent.

Post: #23

(09-16-2012 04:08 AM)Joseph_Dantes Wrote:  If you don't know what the OP is talking about, it means you're within 1-2 SD of the mean IQ. At gaps greater than 2 SD communication becomes difficult. Fact.

I've read similar things elsewhere but this is a useful and original take. Vox at alphagame.blogspot.com says the same thing.

This sort of post always gets shouted down by equalitarians and dummies - not identical groups.

Sometimes intelligence comes with social facility, other times it inhibits it. "I'm smart and I have no problem" is not a valid rebuttal.

Ya, I'm not getting all the negativity being thrown at the guy. He wrote a thoughtful post, and I can see that he was trying to help other men who may be in a similar situation. You can even see that he is trying hard to stretch himself to connect with guys for whom he doesn't share their interests. Personally I'm not capable of being interested in sports, and I think it is very big of someone to try to be knowledgable about sports for the sole intention of connecting with other guys.

Not all men are going to feel so disconnected and cut off from people of lower intelligence. That's great for you guys, and I envy you; socializing will come SO much easier for you! But MUST you give hate towards guys who just can't find in us any inspiration to connect with uninspiring men?

At least for stupid women, we can appreciate their tits. But what is the inspiration for guys that we can't connect with intellectually?

I met a guy in Thailand once and as we shared an interest in women, we exchanged yahoo messenger IDs. Sometimes we'd be chatting with the girls, and say hi to each other. Naturally I'd swing the conversation in the directions that I thought were interesting and provocative. He could not or would not follow me there. I later heard that he told some girls on chat that he thought I was "too serious". The guy was VAPID. I only deal with vapid with women. What's the point of a vapid guy? Useless to me.

Have you ever been at a party sober while everyone else is hysterically sloppy drunk? Being at the same mental level is a social lubricant.

I'm quoting this in the (probably false) hope that it might raise a little empathy for the OP. "If you don't know what the OP is talking about, it means you're within 1-2 SD of the mean IQ. At gaps greater than 2 SD communication becomes difficult. Fact."

It's very true. The gap can be quite isolating, and the OP is doing an admirable job working with that situation.

Post: #24

(09-16-2012 05:12 AM)RawGod Wrote:  I've heard similar ideas before, and it fits my experience.
Think of these IQs: 75, 100, 125, 150. A person with an IQ around each level will find it difficult to relate to someone a level up or a level down.

BS.

There are people on this forum with high scores and low scores but we all communicate with one another. I might not be able to talk about particle dynamics with Stephen Hawkings but if he is into premier league football we can share a beer and get along fine. I can relate to people far more intelligent then me ( whatever that means ) because we've experienced much the same highs and lows of life. We all can.

Too much faith put into the iq test which was never meant to be a way of defining intelligence but rather as a way of distinguishing who was mentally ill.

Post: #25

Average intelligent people think they are superior to highly intelligent because they are average and most people are average so their audience is bigger.Meaning even if they are wrong since the public opinion supports them they are above all.Less intelligent find a way not related to intelligence to climb the ladder.
Women generally balance around more or less the same average intelligence with few deviations.Among the men there are more extremely smart and extremely stupid.What this means for the game?That most women eat the same game while between men there are vast differences in the ways they approach.The women thinking of men as women balancing around average preassume that most men must be the same so if a man exhibits dumb behavior this is lethal for the image of the rest of men.
Never underestimate the power of average.Less intelligent can become presidents,proffessors everything they want.Less intelligent people create the same kind of networks to promote their own kind like more intelligent do and since they prevail in mass they are more likely to achieve their purposes.