Post: #26

(04-16-2012 01:38 AM)redacted Wrote:  Another question for the guys who've been in the game a while -

Have you ever heard a man say "I should have gotten married and settled down in my 20s"?

Have you ever heard a man say "I should NOT have gotten married and settled down in my 20s?"

Heard both. I've most guys that got married young, wish they didn't because they ended up divorced. Young marriage, young divorce. Common.

I've heard one friend say he should have gotten married young because there are not a lot of good girls the older you get.

Post: #27

Back when, I was getting laid regularly, with undeveloped game. Now I get laid regulary with tight game.

Post: #28

(04-15-2012 10:52 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  My own experience is very different from what Mike describes. Back in the 90's me and a buddy would hit a different small town about every weekend and pull with little effort. We'd just sit and bullshit and the broads would gravitate in our direction. We were often asked if we were married because we paid no attention to them. I rarely have this happen anymore. They are too busy texting and taking pics of each other.

As has been mentioned previous, I think the biggest change is the 24/7 validation broads get these days from FB and always being accessible via text. Fucking texting fucks up shit all the time now. You definitely didn't have to worry about a "friend" texting asking wtf her slut friend went while you were dragging her back to your fuckpad, let alone the same friend asking 20 questions via text while I chat her up at the bar.

They didn't get validated by useless chodes daily on FB or POF/OKC. They got validated by getting fucked well by me.

Also, BCP (before cell phones) the broads didn't expect to be in constant contact as it wasn't nearly as easy to get someone on the phone. This matters more with broads you've already plowed, but is definitely a big factor. Missing her call was no big deal. Now, if you don't call her back it's like farting with her head under the covers.

In my opinion, there were more broads out back then than there are today. (My area anyway) Definitely fewer fatties.

Broads would tell me their friend was interested, setting up the kill. Haven't had that happen in YEARS.

In short, I miss the 90's. It was so much easier doing hit and runs back then.... I've never considered what I do to be game, but it sure worked like magic back then.

Edit- I always raw dogged back then and it was never an issue. Probably have a few kids running around....

Digital derealization--"The Goal of Capitalism is to reduce all human interaction to the cash nexus."

A tantalizing, ever-receding Future of Alphas is dangled in front of her via digital media. Wrapped in "it's just us" antisocial media like "facewhore friends" Not YOU.

She needs to know about Maroon Five, not YOU.

Spread the Millioniare Surfer Alpha's image across a million iPhones and keep her buying shoes. Not with YOU.

The Machine sees no monetization opportunities when you sit with your cell phones off talking to a girl.

The machine has unlimited funds and manpower. Good luck, Grasshopper.

Post: #29

(04-16-2012 04:07 AM)brianmark Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 01:38 AM)redacted Wrote:  Another question for the guys who've been in the game a while -

Have you ever heard a man say "I should have gotten married and settled down in my 20s"?

Have you ever heard a man say "I should NOT have gotten married and settled down in my 20s?"

Heard both. I've most guys that got married young, wish they didn't because they ended up divorced. Young marriage, young divorce. Common.

I've heard one friend say he should have gotten married young because there are not a lot of good girls the older you get.

I would have had to marry a subpar girl and the child support would have exhausted me. On the other hand my sex life has sucked for decades.

Now I'm in Poosy Paradise but I'm too old to easily get the 9-10's.

I don't know what would have worked better. I got to Poosy Paradise a little late; I think Roosh has taken the optimal approach, start a business where you can take advantage of First World wealth while living in PP. And get here before you're 40. That's why traditional career paths won't work, you'll retire too old if you save up all the money needed first.

But you've got to be disciplined and smart, Roosh got a STEM education before he said FTW.

Post: #30

Cool thread topic, however IMO, and no offense to OP, such topic depresses the hell outta me personally (a guy in his early 20s right now). As if i matured in the worst Era with all the social networking sites, internet phones, etc.

