Post: #126

(09-05-2012 05:31 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Honestly, what woman would want to have children with a man unwilling to marry them? She is going to carry a baby to term, potentially risk her life during delivery, need your financial support and protection while she raises the child - and you aren't even willing to marry her because someday she might divorce you and you lose some possessions? She is all in when she gets pregnant. It is only reasonable that she wants the same commitment in return.

Getting married lets her know you are in it together and that you mean it. It is the same statement to society as well (not that I care too much what others think, but she will). Now don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of no fault divorce necessarily, or indefinite alimony, so I can understand certain objections. Our laws need reform. If you really want protection, put your assets into a trust before you get married.

I wonder about this place sometimes. This argument is the same thing as wanting a feminine, demure, attractive girl and bitching about assuming the masculine role and buying her a drink or dinner. This forum loves to bitch about how feminists have changed women, yet balks at assuming traditional males roles like husband or father. In the long run, raising successful children in a loving family will be 100 times more satisfying than just banging sluts in one night stands and ending up old and alone.

If you don't want children then by all means don't get married. I understand that argument.

The stability and tradition of a loving two parent household, however, is important to raise well adjusted children - and that means living together for the long term, and that doesn't mean her divorcing you and taking the children out of your life either. You need to find the right girl.

I think I'd rather die "old and alone" then end up batshit insane like my father.

As far what woman would want to have children with a man who won't marry them? I suppose that would be an alpha male. I'm pretty sure the status quo of the hamster brain is to fuck the alpha male and get a beta male to support her through the child's youth.

Haven't you ever heard of any girl getting knocked up by a lover and then jumping on the most convenient beta male to marry them? Or examples of cuckoldry? It happens.

And why are you writing about how we're "balking traditional male roles"? That's social programming at it's finest. Traditional male roles are to murder the competition and smash poontang. The whole "husband" thing in a nuclear family unit is not particularly natural, but it is the winning recipe for civilization. Give a beta male a girl to take care of and he will work himself to death to keep her.

In all seriousness, it's the women who have "balked" traditional female roles by making the men invest fully half of their resources at no extra benefit to the man whatsoever.

Are you familiar with the concept of a dowry? A wife's family used to give the husband a plot of land or some money for him to take the wife. If I'm not mistaken, the bride's family used to pay for the wedding, too. The cultures who treat women like property, they know that women lose much of their allure after 10 years.

So you ask us, what would motivate us to knock up a chick without ensuring her power over us? Why do you want the woman to have the power? That's asinine. Sure, I would like to be a father, but the time to be a father in a culture where men are universally respected is long since gone. If I have kids, I sure as hell don't want the woman to have the power to end it all whenever she feels like it. I've seen that shit happen too many times, I don't think there's more than a handful of guys over 40 that I know who haven't been divorced at least once.

So yes, we "bitch" about traditional male roles. It's because there is no reciprocity between the genders in America. Your good intentions don't matter to these women. The women expect us to pony up when it's convenient for them, and then when it's their turn, they drop all their shit and tell you to go to hell.

Post: #127

It's never a bait and switch. No one ever stays the same. If you go into any relationship thinking that it'll be like this forever, you're the stupid one. The training (henceforth known as pimpin') never stops in a LTR. She becomes more comfortable with you, and you need to continually assert your leadership role of the relationship, because a woman will periodically test that assertion.

Think of relationships like a karate dojo where you are the master. You got a bunch of bitches at a white belt you can run all types of game on. As they progress through the belts, some drop out, others pop in, and as you reach higher and higher belts you have to pimp harder and harder because they are getting more comfortable with your game style. At the highest levels you're still fighting the girl who ended up being the longest lasting well into the black belt dan levels. It never ends. (paraphrased from Black Philllip, R.I.P. pimp)

Worth it? Hell yes if you got a soldier. Is it hard? Some days.

Post: #128

Who says you can't have children without marriage?



I expect this trend to increase with time. Single-motherhood will be the future, and any alpha male here today can get in on this action if he so chooses. At least in America, anyways.

Quote:About 80% of first children born to black women were outside of marriage; 18% of these women were cohabiting. Among Hispanics, 53% of first children were born outside of marriage, and 30% of the women were cohabiting. Among white women, 34% of first children were born outside of marriage, 20% to cohabiters. Among Asians, 13% of first children were born outside of marriage; 7% of women were cohabiting.

