Post: #51

Get caught and go to prison? If those are the stakes, I wouldn't be taken alive.

I would try to get to a country that doesn't have extradition treaties with the US (Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, Brazil etc) without confronting the authorities. But if a cop spotted me, it would either be I kill him or him kill me. I'm not a violent person, but there's no way I would go to prison.

Post: #52

(06-24-2012 07:03 AM)Roosh Wrote:  If I was able to get cash, I'd go to a rental car agency and get a car. After that I'd get rid of my cards and also my cell phone. Did you know that authorities can trace your phone even if it's turned off (http://www.thechicagosyndicate.com/2006/...y-fbi.html )? I'd ditch it completely.

At the first rest stop, I would shave my head and beard... at least look as different as I possibly can.

If I wasn't able to rent a car, it would be more difficult to get out of the city..

That's crazy how they can listen and trace you through your phone even if you have it off. I would leave the phone on and put it on a bus headed for some random place, and put the laptop on another train or vehicle that's headed far away if I could. That would buy you a lot of time and give the authorities a false lead or two.

Post: #53

Be very beta.

How many guys walk with strong posture and present an appearance that allows them to take notice?

You'd need to go full beta immediately. Head down. Shoulders slouching. Self-esteem low. This way no one notices you.

No confrontations with anyone. Do not do anything anti-social like smoking. Do not do anything that might piss someone off. If someone cuts in front of you in line, don't say shit.

Don't give a cop any reason to make a routine stop.

Maintain good hygiene. If you are stinky or poorly groomed, you'll get noticed. If you look homeless, a cop might stop you.

Years ago a guy escape to the woods. He survived for a while. He got busted because when a cop stopped him digging through trash cans. A routine stop is what lead to his arrest.

Do not trust no one.

Don't trust your friends to have your back. Even a well-meaning friend is going to shit bricks when a cop calls him to say, "Harboring or assisting a fugitive from the law is a felony."

Delete your Facebook immediately. There are too many different pictures of you. Yes, your Facebook can be recovered. But you need short-term gains.

Time is on your side.

Americans have short attention spans. People forget things easily. Tomorrow will bring another tragedy. Just lay low.

Don't bring the heat. If you panic and do something stupid, you lose. Just survive.

Time is not on your side.

You need to make money without being noticed. El mech has the right idea. Seduce a fat woman.

How many times have you seen a fat woman stand behind her man, no matter what?

Show up at a bar. Make conversation. Tell her you just moved there and are getting back on your feet. She won't ask too many questions.

Also consider "gay for pay." If there's a local gay bar, find a nice gentleman. Be careful, though.

Gay professional men are the ones who can help a "sugar baby." They are also the ones most likely to have seen your picture on the news.

Post: #54

(06-25-2012 03:13 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Also consider "gay for pay." If there's a local gay bar, find a nice gentleman. Be careful, though.

Gay professional men are the ones who can help a "sugar baby." They are also the ones most likely to have seen your picture on the news.

   

Post: #55

^^ LOL, his post was solid up till that jump the shark moment there.

Post: #56

(06-25-2012 03:26 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  ^^ LOL, his post was solid up till that jump the shark moment there.

I was going to say the same thing as Mike he's spot on with the using the gay dudes. I wouldn't fuck them but I would find one that looks like me and steal his id, passport and cash. You gotta do what you gotta do and who's the most venerable? Dudes looking to get laid. Look how many girls take shit from us. It's the same. Gay dudes love paying for shit to get some ass

Post: #57

Unless you're affiliated, you will get raped at Riker's Island.

I'm can take care of myself and yet you what I can do if four guys (who have "trained" as a team to rape) pin me down? Nothing.

If the difference between going to lock-up is me being "manly" or me getting cash from a gay dude...Choice is easy one to make.

You can grimace or whatever, but it's real talk. Prison is a fucked up place - moreso if you're a white dude.

Post: #58

So wait...

You're suggesting allowing yourself to be anally taken as a means of evading capture so as not to be anally taken?

Post: #59

(06-25-2012 12:30 PM)cool Wrote:  Get caught and go to prison? If those are the stakes, I wouldn't be taken alive.

After you got used to prison, you'd think death was a worse fate. Why do you think everyone on death row enters endless appeals to get their sentence overturned? They don't want to die. As much as prison sucks, to a prisoner it's better than being dead.

