Post: #301

Deb: cockblocking is a serious problem here too. I get the number midway through the interaction because I know the block is coming.

I'm telling you that Industrial Shithole has guys with better game than Lvov. Some of the guys here are actually good... they know how to approach, talk, and escalate. I'm learning from a local guy now... his game is perfect for the women here and he has quite a few in his rotation.

I've gotten 7 numbers in the past few days. I think I got the early game part figured out, but now I will have to work out middle and late game. It's quite the process (like learning game all over again), but thanks to everyone here rapid progress is being made.

Post: #302

(04-06-2012 04:06 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  How much do they drink? Why cant they handle the booze I thought they were champs no?

Trust me, they can drink. I am no slouch when it comes to drinking but I remember a train trip in Russia from Moscow to Yoshkar-Ola a decade ago. Had this Russian guy in my compartment that decided to teach me how to drink Vodka Russian style. Basically do a shot and have a snack. The two of us went through five 500ml bottles of Vodka. Guy got off the train with me like he had drunk nothing. I was totally shitfaced. Remember drinking a beer called Baltika Nine there. Had a six pack of that at a nightclub and could barely stand. Stuff was 17% alcohol beer I discovered later

Post: #303

(04-08-2012 05:58 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Deb: cockblocking is a serious problem here too. I get the number midway through the interaction because I know the block is coming.

I'm telling you that Industrial Shithole has guys with better game than Lvov. Some of the guys here are actually good... they know how to approach, talk, and escalate. I'm learning from a local guy now... his game is perfect for the women here and he has quite a few in his rotation.

I've gotten 7 numbers in the past few days. I think I got the early game part figured out, but now I will have to work out middle and late game. It's quite the process (like learning game all over again), but thanks to everyone here rapid progress is being made.

For sure in Lvov you would do better than there.Lvov is much more europeanized and girls mentality more close to polish girls.You would not face so many adaptation issues.They also speak English in 30-40%.(elementary English)

Post: #304

Another country you would do well in my opinion is Czech Republic because the girls there are eccentric and very liberated.They are like polish girls without the submissiveness and low esteem and with some cool Germanic elements.(like honesty).They would not mind banging an American who came to write a book about which girls bang better they would actually find it funny.

The drawback in CR is that disco culture there is not so developed that is not all hot girls frequent discos.It is not like Poland where sexy girls who want to fuck visit the disco.In CR these girls visit mostly the pubs.

Post: #305

(04-07-2012 09:09 PM)Subotai Wrote:  Boris, are you picking "westernized" or "western interested" girls? There's a big difference. I found the sweet spot over there to be the "western interested" girls

Yes actually you're right... "Western interested" is probably what I ended up with. I was actually hunting Couchsurfing for people with similar music interests etc. I figured I could find a social circle to hang out with that way... I don't often travel alone tbh so it was a bit new to me... Still it worked very well in the end. If I do Ukraine properly I'm going to improve my daygame though, as I'm really not into the clubbing there at all...

Roosh, are you running day game at all? I see Deb writing about approaches in the street... Oh, and are all your initial openings in Russian now?

Keep up the good work...

Post: #306

Congrats Roosh. Seven numbers over a weekend is a good score. I hope you can pull off having a date with a different girl each night from Monday to Thursday...maybe will get a couple bangs out of that. Glad you are having success.

(04-08-2012 05:49 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Got both of their phone numbers, will text them today, I don't hold out any hope with either really, but it doesn't matter there is an endless stream of girls like them.

This is the correct mentality to have--there is an endless stream, however each girl might differ on the inside. We are constantly searching for the hottest girl, but maybe one of these 7s is best in terms of personality/intelligence/loyalty, etc.

BTW, thanks for the pictures. Some of us are stuck living as corporate slaves, and those pics help us live vicariously through you. Those girls are cute.

Post: #307

(04-08-2012 12:11 PM)The Duke Wrote:  Congrats Roosh. Seven numbers over a weekend is a good score. I hope you can pull off having a date with a different girl each night from Monday to Thursday...maybe will get a couple bangs out of that. Glad you are having success.

(04-08-2012 05:49 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Got both of their phone numbers, will text them today, I don't hold out any hope with either really, but it doesn't matter there is an endless stream of girls like them.

This is the correct mentality to have--there is an endless stream, however each girl might differ on the inside. We are constantly searching for the hottest girl, but maybe one of these 7s is best in terms of personality/intelligence/loyalty, etc.