Obviously there are cultural differences between races in America that contribute to different wedlock practices, but as I said earlier in this thread - I had two opportunities to knock up white chicks earlier this year. That alone blew my mind, I thought for sure women wanted to wait for marriage or whatever.

Shit is changing fast. Maybe in ten years from now marriage will be considered a luxury and unnecessary for childbearing?

Post: #129

(09-10-2012 12:13 PM)phoenixhr Wrote:  It's never a bait and switch. No one ever stays the same. If you go into any relationship thinking that it'll be like this forever, you're the stupid one. The training (henceforth known as pimpin') never stops in a LTR. She becomes more comfortable with you, and you need to continually assert your leadership role of the relationship, because a woman will periodically test that assertion.

Think of relationships like a karate dojo where you are the master. You got a bunch of bitches at a white belt you can run all types of game on. As they progress through the belts, some drop out, others pop in, and as you reach higher and higher belts you have to pimp harder and harder because they are getting more comfortable with your game style. At the highest levels you're still fighting the girl who ended up being the longest lasting well into the black belt dan levels. It never ends. (paraphrased from Black Philllip, R.I.P. pimp)

Worth it? Hell yes if you got a soldier. Is it hard? Some days.

Honestly these arguments are weak. I don't want a job, I want a loving relationship.

Post: #130

Yeah, the two chicks I almost knocked up earlier this year said that they wouldn't mind my kids. Not sure what they think now, but I don't feel like asking.

Post: #131

Life is work. Game is work. How is the argument weak? Because you personally don't want to work at the topic of discussion? Do you then, but don't dismiss the truth because it isn't your truth. Saying you just want a loving relationship is like asking for free money. Neither come for free, and both you pay for with your time.

Post: #132

(09-10-2012 12:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Who says you can't have children without marriage?



I expect this trend to increase with time. Single-motherhood will be the future, and any alpha male here today can get in on this action if he so chooses. At least in America, anyways.

Quote:About 80% of first children born to black women were outside of marriage; 18% of these women were cohabiting. Among Hispanics, 53% of first children were born outside of marriage, and 30% of the women were cohabiting. Among white women, 34% of first children were born outside of marriage, 20% to cohabiters. Among Asians, 13% of first children were born outside of marriage; 7% of women were cohabiting.

Obviously there are cultural differences between races in America that contribute to different wedlock practices, but as I said earlier in this thread - I had two opportunities to knock up white chicks earlier this year. That alone blew my mind, I thought for sure women wanted to wait for marriage or whatever.

Shit is changing fast. Maybe in ten years from now marriage will be considered a luxury and unnecessary for childbearing?

However 92 per cent of college-educated women are married when they have a child

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...dlock.html

Post: #133

(09-10-2012 12:28 PM)phoenixhr Wrote:  Life is work. Game is work. How is the argument weak? Because you personally don't want to work at the topic of discussion? Do you then, but don't dismiss the truth because it isn't your truth. Saying you just want a loving relationship is like asking for free money. Neither come for free, and both you pay for with your time.

Life is work. Game is work. No one stays the same, etc. are largely tautological statements. The bait and switch is very real. If a person engages in certain behavior for the purpose of achieving a goal, then immediately withholds that same behavior once they've achieved it, that isn't the person "changing" or "evolving." That's them manipulating you. Gaming, working or cajoling a bitch into sucking my dick when we're married, when she was all too willing to do it before marriage is work that I'm unwilling to do. If a woman is unwilling to undertake the simplest of acts to see to my happiness without mental gymnastics, I'd prefer to be in a situation where I can easily dismiss her. There will arise certain situations or issues in a marriage that will require work, and maybe even a little pain to resolve. There are certain relationship basics between two people that are either there, or you'll never truly have them. Yeah, you might have to put your mack down occasionally to keep her straight if she's slipping, but you can't instill in her the willingness to want to please you at her core if it isn't really there.

Post: #134

Married guys have told me that things change a lot once you have kids around. Her focus moves to the kids and you fade into the background.

This scene from Before Sunset is a good treatment of that subject.

Quote:Céline: So, (sigh) what is it like to be married? You haven't talked much about that. (Circles back to Jesse’s left and leans on the front railing.)

Jesse: I haven't? (Sarcastically.) How weird?! I don't know, we met...you know when I was in college...and uh…we broke up and got back together, for a period of years, and then...um…what…we were sort of back together, and she was pregnant...so, marriage.

Céline: What is she like?