I once read an interview with a prisoner talking about what it's like. He says eventually you get used to it. You adjust. Your get into a routine. You get up, have some coffee, breakfast, go work out. Some prisoners have jobs in prison too. Some have alcohol and drugs and sex(even with females). Read Roosh's post today about happiness. What he says is true, your brain starts to adjust. A shitty situation stops seeming so shitty after awhile and just starts to seem normal. I'm convinced that some dudes are even happy in prison. They get out and can't wait to go back because prison life is all they know. Behind bars, they might have respect, 3 free meals a day, free health care, a gym, and get to play basketball. Outside, you actually have real responsibilities if you want to survive.

Post: #60

(06-25-2012 04:40 PM)Kitsune Wrote:  So wait...

You're suggesting allowing yourself to be anally taken as a means of evading capture so as not to be anally taken?

75% of gay men are bottoms.

Gay men are betas, too. They want to rub your body and buy you shit.

Flirting with a gay guy or even letting one give you a BJ (that's what most want to do) is far different than having your face based on the ground and being wolf packed by 4 or more guys.

Plus, in prison, once you're raped...You're gonna get raped again.

People gotta do what they gotta do to survive. "Beneath my dignity" quickly becomes a moving standard.

Post: #61

I carry everything I need on my person to enable me to carry on as if nothing had happened. Enough gold for international airfare and a few months of expenses, walking around money, many methods to withdraw cash not tied to my identity with plenty of liquid assets available, all information needed to run portable businesses. Plus I keep several backup stashes of cash that I can either physically access or have trusted others access for me.

One reason I do this is because women can go nuts at any time with no warning and try to ruin you. In order to live a life free from their threats, I need the security of many backup plans, so that it's very difficult to fuck with me.

Post: #62

(06-25-2012 04:56 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 04:40 PM)Kitsune Wrote:  So wait...

You're suggesting allowing yourself to be anally taken as a means of evading capture so as not to be anally taken?

75% of gay men are bottoms.

Gay men are betas, too. They want to rub your body and buy you shit.

Flirting with a gay guy or even letting one give you a BJ (that's what most want to do) is far different than having your face based on the ground and being wolf packed by 4 or more guys.

Plus, in prison, once you're raped...You're gonna get raped again.

People gotta do what they gotta do to survive. "Beneath my dignity" quickly becomes a moving standard.

I think black and Hispanic guys have it easier walking into prison rapewise.
White dudes have to deal with some other shit and depends on what you're in for then you have to deal with some real crazy fucks for protection or else. My buddy was in Rikers for a while for beating on a Orthodox jew and his wife on the street and he said he got his ass beat everyday and he's a pretty tough dude. Needless to say he doesn't lose bar fights here even when weapons are involved.

Anyway, if you're doing crime make sure you know what's going to happen to you when you go to jail. They have prison forums just like this one

Post: #63

There's a good show called I Almost Got Away With It that y'all will like.

Post: #64

Getting out of the country should not really be that hard if you have a 2nd passport.

If you dont have one, I recommend you get one.

Post: #65

Does anyone have any authoritative knowledge on prison rape? I've heard different versions. One is the MikeCF version, where, if you're not down with some clique, you're a target and are going to get beaten, extorted, raped, whatever by a group of dudes. The other version, the one I've heard from dudes who've been up is that everybody gets tested at first and you're likely to catch a beat down, but if you're willing to fight you'll earn some respect and people will eventually leave you alone.

I'm sure it varies from facility to facility and for different dudes, but it would be nice to hear from anyone with firsthand or even secondhand knowledge.

Post: #66

(06-26-2012 05:52 AM)houston Wrote:  There's a good show called I Almost Got Away With It that y'all will like.

I linked this show's page above. Good show for this kind of stuff. It's also on Netflix, if you have an account.

Post: #67

(06-26-2012 11:04 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  Getting out of the country should not really be that hard if you have a 2nd passport.

Please elaborate.

Post: #68

(06-26-2012 11:04 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  Getting out of the country should not really be that hard if you have a 2nd passport.

If you dont have one, I recommend you get one.

Do you mean another copy of your current passport, a passport from another country, or a fake passport altogether?

Post: #69

(06-25-2012 04:36 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Unless you're affiliated, you will get raped at Riker's Island.

You said the same thing about prison in CA. I think you're overestimating the amount of butthex happening.

On topic, I'd try and rent a shitty room somewhere off the beaten path for cash. Hole up inside for a month reading and putting together a plan while the heat dies down, then skip town.

Post: #70

(06-26-2012 12:47 PM)j r Wrote:  Does anyone have any authoritative knowledge on prison rape? I've heard different versions. One is the MikeCF version, where, if you're not down with some clique, you're a target and are going to get beaten, extorted, raped, whatever by a group of dudes. The other version, the one I've heard from dudes who've been up is that everybody gets tested at first and you're likely to catch a beat down, but if you're willing to fight you'll earn some respect and people will eventually leave you alone.

