Post: #26

Fellas....

I have to say that I don't have that problem and have not had any issues in YEARS.

1) I don't date broke/low-income chicks UNLESS she doesn't have that entitlement attitude (which she must display quick before I pass judgement on her for being broke) OR I meet her in another country because I won't be there long anyway.

2) I will pay for the first...and possibly 2nd date BUT I have a 2-week/3-visit (whichever comes first) deadline on banging so paying past a 2nd date probably won't happen.

3) Money is used for activities that BOTH of us will partake in. I don't pay bills, or hair-salon expenses or shoe expenses.

It is probably one of the reasons why my USA bangs are with women over 27 and my international bangs are with younger chicks.

Post: #27

El Mech is the best.

I have a few stories.

1. In my LTR the girl saw a tv commercial for these "fire and ice" condoms, she figures she should just buy them because I'm always bringing some over to her house. She buys a box along with some weird ass toy. We bang, the condoms were weird as hell and I said I don't like them. She starts bitching at me and tells me to pay the $30 or whatever she had to pay for the condoms/toys. I tell her shes acting stupid and the only way I would have paid her if I had asked her to pick some up for me implying I'd pay.

2. Girl owed me like 20 bucks. She invites me to dinner with some of her friends, I say only if she pays for my dinner (I remind her that she owes me $20) she agrees. We get there, I hand her the bill, she looks at me and starts yelling at me saying I should be paying for her. I remind her she owes me money, even her friends were looking at her funny.

3. I was at a bar with a girl and some of her friends, we were 'kind of' dating. Girls friends demand I buy the girl a drink because thats what a good guy will do. I bought a couple of shots, brang them over smiled and did both myself.


I did however have a girl refuse to let me pay for a date (weirdest thing I've ever encountered) she had said earlier that a guy always has to pay. She said it was too much like a date if I paid. I banged her a week later.

Post: #28

Everyone in this thread needs to MAN UP. A real man would pay!

Post: #29

(03-23-2012 06:09 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  I have an old credit card in my wallet that is on a closed account. I used it by accident once and it was declined. Not a problem. I always carry a few bills and other cards. I may have to use this next time a girl is being a bitch when she's out with me.

Pusscrook? That's a great idea. Simple yet effective. Damn haha I want to try this

Post: #30

(03-23-2012 07:09 PM)houston Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 06:09 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  I have an old credit card in my wallet that is on a closed account. I used it by accident once and it was declined. Not a problem. I always carry a few bills and other cards. I may have to use this next time a girl is being a bitch when she's out with me.

Pusscrook? That's a great idea. Simple yet effective. Damn haha I want to try this

Where the hell is Pusscrook? I haven't seen him around the threads lately? Did he shack up with some broad and abandon us?

Post: #31

(03-23-2012 03:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  J R: Did you seriously pay for her date? I would have "gone to the bathroom" and left her with the bill.

No. She paid with the cash that she had and I ended up chipping in an extra four bucks.

I'm not one of these guys who will never pay. In practice, I almost never do, but I would for a girl I knew was into me and not just hanging out for a free meal like some fucking hobo. You know, the way chicks dress these days coupled with their general deadbeat behavior, a lot of them basically are hobos.

(03-23-2012 02:43 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  I get the impression that she may have been open to a new fuck buddy that doesn't buy her dinner...

It's possible, but I was really just pissed off at her overall hobo-ness. Normally, I'm a trooper. To get the bang I'll push through all sorts of ridiculous behavior, logistical hurdles and last-minute resistance. That night, I was just disgusted on a whole new level.

Post: #32

(03-23-2012 06:17 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  I don't date broke/low-income chicks

You gotta keep in mind that most girls you actually want to fuck aren't qualified to do much in the job market. The money they make needs to get spent on them looking good.

Of course there are exceptions (I fucked my tax lawyer girl and doctors and nurses) but I find that the bulk of good looking girls are broke. There's more strippers living in trailers than penthouses.

Unless they are trust fund babies or well published models most really good looking girls are always short on cash.

Aloha!

Post: #33

I've got into a pattern of eating dominos or subway after a night out. I take cash but no cards so I don't overspend in clubs, but always end up not having enough for pizza/taxi home.

Never had a girl not pay in that situation, although I've only tried it on girls I've already fucked.

Post: #34

(03-23-2012 08:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 06:17 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  I don't date broke/low-income chicks

You gotta keep in mind that most girls you actually want to fuck aren't qualified to do much in the job market. The money they make needs to get spent on them looking good.

Of course there are exceptions (I fucked my tax lawyer girl and doctors and nurses) but I find that the bulk of good looking girls are broke. There's more strippers living in trailers than penthouses.

