Post: #176

I've seen marriage from ALL angles and honestly I think a man would have to be CRAZY to willingly get married if he'd seen what I have.

Post: #177

(11-20-2012 10:58 PM)TheMachinist Wrote:  I've seen marriage from ALL angles and honestly I think a man would have to be CRAZY to willingly get married if he'd seen what I have.

By all angles, what do you mean? All cultures? All types of men? Please elaborate. Include examples, thanks.

Post: #178

From the angle of WATCHING both my parents re-marry and divorce.From the angle of never being able to identify ANYBODY in my immediate family thats happily married.From the angle of having been married myself.From the angle of watching close friends get taking to the cleaners both financially and emontionally after divorce.From the angle of WATCHING women close to me treat sex with their husbands as a bargaining chip.From the angle of being involved with MARRIED women that GOT CAUGHT COMMITING ADULTERY AND STILL WALKED AWAY WITH HALF.From the angle of living in a non allimony state but the courts still make the husbands pay thru the nose via outrageously high child support payments.From the angle of having female friends that hold the threat of financial ruin thru divorce over their husbands head.The list goes on and on.Having said that I have seen a few happy marriages but I've come to realize that happy marriages are the exception not the rule.Current American culture does not lend itself to the traditional ideal of marriage.Matter of fact the happy marriages that I do know of are what would be considered non traditional.

Post: #179

its really hard to take this seriously when it uses this statement so early in the article

"You have a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of dying when you leave the house. You have 1 in 2 chance of divorce"

Post: #180

Marriage in a nutshell is ok, the BIG problem today is the feminist bitche element who wants it all....and then even MORE

Need to go back to basics, *her* job is in the kitchen and looking after and obey her man and dont interfere with him.

As far as i am concerned they have done it all to themselves, that why there is record divorce

FUTURE
A woman worries about the future until she gets a husband.
A man never worries about the future until he gets a wife

This explains it perfectly clear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

"Lifes about, shooting your load"

Post: #181

I am a big fan of Mark Minter's comments (mentioned earlier in this thread).

Anyway - if you want to see more of his writings. Check out http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/ - he regularly leaves brilliant and indepth comments there.

Easiest thing to do is click on the COMMENTS section and then run a FIND seach (click on the EDIT button in your browser) for the name 'Minter'. Much quicker than scanning through hundreds of comments.

Cardguy

Post: #182

(12-04-2012 09:14 PM)cardguy Wrote:  I am a big fan of Mark Minter's comments (mentioned earlier in this thread).

Anyway - if you want to see more of his writings. Check out http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/ - he regularly leaves brilliant and indepth comments there.

Easiest thing to do is click on the COMMENTS section and then run a FIND seach (click on the EDIT button in your browser) for the name 'Minter'. Much quicker than scanning through hundreds of comments.

Cardguy

Thanks for the recommendation on this Mark Minter guy, I'm definitely gonna seek out more of his comments and educate myself!

Post: #183

Hey Guys! Interesting topic, I have a question for you: What do you think about traditional marriages?

I know a couple who are married the old way. The wife doesn't work, stays at home and do everything house-related (and even more) and the father brings the monies. Now the wife doesn't like her husband. These husbands are really assholes (not quite alpha, just assholes). But they are staying to the end since they have no other choice, and they really don't complain to their husbands.

So I have been thinking about making a marriage of this sort with the difference of being a bit nicer to my wife. She has to take care of her duties but I won't be aggressive (no beating, firing her out of house...)

So the pre-requisites

1. The wife doesn't work and has little chances of landing a job that can make her survive. Most of the jobs in the third-world I'm living in can't make you live. Think rent goes for around $500 and a starting salary for an engineer is $400.
2. The wife doesn't have a family that she can rely on. So she needs to be attached to someone.
3. The wife does have a family that see divorce as a sin. So they'll teach her to be obedient.
4. The wife is not spoiled probably due to the fact that she is raised in a lower-middle class family.

What does a wife get for a divorce if she has 1 or 2 kids? $100/month or $200/month (and that's not even enough for food).

So AM I AN ASSHOLE for doing this? Because for the love of god, I can't figure out a better way to make a family work in the long term.

Post: #184

I understand that a significant percentage of manospherists are tribalists. For them, marriage is almost a requirement, because you have to procreate to populate and reinforce your tribe. If you want your tribe to survive, you have to make strong babies.