BTW, thanks for the pictures. Some of us are stuck living as corporate slaves, and those pics help us live vicariously through you. Those girls are cute.

To be honest, I just want to bang hot girls here, i'm not that confident about finding a girl with LTR potential in Ukraine, I mean I have been here for ten months and only 2 have shown potential.

The hotter girls don't seem to be in the nightclubs here, which is why day game is so important, girls have to use the street here. And now it's springtime this is by far the best option.

I will returning to Serbia soon for a short while to escape Euro 2012. My game plan for Belgrade will be ignore, ignore, ignore. Serbian women are extremely hot but extremely stuck up too.

Look forward to providing some decent feedback.

I sent cute blonde a SMS today giving her my Vkontakte ID and suggesting we chat. This approach has never failed yet. We will be meeting some point next week

Post: #308

A lot of numbers you get in ukrainian discos flake later.I would never be based solely on night game.

Post: #309

(04-08-2012 05:58 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Deb: cockblocking is a serious problem here too. I get the number midway through the interaction because I know the block is coming.

I'm telling you that Industrial Shithole has guys with better game than Lvov. Some of the guys here are actually good... they know how to approach, talk, and escalate. I'm learning from a local guy now... his game is perfect for the women here and he has quite a few in his rotation.

I've gotten 7 numbers in the past few days. I think I got the early game part figured out, but now I will have to work out middle and late game. It's quite the process (like learning game all over again), but thanks to everyone here rapid progress is being made.

Yes, It was always going to be difficult with birthday girl, she was the centre of attention, and couldn't really leave the party to go home and fuck an older foreign dude.

Now Hen Nights are a different matter, Lvov goes wedding crazy when the weather is fair. People come from all over Ukraine to get married here. It's quite surreal to be walking around the city in a Saturday afternoon and see like 20 brides floating around.

The girls from out of town are prime target, they can be naughty without worrying who is watching.

I can imagine guys in industrial shithole have more going on, when they come to Lvov I sometimes think they must be from outside of Ukraine because they are dressed much better, look healthier, fitter. But I think I'm just so used to Lvov that I don't realise it's a big country and there are big differences wherever you go

Post: #310

(04-08-2012 01:03 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  A lot of numbers you get in ukrainian discos flake later.I would never be based solely on night game.

Yes I think flakers are more common from a nightclub than on the street. I usually go for the jugular when in a club, because I know the chances are that by tomorrow she can't be bothered to contact me, or I can't be bothered to contact her

Post: #311

I approach in English and only speak in Russian if necessary.

My day closes are not getting me anything.

I'm finding it's best to establish a "i want to fuck you" vibe early on, or else you can get LJBFed by her if she honestly thinks you want to learn russian from her. It's hard to do this with a day approach.

Post: #312

Say Roosh, how much are your living expenses in IS?

Post: #313

(04-08-2012 12:59 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 12:11 PM)The Duke Wrote:  Congrats Roosh. Seven numbers over a weekend is a good score. I hope you can pull off having a date with a different girl each night from Monday to Thursday...maybe will get a couple bangs out of that. Glad you are having success.

(04-08-2012 05:49 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  Got both of their phone numbers, will text them today, I don't hold out any hope with either really, but it doesn't matter there is an endless stream of girls like them.

This is the correct mentality to have--there is an endless stream, however each girl might differ on the inside. We are constantly searching for the hottest girl, but maybe one of these 7s is best in terms of personality/intelligence/loyalty, etc.

BTW, thanks for the pictures. Some of us are stuck living as corporate slaves, and those pics help us live vicariously through you. Those girls are cute.

To be honest, I just want to bang hot girls here, i'm not that confident about finding a girl with LTR potential in Ukraine, I mean I have been here for ten months and only 2 have shown potential.

The hotter girls don't seem to be in the nightclubs here, which is why day game is so important, girls have to use the street here. And now it's springtime this is by far the best option.

I will returning to Serbia soon for a short while to escape Euro 2012. My game plan for Belgrade will be ignore, ignore, ignore. Serbian women are extremely hot but extremely stuck up too.

Look forward to providing some decent feedback.

I sent cute blonde a SMS today giving her my Vkontakte ID and suggesting we chat. This approach has never failed yet. We will be meeting some point next week

Deb, having been to Serbia a few times I think you are a bit harsh on the local gals. Yes some of them are stuck up but I did have success in Belgrade with a provincial chick from Kragujevac.

Post: #314

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Deb, having been to Serbia a few times I think you are a bit harsh on the local gals. Yes some of them are stuck up but I did have success in Belgrade with a provincial chick from Kragujevac.