Unless they are trust fund babies or well published models most really good looking girls are always short on cash.

Aloha!

They are short on their own cash but since they always have an endless supply of simps to spend on them, they are never really broke, in essence.

Post: #35

WHAT? WHAT? I don't know about you guys but in Cyprus, girls feel ASHAMED if they don't buy something for the guy they are dating or going out with. I've had times when i was out with some friends and girls in a bar and when the bill came to the table, the girls rushed out their wallets furiously to pay for it because we guys paid for their drinks last time.

I don't believe what Tuthmosis says. It's just so outside my reality.....

Post: #36

Wow. I love the university game now. Some of the shit women pull is crazy. '10-'11 I was living off about a 1000 dollars a month. I was a full time student living off the GI Bill, drill pay, and work study. I stayed my my battle buddy's couch for two semesters. I was smashing students mostly so they knew but I went out 4 times a week so that shit really didnt fly at the bar/club scene. So I really couldn't do the dating thing. If you weren't smashin after the club then I didn't have time for you. The only "dates" I paid for were the tacos after the bar. The women down here are cool. Never had to check any of them and some wanted to pay. I love south Texas ha.

Post: #37

I pay for girls 99% of the time in E Europe. I know how much they make... it would be weird if I made them pay, but sometimes they insist to get me a drink or something.

The kicker is they NEVER suggest where to go. Not once has a girl said "I want to go to X restaurant" or "I want to go to dinner" or "I want to go to the club." For every time I take them to dinner, I can do a few "come over" dates. They really don't expect much.

What I noticed is that EE girls don't mind coming over to watch a movie. If anything, *I* have to drag them out. Most of them don't even like going to the bar or club. They're content snuggling next to their hairy American man. American girls seem to always want to go out somewhere.

Post: #38

(03-24-2012 07:46 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I pay for girls 99% of the time in E Europe. I know how much they make... it would be weird if I made them pay, but sometimes they insist to get me a drink or something.

The kicker is they NEVER suggest where to go. Not once has a girl said "I want to go to X restaurant" or "I want to go to dinner" or "I want to go to the club." For every time I take them to dinner, I can do a few "come over" dates. They really don't expect much.

What I noticed is that EE girls don't mind coming over to watch a movie. If anything, *I* have to drag them out. Most of them don't even like going to the bar or club. They're content snuggling next to their hairy American man. American girls seem to always want to go out somewhere.

It is my opinion that most of the game tactics are employed heavily on a regular basis in North American cities where lizards feel a strong sense of self entitlement. Men are supposed to do this, that and the other whereas they aren't supposed to do anything.

I found that if I engage with a lizard who is fresh from her home country (outside of North America), I am actually too guarded against her trying to 'simpisize' me instead of actually being naturally.

So I think all this women who don't like spending, largely applies to North America. Even England (unless it's changed since I left) had nowhere the amount of scheming that I have experienced here.

Post: #39

(03-23-2012 08:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 06:17 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  I don't date broke/low-income chicks

You gotta keep in mind that most girls you actually want to fuck aren't qualified to do much in the job market. The money they make needs to get spent on them looking good.

Of course there are exceptions (I fucked my tax lawyer girl and doctors and nurses) but I find that the bulk of good looking girls are broke. There's more strippers living in trailers than penthouses.

Unless they are trust fund babies or well published models most really good looking girls are always short on cash.

Aloha!

I totally understand that but "I" do not approach women with 100% of my decision based on her looks. To me, a "paid 8" beats a "broke 9". I approach women with a simple "optimization problem" in mind, I want to maximize getting a chick with good looks and minimize my time and money. Banging a 9 after I KNOW I put in money, time and effort does not satisfy me (usually after I bang and thought about it). I would always feel like "she won" because she got the time/money/effort.

I play to win.

Post: #40

(03-23-2012 08:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  There's more strippers living in trailers than penthouses.

and the rest live with their mom or dad

Post: #41

(03-24-2012 12:08 PM)babelfish669 Wrote:  

(03-23-2012 08:52 PM)Kona Wrote:  There's more strippers living in trailers than penthouses.

and the rest live with their mom or dad

I know one that lives with her mom in a retirement neighborhood

Post: #42

(03-23-2012 02:51 PM)2Birds_1Stone Wrote:  What really pisses me off is when bitches think they're entitled to behaving this way.

I was makin moves on a 6.5 who was in my drama class and this bitch would buy a coffee at DnD and look at me when she had to pay with that puppy face. I mean I know I suggested it but doesn't mean you pull that shit at the cash register. Then I realized how much of a pussy I had been around her. When I saw her around school interacting with other guys I realized I was the least beta dude she had ever met. So, I gave a her verbal abuse until I cut off ties indefinitely. Some bitches in the states just need to be put in their place.