However, based on SpeakEasy's comment, it would seem to me that men in the 90s were super beta, which makes me wonder, if you had a time machine and took one of us RooshV players of this era back 12-15 years to the 90s, how do you think we would do with women?

Post: #31

Quote:if you had a time machine and took one of us RooshV players of this era back 12-15 years to the 90s, how do you think we would do with women?

Post: #32

(04-16-2012 07:09 AM)Perseus Wrote:  Cool thread topic, however IMO, and no offense to OP, such topic depresses the hell outta me personally (a guy in his early 20s right now). As if i matured in the worst Era with all the social networking sites, internet phones, etc.

However, based on SpeakEasy's comment, it would seem to me that men in the 90s were super beta, which makes me wonder, if you had a time machine and took one of us RooshV players of this era back 12-15 years to the 90s, how do you think we would do with women?

Just remember those beta dudes would have to call a girl on the phone and ask her out back then. There was no status stalking and online dating to hide behind. Most dudes couldn't make the call so they were done unless a friend told them a girl wanted to talk etc. It just made it way easy for aggressive guys.

My friends game when we were younger was just to follow groups of girls around the mall or at a concert. It was so stupid and I had to solo out but they still got laid because the girls would turn and look at them and eventually one of them would see one in the group she liked. Lame but try it now and see what happens.

Post: #33

Everything in here matches perfectly with the Ratio Factor's blog:


Fewer young women around today, who are sucking up tons of attention from dozens of suitors, not giving out sex or the time of day to anyone except the best of men.

Post: #34

(04-16-2012 07:29 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:if you had a time machine and took one of us RooshV players of this era back 12-15 years to the 90s, how do you think we would do with women?

I concur with Roosh. I don't know if it's the harsh Toronto environment but I don't value lizards the way I used to. I mean, I see one who looks real good, has her shyt packaged nicely and then when you get through to it, it's all falsehood and BS.
Take me back 15 years with this mentality (and discarded morals) and I would already be unravelling the logistics in banging another lizard even while I am still in stroke with the first reptile. It's easier to pump and dump these days. These lizards don't have the same values as the older generation. They fcuk as quickly as men.

Post: #35

(04-16-2012 11:47 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Everything in here matches perfectly with the Ratio Factor's blog:


Fewer young women around today, who are sucking up tons of attention from dozens of suitors, not giving out sex or the time of day to anyone except the best of men.

Exactly. I think the ratio factor in collusion with the digital attention whore culture is largely behind these changes.

@Perseus, I wasn't implying that men were more beta in the 90s, I'm just saying that women threw fewer barriers, the bar to entry was lower, there were less flakes and bullshit. I hate admitting this, but the number of IOIs I get from random women has gone down dramatically in the last 10 years. Even though I'm in better shape now, better groomed and better dressed than I was in my mid 20s. I don't even think it has to do with aging per say because many people guess my age to be late 20s even though I'm almost 36.

Question for you older cats(particularly the ones stuck in N. America), have you noticed a difference in random IOIs you receive now versus ten years ago?

Post: #36

Bad news: Things were more simple and straight forward 10 years ago. Today, gaming a girl requires a little more effort and imagination.

Good news: Being a slut is more acceptable today (thanks to feminism)

Post: #37

(04-16-2012 12:48 AM)deathtofatties Wrote:  Girls in SF are kinkier? Submissive? Really?

hahaha

You have no idea!

This city will blow your fucking mind!

(04-16-2012 12:08 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  Right after offering themselves as a "cum slut" or whipping post, they begin lecturing you about Feminist theory.

Sad and twisted.

Just for the record, I don't consider this to be "sad and twisted".

These girls are sick of being treated like little innocent princesses. It annoys them. They know its a fake reality. They don't feel "alive" in this fake worldview. They are taught to act like men but this contradicts their biology. They crave cock from a strong man. The want to embrace their inner-submissive-slut!

I think its a beautiful thing! And, a return to our natural gender roles.

