Post: #1

When was your first red-pill life experience?

Mine was when I found out my friend was seethingly jealous of my cousin's ability to get a girlfriend, keep her, then break it off and make it look pretty easy, despite my friend getting oneitis and striking out with that girl earlier.

I had no idea during the time, I only found out a week ago when I had an offhanded chat with my friend's main confidant. To give you an idea of how fucked up it is that I had no idea, I hung out with both of those guys easily 15-20 hours a week for months and I thought they were cool. Had no fucking idea of my friend's anger issues and don't have a plan for what to do when I move back.

The hell is up with these player haters?

Post: #2

When being a dick to a girl who rejected me in college caused her to seek me out more.

Post: #3

I had to read David D, but for the first three years I made little headway. Good stuff didn't happen until I started to talk to girls over my shoulder and let them chase me. That was just mystery.

Post: #4

In retrospect, I had many red pill moments as a young one, but none of them really had an effect on me. The first time that I really internalized a lesson was one night I had in my early 20s. I was just chilling in one of my local bars, reading a book and having a glass. This chick rolls in and sits next to me at the bar. She knows the bartender, as do I, and starts talking about some boring date she was just on. She starts complaining about how this guy felt like he was owed sex just cause he bought dinner.

I had no game at that point, but for some reason was playing it real laid back. She dug it and I ended up back at her place, smashin' it. I still had a long way to go, but that was the first time I really started to question the conventional dating wisdom.

Post: #5

Lots of moments, but the biggest one was breaking up with a girl 3-4 notches hotter than I was simply because I couldn't stand being chained down and constantly called 24/7. Also, taking a trip outside the USA did some serious damage as I realize this is not the country for me long-term.

Post: #6

Discovered David D in High School. Thought it was some kind of scam or joke, so I never took it seriously. Read it for the laughs. Fast forward a couple years. I was in a longterm relationship. I did everything for my gf at the time, was nice, caring, paid for everything, attentive, devoted, and she ended up cheating on me. In a threesome with her best friend. Didn't find out for months. Felt like a fool and an idiot.

Searched about things on the internet for awhile, and I found Bang. This was in 2010. Haven't looked back since. Will never go back to the way I was. Much happier now as a result.

Post: #7

I was always looking to wrangle pussy, but had an idea that I'd eventually find my soulmate.

Then, I ended up banging a girl from my highschool who I'd developed a crush on several years after we graduated. I don't know what it was that made her decide to bone me after all those years. Anyway, I was obsessed with her, but she wouldn't be monogamous with me because she committed to being "single." (slut)

It took me a while to wrap my mind around the concept of being pro-actively single and happy; there is so much in our culture that teaches the opposite.

In an attempt to understand and relate to her better, and I made a huge effort to go out and bang more girls.

Soon after, I met a friend who also liked to go out and try to get girls. We got into a discussion about why some dudes get more pussy than others, and he kept mentioning this thing, "Game." Eventually, he sent me a link to Citizen Renegade.

I soon became obsessed with Game.

Post: #8

First year college, got rejected by a 5'0ft fat ugly broad that i was trying to OCCUPY for my buddy (wasn't one bit interested in her) so that he can talk freely with her hot friend that he wanted.

After that i started realizing the fucked up attitudes of virtually every girl in Toronto, even the ugly fatties, so i started developing sort of a "hate" towards the opposite sex (IN TORONTO ONLY) back then, and THAT misogynist vibe actually helped A LOT and still does!

Post: #9

I have noticed that most players were done wrong by Girls at one point which was the tipping point to seek and find ......Red Pill for me Came 2-3 years after being an active student of the Game.......

I always wanted to get better at attracting women and wanted to find out on a scientifc level what triggers them, strated with the book " The Game" found Roosh on Google and met some awsome RVF members, Spent a day with Roosh also but I wasn't seeing the Game working until one day .......