If you fall into that camp, then you need to get married, have babies, and be a man about it. Use dread game to keep your wife in line. Maybe you have some affairs on the side, but that's up to you to keep it from interfering with your children's emotional development.

Post: #185

(09-06-2012 09:27 PM)bacon Wrote:  But on the financial side of things even prenups are not safe anymore and that was the last stand keeping marriage from your financial ruin.

Whenever prenup is brought into the question it always gets shot down easily for not being 100% foolproof. But if you have a good lawyer draw up the contract what are the odds that it would be overruled in court? From what i've read it seems very low. I've seen a few cases that got media attention where the prenup was essentially thrown out but it made media attention because it's such a rare ruling.

I'd like to see some statistics on prenups. If they have a 99% or 98% chance of saving your assets, isn't that good enough?

Post: #186

Let me drop my own angle.

Before I get called beta or blue pill, let's explore the 3 aspects of "marriage" from most relevant to least (in my view):

1. Being a good PROVIDER - nothing makes my day more than knowing the home is good and there is food on the table for my family. This is not difficult to master but gives me the most SATISFACTION as a man.
2. Being a good FATHER - having kids come to the door when I come home screaming "daddy" is probably just as fulfilling as #1 but as a man I consider #1 more relevant.
3. Being a good HUSBAND - This can be somewhat fulfilling once you master it. HOWEVER, it is the single most difficult thing to master in a marriage. Why, because we men can't help but think about random pussy and it's tough for one woman to keep the BONER going. That being said, FRAME control and standing up for your principles (e.g. having a BACKBONE) helps. I can attest.

I think we in the manosphere tend to focus in on the aspects of marriage that directly relate to #3 because GAME brings us all together and it's such a common theme. However, for me, the fact that I have been able to do #1 and #2 makes me just as fulfilled as going to the gym or macking some random cutie at the mall or bar.

Hopefully no one considers this ban hammer material.

Post: #187

(04-06-2014 08:22 AM)conservative Wrote:  Hey Guys! Interesting topic, I have a question for you: What do you think about traditional marriages?

I know a couple who are married the old way. The wife doesn't work, stays at home and do everything house-related (and even more) and the father brings the monies. Now the wife doesn't like her husband. These husbands are really assholes (not quite alpha, just assholes). But they are staying to the end since they have no other choice, and they really don't complain to their husbands.

So I have been thinking about making a marriage of this sort with the difference of being a bit nicer to my wife. She has to take care of her duties but I won't be aggressive (no beating, firing her out of house...)

So the pre-requisites

1. The wife doesn't work and has little chances of landing a job that can make her survive. Most of the jobs in the third-world I'm living in can't make you live. Think rent goes for around $500 and a starting salary for an engineer is $400.
2. The wife doesn't have a family that she can rely on. So she needs to be attached to someone.
3. The wife does have a family that see divorce as a sin. So they'll teach her to be obedient.
4. The wife is not spoiled probably due to the fact that she is raised in a lower-middle class family.

What does a wife get for a divorce if she has 1 or 2 kids? $100/month or $200/month (and that's not even enough for food).

So AM I AN ASSHOLE for doing this? Because for the love of god, I can't figure out a better way to make a family work in the long term.

You are looking for a gold digger not a wife.

My advice is that get those pre-requisites out of your head. When you meet someone that you like, spend few years dating her and then move in with her if you like her enough and you know she will make a decent wife.

Actually I like the idea of traditional marriage. Specially if your wife is very sexual. I work from home so if I ever get married, I am not expecting my wife to have a 9 to 5 job.

Post: #188

(04-06-2014 12:41 PM)Collide Wrote:  

(09-06-2012 09:27 PM)bacon Wrote:  But on the financial side of things even prenups are not safe anymore and that was the last stand keeping marriage from your financial ruin.

Whenever prenup is brought into the question it always gets shot down easily for not being 100% foolproof. But if you have a good lawyer draw up the contract what are the odds that it would be overruled in court? From what i've read it seems very low. I've seen a few cases that got media attention where the prenup was essentially thrown out but it made media attention because it's such a rare ruling.

I'd like to see some statistics on prenups. If they have a 99% or 98% chance of saving your assets, isn't that good enough?

I have a very rich friend who has looked into this extensively, and according to him prenups work for protecting your earlier assets, but the wife is still entitled to half of your earnings that you made while married to her. So basically, if you marry a poor girl at 35 and get divorced by 48 while making 500k a year, honey buns is gonna get half that shit you bought with your salary while she was sitting around doing laundry.