What really pisses me off is that they DON'T think this is entitled behavior...they think it's just "what a man should do," putting out big investment without any real investment from the woman (except her rationalization that "my time is valuable in its own right.")

Then they don't find those guys attractive, and they're confused by the whole thing.

Post: #43

(03-24-2012 07:46 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I pay for girls 99% of the time in E Europe. I know how much they make... it would be weird if I made them pay, but sometimes they insist to get me a drink or something.

The kicker is they NEVER suggest where to go. Not once has a girl said "I want to go to X restaurant" or "I want to go to dinner" or "I want to go to the club." For every time I take them to dinner, I can do a few "come over" dates. They really don't expect much.

What I noticed is that EE girls don't mind coming over to watch a movie. If anything, *I* have to drag them out. Most of them don't even like going to the bar or club. They're content snuggling next to their hairy American man. American girls seem to always want to go out somewhere.

American girls, at least in the college-educated class I run in, tend to be stimulation addicts. Regular life bores them, which is partly an outcome of their over-comfortable upbringings and the surreal life of college with its constant influx of parties and new people to mingle with.

"The kicker is they NEVER suggest where to go. Not once has a girl said "I want to go to X restaurant" or "I want to go to dinner" or "I want to go to the club." For every time I take them to dinner, I can do a few "come over" dates. They really don't expect much. "

The moment I decided I had to break up with my last girlfriend was when I planned an evening out for our anniversary-plus-Valentine's-Day (to places with character I wanted to go to instead of cliched over-expensive restaurants), and she rejected it on the spot and demanded we go somewhere more "posh." I told her flatly I would assent to the re-deployment on condition we went dutch - she didn't get to order up what she wanted to do on my dime and time. She didn't like that.

Post: #44

(03-23-2012 06:03 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  I just remembered reading a pertinent post on Roosh's blog along these lines a while back. It's quite hilarious--which is why I remembered it--and reproduced in its entirety below.

Dude cracked the code on this problem years ago:

Roosh Wrote:My Hero
By Roosh

I was on the subway when the girl sitting right next to me began loudly telling a story to someone on the phone. I am unable to reproduce her hip hop slang so this is a paraphrase:

“You know how I don’t let any guy try to get with me right? I get their number and then throw it away. So I was about to get on the Metro and this guy starts talking to me. He seemed okay. He asks me if I’m hungry and want to grab something to eat, his treat. I figure why not, so I said yes.

“We go to a Mexican place and eat dinner. I’m a little nervous because I would hate if Chris found out I’m hanging out with some other guy like this. I just wanted the meal. The check comes, and get this shit: his card was declined. He leaves to the ATM across the street and comes up apologizing, saying he can’t pay the bill. I’m sooooo angry at this point. So I pay the whole thing—$26 and $2 tip. He tells me he wants to take me out again to make up for not having money. I tell him no and to consider this an early Christmas gift. This sucks because I can’t afford anything right now. I’m so upset.”

I looked the other way and put my hand over my face until I was done laughing. It’s bad enough she had a boyfriend and went out on a date with a guy she wanted to use for tacos con carne (yes, she was obese, morbidly), but why insult the help with a pathetic 7.7% tip? Two more dollars wouldn’t have killed her at that point. Yet sitting on my comfortable orange seat I was extremely proud to be the same gender of the man who gave this girl what she deserved. You know she’ll be stewing for weeks, maybe months. He changed her for the better of all men everywhere.

I got to wondering if he ran “declined card” game on purpose. After the massive social faux-pas of showing up on a date with $0, he knows that any girl who makes it to date two wants to get banged and doesn’t care about his (in)ability to pay. His cost per notch must be admirable. I may have to steal this technique if I ever get in dire straits, but instead of a date two I’ll just try to drag the girl back to my refrigerator box.

A woman who doesn't at least offer to cover her ice cream or a round of drinks goes automatically onto my sex-only ladder. At least have the courtesy to fake it and give me a chance to run my "don't worry about it. You can buy me a drink if it turns out you like my personality" game.

Post: #45

(03-23-2012 06:17 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  Fellas....

I have to say that I don't have that problem and have not had any issues in YEARS.

1) I don't date broke/low-income chicks UNLESS she doesn't have that entitlement attitude (which she must display quick before I pass judgement on her for being broke) OR I meet her in another country because I won't be there long anyway.

2) I will pay for the first...and possibly 2nd date BUT I have a 2-week/3-visit (whichever comes first) deadline on banging so paying past a 2nd date probably won't happen.