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Girls from outside of Belgrade are much better. After living in Belgrade for three years I was starting to become a woman hater. I was there for a month last summer, and that was considered my relaxation time away from women. I only slept with two girls and was very happy about that as I knew I would soon be returning to the pussy conveyor belt.

Post: #315

(04-08-2012 03:21 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I approach in English and only speak in Russian if necessary.

My day closes are not getting me anything.

I'm finding it's best to establish a "i want to fuck you" vibe early on, or else you can get LJBFed by her if she honestly thinks you want to learn russian from her. It's hard to do this with a day approach.

Day game pays off in Ukraine.Many good looking girls do not frequent clubs at all.In street you get way higher selection.It is a pity my voice has changed after the mthfck sleeper hold if I recover quickly I will come in full force to give a lesson to the local naughty chicks.

Post: #316

Alright this happened to me a couple times:

Get a girl on a date, start escalating with the touching, and then she says, "I don't want a sexual relationship right now. If you just want to meet and talk that's fine."

Correct move is to say "That's fine" and keep escalating, no?

Post: #317

(04-11-2012 05:05 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Alright this happened to me a couple times:

Get a girl on a date, start escalating with the touching, and then she says, "I don't want a sexual relationship right now. If you just want to meet and talk that's fine."

Correct move is to say "That's fine" and keep escalating, no?

No,Ukrainian girls mean what they say.Sometimes they may say I am not ready but it means they are working it on their minds they need more reasons to bang somebody who they do not know so well.(we always talk about province Kiev is a totally different ball game with understatements from the side of girls and quick fixes).

Post: #318

So when a girl says that just walk away?

Post: #319

(04-11-2012 05:05 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Alright this happened to me a couple times:

Get a girl on a date, start escalating with the touching, and then she says, "I don't want a sexual relationship right now. If you just want to meet and talk that's fine."

Correct move is to say "That's fine" and keep escalating, no?

Roosh, is this on the first date?

Post: #320

Yes.

Post: #321

(04-11-2012 05:49 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Yes.

If we are talking Ukraine, the average (this if based on my experience a long time ago and from others I know) was about 3 dates before putting out.

It may be not wanting to appear like a slut type of thing. When she wants to take a shower at your place your going to have a fun time that night.

Hard to tell since women will go out with men there just for sushi or bowling. If she doesn't come across a gold digger then try a few more dates. I wouldn't put any more effort beyond 3 dates.

I understand that is probably more dates then you want but may be something to test. When they are ready to sleep with you they will make it known.

Post: #322

(04-11-2012 05:17 PM)Roosh Wrote:  So when a girl says that just walk away?

Yes if you want quick bang or give her a present.

Post: #323

(04-11-2012 05:05 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Correct move is to say "That's fine" and keep escalating, no?

Where are you escalating? At your pad or in public? I usually would not escalate in public with a girl, except for the night I met her at the club. On dates, I would generally escalate once she was back at my pad. "Would you like to see where I live, it's right over there?"

To answer your question, I would say yes. Wait a while before trying again, but try again at least one more time. How many times you repeat your attempts depends on how things are going and how many opportune moments arise.

I think if you don't get at least kiss from a girl on a date, it's time to move on.

Post: #324

It does not matter where he is escalating.He just needs a larger bait.If not material the marriage one(although I seldom play the future groom angle).

Post: #325

(04-06-2012 03:55 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  I have had a lot of corpses here, I think a lot of the reason for that is that most of the girls I am seeing here are a maximum of 22 years old, and also this is the conservative part of the country.

This is true. Sex ed here in Ukraine has been almost non-existent outside Kiev. Even the girls older than 22 may know less than you about her own body, and when she tells you she never experienced that before, it may actually be true.

Quote:Also most girls here don't even get to cum a lot of the time, if the Ukrainian guy actually manages to ejaculate it will be over with very quickly as he hasn't the stamina to keep it going. The rest of the time he is too drunk to even penetrate the poor girl. I've had many complaints from girls regarding the sexual performance of their men.

This is true as well. If you fuck a local girl really good, she'll remember you for years, and a lot of them would be willing to meet you again if you're back there after a while. Remember, women is a commodity there, most local guys simply don't care about their pleasure at all.

Quote:Some of the girls are good though, tonight with this one young girl I have been seeing(mentioned her before), we did a bit of role play in which I played a burglar rapist.

I haven't met a single girl yet in my whole life who wouldn't like to try this scenario.