This is why I would 1) only get married after I have money of my own and 2) only marry a girl who has her own money, hopefully more money than me. The incentive for divorce is all but gone when she has her own money. And since neither of us would need the other, no one has the upper hand in the relationship.

You might love a girl and she might love you, but it doesn't matter. It will end badly unless the logistics are in place.

Post: #189

(04-06-2014 08:22 AM)conservative Wrote:  Hey Guys! Interesting topic, I have a question for you: What do you think about traditional marriages?

I know a couple who are married the old way. The wife doesn't work, stays at home and do everything house-related (and even more) and the father brings the monies. Now the wife doesn't like her husband. These husbands are really assholes (not quite alpha, just assholes). But they are staying to the end since they have no other choice, and they really don't complain to their husbands.

So I have been thinking about making a marriage of this sort with the difference of being a bit nicer to my wife. She has to take care of her duties but I won't be aggressive (no beating, firing her out of house...)

So the pre-requisites

1. The wife doesn't work and has little chances of landing a job that can make her survive. Most of the jobs in the third-world I'm living in can't make you live. Think rent goes for around $500 and a starting salary for an engineer is $400.
2. The wife doesn't have a family that she can rely on. So she needs to be attached to someone.
3. The wife does have a family that see divorce as a sin. So they'll teach her to be obedient.
4. The wife is not spoiled probably due to the fact that she is raised in a lower-middle class family.

What does a wife get for a divorce if she has 1 or 2 kids? $100/month or $200/month (and that's not even enough for food).

So AM I AN ASSHOLE for doing this? Because for the love of god, I can't figure out a better way to make a family work in the long term.

You just described my parents and my siblings. Dad worked, mom stayed home. My dad is an asshole ("n̶o̶t̶ ̶q̶u̶i̶t̶e̶ not at all alpha, just asshole"), my mom has *incredibly* low self-esteem. They had six kids, my oldest sister then 5 boys, of which I am the middle.

All of us kids married young, I got divorced after 5 years (I'm 30, no kids), sister just got a divorce (her husband was cheating...she would have tolerated except he was also treating her like total shit). Two older brothers are still married, younger brother is married, youngest brother is getting married this summer. Between my mom and sister-in-laws, all are good Christian conservative women (for instance, my wife was a virgin, brothers' wives maybe 1-2 partners before them).

Dad has no friends and no life, mom is social and can't stand him because he has no life...but he did provide for six kids, so I'll give him credit there. So to answer your question...ha, yeah I guess you need to be an asshole.

Post: #190

At the old marriage thread pops up again!! Hey I'd like to find a solution to get married safely, there just isn't none. The only way I'm able to salvage the idea of me getting married one day is to do it after I retire from this dating game (45-50 depending). After that, marriage is like death to me, it could be coming at any moment, no matter how efficient my game is, and I'm ok with that.

A lot of men seems to think that having a women that makes more than you is a solution. This in my view is an even more dangerous game. Like my mentor Patrice O'neal taught me, a woman cannot handle having more status (money) than a man for a very long time( a very long time could vary greatly depending on the woman) Eventually, she will wake up and try to grab the power that she thinks her money entitles her aka your balls!!

If your an Alpha you'll tell her to get lost of course, but she won't be able to be with you full time! Her mind and her circle of friends will tell her that she deserves better, so she'll get a richer than her guy most of the time that will make her feel taken care of. Most of the time, this richer guy will probably a Beta so she might keep banging you on the side for what she will consider her right for excitement. For her to keep you as a husband, especially after hanging on the forum, the chances are really slim

Post: #191

(08-13-2013 12:54 AM)Dagonet Wrote:  Thanks for the recommendation on this Mark Minter guy, I'm definitely gonna seek out more of his comments and educate myself!

Now let's let this thread die. It exists for entertainment purposes only now.

Post: #192

The increase in divorce rate might not just be due to "feminism".. there's a chance that it also comes from increased pressure for people to be monogamous. More and more, cheating is considered grounds for divorce. Since nearly everybody is going to cheat, then it makes sense that the divorce rate is so high.

Say what you want about him being a homo, but Dan Savage breaks this down pretty well:





More of a reason to embrace the player lifestyle and not expect people to act against their nature.