Jesse: She's a great teacher, a good mom. Ahh, she's smart...pretty...I remember thinking at the time, that so many of the men that I admired most, you know, that their lives were...were dedicated to something greater than themselves.

Céline: So you got married because men you admired were married?

Jesse: No, no, it...it's more like I have this...this idea of my best self! You know? And I wanted to pursue that...even if it might have been overriding my honest self! You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's funny like...in the moment I remember thinking that it didn't much matter the "Who?" of it all...I mean that…that nobody is gonna be everything to you...and that ultimately it's just a simple action of committing yourself, you know meeting your responsibilities that...that matters. I mean what is love, right, if it's not respect, trust, admiration…and I...I felt all those things! So cut to the present tense, and I feel like I'm running a small nursery with somebody I...used to date, you know. I mean, I'm like a monk, you know. I mean, I've had sex less than...10 times in the last 4 years. (Céline breaks into laughter.) What? What, what? Are you laughing at me?

Céline: No.

Jesse: It sounds pathetic?

Céline: What monastery do the monks have sex…uh, 10 times?

Jesse: OK, I'm doing better than most monks, alright? But I do, I feel like if somebody were to touch me, you know, I would (waves his hands for emphasis) dissolve into molecules.

Post: #135

(09-10-2012 01:39 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  Gaming, working or cajoling a bitch into sucking my dick when we're married, when she was all too willing to do it before marriage is work that I'm unwilling to do.

you can never stop pimpin'

its true.

all these beta herb bitches who can't have hobbies or go out with friends when they are married have that problem because they're not pimpin.

and who said she was "all too willing" before like it meant that you didn't game her then? you act like she just sucked your dick for no reason. you gamed her.

game her then now and always

Post: #136

Quote:Gaming, working or cajoling a bitch into sucking my dick when we're married, when she was all too willing to do it before marriage is work that I'm unwilling to do.

No bitch is going to go through years of putting on a front just to get marriage. And if she does, holy shit you landed in the crazy. It takes 4+ years to cultivate a LTR and Reaper couldn't have said it better. Marriage is long term game.

Post: #137

(09-10-2012 05:12 PM)phoenixhr Wrote:  

Quote:Gaming, working or cajoling a bitch into sucking my dick when we're married, when she was all too willing to do it before marriage is work that I'm unwilling to do.

No bitch is going to go through years of putting on a front just to get marriage. And if she does, holy shit you landed in the crazy. It takes 4+ years to cultivate a LTR and Reaper couldn't have said it better. Marriage is long term game.

There are plenty of EE and Asian women who will work that long scam. If you think it's not there you're in for a world of hurt.

Post: #138

I just skimmed this thread, mostly because the resposes were pissing me off... but, what the hell is going on around here? I go away for a while and come back to dudes making arguments for marriage and children? That you need one with the other? That to find a good woman willing to have your bastard spawn you will HAVE to marry her?

No one is screaming the troll alert for this nonsense?

There is absolutely NO reality or truth in ANY of that. It's the most backward vaginal logic I may have read on this board to date. If you have some strange desire to be a dad, I first would advise you to find a friend with a child younger than four- ask their opinion. If you still feel "man, he just doesn't get it... I'd be great with kids", ask the same friend if you can babysit their child for two weeks. If you STILL feel like you want to give up your life to raise another one who will not appreciate your sacrifice for a solid two decades, you're either a rare breed or fucking insane.

...but EVEN SO, this notion that a "good woman" or someone you deem fit to be a "good mother" to your kid will require you to marry them is like... 13 year old girl chick-flick vomit. This isn't 1955. I think the perception of marriage is changing drastically with every generation that starts reaching that age. Mostly because we saw our parents be f'ing miserable and the smart ones learned the lesson. It isn't necessary- in any way, shape or form.

I was married. I was happy. She was cool. We had a kid. She stayed home. Became uncool. I was annoyed. We got divorced. I got custody. I'm happy.

Still... don't be me.

AND ABOUT DAYCARE!--- I have sole physical and legal custody of my son, who is six. He went to preschool/daycare eveyday for the past three years- and loved it. I saw it mentioned "they learn more there than sitting at home watching mommy on facebook" A-freaking-MEN! Some of you have insane misconceptions of modern marriage and the stay-at-home mom. I know tons of them. Hell, it's my ace-in-the-hole for bangs. Milfs love a "good dad" like me who stepped up... they're all terrible parents. Daycares actually TEACH them shit. They interact with other children on a regular basis and get REAL mental stimulation. What the hell are you guys thinking?

