Post: #101

I think this attitude is helpful:

http://calnewport.com/blog/2012/07/24/pe...y+Hacks%29

Post: #102

(07-09-2012 01:45 PM)slubu Wrote:  thedude, how the hell do you get to 45 minutes at a place like target where they are there to shop? or a grocery store? I'm asking with respect because I still never daygame and I need to get over this psychological hurdle of mine. I approach more girls on a single night out than I have in my entire life during the daytime. Obviously people do it all the time so I know it's my own mental block. Just don't see how one gets to 15 minutes, much less 45.

Slubu, just talk to EVERYONE including guys. ALL OF THE TIME, EVERYWHERE YOU GO. Make it a legit convo. Crack Some jokes, add some sarcastic humor, confidence, along with a little knowledge. All while screening if the chick is into you. If it seems like she's into you then gear the conversation into whatever topic you like. Jump around to to different shit if you feel like it. I do this shit whenever I'm chatting up someone on the subway train. Your trapped until it's their stop.

I flirt with every girl I speak to , and plenty give IOI's, the ones that don't I consider a waste of energy. I close off conversation and keep it moving. Some of them that reject me do so very nicely because they have just met a bright, mysterious intelectual that they partially admire, just not enough to give you her number. If there are IOI's i admit that Is my fault for not number closing, this is usually because I try not to stretch any given interaction for too long unless I'm really diggin' the chick. I get Flaked ALOT. But because I'm fulltime doing this shit, it never matters.

I try to keep interactions under 10 minutes. and If I lose I keep it pushing to the next. I cover way more ground and invest a lot less energy that way. Do this EVERYWHERE YOU GO, Dress Fly and you'll be a walking FULL-TIME CONFIDENT ALPHA MACHINE. Before you know it the phonebook in your phone will be full, and the club and bar will just be a hangout spot for when you and the fellas are bored.

Post: #103

Prettyboy - I like that. Great advice player. Ive noticed its a lot easier for me when I go out and strike up conversations with everyone. You get in a talkimg mood real quick.

Post: #104

Day game is great if you are always on and can just chat up pretty girls instead of letting them walk by. It's also pretty great when you are in a new city or country and just want to walk around and explore and ask girls for tips on the city and directions. I think I will be doing a lot of reading outside this fall with my Kindle and will make sure to try to chat up a few girls while I'm doing something that I already enjoy or is productive.

However I do agree that setting out a block of time for nothing else but day game is quite brutal. One time I decided to go to a shopping mall for 1.5 hours and do day game even though I really only had one thing that I might possibly buy, and it was just boring -- not enough cute girls to make the time or effort worthwhile. Next time I set out a time for day game, I will make sure I am having more fun or being more productive in the meantime.

Post: #105

Two things in response to this thread:

1) While it's interesting and illuminating comparing yourself to gurus like Janka or whoever, that's similar to playing highschool basketball and comparing yourself to Lebron.

In the pickup community there is very much a sense that we have secret knowledge which will somehow give us all the potential to be Grade A Worldclass Players. I think what is often forgotten is that to be that level requires a certain degree of genetic luck. Lebron works hard, sure, but he's also an incredibly gifted athlete.

A less frustration inducing metric is to compare yourself to your buddies. I hang out with some people who are objectively some of the "best and brightest" in America, yet these dudes go on maybe one new date a month and bang maybe 1-2 new chicks a year, usually through social circle drunken hookups with beat chicks.

So 1/10 dates-to-approaches ratio? By almost anyone's standard but the top guru's, you're rocking it. However, it's a dangerous line to walk between motivation killing contentment and motivation killing fantasy ideals. Just don't give up on daygame because you're not swimming in ass like a rapstar.

2) Efficiency. I didn't get a feel for how long you were going out and daygaming for, but I'll use Krauser's recommendation as a baseline (2-5pm, Sat/Sun, with occasional breaks). That ~6 hours a week to do daygame. Now compare that to your average nightgame session. You go out at 10-11pm at night and stay out until 2-3am? That's how my nights usually went.

