Post: #126

(09-19-2012 05:26 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 01:56 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 01:53 PM)Prowl Wrote:  Why would anyone daygame in a venue where it takes 5hrs to get 5 approaches?

I agree. That is a waste of time. Thats why college campuses are the best. Thousands of targets. I can do 5 approaches in 30 minutes!

Just stating the obvious, but a large mall or a downtown area will also have lots and lots of girls... In terms of pure volume the best spot I've ever found was a mall with a subway station underneath it. New girls were constantly being pumped into one section of the bottom floor. Anyway, very curious as to where OP was approaching if it took an hour for each approach

Melbourne Central?

Post: #127

Seems like the thread creator got banned for whatever reason. Even so, I disagree with a lot of the stuff in his first post and I've spent about the same amount of time doing only daygame in NYC.

To anyone sharing sentiment with the thread creator:

The batting average (1 date in 10 approaches) is bullshit. Don't keep a batting average. That makes you want to avoid rejection to maintain the average.

That's a bad attitude. How are you going to learn if you think like that?
You need to be willing to coast on nothing but rejections to learn to do daygame.

In my experience, the batting average doesn't even reflect anything important about skill level or probability. Some days I can go out specifically to daygame, do 10 approaches and get 10 rejections (maybe my vibe is wrong). Some days I do 10 approaches and I meet 10 hot girls with boyfriends. Batting average: 0%. who fucking cares.

Other days I go out running errands, approach 1 cute girl, make plans to see her the next day. Wow, 100%! Better than Paul Janka? What's my secret?

Your vibe / game will change day to day, and the women you meet are totally randomized. Instead of worrying about a percentage worry about improving your game so that it's actually fun talking to the girls and not just reading your routine stack
Some guys do daygame and make spreadsheets. I do daygame to interact with people.
Some guys do daygame to calculate percentages. I do daygame knowing that if I get 9 blowouts and meet 1 awesome girl, I met an awesome girl.

Post: #128

First of all if you are getting 1/10 date/approach rate, you are at a very high level indeed. Assuming you convert half your dates into lays, you're running 5%. Janka's stats come in at around 3%, similarly Krauser's stats at just under 3%. Krauser usefully mentions 1/20 abroad, 1/50 in London (mostly foreign girls), so you can see a huge difference between rates among foreign transplants vs foreign girls in their native countries. (2.5x). If you are doing anything like 3-5% in the US/UK, you have clearly found some kind of niche, and/or are extremely good looking/charming/high status etc.

If you can't get 1/50 lay/approach rate I would focus on moving to a place known for higher ROI. If you're in the Anglosphere, even a move to some non-Anglo western European country would likely boost results, especially if you know the language. If you're already in western Europe, try EE. If you're already in EE and still can't make it work, try SEA or an "easier" SA country like Peru.

In the short-term, sure, batting averages seem like a nerdy thing to do. But long-term, once you see huge differences in your ROI when doing the same things in different locations, you would be an idiot not to take that into account. Unless you have pressing reasons for staying in the lower ROI location, you're just throwing lays away by ignoring basic stats.

As for time per approach, I find it's completely random, I can stay 2 hours with one girl who will then flake, or 2 minutes with another girl of similar quality who is eager to come out.

Dedicating time for day game is often necessary for fast progress. It's not commonly done, no, but you have to do exceptional things to get exceptional results. The man getting laid from day time approaches is definitely the exception. Busy malls and city centers offer high foot traffic so you can get more approaches done than you might think. Sometimes there are just TOO many girls walking by.

And even outside the Anglosphere, day game is still brutal for introverts. For those who find it easy and fun, great, but there's a reason 99.9% of men don't do it.

Post: #129

I almost exclusively daygame. In my opinion, figures are meaningless. The random nature of these encounters does not lend itself to quantification. You just need to be in the right place, in the right state, at the right time. Put yourself in a position to be lucky.

Getting into state is the hard part. You are almost gaming yourself while in the field: it's 90% emotional self-regulation. It is crucial to achieve and maintain that relaxed state when chatting to a girl. Sometimes it's a tightrope. But it's really about you, not her. After that, everything else should fall into place.

OP paid no attention to this, and suffered deeply because of it. A rejection will always sting, but it's often clear within minutes what direction things are going. You don't push such cases into overt rejection. It's rare that girls will act bitchy unless your game is off. Today I had a great encounter, but the chick had a boyfriend. Still boosted my mood: that's a success.

I would never go out just to daygame. As many posters have replied: when you are proficient enough, you can just pounce when the opportunity strikes. Don't set yourself up to fail. Put yourself in good situations, and get proficient enough to let nature can takes its course.