After they get fucked, they might start talking some feminist shit, but I don't find that twisted either. They are essentially studying themselves, examining their own mind and beliefs. Trying to define modern sexuality, feminism, masculism, etc. They are just young girls exploring their sexual fantasies. Another beautiful thing!

In San Francisco, you are free explore the darkest corners of your mind. We all have them. Aren't we all motivated by our quest for vibrant pussy. Just like they are motivated by their quest for a strong cock. They are just learning about themselves and pushing the limits of their reality

It all makes sense to me, I grew up here.

We don't want to masturbate online to this shit. We want to live it!

Post: #38

(04-16-2012 12:59 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Good news: Being a slut is more acceptable today (thanks to feminism)

This has nothing to do with feminism.


A much, much better explanation is the ratio imbalance between men and women: with more men, women can slut it up with zero repercussions, as thousands of thirsty dudes will gladly take a used up slut.


Remember: For most men, a used up skank is 1000x better than nothing at all!


Back in the 90's, 80's, 70's, etc. Being a good girl got her more mileage because the ratio's between men and women were more in the man's favor.

With the surplus of women, men could be choosy and avoid skanks. There would be more women to choose from.

But if the regular guy passes up a used up whore today, he'll be shit out of luck for perhaps the rest of the year.

Today's man will take anything.

Post: #39

(04-16-2012 10:38 PM)Samseau Wrote:  This has nothing to do with feminism.

I thought a big part of feminsm was "sexual liberation" and stuff like that. Women wanted to be free to have casual sex just like men? Remember "The Slut-Walk" and all that stuff?

I could be mistaken. Honestly, I really don't know what feminism is and I don't care.

My new thing is promoting MASCULISM.

Post: #40

A big part in today's promiscuity is simply logistics, of women being able to go out with male escorts like they still have to do in Muslim countries.

Post: #41

I'm a guy that dated in the 90's, got married in 2000 and divorced in 2009..when I woke up it was like fucking rip van winkle. I have a very good handle on the dichotomy between the 90's and now, broken up by 10 years with the same woman.

I'm a natural more or less so take this for what it is worth.

by the time I was 24 in 2000, I had banged about 40 chicks from 1993-2000. This was in highschool college and young adult hood for me. But I did a commuter school, so no dorm room or frat/sorority fucking for me. It seemed then that even with 40 notches, the chicks were kinda hard to come by. Or at least, that they held the power. Thinking back on it though, I am proud of my game unaware self for what i did accomplish and I often have flashbacks to scenes through a game lens where I can see how girls were just presenting themselves to me and often times just throwing themselves at me. But I didnt even really realize it then, I was just like wow i'm getting laid.

Fast forward to 2009. Coming out of my marriage it seemed as though the world had changed. All of a sudden, I held all the power. Chicks were literally begging me to fuck them and to be with them. Please stay with me. I am better than her. Why wont you you be my boyfriend. No I won't let you break up with me.

The universe had been totally upended and I was in charge of my sexual destiny finally.

Of course, I started reading about game in 2008 and 2009 which totally helped but now I'm just a natural with tight game so its like shooting ducks in a barrel.

Where I live there just aren't 9's and 10's everywhere but there is a solid supply of 7's and 8's mostly due to quality genes, affluence and high levels of fitness and health. and these 7's and 8's are so easily bangable its not even a challenge. before I chose to go get with just one girl there were literally a handful of women wishing I would be with them.

so i dont know what to tell you. for me, its like the current environment couldnt be any easier, in fact i marveled at how easy it was versus my last experiences which were in the 90's and i had the direct comparison with nothing in between.

Post: #42

Another thing I remember was the caller id. I had a free standing one in between the phone and the wall jack. I would look at it after work and see who called which would mean almost 100% wanted to fuck that night or hang out. I would take a shower after work and go out in two stages. First run around paying bills and shopping while slamming beers in my car and smoking weed then around 8:30 or so I would go home and check it again. If you saw a girl calling multiple times she was DTF. I would work the unknown numbers first and plan meet-ups. If they didn't work out I would hit the pay-phones outside the bars to call back the girls who were calling me continuously if I couldn't pull which wasn't very often.