I also know tons of guys who go out to happy hours 2-3 times a week to "socialize" (really just a way of getting themselves out there to meet people) on top of going hard Fri/Sat nights.

All that time really adds up, AND it screws with your sleep schedule. If you drink much, hangovers can increase the cost even more with the whole "I have to recover" feeling.

For me, two hours of walking around campus after class or in the mall on the weekend translates to more solid numbers with higher quality chicks on a timeframe that fits much better with my preferred living schedule. Of course, others may (and will) disagree, but be sure to add up the full cost of nightgame before you throw daygame out the window.

Post: #106

Deb:

"I don't feel like i'm ageing despite being 36 years old, the feeling I get when I walk out on the streets is akin to waking up every morning to do something you enjoy like play Golf - I walk out onto the main square, into a wilderness of legs, bosoms, high heels and smiles.

I look at a girl, she smiles at me, I stop her and say "Hey, what's your name" the rest is poetry in motion."




That's a positive way of viewing day game. I need more of that kind of thinking to get me to do the approaches. why not appreciate day time approaches like someone would appreciate and hone their serve in tennis?

Post: #107

(08-21-2012 02:53 PM)Rurik Wrote:  "I don't feel like i'm ageing despite being 36 years old, the feeling I get when I walk out on the streets is akin to waking up every morning to do something you enjoy like play Golf - I walk out onto the main square, into a wilderness of legs, bosoms, high heels and smiles.

I look at a girl, she smiles at me, I stop her and say "Hey, what's your name" the rest is poetry in motion."

That's a positive way of viewing day game. I need more of that kind of thinking to get me to do the approaches. why not appreciate day time approaches like someone would appreciate and hone their serve in tennis?

This is exactly how I feel when I wake up every morning!!!

Time to get better at my favorite sport!

Post: #108

Posted this on another thread but it's worth reiterating here.

Yesterday was the first day of lectures at the local college campus. I approached 20 girls in 5 hours. Got 7 numbers. Only 3 texted me back.

IMO day game in the US is a huge time sink. There are far more efficient ways to get laid - bars and clubs, social circles, online. Why? These are the "socially approved" channels of meeting people, at least in the US.

The guys who've made day game work target a specific niche of girls - tourists/foreign girls. Foreign girls who are new to the country don't have established social circles, and tourist girls are just looking to have fun. Some guys like Krauser travel to poorer Eastern European countries where they can leverage their status as wealthy Englishmen, and where the girls have less "stranger danger random creeper" paranoia (American women) and are far more amenable to meeting men on the streets.

I recall Krauser spent a month in SoCal and didn't get laid once. If a day game pro with a British accent like Krauser can't make day game work in the US, why waste your time?

For a people who pride themselves in being "independent", American girls are remarkably sheep-like in their conformity. There's too much "creeper" paranoia to make day game work in the US, and younger girls are increasingly insular and tethered Facebook social circles.

The solution is to either either target foreign/tourist girls exclusively, or day game in a country where you can leverage your "wealthy Westerner" status and the local girls are open to meeting men during the day.

Post: #109

(09-11-2012 03:15 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  Posted this on another thread but it's worth reiterating here.

Yesterday was the first day of lectures at the local college campus. I approached 20 girls in 5 hours. Got 7 numbers. Only 3 texted me back.

IMO day game in the US is a huge time sink. There are far more efficient ways to get laid - bars and clubs, social circles, online. Why? These are the "socially approved" channels of meeting people, at least in the US.

The guys who've made day game work target a specific niche of girls - tourists/foreign girls. Foreign girls who are new to the country don't have established social circles, and tourist girls are just looking to have fun. Some guys like Krauser travel to poorer Eastern European countries where they can leverage their status as wealthy Englishmen, and where the girls have less "stranger danger random creeper" paranoia (American women) and are far more amenable to meeting men on the streets.

I recall Krauser spent a month in SoCal and didn't get laid once. If a day game pro with a British accent like Krauser can't make day game work in the US, why waste your time?

For a people who pride themselves in being "independent", American girls are remarkably sheep-like in their conformity. There's too much "creeper" paranoia to make day game work in the US, and younger girls are increasingly insular and tethered Facebook social circles.