3) Money is used for activities that BOTH of us will partake in. I don't pay bills, or hair-salon expenses or shoe expenses.

It is probably one of the reasons why my USA bangs are with women over 27 and my international bangs are with younger chicks.

I find it totally wild how some women except guys to pay their rent, car payment, salon trips, etc. Not gifts or dates, but just life expenses. And they're massive shit tests the guys fail, you KNOW she's drying up every time she convinces her man to front for her lifestyle.

We can go back and forth on paying for dates (or going on dates period), but no guy should ever be paying life expenses for a woman he's not married to.

Post: #46

The best girl I've ever been with would on occasion split the check or (*gasp!*) even pay (she was an LTR), but sometimes I can't help but laugh that girls will so indiscriminately throw their money away on things designed to impress men like makeup, manicures, clothes and lingerie, but when the bill arrives and a chance emerges to impress a man beyond a superficial level (the type of thing that makes you think 'Wow, this girl is actually pretty cool!' instead of just 'She's attractive...good for her.'), the wallet goes into retirement for 95% of them.

It amazes me that girls haven't noticed that just because we'd happily fuck them, doesn't mean that we would commit to them, and the crucial factor in determining that we will commit to them is just as much about who she is as it is what she looks like.

I'm not saying, to a point, that a little grease is a bad thing; if I ask a girl out on a drink date, and she doesn't flake, and by the end of the night I think I can fuck her either right then or TBA near-future, I will pay, I have no problem throwing down $35 on a drink tab (since I'm not one of these suckers who takes girls on dinner dates before I bang them).

I have heard many stories, straight from the whore's mouth, of girls going out for dinner dates with guys that they had zero intention of fucking because she didn't want to turn down a free meal, and I concur with Mechanico; when I was 23 and in school and banging 19, 20 and 21 year olds, this was never an issue; as long as we went to the bar and on pub crawls (and I grabbed a few rounds), or she could come over to chill out and have a few drinks or tokes and get fucked, everything was hunky-dory, but now that I'm 28 and banging 19-24 year olds, nearly every girl expects me to fund the fun, and the fun better be some type of funded fun.

The biggest problem, though; is when a girl says 'Oh we should go here!' and then expects me to pay, or when she has her hand out for gifts; honey, unless you plan to pay, the only girls that are allowed to make plans [and only occasionally] are girlfriends. Unless you plan to get me a gift as well, the only girls who get gifts [and again, only occasionally] are girlfriends.

I once got into a huge tiff with a girl when I didn't want to take her for Dim Sum the next day because I had to take my grandmother grocery shopping. This girl was a 22 year old student who had her rent paid by her parents, her education comped by the government and in the eight weeks we were banging paid for nothing, thank god I only ever paid for the drinks.

Post: #47

singing dancing theme parks traveling fine dining shopping

About Me
Hi there my one true prince! My name is Rachel I am a 37 year old true princess looking for her prince! I am so tired of game players and users! I am looking for a sincere financally secure man! That will spoil and pamper me!! And will take me traveling!

First Date
I have always wanted to travel extensivly! My idea of a perfect first date would be to go out to a nice dinner olive garden prefered! Singing karoke dancing and packing our bags and going to a nice romantic beach somewhere romantic and beautiful! I also want a man that is genourous In every way!
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Post: #48

Her shirt says "You're just jealous cause the voices talk to me".

Post: #49

(03-24-2012 09:47 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  I am looking for a sincere financally secure man! That will spoil and pamper me!! And will take me traveling!

HAHAH.

Bitch doesn't seem to understand that proud men of all incomes, and even wealthy betas, aren't looking to "spoil" or "pamper" fat bitches who bring nothing to the table.

Post: #50

(03-24-2012 09:47 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  singing dancing theme parks traveling fine dining shopping

About Me
Hi there my one true prince! My name is Rachel I am a 37 year old true princess looking for her prince! I am so tired of game players and users! I am looking for a sincere financally secure man! That will spoil and pamper me!! And will take me traveling!

First Date
I have always wanted to travel extensivly! My idea of a perfect first date would be to go out to a nice dinner olive garden prefered! Singing karoke dancing and packing our bags and going to a nice romantic beach somewhere romantic and beautiful! I also want a man that is genourous In every way!

Wow...we're talking height of delusion with this one! First, she's FAT. She considers a nice dinner to be Olive Garden. She wants to be whisked away (the way she talks, I'm guessing she wants it to be on a private jet, because she's too fat to fit in a commercial airline seat) to an exotic locale. She wants a life of continuous wining and dining at age 37, nearing 200 lbs. All I can say about this chick is...I guess you have no chance of getting a guy or life like this if you don't ask. Good luck with that sweetie!