Post: #51

(09-12-2012 10:55 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  Pro US demonstration in Benghazi, apologizing for the death of the US Ambassador.

But how many of those will respect our right to criticize Mohammed? How many agree with separation of church and state? How many respect the right of Muslims to leave their religion? For their daughters to sleep around if she chooses?

Forsaking terrorism is great, but if the core backwards beliefs remain, then the disagreement with the West doesn't go away.

Post: #52

(09-12-2012 11:17 PM)ao85 Wrote:  But how many of those will respect our right to criticize Jesus Christ? How many agree with separation of church and state?

Lots of right wing nut jobs in the Republican party who go apocalyptic when someone says anything against their God and don't believe in the separation of church and state. They think that the US is and should remain a Christian nation. Not much difference between them and fundamentalist Muslims.

ALL religious freaks SUCK. The more religious they claim to be, the bigger assholes they are.

Post: #53

The death of a diplomat is a big issue, the entire foundation of international diplomacy depends upon the fact that diplomats and embassies are sacrosanct. With that being said, I think it's important to draw some contrasts with the way Libya is handling this opposed to Egypt. The Libyan government was quick to condemn this attack, and promised to find the people responsible. A lot of the Libyan public is outraged that this happened, and ashamed. Libya even elected a secular government when it had a chance to elect an Islamist one in this years elections.

Contrast this with Egypt whose President has refused to condemn the riots against the US embassy, and whose public is generally anti-American. The Arab spring wasn't something that could've been stopped, and the only thing the US could do was to ensure it was on good terms with the eventual victors when they toppled their dictators.

It's tragic this man, and other people had to die but there are already some suggestions this attack might have been organized by a terrorist group. This is why jumping to conclusions, or allowing emotions to dictate your response is the wrong move. Obama has done a good job on that front, and that's something Romney completely messed up.

Post: #54

What would these people do if a bunch of Americans decided to raid their embassies in the US and kill some of their diplomats? Wait a minute. Never mind. Our own cops would put a stop to that shit regardless of whether or not they believed in the cause.

Post: #55

(09-12-2012 11:26 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  Lots of right wing nut jobs in the Republican party who go apocalyptic when someone says anything against their God and don't believe in the separation of church and state. They think that the US is and should remain a Christian nation. Not much difference between them and fundamentalist Muslims.

ALL religious freaks SUCK. The more religious they claim to be, the bigger assholes they are.

And there are no religious zealots on the Left. And the Left didn't succumb to religious pressure during their convention and add God back into the platform.

Post: #56

The American embassy in Yemen has also been attacked now, according to Google's newspage. And the American government is sending warships to Libya...

Post: #57

(09-12-2012 07:16 PM)LoveBug Wrote:  

(09-12-2012 10:14 AM)rationalize_this Wrote:  AND Obama wants to decrease our weapons/missiles to number below Russia, China, France, Germany, UK? Great idea, the Middle East is fine.

and you got this where? Just because he's more concerned about the welfare of the everyday citizen, and would rather spend money for health care and social programs than trillions more on the military like Romney?

The US spends more on welfare and social programs than the military. We've spent trillions since LBJ's Great Society and the poverty rate hasn't changed since 1969. Instead of reforming these programs to achieve their goals our leaders borrow more money to pay for them. When our credit rating gets downgraded again the interest rates will force the country into bankruptcy. The US has run up the biggest bill ever in the history of the world, there is nobody who can bail us out and our leaders just keep kicking the can down the road.

Post: #58

(09-12-2012 09:09 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  Fuck it! We're too far in this shit now so I would blow up both their capital cities to teach them a lesson. If I were president I would drop leaflets on all those countries telling them if they fuck with us or our shit where just going to blow you up so stop fucking around. As far as Iraq goes they needed a dude like Saddam to keep those people in line. He said the same shit..Fuck with me you die. That's the only way in those countries

Most Americans simply do not or cannot understand the nature of their country. America does not have a real functional economy. Yes, tech, medical, and farming - all great. But very small in comparison with the basic necessities of life.

America is an Empire. Presently, 75% all foreign exchange reserves are in USD. This means 75% of global trade must eventually work its way through US banks. How do we maintain such a high percentage? An aggressive foreign policy of war and foreign aid. Demand for dollars is instigated by either giving countries money, or using war. The entire country is basically a trickle down machine where the so-called 1% take a cut of the vast majority of global trade, which is in turn distributed to the masses via government spending and luxury purchases.

Who are the countries you hear about the most these days? Libya, Syria, Iran, and Russia. The first three explicitly refused to use USD. Russia is actively seeking to undermine the USD regime.

At the moment, it will take at least a decade to rebuild the American economy. This is a major reason Obama is a terrible president. He gets the system, which is why he reneged on his anti-war stance. But he doesn't have the balls to keep the empire going long enough for us to figure out a long term solution.