Post: #193

(04-07-2014 11:52 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  At the old marriage thread pops up again!! Hey I'd like to find a solution to get married safely, there just isn't none. The only way I'm able to salvage the idea of me getting married one day is to do it after I retire from this dating game (45-50 depending). After that, marriage is like death to me, it could be coming at any moment, no matter how efficient my game is, and I'm ok with that.

A lot of men seems to think that having a women that makes more than you is a solution. This in my view is an even more dangerous game. Like my mentor Patrice O'neal taught me, a woman cannot handle having more status (money) than a man for a very long time( a very long time could vary greatly depending on the woman) Eventually, she will wake up and try to grab the power that she thinks her money entitles her aka your balls!!

If your an Alpha you'll tell her to get lost of course, but she won't be able to be with you full time! Her mind and her circle of friends will tell her that she deserves better, so she'll get a richer than her guy most of the time that will make her feel taken care of. Most of the time, this richer guy will probably a Beta so she might keep banging you on the side for what she will consider her right for excitement. For her to keep you as a husband, especially after hanging on the forum, the chances are really slim

Money isn't the only type of status in the world. Tons of alphas are broke as fuck and have rich girls tripping over each other to be with them. You can be high value in her eyes with less money than her as long as she didn't do anything to get that money. If you're earning less... that could be a different story, but I still think it could work out in the right situation (i.e.: biological clock is ticking, etc).

Here's an example: my parents have been married almost 25 years. They met in high school, and went to different colleges. My mom went to a big school paid for by her parents with money. My dad was broke at the time and his parents moved out of the country, so he went to a lower-tier school and had no where to stay. He lived with my mom's mom (a lawyer) while he went to school.

What was his status? Obviously I wasn't around to witness, but from what they told me, my interpretation is that my mom's mom loved him, and that made my mom want him and kept her loyal through those college years. Red pill taught me that daughters are sexually competitive with their moms, so that makes sense to me. My dad did have to sacrifice his freedom to party in college with this arrangement, and a lot of you guys would say he gave up his balls -- but it worked out for him. Fuck partying when you have a free place to stay and a girl who will do anything for you.

Post: #194

Outfuckingstanding Post! These are words of wisdom indeed.

-SeaWolf

Post: #195

Marriage to women is the holy grail and they'll listen and actively pursue any man who is lord of his wife.
A healthy traditional marriage to a foreign woman is the best defense against home grown feminism. If you guys want to wipe out feminism you have to get married otherwise you'll never have any credibility in society. It's a HUGE sacrifice but one that connects you back into the matrix and if you want to take the matrix down you need to be online to do it. When women want to impress me, they try and show me how much MORE feminine and docile they are compared to my wife... when we go over to my older female friends houses, they always have stuff cooked and cookies and candies prepared on the table. When other men address the same wom3n, they are bitchy and insulting. Shaming of any kind doesn't work unless you respect and care about the opinions of people you are with.

Them:Oh you'll never get any?
Me: I'm married.

Them: You couldn't handle a strong woman!
Me: I'm married.

Them: You'll live in your parents basement forever!
Me: I hope so, I'm married and I like my parents.

Them: You are like a Peter Pan, won't you ever grow up!?
Me: I'm married.
Them: Your wife must really love you then!
Me: She does.
Them: Why?

Them: Your wife must be a XYZ to want you!?
Me: Here you should meet her
Them: Oh... your wife is so nice, why would she want to be with a guy like you?
Her: I love my husband, maybe you should stop being so angry and start acting this way, men like it better.
Them: Oh, erm, well I've just had a bad run...umm..you're so sweet... eh...[starts into sob story] (Convert)
Her: You are a nice person, you just aren't showing it.
(This really happened)


Women will listen to other women who have been converted back to normal, I believe it has to do with why so many women are turning into muslims. They WANT to be docile and feminine, they just need an excuse. Next I want to get my wife into religion, she'll be a massive converting machine. Everyone loves her cause she's quiet, nice, demur and she wears her heart on her sleeve, I was also her first boyfriend, maybe that helps. All of my friends want girlfriends like her but they can't figure out how to get them. She dresses in traditional Chinese outfits and has A LOT of class but was raised in abject poverty, nobody can tear her down for anything. My mother, a real career minded ball buster, is 'in-love' with my wife. She brings her candy, gifts, clothing... its as if she reverts back into a teenage girl when she is around my wife. When my mother first met her, she had no idea how to treat her and was a bit condescending but after a little time together, she gets very excited for 'shopping trips' she takes my wife on. My mother even made a special trip out to China when we got married to take us out to dinner THAT night and paid for us to stay at the Sheraton.