The solution is to either either target foreign/tourist girls exclusively, or day game in a country where you can leverage your "wealthy Westerner" status and the local girls are open to meeting men during the day.

I've shared similar sentiments for a long time. Day game is just too time intensive and is insanely difficult. Night game is still difficult, but feels so much easier in comparison for me.

I wish I could find a good day game niche to exploit, as girls in the day time tend to be much higher quality, but until then day game remains elusive to me.

Post: #110

Curious as to what city you're doing this in?

I'm in San Diego and my experience so far in the day has been quite positive. I'm not pulling tons of ass but for my time invested I think I'm doing pretty well.

I do think my appearance helps out a lot but don't mistake that for me being good looking. I'm short, asian, and 35. However I'm pretty fit, have all my hair, and my style is on point. I used to go out with one guy who was tall and looked like avg Joe Frat Boy. He got blown out like no tomorrow. If you're overweight and dress like crap then I can see how daygame would be a huge time waste.

(09-11-2012 03:15 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  Posted this on another thread but it's worth reiterating here.

Yesterday was the first day of lectures at the local college campus. I approached 20 girls in 5 hours. Got 7 numbers. Only 3 texted me back.

IMO day game in the US is a huge time sink. There are far more efficient ways to get laid - bars and clubs, social circles, online. Why? These are the "socially approved" channels of meeting people, at least in the US.

The guys who've made day game work target a specific niche of girls - tourists/foreign girls. Foreign girls who are new to the country don't have established social circles, and tourist girls are just looking to have fun. Some guys like Krauser travel to poorer Eastern European countries where they can leverage their status as wealthy Englishmen, and where the girls have less "stranger danger random creeper" paranoia (American women) and are far more amenable to meeting men on the streets.

I recall Krauser spent a month in SoCal and didn't get laid once. If a day game pro with a British accent like Krauser can't make day game work in the US, why waste your time?

For a people who pride themselves in being "independent", American girls are remarkably sheep-like in their conformity. There's too much "creeper" paranoia to make day game work in the US, and younger girls are increasingly insular and tethered Facebook social circles.

The solution is to either either target foreign/tourist girls exclusively, or day game in a country where you can leverage your "wealthy Westerner" status and the local girls are open to meeting men during the day.

Post: #111

Pal, just posted a report on this so think its relevant for you.

Get some props! You will make you life so much easier and start to enjoy the process, it shoudln't be as emotionally draining as you are finding it.

Post: #112

(09-11-2012 03:15 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  Posted this on another thread but it's worth reiterating here.

Yesterday was the first day of lectures at the local college campus. I approached 20 girls in 5 hours. Got 7 numbers. Only 3 texted me back.

IMO day game in the US is a huge time sink. There are far more efficient ways to get laid - bars and clubs, social circles, online. Why? These are the "socially approved" channels of meeting people, at least in the US.

The guys who've made day game work target a specific niche of girls - tourists/foreign girls. Foreign girls who are new to the country don't have established social circles, and tourist girls are just looking to have fun. Some guys like Krauser travel to poorer Eastern European countries where they can leverage their status as wealthy Englishmen, and where the girls have less "stranger danger random creeper" paranoia (American women) and are far more amenable to meeting men on the streets.

I recall Krauser spent a month in SoCal and didn't get laid once. If a day game pro with a British accent like Krauser can't make day game work in the US, why waste your time?

For a people who pride themselves in being "independent", American girls are remarkably sheep-like in their conformity. There's too much "creeper" paranoia to make day game work in the US, and younger girls are increasingly insular and tethered Facebook social circles.

The solution is to either either target foreign/tourist girls exclusively, or day game in a country where you can leverage your "wealthy Westerner" status and the local girls are open to meeting men during the day.

You're being too hard on yourself. About 1/3 of the girls you approached gave you numbers. You got 7 numbers in 5 hours. So far only 3 texted you back, but who knows if some stragglers will get back to you later. Work those numbers, and get back to us in a week. You'll probably have a few meetups.

You are right that there is a 'creeper' stereotype and girls are apprehensive about strangers.