Post: #59

(09-13-2012 06:45 AM)Smitty Wrote:  

(09-12-2012 11:26 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  Lots of right wing nut jobs in the Republican party who go apocalyptic when someone says anything against their God and don't believe in the separation of church and state. They think that the US is and should remain a Christian nation. Not much difference between them and fundamentalist Muslims.

ALL religious freaks SUCK. The more religious they claim to be, the bigger assholes they are.

And there are no religious zealots on the Left. And the Left didn't succumb to religious pressure during their convention and add God back into the platform.

The left is far more religious than the right. So they have replaced faith in god with faith in human equality, but that makes them even more fanatical. Nearly everything the left does is an attempt to maintain this fiction that human beings are equal. As this fantasy becomes increasingly untenable, they become more fanatical.

Modern leftism in America is basically a modern variant of Puritanism. On a purely ethical level, there is very little difference. This is why the most ardent leftists tend to come from former Puritan strongholds, especially in the northeast.

When it comes to non-whites, they typically aren't particularly leftist (eg blacks with their hatred of gays), they just want a piece of the pie.

Post: #60

(09-13-2012 07:32 AM)painter Wrote:  

(09-12-2012 07:16 PM)LoveBug Wrote:  

(09-12-2012 10:14 AM)rationalize_this Wrote:  AND Obama wants to decrease our weapons/missiles to number below Russia, China, France, Germany, UK? Great idea, the Middle East is fine.

and you got this where? Just because he's more concerned about the welfare of the everyday citizen, and would rather spend money for health care and social programs than trillions more on the military like Romney?

The US spends more on welfare and social programs than the military. We've spent trillions since LBJ's Great Society and the poverty rate hasn't changed since 1969. Instead of reforming these programs to achieve their goals our leaders borrow more money to pay for them.

Not really. The federal government spends about $20 billion a year on TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families or welfare) and about $80 billiion on food stamps. You can throw in another $30 billion or so in housing assistance. All that still doesn't get you anywhere near the $700 billion a year of defense spending.

Social Security and Medicare eat up twice as much as defense spending, but they're not poverty programs; they're middle class transfer programs. Also, when you think about it, defense spending is largely a middle class transfer program as well. Defense contractors are really smart about locating their facilities all over the country. So anytime someone tries to eliminate a program, a bunch of congressman are going to oppose it because they want to lose jobs in their districts.

Bottom line is: yes, we're going broke, but it's not because of poor people.

Post: #61

Defense, Social Security and Medicare -- the big three. We do have a big problem with other entitlement programs as well (food stamps, welfare, etc) but the big three I just mentioned are the three that will bankrupt the U.S.

Post: #62

(09-13-2012 09:21 AM)Smitty Wrote:  Defense, Social Security and Medicare -- the big three. We do have a big problem with other entitlement programs as well (food stamps, welfare, etc) but the big three I just mentioned are the three that will bankrupt the U.S.

Video of Obama in 2008 using the deaths of troops for his political message. He's no better than Romney. Now that he's President he can talk about "rising above the fray" but when he was "Candidate Obama" it was a different story.

Obama and Romney -- two peas in a pod.

Post: #63

Officials are now talking about how this might be a planned attack. As I suspected.

Post: #64

Drones are being deployed. Shit just got real.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/13/world/...?hpt=hp_t2

Post: #65

(09-12-2012 11:26 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  Lots of right wing nut jobs in the Republican party who go apocalyptic when someone says anything against their God and don't believe in the separation of church and state. They think that the US is and should remain a Christian nation. Not much difference between them and fundamentalist Muslims.

ALL religious freaks SUCK. The more religious they claim to be, the bigger assholes they are.

Yeah, we have radical religious freaks in the US. They are called the Amish.

Post: #66

(09-12-2012 11:26 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(09-12-2012 11:17 PM)ao85 Wrote:  But how many of those will respect our right to criticize Jesus Christ? How many agree with separation of church and state?

Lots of right wing nut jobs in the Republican party who go apocalyptic when someone says anything against their God and don't believe in the separation of church and state. They think that the US is and should remain a Christian nation. Not much difference between them and fundamentalist Muslims.

ALL religious freaks SUCK. The more religious they claim to be, the bigger assholes they are.

This is again the ridiculous equivalencies between the Christian right and Islamists. Look, as an agnostic I'm no fan of the Christian right. But in terms of women's rights, gay rights, the right to convert, the right to criticize a religion...the average Muslim is far off the chart far more likely to favor extremely severe punishment rather than Christians.

According to a recent poll, the vast majority of Egyptian Muslims favor the death penalty for someone leaving Islam. DO you really think that's what your Christian right thinks should happen to someone who forsakes Christianity? Come on. Don't be brainwashed by the leftist media. All cultures are not equal.