Wha------nevermind. This is "one of those things" in life that you can't teach someone. You have to figure it out for yourself. You'll see...

Post: #139

To add to what SDS said. In Florida they have VPK that the state pays for. It's a free pre kindergarten program that's in place because the kids who stay home with Facebook mom are too far behind to start real school. Good job Ladies!

Post: #140

(09-10-2012 10:11 AM)RawGod Wrote:  I wonder if the whole climate of gender relations in the Anglosphere is a result of divorce laws in those countries. Would be good if someone less lazy than myself could write up a comparison of the laws in different places.

Both the toxic climate of gender relations and the absurd divorce laws are the product of excessive pedestalization of women by the men of these nations.
Anglo-European men have, essentially, taken pedestalization of women to levels few others dare to approach (only Scandinavians are on a similar level). This is why their women adopt and maintain intangibles that we find displeasing (entitlement, rudeness, aggressiveness, lack of femininity relative to others, etc). Their behavior is almost purely the result of enabling by their men.

How do these men enable their women? Think about those divorce laws and who is responsible for crafting and subsequently maintaining them.

Is it the women? Of course not. They can force nothing without male acquiescence. Rather, they merely take what they are given. Men will allow the existence of a legal system that robs them blind at the whim of their women, so women make ample use of it. Men will allow and even defend the maintenance of somewhat unfair family court system dynamics (stealth alimony, etc), so women seek them out and often get good rewards. Men will praise even a somewhat plump woman, so women indulge a little more. Men will pursue a cute (or even plain) girl and buy her things even if she flakes, so they flake at will.

Women here behave the way they do because they know how far men will allow them to go (as evidenced by the woman-friendly legal system they have made and still enforce with little protest), and they enjoy pushing the boundaries and challenging said men in somewhat unattractive (some would say just plain rude) ways because they know there are no consequences if they fail.

For white women, the most enabled and protected group of people in America, this is especially true since their consequences are especially few. When you are almost literally a protected class existing somewhat above the law, what is the excuse not to be an entitled bitch? You could choose to avoid being one merely as a matter of principle and many do, but many don't and why should they? Why not throw out your husband whenever you get bored on a whim after (X) years of marriage? What is the price? Men'll let it happen, might as well do it. That is the dynamic that has existed in the anglosphere for a very long time.

What we see is a failure of men.

Post: #141

(09-10-2012 06:05 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(09-10-2012 05:12 PM)phoenixhr Wrote:  

Quote:Gaming, working or cajoling a bitch into sucking my dick when we're married, when she was all too willing to do it before marriage is work that I'm unwilling to do.

No bitch is going to go through years of putting on a front just to get marriage. And if she does, holy shit you landed in the crazy. It takes 4+ years to cultivate a LTR and Reaper couldn't have said it better. Marriage is long term game.

There are plenty of EE and Asian women who will work that long scam. If you think it's not there you're in for a world of hurt.

That 4+ year rule may be your personal opinion, but PLENTY of folks meet and walk down the aisle a lot earlier than that. It's a little naive to think that chicks don't run the long con to get you to give them a ring. You might think you're running game to get her to do all that shit, but she's just as likely to have sized you up as a great catch that she's determined not to let get away. I've heard groups of married chicks laugh about this kind of thing - how they were willing to do A,B,C to get him, but right after they were married they stopped. You can say "oh, those motherfuckers don't know how to game those bitches," but they have their own game they run. I'm not arguing the fact that strong game is necessary on the part of men in ALL dealings with women, but the mantra that somehow all chicks can be straightened out and made compliant within the context of marriage by game doesn't ring true to me. And let's not even talk about those "career" women that will tell him they want to work, even after having kids, then decide...NAH. Nevermind, I'll stay home instead. Yeah, she changed her mind and re-evaluated her priorities, but you in part married her because you thought you'd have a two salary home. She changed HER mind, but you can't change yours.

Post: #142

(09-10-2012 05:12 PM)phoenixhr Wrote:  

Quote:Gaming, working or cajoling a bitch into sucking my dick when we're married, when she was all too willing to do it before marriage is work that I'm unwilling to do.

No bitch is going to go through years of putting on a front just to get marriage. And if she does, holy shit you landed in the crazy. It takes 4+ years to cultivate a LTR and Reaper couldn't have said it better. Marriage is long term game.

Say that to my ex single mom (my Kid) who snagged another Marine (former Myself) to marry her in less than 2 years.

