Post: #276

I lived like 3 blocks from the Downtown Inn in CM last year. Every time I would walk by it I wanted to warn the people staying there, but figured it would be detrimental to my personal well being. An article I read said it has been demolished, but while I was there it was still operational. This was about a year ago, after all of the "coincidental" deaths.

Post: #277

Ya man a lot of the girls there are hookers. To be perfectly honest, if I am at an after hours club, I almost always make it clear the night before I do not pay for sex (not always bluntly though) - and sometimes bring back questionable semi pros on those terms. What typically happened is at some point the girl asked me if I have a girlfriend and I then act like I am looking for one -although it was not really true (if i found a super high-quality girl I would potentially date her while in bkk) and kinda beta it moves the frame away from paid sex and shows I am looking for something else - and that she should be too.

Then if I was still worried she was working and wanted money out of me (honestly I did this with most girls from after-hours places), that night I would typically transition the conversation to a story that made it clear I would not be paying. One story I used was about my last girlfriend being a gold-digger and I would joke that she should not expect a lot of presents (she would typically say she is not high maintenance and other bullshit to qualify herself) - this worked well for me because most thai girls would ask why I did not have a girlfriend. Another common thing I would say is I had bad experience dating thai girls who were greedy/too interested in my money and since I am young and lor I did not want to deal with it (like with the other story she would qualify herself as not wanting money). A few times when I was drunk, because I am young and look even younger (I look around 20), I would just joke around saying she should not expect a lot of gifts because I do not make a lot of money (she would typically ask how I pay for my condo in thong lor and I would say my parents pay for it) - I got lays the two times I used this line including once with a definite semi-pro but be careful as it could lower your value. Finally a few times when I was very drunk I bluntly said before she got into my condo she should not expect anything in the morning (this could definitely screw you over in some situations so I would avoid it - somehow I still got lays when I used this line).

Using these methods I hooked up with around 8 questionable semi-pros during my 40 days in Thailand and not once was asked for money in the morning. I typically offered them around 300 bht of taxi money in the morning and a few even refused to take it or said the taxi to get home is less expensive (I guess not all thai girls are scammers after all!). As an added bonus, I hooked up with a few of them off and on while there and they never asked me for presents either (unfortunately though a few got VERY clingy).

Shoring and dealing with semi-pros is definitely difficult but to be honest looking back probably 80% of the girls I had a ons with that I met that night at a club were questionable semi-pros (and two I am 99% sure were). Although this is not ideal, two of these girls in particular gave the best dome I got in my life and generally these girls seemed a lot better in bed. So if you are willing to put up with some bullshit and have a good safe in your room I do not know if I would entirely discount it.

Post: #278

I don't think it is worth the potential hassle dealing with girls like that. You run the risk of dealing with bullshit in the morning like Soma had to (and I've had to). Thinking about it I actually had two situations where I'd made it clear the night before that I didn't pay for sex and then was asked for money in the morning.

Post: #279

(06-18-2012 05:29 PM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  I don't think it is worth the potential hassle dealing with girls like that. You run the risk of dealing with bullshit in the morning like Soma had to (and I've had to). Thinking about it I actually had two situations where I'd made it clear the night before that I didn't pay for sex and then was asked for money in the morning.

Ya maybe I just got lucky - 8 is not a large sample size. I just think it is crazy that if you told them the night before you do not pay money, that they would ask for it in the morning (maybe a small amount of cab money would be fine). How did you tell them the night before? When they asked for money how did they ask? Did they use any justification at all for asking?

Too be honest in a case where you make it clear that you won't be paying before they get there, then I wouldn't deal with the bull shit and say I told you last night I did not have money and kick them out. All I know is that the best two girls I had in bed from Thailand were questionable semi-pros (one I am positive is) and it was definitely a nice break to hook up with girls who knew what they were doing in bed (most girls I met on thai friendly were not very good despite their good looks - most were 18-23 for reference).

What I did find though is that the questionable semi-pro girls did try to foster a relationship with me (asking me to hang out all the time, asking where I was, etc. - I was even booty called a few times) so maybe if you are willing to give off the vibe that you are considering them for dating potential you have a better chance of them not asking for money in the morning.