While out on a date I started flirting with other Girls a bar as my date was giving me Dry/boring vibe and Boom, she whispers in my ear " She hasn't had Sex in 6 Months", we were banging in the next 15 min.

Next Red pill moment was when a girl gave mother of an LMR for 3 hrs and I tried everything in the book and Literally told her to leave the room and strarted packing as I had a early flight ( I seriously lost interst in her and didn't want me near her ever ) , she comes back hugs me, trips me to bed and we were banging in minutes.

Post: #10

A damn good friend of mine (RIP) would pull a new chick every couple of days from ages 14-18. His phone and Facebook were loaded with messages from girls announcing their love to him, and he would just laugh at them while fucking another one. I analyzed this shit, and began to understand it a little, but didn't have my own personal red pill moment until my sophomore year in high school.

I strung this girl along for two months, and the whole time she would beg to give me blow jobs and sex (I knew almost NO game theories at the time). Spent those two months actively indulging, and then threw her to the curb. Fast forward to a few months ago, and I discovered this forum after losing my instincts and several chances at women who, in retrospect, showed obvious interest.

Post: #11

(06-08-2012 12:32 PM)Nessy Wrote:  A damn good friend of mine (RIP) would pull a new chick every couple of days from ages 14-18. His phone and Facebook were loaded with messages from girls announcing their love to him, and he would just laugh at them while fucking another one. I analyzed this shit, and began to understand it a little, but didn't have my own personal red pill moment until my sophomore year in high school.

I strung this girl along for two months, and the whole time she would beg to give me blow jobs and sex (I knew almost NO game theories at the time). Spent those two months actively indulging, and then threw her to the curb. Fast forward to a few months ago, and I discovered this forum after losing my instincts and several chances at women who, in retrospect, showed obvious interest.

Can you tell us more about your friend's game?

Post: #12

back in the day I was a hopeless romantic beta... quoting khalil gibran, sending flowers to the office, all types of really sappy shit. two relationships in my early twenties. both were I got dumped...and then slowly having the epiphany that the less I cared, the less I did, the more aggressive I was, the more I didn't give a shit and not just acted like I didn't give a shit. the better I did.

other red pills

the epiphany that their isn't a "one"

life as a transient experience - Eckhart Tolle (being present in the Now)

an unhappy marriage can be a jail sentence.

watching a divorce and someone close get raped by the punitive legal system against men

TOM LEYKIS _ G MANIFESTO _ David D'Angelo _ Roosh

i focused and continue to focus on travel, health, money and developing my intellect

it's been absolutely wonderful. it keeps getting better and better.

Post: #13

Looks like David D had some red pill moments for several of us...add another one to the mix.

My roommate started reading David D, I glanced at it and thought it was a joke. It said to smell a girl's hair while you are in the room with her, I thought it was laughable. After one of my ex's cheated on me in '04, I went through a 2 year phase of just banging anything and getting hammered. Early '06, I was on a 3-month dry streak and nothing was working. I'd been trying forever to bang this one 19yo I met off of myspace and could never do it.

I listened to the entire David D thing and the thing that resonated with me the most was the concept of "creating my own reality." So I tried it on the next date with the 19yo - I would just answer whatever questions I wanted and literally just do whatever the hell I wanted on the date. Then I banged her. Then I banged another girl I wanted to get by doing the same thing (then she ended up being my LTR for 4+ years). But that was my Red Pill moment if you will, although I dropped out of the game once again during the LTR.

Post: #14

I always had tons of female friends, pretty much only female friends. I kinda thought they were into me, but was just doing my own thang at that time, wasn't too worried about getting dat azz. (why not I have no idea). Anyways I had a few gfs through highschool, I was still always surrounded by girls but still didn't give a fuck. The hottest girl in school would talk to me and I'd listen for a minute or two and just walk away saying I had class. She asked me recently why I was a dick to her. I never realized it.