You underestimate the power of dedicated pussy before a marriage.

Post: #143

(09-10-2012 12:28 PM)phoenixhr Wrote:  Life is work. Game is work. How is the argument weak? Because you personally don't want to work at the topic of discussion? Do you then, but don't dismiss the truth because it isn't your truth. Saying you just want a loving relationship is like asking for free money. Neither come for free, and both you pay for with your time.

The best relationships I've had required almost zero effort on my part. Like I said, I don't want a job, I want a loving relationship.

Post: #144

As far as gaming your wife goes (from the first post):

Quote:The odds are you probably will end up divorced. You don’t know how to be married. You think you do and you think that Game might help to avoid divorce. Fuck off. The only way you will stay married is if she has no better alternative to you. And if you have no balls. If you are a nice little handyman, if you stand around and hold her coat and let her direct the movie, then she might just let you keep on being her slave. All this talk about Game saving you from divorce is pretty recent and to me, mighty suspect with what I know about being married. My opinion is that if you are a lion, then you will be divorced. If you are a mouse then you might be divorced. You have to toe the line of what women think is the “good dad” and you will have to subordinate yourself to the woman’s definition of the “greater good”.

Post: #145

(09-10-2012 10:40 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  

(09-05-2012 05:31 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Honestly, what woman would want to have children with a man unwilling to marry them? She is going to carry a baby to term, potentially risk her life during delivery, need your financial support and protection while she raises the child - and you aren't even willing to marry her because someday she might divorce you and you lose some possessions? She is all in when she gets pregnant. It is only reasonable that she wants the same commitment in return.

Getting married lets her know you are in it together and that you mean it. It is the same statement to society as well (not that I care too much what others think, but she will). Now don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of no fault divorce necessarily, or indefinite alimony, so I can understand certain objections. Our laws need reform. If you really want protection, put your assets into a trust before you get married.

I wonder about this place sometimes. This argument is the same thing as wanting a feminine, demure, attractive girl and bitching about assuming the masculine role and buying her a drink or dinner. This forum loves to bitch about how feminists have changed women, yet balks at assuming traditional males roles like husband or father. In the long run, raising successful children in a loving family will be 100 times more satisfying than just banging sluts in one night stands and ending up old and alone.

If you don't want children then by all means don't get married. I understand that argument.

The stability and tradition of a loving two parent household, however, is important to raise well adjusted children - and that means living together for the long term, and that doesn't mean her divorcing you and taking the children out of your life either. You need to find the right girl.

I think I'd rather die "old and alone" then end up batshit insane like my father.

As far what woman would want to have children with a man who won't marry them? I suppose that would be an alpha male. I'm pretty sure the status quo of the hamster brain is to fuck the alpha male and get a beta male to support her through the child's youth.

Haven't you ever heard of any girl getting knocked up by a lover and then jumping on the most convenient beta male to marry them? Or examples of cuckoldry? It happens.

And why are you writing about how we're "balking traditional male roles"? That's social programming at it's finest. Traditional male roles are to murder the competition and smash poontang. The whole "husband" thing in a nuclear family unit is not particularly natural, but it is the winning recipe for civilization. Give a beta male a girl to take care of and he will work himself to death to keep her.

In all seriousness, it's the women who have "balked" traditional female roles by making the men invest fully half of their resources at no extra benefit to the man whatsoever.

Are you familiar with the concept of a dowry? A wife's family used to give the husband a plot of land or some money for him to take the wife. If I'm not mistaken, the bride's family used to pay for the wedding, too. The cultures who treat women like property, they know that women lose much of their allure after 10 years.

So you ask us, what would motivate us to knock up a chick without ensuring her power over us? Why do you want the woman to have the power? That's asinine. Sure, I would like to be a father, but the time to be a father in a culture where men are universally respected is long since gone. If I have kids, I sure as hell don't want the woman to have the power to end it all whenever she feels like it. I've seen that shit happen too many times, I don't think there's more than a handful of guys over 40 that I know who haven't been divorced at least once.

So yes, we "bitch" about traditional male roles. It's because there is no reciprocity between the genders in America. Your good intentions don't matter to these women. The women expect us to pony up when it's convenient for them, and then when it's their turn, they drop all their shit and tell you to go to hell.

Don't assume the woman had all the power in a custody battle. I have successfully demolished my ex to where I get more time then what I've asked for.

The trick?