I'm sure it varies from facility to facility and for different dudes, but it would be nice to hear from anyone with firsthand or even secondhand knowledge.

If you were raped, what story would you tell?

"Yeah, I got pinned down by a rape squad."

"A guy stepped to me on my first day. I passed the test. I kept my head down, so no one messed with me after that."

Post: #71

(06-26-2012 01:34 PM)Chapped3rdEye Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 04:36 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  Unless you're affiliated, you will get raped at Riker's Island.

You said the same thing about prison in CA. I think you're overestimating the amount of butthex happening.

What do you base that on?

Post: #72

(06-26-2012 12:55 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(06-26-2012 11:04 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  Getting out of the country should not really be that hard if you have a 2nd passport.

Please elaborate.

Second passports are only useful if they have a different name and date of birth than you own because when you are wanted for a crime the first thing that gets flagged is your name and DOB. This is why true to the Game career criminals have multiple alises and ID's.

if you get alternative ID,Don't EVER contact anybody from your old life, have a trade that you can do with your hands, stay in a place than you can blend in and keep a low profile I don't see how you going are going to be caught even if you stay in the States.

Post: #73

Immediate concern is to change your appearance anyway you can. Clothes, shaving, even pull a move from the movie from "The Fugitive" and dye your hair. After that, your concern is getting out of Manhattan first- then NYC in general. Odds are you'll only be on the local news, once your out of NYC your odds of being recognized by an average passerby/beat cop go down significantly. Its hard to get anywhere without money however. You can't hire a cab, you can't take a train, you can't pay for boat fare... You can however, walk.

The bridges into Brooklyn aren't monitored if you want to walk out of Manhattan. You can also walk into the Bronx/Washington Heights from Manhattan. I'm not sure if you can walk out of the city, into Jersey, on the George Washington- but you can get into Connecticut/Upper New York from there. I would probably stick in the outer bouroughs until I could scrounge up some cash though- get some cash and take public transport to another big city where you're just another person. Drifters/homeless aren't welcome in suburbia- and trying to walk anywhere without money is going to be difficult and suspecious. Would probably wait until the "heat" on my search died down; even if its a murder its only a matter of time before the next murders come along and you're forgotten. Once that happens- buy a bus ticket out of the city.

Escaping is easy if you have money. The real challenge is if you're broke and you can't use your credit cards- can't go home, cops are already after you. Coming up with an escape plan is much more difficult given those circumstances.
Escape is doable- with money, so really the real question is- how would you get money to make your escape if you had zero dollars and couldn't use your bank/credit cards?

Post: #74

I know someone who lost their ID and is having trouble getting it replaced due to not having the right paperwork available. Based on his experience, it is very hard to get by without ID. You need it for everything nowadays.

However, he did just get a bus ticket by using a secret answer to be able to pick up the ticket.

In this scenario, I am assuming an NYC resident would have some money in the bank, and could max out their credit cards with cash advances, so they should be able to raise $3-5000 in cash. Given this, you could buy any gear you need at a Walmart, if you don't already have a go bag.

You could buy an untraceable prepaid MasterCard or Visa and put part of your cash on it, so you could pay for things online when needed. Likewise you can get a phone with a phone card and it would be untraceable.

So, you could get cash, travel gear, usable credit card, phone, and bus ticket. However, you could not rent a car or a hotel without ID.
You could wash up in a bathroom with a washcloth and a bar of soap. Truckstops sometimes have showers, and so do gyms, but I think you'd need ID to get a temporary pass at a gym, and the truckstop might not be accessible if you don't have a car.

You'd want to get to Mexico as fast as possible by bus, but possibly lay low a few days first as mentioned. It might be hard to lay low in NYC due to the expense and the difficulty of finding shelter without using ID. I would not trust friends, unless you explicitly have that level of trust. You can't know how they will react when an apparently credible source says you are a murderer.

Once you realize you're headed to mexico, you'd want to start cramming to learn Spanish (and then Portuguese) . You'd have a couple of days on the bus ride to think of a cover story and detailed fake back story, then use them in Mexico to make your way to Brazil.

I agree that seducing fat girls would be helpful. I don't recommend MikeCF's plan for becoming a gay gigalo!

Post: #75

How about having a stash of cash (mayby 5K-10K) hidden somewhere like at a bus station locker or in some building you can easily access?