ANYWAYS. I had sex come university, didn't really feel it. Got dumped by that girl. Started banging that other girl after she had to get drunk and pounce on me because I wouldn't make a move. We were FWB for a bit, I banged this other girl during that time, made out with a few others. Then I was in a LTR with the FWB, it was more a status thing for her. One day she dumps me.

I'm starting to realize that girls are into me and capitalize. I bang at least one girl from all of my groups of friends. Come summer time I think to myself. "there has to be a more efficient way of doing this" I stumbled upon askmen, read some articles and thought "this is kinda weird" then I saw some "alpha/beta" article, googled that stuff and found roissy. I've been slaying pussy ever since.

Post: #15

In college I lacked ruthlessness. I passed on some certified bangs, in part because it was chick that I really wasn't that attracted to, even though they were cute ENOUGH. I passed on another because we were decent friends, and if I hit and then treated her like a friend the next day, there would have been drama. I kicked myself for not fucking ALL of them for a while afterwards. If I could go back with the knowledge I've gained after all these years, learning how chicks are and how they think, I would smash 'em all.

Post: #16

At a bar drinking with an insanely hot chick. I had quite a few drinks in me and I was into her and she was into me. I told her it was time to go. She said something like this "this pussy isn't going anywhere." My drunk beta ass said (way out of character for me at the time) "this pussy is mine and it'll go where I tell it to go." As soon as I said it, I began to regret it. Almost expecting to be slapped, my jaw dropped when she just melted before my eyes and said " I love it when a man acts like a man." A few minutes later, I slid my hands under her skirt. Those panties were soaked.

Post: #17

Landing in a foreign country for a vacation not at all expecting anything as far as women were concerned and then discovering that:

1. All the women were incredibly feminine
2. none were fat
3. all - or most were well above US average
4. none had bitch shields
5. women that would be models or video girls if they were in the US were a dime a dozen - literally.

at that moment it was over for me and I could never take an American woman nor much of what "society" teaches seriously ever again.

Post: #18

I'm starting to realize as time goes on fewer and fewer of my friends are suited for the red pill lifestyle. Sure they like banging chicks, but they're NOT willing to:

Go out dolo
Cut back on drinking and not get sloppy
Do cold approaches without friends backing them up
Daygame
Work out hard/Eat healthy consistently
Read for conversation fodder
Escalate aggresively
Be upfront about telling a chick to ditch her friends so they can have time together
Set up logistics
Punish a girl/go cold for bad behavior


Glad I haven't shown any of them the forum, since they would either argue with the advice or be afraid to use it. Kinda depressing when I realize that there are probably 2 or 3 of my friends that I would actually show the forum to: who would take the wisdom to heart and be willing to give wisdom in return.

Post: #19

I got in pretty good shape at the end of high school and had started to do pretty well with girls by just not giving a fuck, then at the end of college I got into a 3yr LTR and gradually turned pretty beta and eventually got dumped. I was pretty bad for a while and couldn't figure out how I use to do so well, just stuck on beta and didn't even realize it. Then my brother gave me that book by Eckhart Tolle which helped snap me out of my depression, then The Game. Reading through that and constantly recognizing shit similar to what I use to do and say without thinking, that was my Red Pill moment. I've been going deeper into the Rabbet Hole ever since

Post: #20

When a good looking woman treated me like a king, when I treated her like shit.

Post: #21

I got tired of getting friend-zoned.

Post: #22

I saw a family member receive jailtime after his wife bruised herself and claimed he beat her repeatedly. It was fucked up because this dude was a really good father and he kept getting a bad wrap because he didn't take his wifes shit. I saw how his life was ruined, in terms of job prospects and the court regulating when he could see his children.

Post: #23

Lots of things for me. Seeing some of my friends pull decent tail while being total dicks to women, not giving a shit about girls I didn't find attractive and seeing them getting into me because of it, reading some of Tucker Max's stuff, all sorts of shit. I kind of always knew that "bad boys" that don't give a fuck and talk smooth get women, but, for some reason, never actually realised I could be that smooth talking bad ass that fucks any woman he wants.