Post: #280

Quote: How did you tell them the night before? When they asked for money how did they ask? Did they use any justification at all for asking?

One girl actually asked for it when we first got back to the hotel after the club despite the fact that in the club I said to her "if you're looking for a guy to give you money for sex, go find someone else I don't pay for sex or sleep with prostitutes". She had told me she wasn't a bar girl / pro and didn't do that, made up lies about what she did for work. At the hotel just before sex she said "no money, no honey" so I told her to leave my hotel there and then, she went crazy, shouting and screaming that she was leaving and made her way to the door. I didn't try and stop her and told her she could go. When she realised I didn't care if she went or not she stopped shouting and said she was only joking and she'd stay and didn't want money it was just a joke. I should have kicked her out but didn't and fucked her. Then in the morning again she asked for money for sex, I refused and told her we talked about this many times last night and you knew I wouldn't pay you so you get nothing. She asked for taxi money so I asked her out how much taxi would be (I just wanted rid of her without any more drama) and she said 1000B. I laughed out loud and said "where's the taxi going, Chiang Mai?" and said she was getting nothing of the sort. Her ID was at reception and I had to go get it with her, once there she asked for more money and when I refused she shouted and screamed again. I threw a couple hundred baht at her and told her to fuck off.

The other one was similar thing. Made it clear if they were pro and wanted cash I wasn't the man to be talking to, go look elsewhere. They said no I don't do that and I like you, no money. Then in the morning asked for money, when I said no they asked for taxi money instead and again asked for 1000B which is crazy for a taxi. I flat out refused and gave them nothing.

The normal girls I took home in Thailand never asked for taxi money, not even the ones who never stuck their hands in their pocket all night to pay for drinks or food on dates so I wasn't paying a lying pros taxi. Their strategy is stupid, why not just go pick up a guy who is willing to pay for them, the after hours clubs are packed with them. Everyone else in there is more than happy to pay for sex.

Quote:Too be honest in a case where you make it clear that you won't be paying before they get there, then I wouldn't deal with the bull shit and say I didn't have money and kick them out. All I know is that the best two girls I had in bed from Thailand were questionable semi-pros (one I am positive is) and it was definitely a nice break to hook up with girls who knew what they were doing in bed (most girls I met on thai friendly were not very good despite their good looks - most were 18-23 for reference).

Yeah it makes sense that the bar girls and pros will have more experience. The normal girls definitely aren't having sex that much. I gave a Thai girl her first ever orgasm (multiple orgasms at that) and she had no idea what was going on. She asked me why her body was shaking and wouldn't stop. A few I asked to give me a blowjob had no idea what that meant. Some would be weird about doing any positions other than missionary. With a bit of sweet talking they'd all oblige though.

Quote:What I did find though is that the questionable semi-pro girls did try to foster a relationship with me (asking me to hang out all the time, asking where I was, etc. - I was even booty called a few times) so maybe if you are willing to give off the vibe that you are considering them for dating potential you have a better chance of them not asking for money in the morning.

It's not my style to lie about looking for a girlfriend. I made it quite clear to all the girls I met in Thailand that I wasn't looking for one and if they asked if I was seeing any other girls I told them I was. If they asked how many Thai girls I'd slept with I'd make a semi jokey comment that it was a lot without giving them a specific number. Maybe it would avoid that drama with the pros but my dealings with them were limited and because of the conversation I'd had with them the night before I didn't even think I would be getting asked for money.

Post: #281

[quote]Yeah it makes sense that the bar girls and pros will have more experience. The normal girls definitely aren't having sex that much. I gave a Thai girl her first ever orgasm (multiple orgasms at that) and she had no idea what was going on. She asked me why her body was shaking and wouldn't stop. A few I asked to give me a blowjob had no idea what that meant. Some would be weird about doing any positions other than missionary. With a bit of sweet talking they'd all oblige though.[/quote]

When I said semi-pros I did not mean bar girls/ strictly pros. I meant girls that had lower paying jobs like secretarys/work at the mall/hotel etc. that sleep with westerners on the side for some extra $. I suppose it is possible though that they were lying to me and did not have another job - although I would ask them where they work, when they work, what they do, etc. to weed out the liars.