For example, I know enough about the people, the universities, and the nuances of my locale that I can have extended conversations about them. Having this type of knowledge really helps in building familiarity. If I talk long enough the chances are me and the girl have been to same places and noticed the same things. It all helps build the vibe that you guys aren't really strangers at all.

Post: #113

(09-11-2012 03:15 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  Posted this on another thread but it's worth reiterating here.

Yesterday was the first day of lectures at the local college campus. I approached 20 girls in 5 hours. Got 7 numbers. Only 3 texted me back.

IMO day game in the US is a huge time sink. There are far more efficient ways to get laid - bars and clubs, social circles, online. Why? These are the "socially approved" channels of meeting people, at least in the US.

The guys who've made day game work target a specific niche of girls - tourists/foreign girls. Foreign girls who are new to the country don't have established social circles, and tourist girls are just looking to have fun. Some guys like Krauser travel to poorer Eastern European countries where they can leverage their status as wealthy Englishmen, and where the girls have less "stranger danger random creeper" paranoia (American women) and are far more amenable to meeting men on the streets.

I recall Krauser spent a month in SoCal and didn't get laid once. If a day game pro with a British accent like Krauser can't make day game work in the US, why waste your time?

For a people who pride themselves in being "independent", American girls are remarkably sheep-like in their conformity. There's too much "creeper" paranoia to make day game work in the US, and younger girls are increasingly insular and tethered Facebook social circles.

The solution is to either either target foreign/tourist girls exclusively, or day game in a country where you can leverage your "wealthy Westerner" status and the local girls are open to meeting men during the day.

For sure all of this is right.Daygame works much better on tourist and immigrant women.With daygame you have a chance on beautiful women.Otherwise only the connected guys get them.(many are connected simply by having plenty of relatives).It is better to have one shot than to have no shot at all especially if your shot is a bazooka one compared to the connected guy pistol.
When I visited America I did not notice any difficulty with day game apart from the fact that moving with public transportation is a huge DLV compared to Europe.People with average to high incomes do not take public transportation in the US.In some US cities also the centre is strange it is not a place to stroll like in European cities full of historical buildings squares atc where members of all social classes visit.In the US there is more separation of places and activities according to income in my opinion.

Post: #114

(09-11-2012 03:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-11-2012 03:15 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  Posted this on another thread but it's worth reiterating here.

Yesterday was the first day of lectures at the local college campus. I approached 20 girls in 5 hours. Got 7 numbers. Only 3 texted me back.

IMO day game in the US is a huge time sink. There are far more efficient ways to get laid - bars and clubs, social circles, online. Why? These are the "socially approved" channels of meeting people, at least in the US.

The guys who've made day game work target a specific niche of girls - tourists/foreign girls. Foreign girls who are new to the country don't have established social circles, and tourist girls are just looking to have fun. Some guys like Krauser travel to poorer Eastern European countries where they can leverage their status as wealthy Englishmen, and where the girls have less "stranger danger random creeper" paranoia (American women) and are far more amenable to meeting men on the streets.

I recall Krauser spent a month in SoCal and didn't get laid once. If a day game pro with a British accent like Krauser can't make day game work in the US, why waste your time?

For a people who pride themselves in being "independent", American girls are remarkably sheep-like in their conformity. There's too much "creeper" paranoia to make day game work in the US, and younger girls are increasingly insular and tethered Facebook social circles.

The solution is to either either target foreign/tourist girls exclusively, or day game in a country where you can leverage your "wealthy Westerner" status and the local girls are open to meeting men during the day.

I've shared similar sentiments for a long time. Day game is just too time intensive and is insanely difficult. Night game is still difficult, but feels so much easier in comparison for me.

I wish I could find a good day game niche to exploit, as girls in the day time tend to be much higher quality, but until then day game remains elusive to me.

Totally agree with you, my day game is usually weak here in Miami. I don't know if its the attitudes, the lack of eye contact or interest whatsoever, the curt responses to harmless openers, for whatever reason I just don't run well daygaming in Miami. NYC is a whole nother ball game. I can run my errands on weekends, go for a run in central park, grab lunch, and literally collect 5-6 numbers throughout a day from attractive women. Poosy Paradise.