Post: #67

(09-12-2012 10:17 PM)LoveBug Wrote:  kdolo is just a pesky and annoying racist anti-white race troll, it is constant from him the same tone

Why deal with reason and facts when you can hurl ad hominem attacks ????

Post: #68

(09-13-2012 09:40 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Officials are now talking about how this might be a planned attack. As I suspected.

Of Course it was planned. In the same way, the invasion and murder of Quadaffi was planned. - The date 9-11, and even the way the dead body of the ambassador is exposed - its all done to make a clear statement to Obama and Hilary.

".....You fuck with ours and we'll do the same to yours......"

This was pulled off by most likely Quadaffi loyalists as an act of revenge ...........

but TPTB and media will definitely not mention that...

Post: #69

(09-14-2012 04:20 AM)kdolo Wrote:  

(09-13-2012 09:40 AM)Vicious Wrote:  Officials are now talking about how this might be a planned attack. As I suspected.

Of Course it was planned. In the same way, the invasion and murder of Quadaffi was planned. - The date 9-11, and even the way the dead body of the ambassador is exposed - its all done to make a clear statement to Obama and Hilary.

".....You fuck with ours and we'll do the same to yours......"

This was pulled off by most likely Quadaffi loyalists as an act of revenge ...........

but TPTB and media will definitely not mention that...

It was done by a Yemeni group whom helped the Bengazi front fight against Gadaffi. Essentially by USA/NATO allies. Bengazi today is ran by Al-queda after the USA supported then then handed then the keys to Bengazi when they left.

Your right the attack was pre planned because everybody knew blowback would happen. This is what happens when you deal with Mercs and thugs, they have no loyalty other than too gold, whores, and thier God.

Post: #70

(09-12-2012 03:34 PM)Deif Wrote:  I want to put this out here so that people can get a perspective of why the insanity over a video:

The US is perceived in the region as a murderous invader. You know the hatred with which Nazi Germany is treated in the West? Well, multiply that by two and you have the perception of the United States amongst people in the Mideast. It is viewed as the type of reaver of souls that is merciless and haphazard with the way it slaughters hundreds of thousands and destroys nations. It's a hated entity, and I feel like the average US citizen possesses a tragically wide gulf of disconnect between how they view their own country and how it's viewed abroad. People don't forget about what the US has done in its war on Iraq and its support of the oppressive regimes in the region.

The dogmatic enemies of US policy are hyper-sensitive towards the attacks leveled against them, both physically and in the media. Religious people, in general, are insecure in the face of criticism because their ideologies are bullshit across the board. Propaganda like the video that set the violence off is perceived as ideological cover for the US to wage even more wars and pursue its imperialist policies further.

Also, the attack on the US consulate was a calculated political maneuver on the part of Islamists in Libya. Given the void of power left by Gaddafi, this attack on a common enemy to virtually all Libyans, regardless of ideology, allows the Islamists to assume the role as vanguard of a struggle against the United States and all the negative imagery that tags along with America. This will help them establish the military cover needed to create the Islamic emirate of Libya, or whatever they choose to call the entity they forge with the barrels of their weapons.

Americans shouldn't be encouraging an attack on Libya. You, the average citizen, has nothing to gain from siphoning billions of taxpayer dollars to the government (most of which will be used for corrupt purposes), just so that you can sate your petty nationalistic fervor that creates nothing but a thinner wallet. Don't add fuel to the fire in a war between Western Imperialists and Arab Islamists. You don't benefit from it in any way, and all it does is hurt you and other people around the world.

I am sorry, the people who planned and carried out these attacks are THUGGISH EVIL MOTHERFUCKERS.

But in one sense, you are right. It is hopeless to convince them, as the idiot Barack Obama tried to do, that the USA is NOT some sort of evil empire. They believe in their souls. Of course, they also believe in their souls that everyone should be like them, think like them, and act like them.

We are at war with these people, and we should take every opportunity to assasinate them, interrogate them, and/or take high powered precision weapons and splatter them all over the desert like road kill and leave everyone else alone. Find out who these leaders are and give them acute lead poisoning.

We can do this quite quietly and quite effectively.

Post: #71

(09-14-2012 12:10 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  I am sorry, the people who planned and carried out these attacks are THUGGISH EVIL MOTHERFUCKERS.

But in one sense, you are right. It is hopeless to convince them, as the idiot Barack Obama tried to do, that the USA is NOT some sort of evil empire. They believe in their souls. Of course, they also believe in their souls that everyone should be like them, think like them, and act like them.

We are at war with these people, and we should take every opportunity to assasinate them, interrogate them, and/or take high powered precision weapons and splatter them all over the desert like road kill and leave everyone else alone. Find out who these leaders are and give them acute lead poisoning.

We can do this quite quietly and quite effectively.

Does that make us "thuggish evil motherfuckers" when we kill civilians? Or is that OK since we're the good guys?