Post: #24

There were lots of signs along the way, some I internalized, others took years. Once I stopped giving a shit about my first girlfriend, I'd start being a dick to her thinking that she'd break up with me. I started out smalltime, saying shit like, "Thanks for the blowjob, cockbreath" and she thought it was hilarious. It still took years after that to really get it, I'd say it's been a gradual thing. At one point I was engaged, and my ex and I were walking back to our apartment with some groceries. I don't know what it was, probably some bitter resentment coming out, but when we go to our door I threw the groceries down, spilling them, got in the apartment, and locked her out. She too thought this was hilarious and wanted my dick more than ever.

The process has been seeing how much I can get away with, and observing that this acheives better results and increases a girl's attraction.

Post: #25

My red pill moment came in 2010; but I didn't actually swallow the red pill until 3 months ago. All my life, I have the uber beta showering girls with compliments, writing them 4 page letters back to back, writing them poetry, and the like. I would never get the girls I like. It was a couple instances where I would luck myself into some pussy; but never could kill like dreamed off. For the most part, girls would always be fake and lead me on. They would say they like me and have to see where things go. I would always wait; but nothing would ever happen. I wouldn't even get any pity pussy. So in the summer of 2010, I was trying to talk to this girl at my job. (I didn't no any better at the time) I asked another female co-worker to put in a good word for me. (Again...I didn't no any better at the time.) Well, the girl was telling how the girl I want was wanting me and she liked me. Me and the girl talked on the phone for 6 hours the first time. (Again...I didn't no any better at the time)

Like that week, she kept making excuse for us to go out which pretty much happened the whole summer. She went from talking to me, complimenting me on how well I dressed, and smiling at me to not really having anything to say. This gradually happened and I was waiting for her. The female co-worker was like she liked me; but give her time so I did. Then the girl ending hooking up with this real immature ass dude at the job over me while I also so her telling some dude on online how she couldn't wait to see him. So there I was on a friday night, lying in my bed being upset and thinking about some bitch who wasn't thinking about me. I wasted a whole fucking summer on her. This was usually how it happened with me and girls. I would pursue and wait for them; but never try to talk to anyone else.

I said I'm tired of this bullshit. I did a google search for best clubs to go to in DC.(Yes, I live in this hellhole.) and Roosh's post about best bars to go to came up. I went to his site and saw the ad for Bang and then the whole 30 day money back guarantee. I thought it was just some guy who was trying to take money from chumps until I was reading more post on his site. I decided to buy Bang. I read it and said OH MY GOD!!! This is the shit. Roosh is the fucking truth. It was better than that other PUA shit I have read. Reading Bang help me with that don't give a fuck about these bitches mentality. This is when I got the red pill and put it in my mouth; but I never swallowed it.

I went on some dates and took bitches to dinner with hope for some pussy. I didn't act too needy; but I definitely was still letting the girls know that I wanted them. Now, fast forward to this year, I had started reading the forum and reading guy's experiences. I had just read Bang and the posts on Roosh's site. Reading what other guys went through and how they have changed for the better really helped. Then, I came across Patrice O'Neal's radio show he had called The Black Phillip show where he talked about girls and their bullshit. Discovering this show was amazing. It really helped me to see women's bullshit. The show and this forum and swift kick to the nuts I needed. The two piece by a heavy weight champion. Coming across Tom Leykis also helped as well. I have now swallowed the red pill which I did 4 months ago and I have not turned back. I still have some approach anxiety; but it's a go away less and less the more I think about how these bitches and shit out here. Not fucking one of them. They all ain't shit and you have to check their bullshit and not give a fuck if they leave. That's main thing I needed to learn...Not to give a fuck if they leave!!! I am now slowly but surely on my way to be a slaying machine who could give a fuck about these bitches unless they are opening wide. With that said, I know this post was long as shit; but I had to express how I came to taking the red pill when it come to these women and how it was hand downs...the best thing I had ever done in life. I am not turning back.