Post: #115

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Totally agree with you, my day game is usually weak here in Miami. I don't know if its the attitudes, the lack of eye contact or interest whatsoever, the curt responses to harmless openers, for whatever reason I just don't run well daygaming in Miami.
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Try the food truck called Cafe Portofino at 21st Street and the beach. Tons of talent flocks there, especially during this time of year. If that doesn't work, direct approaches on the beach are always a smart move. I always try to find girls who are alone on the beach. Unfortunately, for the past year, girls alone on Miami Beach have been pretty scarce. In that case, I always look for groups of two. There are enough groups of two on the beach year round, many of whom are tourists and don't have the bitch shields which are all too common among Miami locals.

Post: #116

Totally agree with you, my day game is usually weak here in Miami. I don't know if its the attitudes, the lack of eye contact or interest whatsoever, the curt responses to harmless openers, for whatever reason I just don't run well daygaming in Miami.
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Try the food truck called Cafe Portofino at 21st Street and the beach. Tons of talent flocks there, especially during this time of year. If that doesn't work, direct approaches on the beach are always a smart move. I always try to find girls who are alone on the beach. Unfortunately, for the past year, girls alone on Miami Beach have been pretty scarce. In that case, I always look for groups of two. There are enough groups of two on the beach year round, many of whom are tourists and don't have the bitch shields which are all too common among Miami locals.
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21st and collins? Never day gamed on sobe for some reason, my daygame is limited to the pool at my building, the mall, stores, or trolling brickell. Definitely should venture out there considering my physique is pretty solid right now. Anywhere without bitch shields i'm all over it. What area of sobe do you recommend? Ie: between which color lifeguard towers? I prefer to avoid the gay area for obvious reasons.

Post: #117

rationalize_this:
I was referring to a food truck which is actually on the beach itself. It is in the sand on 21st street and is therefore not on Collins. You can order some food like fruit salad, tacos, or french fries and sit at one of the tables by the food truck. The girls usually come up and order food or drinks and sit at one of the tables. There is an Argentine guy who works in the food truck almost every day. You may want to give him your number so he can call you in case there is a day with unusually good talent. He might not be that generous though. I usually stick to the area from 5th Street to 25th Street. I never stay in one place unless I am at that food truck. Staying in one place is a formula for failure. The girls obviously aren't going to approach you. I don't know offhand where the gay area is. It is such a small portion of the beach that I don't pay attention to it. Logistics are bad for the beach if you live in Brickell, but many of the girls are tourists, most of whom are staying in hotels on the beach. Logistics could be much worse if you think about it.

Post: #118

(09-12-2012 03:03 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  rationalize_this:
I was referring to a food truck which is actually on the beach itself. It is in the sand on 21st street and is therefore not on Collins. You can order some food like fruit salad, tacos, or french fries and sit at one of the tables by the food truck. The girls usually come up and order food or drinks and sit at one of the tables. There is an Argentine guy who works in the food truck almost every day. You may want to give him your number so he can call you in case there is a day with unusually good talent. He might not be that generous though. I usually stick to the area from 5th Street to 25th Street. I never stay in one place unless I am at that food truck. Staying in one place is a formula for failure. The girls obviously aren't going to approach you. I don't know offhand where the gay area is. It is such a small portion of the beach that I don't pay attention to it. Logistics are bad for the beach if you live in Brickell, but many of the girls are tourists, most of whom are staying in hotels on the beach. Logistics could be much worse if you think about it.

Logistics really aren't that bad, if its just a group of 2 girls you can usually swoop at their hotel room. And my place is really only 10-15 minutes from the W with no traffic. Definitely will check out that food truck. I've heard Bal Harbour shops have some decent talent during the weekend and there are a plethora of Russian/Eastern European women. I'm going to brooks bros. on saturday to pick up a few things and school my little brother on suits. I'll probably daygame there for a bit then check out the beach. Speaking of sobe nightgame, Wall on thursday night, if you're with 3-4 girls and its just you, or you and a wing, you can get in no prob, no cover, no bottle. NO JOKE, some of the hottest women i've seen in a while in a small concentrated space. If i didn't have a sure thing my eyes might have exploded.