Before the strict DUI laws there was drunk sluts everywhere. Then the economy tanked and took a bunch more out of the scene.

Post: #43

(04-18-2012 09:48 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  Before the strict DUI laws there was drunk sluts everywhere. Then the economy tanked and took a bunch more out of the scene.

That's exactly what I have seen.

I'm sure it's location dependent to an extent, but there were a lot more people out and about in the saloons in the 90's than there are today in my area. Bars that were consistently standing room only are now struggling to survive.

Basically went from a target rich environment to hit or miss.

Post: #44

(04-18-2012 09:29 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  so i dont know what to tell you. for me, its like the current environment couldnt be any easier, in fact i marveled at how easy it was versus my last experiences which were in the 90's and i had the direct comparison with nothing in between.

What I think we may be seeing here are the rich getting richer.

As we all know, ratios are moving to favor women, and women are increasingly becoming economically dominant. The end result of these social and economic shifts will be fewer men for women to look up to, and fewer males on the whole who will be capable of satisfying their natural hypergamous instinct. New generations of men will either be increasingly a) pussified/betaized (as has been ongoing since the 70's) and therefore repulsive to women or b) economically marginalized (due to "mancession", women earning most of the degrees, etc) and unable to provide the type of lifestyle most women, even the more strident, careerist kind, would prefer if given the choice.

To keep it simple: the "Mr. Bigs" of the world women center their "Sex and the City" fantasies around are going to get harder to locate, even as ratios increasingly appear to favor women. This will make women unhappy, more so than they already are.

For the few men who have managed to avoid these two particular fates and kept up a decent career without becoming manginas, women in our current era are going to seem incredibly easy. They'll probably get easier in time as male pussification continues and average men lose more and more ground in education and employment.

This elite 10% or so of the male populace is going to have a field day because there simply will not be any competition left. These increasingly educated and affluent women are going to want men more educated and affluent than them (with some game to boot), and these dudes just aren't going to be around in numbers.

Women will go all out for the increasingly few who are left, while more and more men will become practically invisible to them. For that 80-90%, times will get increasingly rough. They'll be competing for leftovers, essentially, and struggling hard even for those.

Just a theory of mine, but I think it has legs.

If you want to see a preview of this future, check out the Black American community right now. All of this came to pass about 20-30 years ago for them. The rest of the country is about to follow them.

Post: #45

(04-17-2012 08:48 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 10:38 PM)Samseau Wrote:  This has nothing to do with feminism.

I thought a big part of feminsm was "sexual liberation" and stuff like that. Women wanted to be free to have casual sex just like men? Remember "The Slut-Walk" and all that stuff?

I could be mistaken. Honestly, I really don't know what feminism is and I don't care.

My new thing is promoting MASCULISM.

The idea that women weren't slutty before feminism is a big lie.

Post: #46

(04-18-2012 05:55 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 09:29 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  so i dont know what to tell you. for me, its like the current environment couldnt be any easier, in fact i marveled at how easy it was versus my last experiences which were in the 90's and i had the direct comparison with nothing in between.

What I think we may be seeing here are the rich getting richer.

As we all know, ratios are moving to favor women, and women are increasingly becoming economically dominant. The end result of these social and economic shifts will be fewer men for women to look up to, and fewer males on the whole who will be capable of satisfying their natural hypergamous instinct. New generations of men will either be increasingly a) pussified/betaized (as has been ongoing since the 70's) and therefore repulsive to women or b) economically marginalized (due to "mancession", women earning most of the degrees, etc) and unable to provide the type of lifestyle most women, even the more strident, careerist kind, would prefer if given the choice.

To keep it simple: the "Mr. Bigs" of the world women center their "Sex and the City" fantasies around are going to get harder to locate, even as ratios increasingly appear to favor women. This will make women unhappy, more so than they already are.