You want to end feminism you've got to re-enter the matrix, fully loaded.

Post: #196

(09-05-2012 02:57 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

(09-05-2012 02:46 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  What I appreciate is that the posters to Donlak's piece challenged him also. He took a specific topic, marriage, and gave a generic "something bad can happen to you any day you leave the house" answer as to why men should marry. You have to do better than that - you have to lay out what you think the benefits are. Saying "real alphas don't fear marriage" doesn't really provide a solid argument for his position.

The problem isn't risk. It's risk without any payoff. There's a huge cost to never getting in cars, or to never leaving your house.

The question is - what is the cost to not getting married? If you don't want kids, I see none at all.

Personally, I'd like to raise children at some point, and I don't see any good alternative to marriage for that. That aside, I see no reason to get married.

I see no reason why you can't have kids without being married.

Post: #197

(06-29-2014 02:52 AM)Borealis Wrote:  

(09-05-2012 02:57 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

(09-05-2012 02:46 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  What I appreciate is that the posters to Donlak's piece challenged him also. He took a specific topic, marriage, and gave a generic "something bad can happen to you any day you leave the house" answer as to why men should marry. You have to do better than that - you have to lay out what you think the benefits are. Saying "real alphas don't fear marriage" doesn't really provide a solid argument for his position.

The problem isn't risk. It's risk without any payoff. There's a huge cost to never getting in cars, or to never leaving your house.

The question is - what is the cost to not getting married? If you don't want kids, I see none at all.

Personally, I'd like to raise children at some point, and I don't see any good alternative to marriage for that. That aside, I see no reason to get married.

I see no reason why you can't have kids without being married.

Because, formal title for kids starts with being listed as the father. If you want to continue your tribe, in most societies you have to be recorded in the Man's books as the father of the child AND the husband of the mother. That's how it works. Otherwise, you get the short end from society. I know that feminized society shafts the husbands, but just use marriage game and win with your tribe if that's what you want. It's what I want. It's not a bad goal.

Post: #198

http://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014...t-married/

Come across this every day. Certainly written by a blue pill guy. In short these guys have no clue why their wives are banging them only 1 per year, 6 years in a row.

Its too bad, he could have become a red piller, but like he said if he gets divorce he would lose his kids and a big chunks of his money.

Questions for those who have been there: say you are married then realize the truth, would you take the plunge, get divorced and lose tons of $ in exchange for having your freedom back? Or would u slog it out like a loyal and stupid buffalo?

I dont think its easy for most guys, especially if they have been married and blue pill for most of their life, then suddenly become redpill but not having the tool to live in it.

Post: #199

(07-07-2014 02:45 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  http://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014...t-married/

Come across this every day. Certainly written by a blue pill guy. In short these guys have no clue why their wives are banging them only 1 per year, 6 years in a row.

Its too bad, he could have become a red piller, but like he said if he gets divorce he would lose his kids and a big chunks of his money.

Questions for those who have been there: say you are married then realize the truth, would you take the plunge, get divorced and lose tons of $ in exchange for having your freedom back? Or would u slog it out like a loyal and stupid buffalo?

I dont think its easy for most guys, especially if they have been married and blue pill for most of their life, then suddenly become redpill but not having the tool to live in it.

I think sexless marriages are the elephant in the room in US society. Women have too much control in marriage scenarios and if they realize it they can run roughshod over their man and emotionally abuse the sh*t out of them. Sex once a year isn't a relationship...it's like raising kids with an ex-girlfriend or babysitter or something.

I agree it's tough for these guys, especially with the whole "Divorce Corp" thing going on in the Anglosphere. Men are really trapped to a certain extent if it doesn't work out. That said, they should read up and do something about it to the extent they can i.e. lay out to their wife why they are unhappy, what the new rules are, etc. But I fear that since the damage has already been done and they've been seen as betas for so long it might be too late for many of them.

Post: #200

So IF you get into a marriage and theres a high chance it doesnt work out, you are fucked for life? Stay and get enslaved and abused. Leave and get half of your income taken away from you. Unless your wife is richer than you.

Hell, I guess the only acceptable marriage is to marry a rich girl then. Its actually not a terrible idea. With good game theres a chance you can charm a rich girl into marrying you; then you cheat and do exactly the same thing women have been doing to us.

I doubt its easy as that though, else we would have a lot more male gold diggers