Post: #119

(07-04-2012 12:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Day game is such a time sink, thanks for being real man.


And there is an emotional cost in doing hundreds of cold approaches. It's just draining to talk to so many women and put a sincere effort into seducing each one.

Jesus, yeah. I'm going to rep this one.

Post: #120

(07-04-2012 02:34 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  I used to approach game like a job. Put my hours in. It was emotionally draining. Rejection stung. I felt anxiety before approaching.

Now it's a joke to me.

After a while you reprogram you brain. You just stop feeling certain things.

Or at least that happened to me. Callused.

This is interesting and, for an oversensitive guy, an appealing idea.

What would you say were the three biggest things you did that helped you to be less reactive to disinterest from women?

What specific things did you do / think /say to yourself?

Thanks

Post: #121

I have never found day game to be emotionally draining.

For me, it's invigorating. It's like playing ball or working out or swimming or dancing.

I am challenging myself to be a stronger, more confident, less fearful man. The girls give me immediate feed back. I take this feedback and make adjustments to my game and come back the next day even better.

I think the biggest key is to NOT TAKE ANYTHING PERSONAL!!!

If a girl rejects you, she is not rejecting you as a person, she is only rejecting the version of you that you presented to her in that 5 minute interaction. She actually knows very little about you.

Getting emotional over girls rejecting you is super beta! It means that you need to change your perspective.

Take girls off the pedestal! They don't have the power to make you feel bad. It is you and your perspective that gives them that power. Behave as if you are superior to them. If they reject you, it's because of one of three reasons - 1. They are stupid - 2. They are a lesbian - 3. You have not yet learned how to properly present yourself to a woman.

If a girl rejects you, don't assume you have a problem. Assume that she does!!!

I think this is where the "dark triad" helps with game.

Narcissism - You have to love yourself so much that you would never let a woman effect your peace of mind. She is the one who is off, not you.

Machiavellianism - You are using girls for practice. You are using girls to learn how to bangother girls.

Psychopathy - You choose your frame and perspective! They are not rejecting you, they are teaching you how to bang other girls.

I'm not saying to be a evil person. I am saying to learn how to control your emotions, control your frame, and control your perspective!

So a girl rejects you, so what! She has helped you. She has taught you how to improve. She has given you an opportunity to learn how to love yourself no matter what.

If day game has a negative emotional effect on you, you need to change your perspective and get tougher! Emotional reactions are for girls!

Post: #122

Why would anyone daygame in a venue where it takes 5hrs to get 5 approaches?

For anyone in DC, just hang out on M Street in Georgetown on a sunny weekend day. You'll do 10 approaches/hr if you're not staying in-set.


I don't do enough daytime shit, I probably should do more.

Post: #123

(09-18-2012 01:53 PM)Prowl Wrote:  Why would anyone daygame in a venue where it takes 5hrs to get 5 approaches?

I agree. That is a waste of time. Thats why college campuses are the best. Thousands of targets. I can do 5 approaches in 30 minutes!

Post: #124

(09-18-2012 01:56 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 01:53 PM)Prowl Wrote:  Why would anyone daygame in a venue where it takes 5hrs to get 5 approaches?

I agree. That is a waste of time. Thats why college campuses are the best. Thousands of targets. I can do 5 approaches in 30 minutes!

Careful not to get a call from the campus police!
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Post: #125

(09-18-2012 01:56 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 01:53 PM)Prowl Wrote:  Why would anyone daygame in a venue where it takes 5hrs to get 5 approaches?

I agree. That is a waste of time. Thats why college campuses are the best. Thousands of targets. I can do 5 approaches in 30 minutes!

Just stating the obvious, but a large mall or a downtown area will also have lots and lots of girls... In terms of pure volume the best spot I've ever found was a mall with a subway station underneath it. New girls were constantly being pumped into one section of the bottom floor. Anyway, very curious as to where OP was approaching if it took an hour for each approach