For the few men who have managed to avoid these two particular fates and kept up a decent career without becoming manginas, women in our current era are going to seem incredibly easy. They'll probably get easier in time as male pussification continues and average men lose more and more ground in education and employment.

This elite 10% or so of the male populace is going to have a field day because there simply will not be any competition left. These increasingly educated and affluent women are going to want men more educated and affluent than them (with some game to boot), and these dudes just aren't going to be around in numbers.

Women will go all out for the increasingly few who are left, while more and more men will become practically invisible to them. For that 80-90%, times will get increasingly rough. They'll be competing for leftovers, essentially, and struggling hard even for those.

Just a theory of mine, but I think it has legs.

If you want to see a preview of this future, check out the Black American community right now. All of this came to pass about 20-30 years ago for them. The rest of the country is about to follow them.

I mostly agree with you here on the wider society, but in the black community, plenty of sex is still going on. It's not like it's hard for an average black man to hook it up with an average black woman.

If I recall correctly black men outnumber black women. So there doesn't seem to be a woman shortage in the black community. What there is, is a quality woman shortage.

Too damn many of these:



And not enough of these:



If most black girls looked like the last chic I'd have no reason to even look at girls outside my race.

Post: #47

(04-18-2012 06:34 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I mostly agree with you here on the wider society, but in the black community, plenty of sex is still going on. It's not like it's hard for an average black man to hook it up with an average black woman.

If I recall correctly black men outnumber black women. So there doesn't seem to be a woman shortage in the black community. What there is, is a quality woman shortage.

I generally agree here. Our ratios are better than most, and our quality (due to the out of control obesity rate) is lower too. Overall, even in spite of the obesity, I think we're in a solid position. Quality black non-obese women probably still outnumber quality (no jail, educated, straight) black men by a decent amount.

The reason I say that black america may end up a preview for the rest of society is because of its status as a virtual matriarchy already. Women have dominated the major socio-economic indicators of well being among blacks for a long time, and other groups of women are beginning to repeat this. The "rich getting richer" gap I mentioned earlier already exists among blacks, and the black "Mr. Big" has already been seemingly unattainable for some time.

The few "eligible" black men that are left standing (ask any single, straight, white collar black dude with a six-figure income in a place like Atlanta) have a field day because, aside from athletes, drug dealers and entertainers (all of whom have serious downsides), the women just don't have many options to satisfy their hypergamy. They outdo the vast majority of their male peers, and men at their level (same degrees, similar or better jobs, etc) are just too rare (and sought after by other women). I'd contend that hispanic women, broadly speaking, have been in a similar position for a while as well (perhaps slightly better off).

White women have historically always been in a much better position than these aforementioned groups when it comes to the ability to land a Mr. Big of their own-they've had plenty of options. Now that they're increasingly muscling their own men out of college, beating them on the job market and increasingly out-earning them to boot (while, unsurprisingly yet somewhat ironically celebrating it all and campaigning for more), their choices are about to dip as well. Whether it gets as bad as it is for blacks now remains to be seen (I doubt it goes quite that far), but a big decline is imminent. They are going to have many fewer choices to satisfy their own hypergamy, less than they've historically been used to.

The next couple of decades are going to be very interesting...

Post: #48

FUCK this is depressing

Post: #49

(04-16-2012 01:38 AM)redacted Wrote:  Another question for the guys who've been in the game a while -

Have you ever heard a man say "I should have gotten married and settled down in my 20s"?

Have you ever heard a man say "I should NOT have gotten married and settled down in my 20s?"

To the first question, the answer is yes, many.

To the second question, the answer is no, never, not once.

Post: #50

Are you sure you haven't got the two swapped?

(04-18-2012 11:45 PM)DirkJohanson Wrote:  

(04-16-2012 01:38 AM)redacted Wrote:  Another question for the guys who've been in the game a while -

Have you ever heard a man say "I should have gotten married and settled down in my 20s"?

Have you ever heard a man say "I should NOT have gotten married and settled down in my 20s?"

To the first question, the answer is yes, many.

To the second question, the answer is no, never, not once.