Post: #130

I haven't run 100 daygame approaches here in New England, but probably 50 over the course of several months. I think for my efforts I got two numbers that flaked, and one "insta-date" with a fairly hostile girl that went nowhere.

I recall that I had one approach with a woman at the mall that I thought was going pretty well. When I asked for her number her eyes went wide and she went white as a ghost, and implied that she was going to seek out security or something. I got the hell out of there.

A few women would straight up say "why are you talking to me like you know me? totally inappropriate" and things like that.

I mentioned to a male acquaintance that I asked for the number of a girl working at a coffee shop and he said something similar. "What? Totally unbelievable and rude."

I've been doing really well refreshing my Spanish this winter.

Post: #131

^
Record your approaches. Get a sound recorder app for your phone, turn it on before you approach, and stick it in your pocket. Evaluate later. You may be surprised.

Also, if you can, find someone, preferably with more daygame experience, to watch your approaches. Pay him or buy him drinks if necessary.

I'm no fan of American women, but if you're getting nuclear rejections during the day, you're doing something wrong.

Your approach volume also seems light. Unless you live in bumfuck, you should be able to do at least 5-10 approaches each week. And yes, that means you need to go out just for daygame - if you want to improve.

Post: #132

^ Good ideas. Naturally, those were the worst ones I selected. The overwhelming majority I would simply characterise as "polite dismissal", i.e. you start talking and she smiles and says perhaps a couple words back, and then goes back to whatever she was doing. If one keeps talking you might get a couple more words out, but eventually if you press forwards they'll just start looking at you quizzically as if to say "I don't really understand what the purpose of this is."

At some point you have to hope for something resembling a conversation to move forwards - and they just ain't wanna give it up. Frankly, many women even into their 30s around here strike me as borderline aspie. Two of my friends are married to women who grew up around here, and they're so introverted and terrified of "outsiders" that they couldn't hold a conversation with a stranger to save their life.

I was thinking the other night that basically the whole history of New England, the Massachusetts Bay Colony, is that it was founded by a bunch of standoffish religious nuts who thought they were too good for everyone and ran away, and then fragmented into other factions (like Roger Williams who would eventually found Rhode Island) who thought they were being oppressed by the original factions. In the meantime for fun they burned "witches" at the stake.

Dont seem to have changed much. Won't stop me from trying more until I leave here, though.

Post: #133

Everyone finds their own game, but it's my personal opinion that unless you are a really good actor, than indirect game is an easy way to look fake, forced, and incongruent. A lot of women get that" What? So creepy no way" reaction because they can likely sense you're indirect approach was just a thinly veiled excuse to get her number.

I preach being direct. Say hi, ask her name, and tell her you thought she was pretty and you'd like to get to know her. Exchange a little banter, say you gotta be somewhere but you'd love to get together sometime soon, then go for digits and tell her you'll hit her up later and make some plans.

Post: #134

^ Agree. If you're getting the "I don't really understand what the purpose of this is" look, go more direct.

It's one of the reasons I switched from Roosh indirect daygame to London-style "direct" daygame.

The main reason being that I found myself wasting time on sets-to-nowhere going indirect while other girls walked by.

Post: #135

My thing is that I am not a good bullshitter. I find it very difficult for me to look natural and "own" a cover-up to the real reason I'm doing something. Not to mention, because I'm aware of this, I'm fully conscious of it when I try to do it so it stifles my game more because I feel like everyone can see right through it - so I just go for honesty. Tell a bitch you think she's cute and you want to hang. This is also WAY less work than bring up some bullshit reason to talk then trying to find a way to steer the conversation into going on a date. Just come right out the box with it.

One of my favorite quotes from a member on this forum (forgive me I forget who but the credit is not mine) when talking about easy direct game. It's not so much a quote but a type of game move:

Me: Are you single?
Her: ...yes
Me: Do you think I'm attractive?
Her: ...yes
Me: Then why aren't we kissing right now?
Her: ... *nothing to say*
*pause holding intense eye contact for just a moment with a smirk on your face then go for the kiss*

^ It can be as simple as that.

Post: #136

(04-21-2016 02:50 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  A few women would straight up say "why are you talking to me like you know me? totally inappropriate" and things like that.

I mentioned to a male acquaintance that I asked for the number of a girl working at a coffee shop and he said something similar. "What? Totally unbelievable and rude."

1. Fuck those New England uppity cunts. It is unnatural for them to speak that way.

2. Fuck you friend he is a cunt.

3. As a beginner if you are aiming for high quality 7+ be willing to put in 150 approaches for a lay. At least 75-100 for a 6.

4. It is up to you if the time cost reward is worth it the approach time. Many if not most guys find that only doing approaches during their daily routine (yet tailoring their daily routine to involve going to places with ass foot traffic).