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It's not my style to lie about looking for a girlfriend. I made it quite clear to all the girls I met in Thailand that I wasn't looking for one and if they asked if I was seeing any other girls I told them I was. If they asked how many Thai girls I'd slept with I'd make a semi jokey comment that it was a lot without giving them a specific number. Maybe it would avoid that drama with the pros but my dealings with them were limited and because of the conversation I'd had with them the night before I didn't even think I would be getting asked for money.
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Ya at the beginning I did not really like lying either. But to be honest once I realized I had to lie and say I had moved to thailand and lived there / worked there (otherwise success with girls there will be incredibly difficult) it was not difficult to say I was also looking for a girlfriend (I didn't say it in a definitive way either - more like I was not opposed to finding a girlfriend). Especially since it was more of a twisting of the truth than a lie, if I found a 10 with a good personality in thailand I would have likely dated her while there. I also admitted to girls in a joking manner that I was seeing other girls, so I did not lie about that.

I think that is the big key difference here. The girls in my case probably did not ask for money because they wanted to potentially try and get a relationship out of it and they knew I would never talk to them again if they asked for money. In your case they had nothing to lose since it was just about sex from the beginning.

Post: #282

Quote:When I said semi-pros I did not mean bar girls/ strictly pros. I meant girls that had lower paying jobs like secretarys/work at the mall/hotel etc. that sleep with westerners on the side for some extra $. I suppose it is possible though that they were lying to me and did not have another job - although I would ask them where they work, when they work, what they do, etc. to weed out the liars.

Yeah I came across girls like this too, they told me they had office jobs or worked at hotels and could answer any question you asked about it but I knew they were definitely pros. I could never work out if the story was just so well rehearsed that they could recite the answers in their sleep or if they did the whoring on the side.

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Post: #283

My report:

Pipelining

I used ThaiLoveLinks as I seemed to get me a lot of traction there.

You really can use any opener - almost 80% of girls that were online in the last 24 hours responded to my message. Most gave me their LINE ID in the next message.

It wasn't easy to set up dates during the week - most girls were busy at work. Friday/Saturday/Sunday is when most dates happened.

All TLL girls had great bodies without exception but were a bit reclusive and some were a little psychotic. Maybe they had experience with previous RVF members

Girls were a bit flakey but given their set intentions nothing bad.

The meaning of a date

Surprising for me - for all girls going out on a 'date' means having sex. I was a little surprised that many girls weren't ready to meet for coffee but I later understood that they implied that the time for sex would be too short.

In fact every girl was expecting to have sex with me 45-60 minutes into the date. During my first date I screwed it up ordering another drink and trying to kiss her in the venue. There usually is no venue change needed, just bring her to your room with an excuse (my phone needs to charge, I'm out of cash etc). Every girl will follow you to your room. I really did not expect that!

Kissing in public is a no-no so there are less of the obvious signals compared to the US. I should have read this thread more

Daygame

I chose Terminal21 food court for daygame and liked it more than other Siam malls. Fewer foreigners and great talent. There are a number of hotels next door where you can close the deal instantly.

I'm usually very picky with girls but the area around Terminal 21 and the BTS station is one of the few places in the world where you can stand for hours and have half a dozen girls walk by every minute (!) that you want to bang. It's amazing. It's mostly 6-8's. I had an instabang from the mall (2 hours after approaching) and a long list of numbers/ dates.

The girls were without exception VERY interested talking to me. They are almost begging for your opener. I have not seen that before. I got the phone number from every girl without fail - married, engaged, boyfriended, single - no matter what. In fact I think you could even approach girls with their bf standing besides her and get the number (and likely a bang!).

English

English proficiency varies a lot and it's a good idea to keep things very simple until you realize how much she understands. Some ThaiLoveLinks girls pretended to speak much less English than they really did - not sure what strategy that was for.

With so many dates coming along I did not bother visiting a club at all.

If you are into Asian girls (yes I'm!) Bangkok is great. The girls aren't the smartest but there are just sooo many pretty girls you can run huge numbers game here. It's also great fun to not run game 'against a wall' like in many places but to get 'instant social life' as a poster described it earlier.