Post: #72

   

The black Al Queda flag flies high above the Bengahzi courthouse. These are the thugs America is supporting. Yet on one hand is supposedly fighting a Trillion dollar + war against in Iraq and Afghanistan. You always fund both sides in battles but the duplicity and ignorance of USA Policy is a joke.

As I said these people killed 3000 Americans on 9/11 and your Government is actively in bed with them by giving then money and arms.

Zero talk about the Al Queda elements in east Libya. Why? Because they only they are there is via USA support.

Ignorance is bliss.

Post: #73

(09-14-2012 12:10 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(09-12-2012 03:34 PM)Deif Wrote:  I want to put this out here so that people can get a perspective of why the insanity over a video:

The US is perceived in the region as a murderous invader. You know the hatred with which Nazi Germany is treated in the West? Well, multiply that by two and you have the perception of the United States amongst people in the Mideast. It is viewed as the type of reaver of souls that is merciless and haphazard with the way it slaughters hundreds of thousands and destroys nations. It's a hated entity, and I feel like the average US citizen possesses a tragically wide gulf of disconnect between how they view their own country and how it's viewed abroad. People don't forget about what the US has done in its war on Iraq and its support of the oppressive regimes in the region.

The dogmatic enemies of US policy are hyper-sensitive towards the attacks leveled against them, both physically and in the media. Religious people, in general, are insecure in the face of criticism because their ideologies are bullshit across the board. Propaganda like the video that set the violence off is perceived as ideological cover for the US to wage even more wars and pursue its imperialist policies further.

Also, the attack on the US consulate was a calculated political maneuver on the part of Islamists in Libya. Given the void of power left by Gaddafi, this attack on a common enemy to virtually all Libyans, regardless of ideology, allows the Islamists to assume the role as vanguard of a struggle against the United States and all the negative imagery that tags along with America. This will help them establish the military cover needed to create the Islamic emirate of Libya, or whatever they choose to call the entity they forge with the barrels of their weapons.

Americans shouldn't be encouraging an attack on Libya. You, the average citizen, has nothing to gain from siphoning billions of taxpayer dollars to the government (most of which will be used for corrupt purposes), just so that you can sate your petty nationalistic fervor that creates nothing but a thinner wallet. Don't add fuel to the fire in a war between Western Imperialists and Arab Islamists. You don't benefit from it in any way, and all it does is hurt you and other people around the world.

I am sorry, the people who planned and carried out these attacks are THUGGISH EVIL MOTHERFUCKERS.

But in one sense, you are right. It is hopeless to convince them, as the idiot Barack Obama tried to do, that the USA is NOT some sort of evil empire. They believe in their souls. Of course, they also believe in their souls that everyone should be like them, think like them, and act like them.

We are at war with these people, and we should take every opportunity to assasinate them, interrogate them, and/or take high powered precision weapons and splatter them all over the desert like road kill and leave everyone else alone. Find out who these leaders are and give them acute lead poisoning.

We can do this quite quietly and quite effectively.

The United States is an "evil empire" on any moral metric. The reason why it's so easy to incite violence against America in the region is because, whether you want to admit it or not, the people doing so have justice on their side.

You would have thought Americans would realize it by now: dudes in Iraq were throwing themselves by the thousand into the maw of the American war machine to put an end to the occupation there. If men believe they are fighting for a just and moral cause, they will be far more willing to sacrifice life and limb. This is the principle reason why occupying and colonial powers never win in the end. The willpower of the occupied eventually overcomes the technological advantages of the imperial power.

In the case of Libya, you have the Islamists who attacked the consulate there because they were convinced that a show of force against the nation's most hated adversary would bolster the legitimacy of their arms and allow them to extend guardianship over the populace. That guardianship will be the premise for the establishment of an Islamic state there, and the men with the guns will reap all the benefits of control of that state.

Post: #74

More riots breaking out all around the Muslim world. Setting aside all the politics and policies for a moment, I really am getting sick of the intolerance of the Islamic world. These dumb fucks have no understanding of the notion of free expression, or that the opinion of private individuals don't represent official policies of the nation they reside in. Egyptians are demanding an official apology from our government for a fucking youtube video posted by some idiot nobody has ever heard of. And for this they are going to storm our embassy and threaten violence?? And the Egyptian government refuses to condemn this??? Fuck them. Seriously. We should pull all foreign aid to Egypt starting today. Let them steep in their own cesspool of backwardness.

Nobody can say anything critical of Islam without fear of death from these nutjobs. For some reason you can say anything critical of Judaism or Catholicism with no fear of retribution. But say something about Islam or Mohammed and you have a target on your back.

Western countries need to think hard about immigration from Islamic countries. Look at this photo:



Talking about death and beheading. This isn't Fallujah, Gaza City or Tahrir Square, this is fucking London! And it's a damn shame.

Post: #75

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