Strong job
Strong attitude to point out my ex's weaknesses
Strong lawyer to match my attitude

I've had a bad lawyer and a great lawyer. The difference is night and day for no $ difference. Interview the shit out of your lawyer. Go in a ruling suit and act like the boss.

Have your affairs in order. Save all your emails and text messages. Save all conversations. Every little thing that can incriminate, save it.

Think like the most evil cold bastard. When court time comes, act like you don't understand why she acts that way. You be accommodating and let her be the bitch. Then point out all her flaws.

Post: #146

(09-10-2012 07:40 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  but the mantra that somehow all chicks can be straightened out and made compliant within the context of marriage by game doesn't ring true to me. And let's not even talk about those "career" women that will tell him they want to work, even after having kids, then decide...NAH. Nevermind, I'll stay home instead. Yeah, she changed her mind and re-evaluated her priorities, but you in part married her because you thought you'd have a two salary home. She changed HER mind, but you can't change yours.

You're assuming that the game stops after marriage. Never has never will, it just goes on to a different level. The game never stops, nor do you ever stop changing your strategy.

Post: #147

(09-10-2012 09:27 PM)SnakeEyes Wrote:  

(09-10-2012 05:12 PM)phoenixhr Wrote:  

Quote:Gaming, working or cajoling a bitch into sucking my dick when we're married, when she was all too willing to do it before marriage is work that I'm unwilling to do.

No bitch is going to go through years of putting on a front just to get marriage. And if she does, holy shit you landed in the crazy. It takes 4+ years to cultivate a LTR and Reaper couldn't have said it better. Marriage is long term game.

Say that to my ex single mom (my Kid) who snagged another Marine (former Myself) to marry her in less than 2 years.

You underestimate the power of dedicated pussy before a marriage.

I'm speaking merely in the context of what should be done. Reality is FAR different. No one really takes the time to learn the ins and outs of people anymore. That only goes to show exactly what I ment by you should be 4+ years in. Shit moves too fast now-a-days in our ADD superculture.

Post: #148

(09-10-2012 09:50 PM)Samseau Wrote:  As far as gaming your wife goes (from the first post):

Quote:The odds are you probably will end up divorced. You don’t know how to be married. You think you do and you think that Game might help to avoid divorce. Fuck off.

Odds in a general culture sure, with fudged numbers. But we all live in subcultures, and those divorce rates are far different. That post smacks of bitterness. Which facet of game will not help? Control Game is what i'm talking. Avoiding complacency is what i'm talking. I'm talking to try to help dudes out who are considering marriage and help them in the right direction to their happiness. A happy man is a happy relationship. A happy woman is an unhappy man. Her happiness trickles down from me. I figure out what makes her happy because she keeps me happy.

fuck, no idea where i was going with all that...right ideas, just the threads is too loose in the weave atm. time to regroup in the morning.

Post: #149

(09-07-2012 09:42 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(09-06-2012 04:58 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  As for how to reconcile marriage and kids? For me I would have an unfenced sexual relationship with the mother and sign and legal contract that lays out financial and parental responsibilities for both of us * AND NOTHING ELSE * as a replacement for the marriage contract.

Such a contract should always assume joint responsibility.

my girl is pregnant. she is a legit 8. she comes from money. education. we're not married.

i'm considering what you've written above.

Do it.

But if you are going to do it, spend some serious $$$ right now making sure the thing is water tight legally.

Finding out later than it is not is going to be far more expensive.

Post: #150

(09-11-2012 06:13 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 09:42 PM)reaper23 Wrote:  

(09-06-2012 04:58 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  As for how to reconcile marriage and kids? For me I would have an unfenced sexual relationship with the mother and sign and legal contract that lays out financial and parental responsibilities for both of us * AND NOTHING ELSE * as a replacement for the marriage contract.

Such a contract should always assume joint responsibility.

my girl is pregnant. she is a legit 8. she comes from money. education. we're not married.

i'm considering what you've written above.

Do it.

But if you are going to do it, spend some serious $$$ right now making sure the thing is water tight legally.

Finding out later than it is not is going to be far more expensive.

interestingly, she is the one with the real financial risk. all of my assets are tied up in various LLCs that have multiple members whose shares can not be sold, encumbered or otherwise transfered. plus it was acquired previous to our relationship.

she comes from real money $50MM+ family wealth. I suspect that if there was to be a wedding, her father's lawyers would be calling me with a prenup. as her money will be coming as she turns 27 this year...